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Boposhopo
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Posted - 2010.05.17 23:30:00 -
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We seem to have drones for just about everything, except salvaging. I myself do a lot of salvaging for money or just for manufacturing. When I salvage 50+ wrecks at a time, it can take an hour or longer depending on how far some of the wrecks are away. I would like to see some salvage drones to hopefully decrease the time spent salvaging.
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Mkah Mvet
Chumly Incorporated Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2010.05.18 00:56:00 -
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I vote against.
Salvage drones would give too big an advantage to salvage thieves. It would mean salvage thieves could run salvage from 50+km, or over 100km with a good fit. Ninja salvaging is already a griefing mechanic, we don't need it any easier.
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steave435
Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.05.18 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: steave435 on 18/05/2010 01:09:33
Quote: advantage to salvage thieves
Salvage doesn't belong to anyone, and thus, there can be no salvage thieves. Since there can be no salvage thieves, salvage thieves can not get any kind of advantage.
Salvage drones would mean that you get the option to either be more effective in combat with normal drones, OR make a bit more money from it. Seems fine to me. Would even make it easier for people complaining about professional salvagers (what they call thieves) to salvage while they are fighting, so that there are no more wrecks available if anyone warps in.
Seems fair enough to me.
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Americe Zane
Fuzzy Duck Flying V Squadron Predatory Instincts
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Posted - 2010.05.18 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet I vote against.
Salvage drones would give too big an advantage to salvage thieves. It would mean salvage thieves could run salvage from 50+km, or over 100km with a good fit. Ninja salvaging is already a griefing mechanic, we don't need it any easier.
This assumes that only ninjas can have salvage drones.
It would make salvaging easier on the mission runner as well.
/support
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.18 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet I vote against.
Salvage drones would give too big an advantage to salvage thieves. It would mean salvage thieves could run salvage from 50+km, or over 100km with a good fit. Ninja salvaging is already a griefing mechanic, we don't need it any easier.
Salvage drones would actually quite a big boost to mission runners.
But what the hell: supported anyway. Nothing wrong with comptetive rewards.
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Weathered Soldier
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Posted - 2010.05.19 03:18:00 -
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Will be fun to see a missionrunner and professional salvager have salvage drone wars. Makes it harder on professional salvagers if they come on a domi or anything drone-boat. Whip out the salv drones! hah awesome idea.
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Baka Lakadaka
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.19 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 19/05/2010 03:47:35 Salvage drones are hidden away in the database somewhere, or at least the skill to use them is in there.
I think it would be a bonus to mission runners and ratters. At least you could salvage the nice big juicy wrecks during the mission.
If both the ninja salvagers AND the mission runner had access to salvage drones, then there's no change in the current balance. I see Vexors and Myrmidons becoming the new salvage boats of choice, while the destroyers and other BCs take a back seat. While the Battleships would field a flight of salvage drones to clean the choice wrecks during the mission.
Edit: Added my thumbs up.
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Bunyip
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.19 04:19:00 -
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I'm against this. A salvager costs the ship it's fitted to quite a bit (CPU, High Slot, 5 km range, etc). Having it just as a drone would be overpowered, even if the drone was 25 m3 (a Dominix would be uber in this case).
It's been suggested before, and shot down. Not supported, as it would be nigh impossible to balance the costs into a decent drone.
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Torpedo catcher
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Posted - 2010.05.19 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip I'm against this. A salvager costs the ship it's fitted to quite a bit (CPU, High Slot, 5 km range, etc). Having it just as a drone would be overpowered, even if the drone was 25 m3 (a Dominix would be uber in this case).
It's been suggested before, and shot down. Not supported, as it would be nigh impossible to balance the costs into a decent drone.
Only way to make this happend is by making the drones 25m3 and so slow, that even an amarr bs coulb outrun the drones. The salvaging itself should have cycletime of 10sec-20sec and 1/5 of the succes a module have (t1 drones compared to t1 module, t2 to t2), so that one single module is as good as full fleet of drones.
I do not agree anyhow with this. It would have some advantages, but also it would make the salvaging too profitable profession if 5m3 drones could do the salvage.
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Michelle Knight
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Posted - 2010.05.19 16:01:00 -
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How about tractor beam drones that you can send out to gather the wrecks. You target a wreck and the drones go fetch it for you and bring it close enough to salvage. That would save some of the salvage time without unbalancing anything. I support salvage drones and tractor beam drones. Both seem like helpful non-combat items and would add versatility to most ships.
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Hien Morisato
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Posted - 2010.05.19 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Torpedo catcher
Originally by: Bunyip I'm against this. A salvager costs the ship it's fitted to quite a bit (CPU, High Slot, 5 km range, etc). Having it just as a drone would be overpowered, even if the drone was 25 m3 (a Dominix would be uber in this case).
It's been suggested before, and shot down. Not supported, as it would be nigh impossible to balance the costs into a decent drone.
Only way to make this happend is by making the drones 25m3 and so slow, that even an amarr bs coulb outrun the drones. The salvaging itself should have cycletime of 10sec-20sec and 1/5 of the succes a module have (t1 drones compared to t1 module, t2 to t2), so that one single module is as good as full fleet of drones.
I do not agree anyhow with this. It would have some advantages, but also it would make the salvaging too profitable profession if 5m3 drones could do the salvage.
Salvaging drones could easily work. They could be similar to that of mining drones having a couple different types. For example you could have a standard tech 1 which is say 10m3 that can't salvage anything bigger then a medium wreck and your salvage percentage is based on your salvaging drone skill. Then you could have the big one say the 25m3 that can salvage anything and everything but is slow. Also you could have a tech II 10m3 that could do the same thing as the big one but requires a tier 2 skill trained as well as say salvaging drone skill level 5 say. In the end you would need something cruiser class or bigger to salvage with drones. It would actually slow some people down being that each time a drone salvaged it would have to return back to your ship much like a mining drone. As for a drone boat mission fit being "ubber" lol not really because they would have to pull they're drones in and send out they're salvage drones potentially making the mission take longer being that they wouldn't have that extra combat drone(s) out doing damage. It would speed up a few things but you also have to remember you can only launch 5 drones max unless your in a carrier or super carrier.
Gonna support this one
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Emma Royd
Caldari Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2010.05.19 17:22:00 -
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I figure that most serious salvagers use a destroyer to clear up after their mission, and since the only destroyer that has any drone space is the Catalyst, and that's only got 5m3 then I don't think they'll be a right lot of use.
Now I'd love to see T2 tractor beams, 30km Range and a slightly faster pull, say about 700m/s or so, but I doubt they'll ever happen since all the anti-carebears will winge.
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Mkah Mvet
Chumly Incorporated Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2010.05.19 21:32:00 -
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If salvage belongs to no one, then neither should salvage drones. If someone sends out their salvage drones I should have the right to shoot them down without any aggro or concord penalties. They should be heavy drones, top speed of 150 m/s, not be affected by drone navigation computers or drone navigation skill, a full rack have the same chance as a single T1 salvager with salvage skill lvl 1 to gain salvage, and have to return to the launching ship to deposit salvage. They should require drones 5 and heavy drone operation 4. Any salvage drones claim would have to be destroyed when they are, no loot drops from destroyed salvage drones. The base cost on them should be over 2 mil isk each. With these stipulations they would have enough drawbacks that no one would bother using them because they suck, and CCP can still say "ok we put them in now shut up about it already, we'll fix them soon(TM)." They'd be about as useless as all the other drones that nobody ever uses and no one complains about being broken.
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Jerid Verges
Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.05.19 22:21:00 -
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Voting against. This is a boost to missioning. Allowing BSs to solo lvl 4s and then quickly mop up salvage with drones without sacrificing highslots to salvagers.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.20 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jerid Verges Voting against. This is a boost to missioning. Allowing BSs to solo lvl 4s and then quickly mop up salvage with drones without sacrificing highslots to salvagers.
The use of salvage drones would already be a sacrifice. You're giving up the opportunity to use other drones. If you choose to pull your hobgoblins and put out your salvage drones, isn't that a compromise?
But then people will argue that the Dominix has an advantage - but the Dominix only has 6 high slots, because of it's massive drone bay. The Myrmidon, again has less high slots than your average BC. The Vexor, same deal. Even the lowly Helios, the only CovOps that has drone capacity, sacrifices a high slot compared to the other Covert Ops frigates. (wouldn't that be a nice little ship with a salvage drone in it, but I digress)
The ships are already balanced, the drone bays are balanced against the number of high slots, capacitor, grid and CPU. Arguing that getting salvage drones allows you to do something without giving up something else is plainly wrong.
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Farinet
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Posted - 2010.05.20 08:51:00 -
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eocsnesemaj
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Posted - 2010.05.21 11:48:00 -
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Totally against. no moar missioner boosts. Where is that thumbs down button?
(remove all lvl5s from high sec aswell)
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Nasej
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Posted - 2010.05.21 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
Originally by: Jerid Verges Voting against. This is a boost to missioning. Allowing BSs to solo lvl 4s and then quickly mop up salvage with drones without sacrificing highslots to salvagers.
The use of salvage drones would already be a sacrifice. You're giving up the opportunity to use other drones. If you choose to pull your hobgoblins and put out your salvage drones, isn't that a compromise?
But then people will argue that the Dominix has an advantage - but the Dominix only has 6 high slots, because of it's massive drone bay. The Myrmidon, again has less high slots than your average BC. The Vexor, same deal. Even the lowly Helios, the only CovOps that has drone capacity, sacrifices a high slot compared to the other Covert Ops frigates. (wouldn't that be a nice little ship with a salvage drone in it, but I digress)
The ships are already balanced, the drone bays are balanced against the number of high slots, capacitor, grid and CPU. Arguing that getting salvage drones allows you to do something without giving up something else is plainly wrong.
I think the point here was that you could do the entire mission THEN salvage with drones. in that way u could just send out the drones instead of having a salvager+tractor on, so yea ur getting 2 high slots back which means faster missioning PLUS having drones to do the work for you. Either way totally against.
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Ere Colliseru
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Posted - 2010.05.21 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Michelle Knight How about tractor beam drones that you can send out to gather the wrecks. You target a wreck and the drones go fetch it for you and bring it close enough to salvage. That would save some of the salvage time without unbalancing anything. I support salvage drones and tractor beam drones. Both seem like helpful non-combat items and would add versatility to most ships.
I think that would be the better idea. Salvaging drones where already discussed I think. The reason they where not introduced I don't know. But the disadvantages where bigger then the use. Tractor drones could have maybe a different skill "tractor range". Which is per skill level +8 km to the 20km tractor line of the ship. So lvl 5 would be a range of 60 km.
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Kellanari
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Posted - 2010.05.21 23:16:00 -
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I agree that tractor drones are a better idea than salvage drone in order to keep things balanced. However, rather than giving them huge range on the tractor, give them bonuses to mwd speed and tractor speed per level. That way, the donre gets out the wreck, grabs it at say 8k and brings it back to your ship to be salvaged. Have to have the bonus to tractor speed so the drone doesnt lose the tractor lock by going faster than than the tractor does.
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John Hamon
Hamon Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2010.05.22 17:38:00 -
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More drones is good news in my book. I vote yay!
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Marogian
Black Aces AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2010.05.23 22:00:00 -
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tell me if im wrong but CCP did try somethink a few years ago as some ppl have the skills books already and they couldnt get it to work then y would it work now i dont disagree just trying to rember facts lol again tell me if im wrong Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
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