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Jade Dragoness	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:24:00 - [1] So, my corp decides that we want to head into a complex for some good old killin fun. We all hop in. The first one of our members who actually shows up in the complex (me) manages to land right in the middle of TWO blastoraxes and some small frigs and such which have already targeted me and are halfway through my armor by the time that the next frame (the one that lets me know I am actually in the complex) of the action happens. I of course immediatly try to leave ( aka I dont want to lose my ship) only to be told that my ship is out of control be EVE. Of course we all know what happens next... I am floating in my nice little happy pod. Now, I know that complexes are supposed to be hard that is what makes them soo much fun! But, I wonder, might they be a little better if you were not dropped right in the middle of all 400 ships, and maybe off to the side a little. What do you guys think? But besides that seriosly guys try some complexes, they are a TON of fun when you are not the first person to make it in
Jade Dragoness	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:24:00 - [2] So, my corp decides that we want to head into a complex for some good old killin fun. We all hop in. The first one of our members who actually shows up in the complex (me) manages to land right in the middle of TWO blastoraxes and some small frigs and such which have already targeted me and are halfway through my armor by the time that the next frame (the one that lets me know I am actually in the complex) of the action happens. I of course immediatly try to leave ( aka I dont want to lose my ship) only to be told that my ship is out of control be EVE. Of course we all know what happens next... I am floating in my nice little happy pod. Now, I know that complexes are supposed to be hard that is what makes them soo much fun! But, I wonder, might they be a little better if you were not dropped right in the middle of all 400 ships, and maybe off to the side a little. What do you guys think? But besides that seriosly guys try some complexes, they are a TON of fun when you are not the first person to make it in
Aion Amarra	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:27:00 - [3] What Complex did you enter? Difficulty rating? Usually rats dont spawn directly on your head, only a few ships do. However there are some guys luring them enarer to the entrance points. The rats don't return to their previos points but roam around freely then, resulting in some of em waiting right on the beacons. I agree. COmplexes are the fun. And they are good money, too.
Aion Amarra	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:27:00 - [4] What Complex did you enter? Difficulty rating? Usually rats dont spawn directly on your head, only a few ships do. However there are some guys luring them enarer to the entrance points. The rats don't return to their previos points but roam around freely then, resulting in some of em waiting right on the beacons. I agree. COmplexes are the fun. And they are good money, too.
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:32:00 - [5] Complex difficiulty needs to be tweaked. Good to be challenging, but I dont like the idea that a level 1 wtfpwns your frigate fleet, a level 2 wtfpwns your destroyer fleet, etc. I think best solution is to nerf all of the current ones, and add 5 new difficulty levels for uber-hard stuff. As a side note, Id like to see rats pulled away from all deadspace warp-in points, especially the agent missions. Its really screwing up a lot of peoples rigs, sure wtfpwning everything in sight with a cal is lame but at least you get to choose your ship/range, a lot of these deadspace things are forcing us to use blasterraxes (oh wait we cnat use MWD either ) or maller tank. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:32:00 - [6] Complex difficiulty needs to be tweaked. Good to be challenging, but I dont like the idea that a level 1 wtfpwns your frigate fleet, a level 2 wtfpwns your destroyer fleet, etc. I think best solution is to nerf all of the current ones, and add 5 new difficulty levels for uber-hard stuff. As a side note, Id like to see rats pulled away from all deadspace warp-in points, especially the agent missions. Its really screwing up a lot of peoples rigs, sure wtfpwning everything in sight with a cal is lame but at least you get to choose your ship/range, a lot of these deadspace things are forcing us to use blasterraxes (oh wait we cnat use MWD either ) or maller tank. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Harisdrop	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:41:00 - [7] I want the boss in an industrial with an industrial support fleet full of moon minerals. -------------------------- Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies
Harisdrop	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:41:00 - [8] I want the boss in an industrial with an industrial support fleet full of moon minerals. -------------------------- Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies
TekRa	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Del Narveux Complex difficiulty needs to be tweaked. Good to be challenging, but I dont like the idea that a level 1 wtfpwns your frigate fleet, a level 2 wtfpwns your destroyer fleet, etc. I think you might need to look at your fleet if you're being pwned in a lvl 1 or 2 complex. A few days ago I got to stage 3 of a 2/10 complex solo in a wolf, With one or two more frigs I'm sure I could have finished it, but solo it wasn't gonna happen. > With the lights out it's less dangerous.
TekRa	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Del Narveux Complex difficiulty needs to be tweaked. Good to be challenging, but I dont like the idea that a level 1 wtfpwns your frigate fleet, a level 2 wtfpwns your destroyer fleet, etc. I think you might need to look at your fleet if you're being pwned in a lvl 1 or 2 complex. A few days ago I got to stage 3 of a 2/10 complex solo in a wolf, With one or two more frigs I'm sure I could have finished it, but solo it wasn't gonna happen. > With the lights out it's less dangerous.
GeoNoSiS	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:44:00 - [11] I enterred a lvl4 serpentis complex, the first stage consisted of alot of frigs and some cruisers, Thoraxes and some other type. Now, i¦ve managed to clear the first stage an a vengeance and then i left, came bact the next day in a duramaller, and went in with 2 Thoraxes, a Moa and a Blackbird. We clear the first stage, OK.... Second stage has: LOTS of cruiser and frigs and a 2.5mil Megathron... I was the only survivor and had to warp out with the megathron in armor and some escort left. Was great fun ----------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world
GeoNoSiS	Posted - 2004.12.06 16:44:00 - [12] I enterred a lvl4 serpentis complex, the first stage consisted of alot of frigs and some cruisers, Thoraxes and some other type. Now, i¦ve managed to clear the first stage an a vengeance and then i left, came bact the next day in a duramaller, and went in with 2 Thoraxes, a Moa and a Blackbird. We clear the first stage, OK.... Second stage has: LOTS of cruiser and frigs and a 2.5mil Megathron... I was the only survivor and had to warp out with the megathron in armor and some escort left. Was great fun ----------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.12.06 17:22:00 - [13] Originally by: GeoNoSiS I enterred a lvl4 serpentis complex, the first stage consisted of alot of frigs and some cruisers, Thoraxes and some other type. Now, i¦ve managed to clear the first stage an a vengeance and then i left, came bact the next day in a duramaller, and went in with 2 Thoraxes, a Moa and a Blackbird. We clear the first stage, OK.... Second stage has: LOTS of cruiser and frigs and a 2.5mil Megathron... I was the only survivor and had to warp out with the megathron in armor and some escort left. Was great fun Sounds good where is that? " Stay Frosty "
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.12.06 17:22:00 - [14] Originally by: GeoNoSiS I enterred a lvl4 serpentis complex, the first stage consisted of alot of frigs and some cruisers, Thoraxes and some other type. Now, i¦ve managed to clear the first stage an a vengeance and then i left, came bact the next day in a duramaller, and went in with 2 Thoraxes, a Moa and a Blackbird. We clear the first stage, OK.... Second stage has: LOTS of cruiser and frigs and a 2.5mil Megathron... I was the only survivor and had to warp out with the megathron in armor and some escort left. Was great fun Sounds good where is that? " Stay Frosty "
Asid Rayne	Posted - 2004.12.06 17:41:00 - [15] No one metioned that there's new music! Nice surprise to warp in and hear a 'guitar' cranking up.
Asid Rayne	Posted - 2004.12.06 17:41:00 - [16] No one metioned that there's new music! Nice surprise to warp in and hear a 'guitar' cranking up.
Dewar Scrabulous	Posted - 2004.12.06 17:47:00 - [17] I was just barely able to solo a 2/10 complex (it was called Minmitar Contracted Bio-Farm or some such) in a punisher using all standard modules (no tech 2 or named.) It took some cunning and speed, but it is possible. I have yet to try a complex with my Thrasher. Anyone know what the minimum level complex a destroyer can enter is? -Dewar ---
Dewar Scrabulous	Posted - 2004.12.06 17:47:00 - [18] I was just barely able to solo a 2/10 complex (it was called Minmitar Contracted Bio-Farm or some such) in a punisher using all standard modules (no tech 2 or named.) It took some cunning and speed, but it is possible. I have yet to try a complex with my Thrasher. Anyone know what the minimum level complex a destroyer can enter is? -Dewar ---
belzebub1	Posted - 2004.12.06 17:53:00 - [19] I went into a lvl 3 rouge drone solo in a ceptor, Got to the last stage but had to warp out, Hoping to go abck with 2 ceptors to clear it out, Dont forget to visit Magma Index at the below Link. http://www.magmaindex.uni.cc/
belzebub1	Posted - 2004.12.06 17:53:00 - [20] I went into a lvl 3 rouge drone solo in a ceptor, Got to the last stage but had to warp out, Hoping to go abck with 2 ceptors to clear it out, Dont forget to visit Magma Index at the below Link. http://www.magmaindex.uni.cc/
Bozl1n	Posted - 2004.12.06 19:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Del Narveux Complex difficiulty needs to be tweaked. Good to be challenging, but I dont like the idea that a level 1 wtfpwns your frigate fleet, a level 2 wtfpwns your destroyer fleet, etc. I think best solution is to nerf all of the current ones, and add 5 new difficulty levels for uber-hard stuff. As a side note, Id like to see rats pulled away from all deadspace warp-in points, especially the agent missions. Its really screwing up a lot of peoples rigs, sure wtfpwning everything in sight with a cal is lame but at least you get to choose your ship/range, a lot of these deadspace things are forcing us to use blasterraxes (oh wait we cnat use MWD either ) or maller tank. No. Its about time somethin was actully hard. We lost about 5 bs last night clearing the first lvl of a 10/10, i wouldnt have it any other way, it was our first attempt, we learn from it n go back to maybe only lose 2 next time. U shouldnt be able to solo them, there a group activity, if u cant handle them, dont go in them http:/eve-coldfusion.com
Bozl1n	Posted - 2004.12.06 19:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Del Narveux Complex difficiulty needs to be tweaked. Good to be challenging, but I dont like the idea that a level 1 wtfpwns your frigate fleet, a level 2 wtfpwns your destroyer fleet, etc. I think best solution is to nerf all of the current ones, and add 5 new difficulty levels for uber-hard stuff. As a side note, Id like to see rats pulled away from all deadspace warp-in points, especially the agent missions. Its really screwing up a lot of peoples rigs, sure wtfpwning everything in sight with a cal is lame but at least you get to choose your ship/range, a lot of these deadspace things are forcing us to use blasterraxes (oh wait we cnat use MWD either ) or maller tank. No. Its about time somethin was actully hard. We lost about 5 bs last night clearing the first lvl of a 10/10, i wouldnt have it any other way, it was our first attempt, we learn from it n go back to maybe only lose 2 next time. U shouldnt be able to solo them, there a group activity, if u cant handle them, dont go in them http:/eve-coldfusion.com
RazorDreamz	Posted - 2004.12.06 19:51:00 - [23] The complexes are fine the way they are. Yes they can be hard sometimes but please, I've managed to clear lvl1 and 2 by myself in a frigate. And amost got a lvl3 the other day in a frigate too. My first time in a complex was a lvl6 and I was in a blackbird and got owned hardcore, but hey it was my first complex and now I know that a bb can't handle a lvl6 complex. We learn , we adapt. --------------------------------------- CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic m
RazorDreamz	Posted - 2004.12.06 19:51:00 - [24] The complexes are fine the way they are. Yes they can be hard sometimes but please, I've managed to clear lvl1 and 2 by myself in a frigate. And amost got a lvl3 the other day in a frigate too. My first time in a complex was a lvl6 and I was in a blackbird and got owned hardcore, but hey it was my first complex and now I know that a bb can't handle a lvl6 complex. We learn , we adapt. --------------------------------------- CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic m
Aion Amarra	Posted - 2004.12.06 19:54:00 - [25] 2 and 3 are pretty easy, maybe except the last stages of the lvl 3 ones. I dunno about the 1s, never tried. However, it's a LEAP in difficulty when you're trying a lvl 4 one. I'd advise you to take an inty pilot with you that orbits the BS and catches the fire/missiles. We went through one without losses, however that would ahve been different without that inty.
Aion Amarra	Posted - 2004.12.06 19:54:00 - [26] 2 and 3 are pretty easy, maybe except the last stages of the lvl 3 ones. I dunno about the 1s, never tried. However, it's a LEAP in difficulty when you're trying a lvl 4 one. I'd advise you to take an inty pilot with you that orbits the BS and catches the fire/missiles. We went through one without losses, however that would ahve been different without that inty.
Romulus Maximus	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:59:00 - [27] OK..maybe im confused here..but i have solo completed a 3/10 in a Crow..it was a drone type..are there 3/10 that are frigs and not drones or something ? I destroyed some platforms..got some Zyd and a Shadow Serpentis Armour Hardner..killed all drones etc in all sections..am i missing something..is there more to it ? As i tried a 4/10 in a Cara and had to warp out before i even locked a single target..i simply couldnt tank the dmg
Romulus Maximus	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:59:00 - [28] OK..maybe im confused here..but i have solo completed a 3/10 in a Crow..it was a drone type..are there 3/10 that are frigs and not drones or something ? I destroyed some platforms..got some Zyd and a Shadow Serpentis Armour Hardner..killed all drones etc in all sections..am i missing something..is there more to it ? As i tried a 4/10 in a Cara and had to warp out before i even locked a single target..i simply couldnt tank the dmg
Illuvitar	Posted - 2004.12.07 17:50:00 - [29] Edited by: Illuvitar on 07/12/2004 17:54:11 Am I the only one in EVE who can't enter a 2/10 complex with a Destroyer? I'm reading all over the forums that people are entering them in destroyers and finishing them with ease. On another note, I've entered two 2/10 complexes with my punisher and in one instance happened to find all the keys and made it to the 3rd stage solo with my punisher. Here's the kicker and why I think every complex is totally different from another of the same difficulty: The third stage of the 2/10 I entered had 500k ISK Drones firing Cruise missles at me. I haven't tried it since the new patch but has anyone else experienced this? 2004.11.30 01:56:29 combat Devastator Cruise Missile I belonging to Angel Cartel hits you, doing 327.6 damage. * Illuvitar stares in awe at the wall of Thruster wash quickly approaching. 2004.11.30 01:56:17 combat Devastator Cruise Missile I belonging to Angel Cartel hits you, doing 283.7 damage.
Illuvitar	Posted - 2004.12.07 17:50:00 - [30] Edited by: Illuvitar on 07/12/2004 17:54:11 Am I the only one in EVE who can't enter a 2/10 complex with a Destroyer? I'm reading all over the forums that people are entering them in destroyers and finishing them with ease. On another note, I've entered two 2/10 complexes with my punisher and in one instance happened to find all the keys and made it to the 3rd stage solo with my punisher. Here's the kicker and why I think every complex is totally different from another of the same difficulty: The third stage of the 2/10 I entered had 500k ISK Drones firing Cruise missles at me. I haven't tried it since the new patch but has anyone else experienced this? 2004.11.30 01:56:29 combat Devastator Cruise Missile I belonging to Angel Cartel hits you, doing 327.6 damage. * Illuvitar stares in awe at the wall of Thruster wash quickly approaching. 2004.11.30 01:56:17 combat Devastator Cruise Missile I belonging to Angel Cartel hits you, doing 283.7 damage.

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