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kinky ho	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:23:00 - [1] Edited by: kinky ho on 16/05/2010 18:24:52 http://bl3h-united.com/kwfl/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=169870 the kill above is from the "KWFL" loss board, was looknig earlier and noticed that the guy is using some kind of sync programe to control his 12 accounts at the same time all flying identical ships with identical fits and even that toon names are as close to identical as you can get how can this kind of thing be allowed and what are ccp gonig to do about it.........
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:24:00 - [2] they are going to delete your KB link probably not much else
Pellit1 Caldari Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:25:00 - [3] Oooooooor it's a fake km. ------------- Rough Necks Alliance BOOST FALCONS. Nerf whiners.
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:26:00 - [4] Edited by: BeanBagKing on 16/05/2010 18:28:03 They will do nothing about it because what he's doing is perfectly legitimate. He does not, in fact, use any kind of sync program, but controls all 12 manually and pays for all 12 accounts like he should. I can't find is blog right now, but a picture is worth a thousand words eh? http://forum.bbgsite.com/topics/411/201005/05/630,1.html You can see there what he did to his keyboards and mice to be able to manually control all 12. Edit: found the blog http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/ tldr: He may not have a life, but he's not doing anything you couldn't, or anything against the EULA.
Biggus McChinnus Minmatar The Wild Bunch	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:27:00 - [5] Here you go. Quote: From irritating spam-bots to automated farming macros hogging the best spots, macros and bots are almost universally despised in every MMO. Multi-boxing, on the other hand, is a much more ambiguous idea that has been common since as far back as the early days of EverQuest. Although there's nothing in the rules of most games against one player controlling multiple characters, there are usually rules against automating gameplay. This includes sending keystrokes and mouse commands from one computer to several clients, the preferred method for multi-boxers to control multiple game clients simultaneously. After a hit from the banhammer for "macro use", EVE Online player Zhek Kromtor engineered a low-tech solution to his rule-breaking problem. With a setup that looks like something out of The Matrix or Minority Report, Zhek has set up eight monitors and eight computers to run a total of fourteen EVE clients simultaneously. To control them all at the same time without rule-breaking macro software, Zhek has tied together six computer mice with packing tape and wooden skewers. Six separate keypads have been taped together, with yet more wooden rods letting him activate the modules on six ships at a time. According to the EVE EULA, using software to send keystrokes isn't allowed but there's nothing about taping together keyboards and mice. Whether you think this kind of setup is awesome or a blatant flaunting of the rules, putting together this kind of setup is definitely a bizarre achievement.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:27:00 - [6] hi cat here the answer is like this lol hope that helps x Vote Cat for space unicorns ♥ My Facebook!
Orephia	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:29:00 - [7] it's allowed: GM response
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:30:00 - [8] Originally by: BeanBagKing tldr: He may not have a life, but he's not doing anything you couldn't, or anything against the EULA. He is known to do multiboxing - whether or not he is using certain automation software is unknown - but hard to believe he doesn't. That would make him violate the EULA. Which incidentally also states that tactics like that cannot be used to obtain items or wealth... However he has been ganking transports in trading hubs using this setup. With 11 Ravens. ________________________ Let's build a superpower.
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: BeanBagKing tldr: He may not have a life, but he's not doing anything you couldn't, or anything against the EULA. He is known to do multiboxing - whether or not he is using certain automation software is unknown - but hard to believe he doesn't. That would make him violate the EULA. Which incidentally also states that tactics like that cannot be used to obtain items or wealth... However he has been ganking transports in trading hubs using this setup. With 11 Ravens. sigh read the sites that have been linked. It most certainly is known that he is NOT using automation software (though he did in the past, recieved a ban for it, and came back with his current rig). He is NOT in violation of the EULA, and ganking is another very legitimate tactic. The sigh is because this has been run into the ground in the past, thus the blog he put out, GM's are aware of him, etc. Nothing in this thread is new, it's all old news.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:35:00 - [10] Originally by: BeanBagKing Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: BeanBagKing tldr: He may not have a life, but he's not doing anything you couldn't, or anything against the EULA. He is known to do multiboxing - whether or not he is using certain automation software is unknown - but hard to believe he doesn't. That would make him violate the EULA. Which incidentally also states that tactics like that cannot be used to obtain items or wealth... However he has been ganking transports in trading hubs using this setup. With 11 Ravens. sigh read the sites that have been linked. It most certainly is known that he is NOT using automation software (though he did in the past, recieved a ban for it, and came back with his current rig). He is NOT in violation of the EULA, and ganking is another very legitimate tactic. The sigh is because this has been run into the ground in the past, thus the blog he put out, GM's are aware of him, etc. Nothing in this thread is new, it's all old news. We don't know that he does. We don't know that he does not. Therefore I assume he does. ________________________ Let's build a superpower.
Ohh Yeah The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:37:00 - [11] Met Zhekfleet in low-sec the other day. He said that GMs are now allowing him to use the program Synergy to control all of his clients. In the same manner, programs such as Inner Space w/ ISBoxer are also allowed.
Djakku Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:42:00 - [12] PWNED. This is not a signature.
Jovian Dax Caldari Old Dominion Engineering Consortium.	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:44:00 - [13] id like to get to know that guy now i feel very small with one laptop and one char hey spread the wealth help a guy out to get big like you <a href="https://eve-search.com/externalLink.asp?l=http%3A%2F%2Fs938%2Ephotobucket%2Ecom%2Falbums%2Fad228%2Fthomasmlinek%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3Dsig1copy1%2Egif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/thomasmlinek/sig1copy1.gif" border
Lord Molly	Posted - 2010.05.17 03:14:00 - [14] yeah man i want to know how he does it so bad
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.17 03:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: BeanBagKing tldr: He may not have a life, but he's not doing anything you couldn't, or anything against the EULA. He is known to do multiboxing - whether or not he is using certain automation software is unknown - but hard to believe he doesn't. That would make him violate the EULA. Which incidentally also states that tactics like that cannot be used to obtain items or wealth... However he has been ganking transports in trading hubs using this setup. With 11 Ravens. Actually CCP came into the thread and said it was perfectly legit. Which pretty much answers the OP. Its allowed, GG. This is clearly a signature.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.05.17 06:53:00 - [16] Your name is kinky ho and you're worried about what this guy is doing? ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
Dizzy Degenerate Super Serious Business	Posted - 2010.05.17 07:41:00 - [17] When you agreed to 1v1 you didn't clearly define what 1 was? <3 Dizzy
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.17 07:54:00 - [18] Skill > OTT This is so not my main
Arvano	Posted - 2010.05.17 07:55:00 - [19] While this is well within the rules of the game, it's still extremely shady. It's pretty much cheating, but doing it in disguise. A disguise CCP love so much (money) that they turn a blind eye. I wouldn't even dream of using 2 characters at the same time to fight with. I've used two before, one doing missions, one mining, salvaging, looting, whatever, but fighting on two is just.. dirty. Fighting on 12 is, well, beyond dirty.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.17 08:01:00 - [20] So using two is fine as long as people only do it like you want them to do it? I only got one account with one char, and i am a firm believer eve would be way better without alts, but that will never happen. If you are allowed to play with 2 accounts, i dont see why you shouldnt be allowed to do it with 12 accounts. He doesnt use anything significantly different from those logitech keyboard thingies, and they are allowed.
Your Client	Posted - 2010.05.17 08:07:00 - [21] Originally by: kinky ho Edited by: kinky ho on 16/05/2010 18:24:52 http://bl3h-united.com/kwfl/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=169870 the kill above is from the "KWFL" loss board, was looknig earlier and noticed that the guy is using some kind of sync programe to control his 12 accounts at the same time all flying identical ships with identical fits and even that toon names are as close to identical as you can get how can this kind of thing be allowed and what are ccp gonig to do about it......... LoL.. if this is legit.. balsey of him
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.17 08:19:00 - [22] Personally I would have synced with apocs or something none caldari and I also would have synced with stuff other than battleships, nice gank squad but thats really all it is. Besides this guy is known to panic in big / equal fleet encounters so expect a 'oops I just shield repped the wrong person with 12 shield transporters' This is so not my main
Arvano	Posted - 2010.05.17 08:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Furb Killer So using two is fine as long as people only do it like you want them to do it? I only got one account with one char, and i am a firm believer eve would be way better without alts, but that will never happen. If you are allowed to play with 2 accounts, i dont see why you shouldnt be allowed to do it with 12 accounts. He doesnt use anything significantly different from those logitech keyboard thingies, and they are allowed. I fully agree with you. I've never done much with my second account, I have no sense of direction with it, I have no idea what I want to do with it and am attatched to my main character. I brought it along to salvage a couple of level 4 missions, then realized I'd rather just do it with my main. I mined for a while, then realized I hated mining and would rather not play the game than have to mine ever again. I deleted it a few days ago and made a new one. I had this idea of having a character that catered to the need for specialized ships like stealth bombers, interceptors, interdictors, all that crap. Now, I just see that I'd rather get all that on my main and do everything on my main. If CCP were to ban second accounts, I'd have absolutely no problem with giving up my alt that does nothing whatsoever other than sit in station 24/7 training skills because I love playing my main so much. Not only would I be fine getting rid of the alt, I'd fully support getting rid of alts and forcing people to have one character.
Doctor Deals	Posted - 2010.05.17 09:33:00 - [24] this is simple.. thats a bunch of macros set to agress in pvp rather than pve.. or mix pve/pvp Either way, ccp will allow it because he pays for all of his accounts
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.05.17 10:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: BeanBagKing tldr: He may not have a life, but he's not doing anything you couldn't, or anything against the EULA. He is known to do multiboxing - whether or not he is using certain automation software is unknown - but hard to believe he doesn't. That would make him violate the EULA. Which incidentally also states that tactics like that cannot be used to obtain items or wealth... However he has been ganking transports in trading hubs using this setup. With 11 Ravens. Actually CCP came into the thread and said it was perfectly legit. Which pretty much answers the OP. Its allowed, GG. The response also stated: Originally by: GM Lelouch Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. As I said before. We don't know what he is doing. We don't know if he actually performs these kind of trickeries. If in doubt, assume worst-case-scenario. ________________________ Let's build a superpower.
Derelicht	Posted - 2010.05.17 11:03:00 - [26] Edited by: Derelicht on 17/05/2010 11:04:46 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: BeanBagKing Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: BeanBagKing tldr: He may not have a life, but he's not doing anything you couldn't, or anything against the EULA. He is known to do multiboxing - whether or not he is using certain automation software is unknown - but hard to believe he doesn't. That would make him violate the EULA. Which incidentally also states that tactics like that cannot be used to obtain items or wealth... However he has been ganking transports in trading hubs using this setup. With 11 Ravens. sigh read the sites that have been linked. It most certainly is known that he is NOT using automation software (though he did in the past, recieved a ban for it, and came back with his current rig). He is NOT in violation of the EULA, and ganking is another very legitimate tactic. The sigh is because this has been run into the ground in the past, thus the blog he put out, GM's are aware of him, etc. Nothing in this thread is new, it's all old news. We don't know that he does. We don't know that he does not. Therefore I assume he does. Guilty until proven innocent, eh? Originally by: Doctor Deals this is simple.. thats a bunch of macros set to agress in pvp rather than pve.. or mix pve/pvp Either way, ccp will allow it because he pays for all of his accounts End. Of. Story. The same goes for all the other macroers out there. They ignore it, we might as well do the same.
My Postman	Posted - 2010.05.17 12:13:00 - [27] When i looked at the pics posted above i was . Glued together wooden sticks to manage some keypads, and those "drawn together" mices made me lol very hard. A few seconds after it i felt sad for this guy. It might be the perfect way to show when you have to see a doctor. Seriously. This reminds me to go and see some RL people after work and drink some RL beer.
Grarr Dexx Amarr GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2010.05.17 12:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: BeanBagKing tldr: He may not have a life, but he's not doing anything you couldn't, or anything against the EULA. He is known to do multiboxing - whether or not he is using certain automation software is unknown - but hard to believe he doesn't. That would make him violate the EULA. Which incidentally also states that tactics like that cannot be used to obtain items or wealth... However he has been ganking transports in trading hubs using this setup. With 11 Ravens. You can't ban people on suspicion. ___
Fon Revedhort Monks of War Monks of War.	Posted - 2010.05.17 12:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Arvano I wouldn't even dream of using 2 characters at the same time to fight with. I've used two before, one doing missions, one mining, salvaging, looting, whatever, but fighting on two is just.. dirty. Fighting on 12 is, well, beyond dirty. Multiboxing is an art. What is actually dirty with it? Anyone can form a fleet with their mate and go roam having 2 (or 12) ships as well. Some even form a 256-man blob. Now that's what I call dirty ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.05.17 12:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: BeanBagKing tldr: He may not have a life, but he's not doing anything you couldn't, or anything against the EULA. He is known to do multiboxing - whether or not he is using certain automation software is unknown - but hard to believe he doesn't. That would make him violate the EULA. Which incidentally also states that tactics like that cannot be used to obtain items or wealth... However he has been ganking transports in trading hubs using this setup. With 11 Ravens. You can't ban people on suspicion. That's not what I said. Nonetheless it is unusual. ________________________ Let's build a superpower.

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