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Aglais
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.16 21:44:00 -
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It seems that in my corp, Frigates and frigate pilots are looked down upon as being noobs, or noob ships. I don't really see that. This character is slightly over a year old, and I genuinely enjoy flying Frigates more than battlecruisers or battleships.
Am I in some sense a poor, misguided fool for enjoying the Merlin, Harpy and Worm more than the Drake and the Raven?
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2010.05.16 21:46:00 -
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Find a new corp.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.16 21:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Aglais
It seems that in my corp, Frigates and frigate pilots are looked down upon as being noobs, or noob ships. I don't really see that. This character is slightly over a year old, and I genuinely enjoy flying Frigates more than battlecruisers or battleships.
Am I in some sense a poor, misguided fool for enjoying the Merlin, Harpy and Worm more than the Drake and the Raven?
Tell them that, sometimes, size does not matter. 
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.05.16 21:52:00 -
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Well pretty much depends on what you are doing and why you are doing it. If you run missions to make ISK, yes being in a Frigate after a year will be pretty noobish. If you play to have fun, then hull size is probably unimportant. Looks like you need a new corp.
This character can only fly frigates and shuttles, but if anyone complains she will just stop building t2 battleships for them 
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Simeon Tor
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Posted - 2010.05.16 21:55:00 -
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It's not the size of your ship that matters, but how you use it.
*self immolates for actually saying that.*
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.16 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 16/05/2010 21:55:23
Originally by: Aglais
It seems that in my corp, Frigates and frigate pilots are looked down upon as being noobs, or noob ships. I don't really see that. This character is slightly over a year old, and I genuinely enjoy flying Frigates more than battlecruisers or battleships.
Am I in some sense a poor, misguided fool for enjoying the Merlin, Harpy and Worm more than the Drake and the Raven?
Well after a year, you can fly better frigates than T1 basic. Interceptors, Interdictors, Covops.
If you enjoy flying those T1 frigates, then more power to you. Just bear in mind that your corpmates will suppose that you're able to bring more effective ships, but that you chose not to, and they'll wonder why. In short, they're going to suspect that you're not pulling your weight.
I have never, ever heard of a PvP gang who would refuse a dictor. The Sabre is awesome fun to fly, I assure you. Likewise, a good combat prober is precious beyond rubies.
And for some ops, a T1 frigate simply is no substitute for a BS. Got a POS to shoot? Leave the Merlin at home: it's useless.
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Marquis Zenas
I.X Research
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Posted - 2010.05.16 21:58:00 -
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Fly what you enjoy. Also, don't forget your EAS - the sentinel is supposed to be a nice frigate to fly. Ishkur is no slouch either. Either should be welcome in any raider gang!
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Amarr
Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2010.05.16 21:58:00 -
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I'd be pretty annoyed if someone with SP showed up in a frigate too.
Faction frigate, or tech2 frigate, not so much.
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AkJon Ferguson
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Posted - 2010.05.16 22:04:00 -
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1. Go on Agony Basic roams to get your frigate fix.
2. Bring something larger to your corporate ops.
3. Profit.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.05.16 22:14:00 -
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tbh i have never defended with anything bigger than a frigate lol
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.05.16 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Aglais
Am I in some sense a poor, misguided fool for enjoying the Merlin, Harpy and Worm more than the Drake and the Raven?
Short answer, no. Not misguided at all.
You flying a Worm shows that your not afraid of spending 50 or 60mil on just a frigate hull.
After fighting in large 0.0 battles with billions of isk on the line, I've come to realize that the ship size and isk risked simply do not matter. Its about the fight.
That said, what someone else said about not bringing a frig to a pos bash or something that requires BS, holds true.
Fly what you enjoy flying. You will be much better at it and your corpies will start saying, "You actually did that in <insert ship name>?!?!"
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Vossejongk
Caldari
Bendebeukers
Green Rhino
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Posted - 2010.05.16 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
tbh i have never defended with anything bigger than a frigate lol
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Cat why are there only 8 people in your corp? I suspect defending Rancer takes a whole lot more then 8.
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Mercurye
Nubian Sundance
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Posted - 2010.05.16 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vossejongk
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
tbh i have never defended with anything bigger than a frigate lol
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Cat why are there only 8 people in your corp? I suspect defending Rancer takes a whole lot more then 8.
Probably only defending one gate..
...oh wait! 
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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.16 22:48:00 -
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A good frigate pilot is invaluable to a well balanced raiding fleet.
In massive engagements their use is considerably less effective due to typical engagement ranges but they can still perform their jobs (tackle, e-war, support disruption) admirably.
Never dis a good frigate pilot, even in a chump little T1. Rifters and Merlins are quite good support tag-alongs and cheap as chips to replace... a carrier can pack in a useful number of them to support large scale engagements.
Of course, a similarly competent pilot in a T2 is even more useful. One can never have too few bombers or tacklers and they're the cat's meow when it comes to flash raiding deep into enemy territory.
I've got several characters who can fly anything up to Supercaps, but they're usually in frigates or cruisers as such ships offer mobility that larger ships simply don't. Their DPS is lower, but it's a hell of a lot easier to get more of them moving together.
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Posted - 2010.05.17 01:51:00 -
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The people extolling the virtues of T1 frigs dont know how to play.
Im all for letting new players play in what ever they have. But after a year you really need to do better than a crappy T1 frig.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.05.17 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Cat o''Ninetails on 17/05/2010 01:58:36
Originally by: Vossejongk
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
tbh i have never defended with anything bigger than a frigate lol
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Cat why are there only 8 people in your corp? I suspect defending Rancer takes a whole lot more then 8.
There were more...
The official line is that I suspected the members of piracy and thus had to forcibly remove them from the ranks of RDL.
The more fun version is whatever you make up yourself lol
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.17 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aglais
It seems that in my corp, Frigates and frigate pilots are looked down upon as being noobs, or noob ships. I don't really see that. This character is slightly over a year old, and I genuinely enjoy flying Frigates more than battlecruisers or battleships.
Am I in some sense a poor, misguided fool for enjoying the Merlin, Harpy and Worm more than the Drake and the Raven?
Your corp mates are stupid. Frigs have a lot to offer under the right circumstances.
Fast and very maneuverable.
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Aglais
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.17 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
The people extolling the virtues of T1 frigs dont know how to play.
Im all for letting new players play in what ever they have. But after a year you really need to do better than a crappy T1 frig.
I do. I have AFs and faction frigs.
The latter being Succubus and Worm. Looking into a Dram in the future, too.
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Johanna Frite
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Posted - 2010.05.17 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: Johanna Frite on 17/05/2010 02:10:40
Originally by: Aglais
It seems that in my corp, Frigates and frigate pilots are looked down upon as being noobs, or noob ships. I don't really see that. This character is slightly over a year old, and I genuinely enjoy flying Frigates more than battlecruisers or battleships.
Am I in some sense a poor, misguided fool for enjoying the Merlin, Harpy and Worm more than the Drake and the Raven?
Think about it this way. If your alliance calls for remote repair battleship gang and some guy shows up in a sniper hac, would you not think he is a noob? It is not the ship, it is how you apply it that earns your either ridicule or praise. When you bring a T1 frigate into a fight where you could have been more effective in another ship, a fight that your side seriously wants to win, a fight where other people depend on you, then yes people will look down on your for your frig. On the other hand when you pvp solo and kill cruisers and interceptors with your frig, you will be praised as pro pvper.
So if your corpies think you are a noob for flying T1 frigates perhaps you should do some good pvp in-game with your frigs to prove them otherwise.
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Giovanni DalleBandeNere
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.05.17 10:48:00 -
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1. frigs T1/T2/faction r damn fun to be used
3. u play this game to have fun (well at least i do), so if u'r not having fun u missing the point
conclusion?(absolutely personal of course), IF yr corp doesn't like frig pilots, change the corp and join one of the many who actually like frig roams/fight/whatever
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.17 12:20:00 -
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Two sides;
- fly what you enjoy to fly
- making sure that you're useful to the group/corp/fleet you chose to be with
Frigates can be very useful but if the general strategy for that OP/situation calls for people to be in more sturdier ships then you adapt. If this happens a lot and other people DO adapt to the needed ships while you choose to refuse, you choose to not be helpful. In which case you're being a useless fck. It's give and take; sometimes you get it your way, sometimes you need to adapt to the group.
If you systematically choose to not want to adapt to the group's needs then you probably should leave (or if I would be your CEO, be kicked out).
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Sha4d13
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.05.17 12:20:00 -
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The answer to this OP is very simple:-
1- Depends on the type of frig. If you are bringing merlins to serious gangs, then the corp is right. If you are bringing genuinely effective tacklers and anti support stuff, then they are wrong.
2- If your corpies are putting big expensive kit on the line for a fight and you are less effective than you could be because you are flying something cheap in which you can run away, it ought to be obvious why some might not be impressed.
3- If you regualrly scout well and get good tackles, they will be delighted to see you in frigs.
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