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Anonialt	Posted - 2010.05.18 07:06:00 - [1] Im really not sure what to say about this. It's expensive - Too expensive to run without a scimitar helping you IMO. But, if you have isk and SP to spare.. Panther, Nanolol Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I - Navy Cap Booster 800 Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L Improved Cloaking Device II Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Berserker II x5 Now, the lows can be switched for more speed, agility, or damage. They are setup to my taste. The Invuln can go for an LSE if you truly want, and the rigs can be switched, np there. Also can fit another med neut in place of the cloak. Faction pimps/implants to taste but it's expensive enough as it is IMO. Stats with all Lvl V of the above: 867 DPS 3.9+39 range with damage ammo 7.8 + 59 range with barrage (beyond your locking range) 1426 m/s no heat 2015 m/s with 10.5 s align with MWD, 7.8 without Of course, the lacking part is the EHP. No overloading/leadership and you have just 52k to work with. I recommend a buddy in a logi if you are planning on engaging more than one target. With JUST a scimitar helping you.. this could do NASTY things. Tempest does more DPS, no cloak, less falloff, a LOT less agility/speed, more tank. I do think the speed/agility increase pretty much compensates though.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2010.05.18 07:10:00 - [2] Why, exactly, don't you just fly a mach? ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City'
Anonialt	Posted - 2010.05.18 07:42:00 - [3] Cloak, 400-500m isk less in price, other than that good point.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.05.18 07:45:00 - [4] Alternatively you could fly a nano cane with almost as much damage, about the same EHP, that's faster and more agile. Nevermind the cost issue. I'll give you a few points for effort but that setup is fail because it's a fail ship. All the BO's save the widow are complete garbage and even the widow is kinda weak. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Anonialt	Posted - 2010.05.18 07:52:00 - [5] Originally by: King Rothgar Alternatively you could fly a nano cane with almost as much damage, about the same EHP, that's faster and more agile. Nevermind the cost issue. I'll give you a few points for effort but that setup is fail because it's a fail ship. All the BO's save the widow are complete garbage and even the widow is kinda weak. Good try. You don't have a nanocane with 850 unheated DPS and those stats, Im sorry, but you don't. The tank and speed and agility - MAYBE close. The heavy neut AND med neut with a cloak that doesn't slow you down or give you a delay? Not happening. Heavy cap booster? Again, no. Falloff out to lock range? No. I fly the cane. It is good. But for a cloaking nano ship, this is pretty ganky and agile.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.05.18 08:57:00 - [6] [Hurricane, Nanopestoncrack] Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Large Shield Extender II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Hammerhead II x1 Hobgoblin II x4 814 dps (1.7km optimal + 16km falloff), 1552m/s, 52,353 EHP, 8.8s align time, 275mm scan res, price less than an unfit panther. Drop the navy invuln for a t2 and it loses 3k EHP and you can build 2 of them for the price of an unfit panther. You could also drop a nano for a third gyro bringing dps to over 900. That drops speed to about 1450m/s. This is with 2 turret hardwirings and no other implants. Obviously a snake set would go very nicely with it. It does not have the neuts or a non-cov ops cloak, I will give you that though I question the value of either. I said it was almost as good, not truly as good. If you drop it all to straight t2 gear with t1 rigs it has about 45k EHP, 788 dps and is the same otherwise. Price tag then is about 60M isk. Cost is always an issue, I fit to win but seriously, wtf? That ship is only slightly better than a t2 fitted BC costing 1/10th as much. It would get owned by the first BS/CS it ran into. Not even sure you could beat a drake/harbinger with it. So as said, points for making an attempt but it's still a terrible ship. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.05.18 10:28:00 - [7] Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 18/05/2010 10:28:05 Originally by: Anonialt I recommend a buddy in a logi if you are planning on engaging more than one target. With JUST a scimitar helping you.. this could do NASTY things. So you get expensive ship, which purpose is to gank lone BCs? Impressive It can't warp cloaked, it has loooow scan res - it won't even tackle anything remotely sane. And on top of that, it can get owned by pair of BCs with a scout, catching you while you're killing said lone BC(or whatever, really). Seeing as it has no slugfest potential, you can as well fit 1400mms on it with full lows of gyros+TEs and fit 3 SBs in mids and abuse the no delay after uncloaking - uncloak, salvo+mwd somewhere, cloak, repeat.
Concubinia Scarlett	Posted - 2010.05.18 11:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Anonialt It's a nanopest on crack laced with meth Its a good argument for having someone with a salvager in a small gang.
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Bite me inc.	Posted - 2010.05.18 11:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Anonialt Im really not sure what to say about this. It's expensive - Too expensive to run without a scimitar helping you IMO. But, if you have isk and SP to spare.. Panther, Nanolol Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I - Navy Cap Booster 800 Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L Improved Cloaking Device II Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Berserker II x5 Now, the lows can be switched for more speed, agility, or damage. They are setup to my taste. The Invuln can go for an LSE if you truly want, and the rigs can be switched, np there. Also can fit another med neut in place of the cloak. Faction pimps/implants to taste but it's expensive enough as it is IMO. Stats with all Lvl V of the above: 867 DPS 3.9+39 range with damage ammo 7.8 + 59 range with barrage (beyond your locking range) 1426 m/s no heat 2015 m/s with 10.5 s align with MWD, 7.8 without Of course, the lacking part is the EHP. No overloading/leadership and you have just 52k to work with. I recommend a buddy in a logi if you are planning on engaging more than one target. With JUST a scimitar helping you.. this could do NASTY things. Tempest does more DPS, no cloak, less falloff, a LOT less agility/speed, more tank. I do think the speed/agility increase pretty much compensates though. I believe I proposed this exact idea not even a month ago: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1315565#7 Nice steal mate. __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.05.18 12:49:00 - [10] I think if you're looking for lolnanobattleships you should be looking towards the Phoon and Fleet Phoon. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.18 13:04:00 - [11] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 18/05/2010 13:06:33 Originally by: Liang Nuren I think if you're looking for lolnanobattleships you should be looking towards the Machariel. -Liang fyp Also, nanobattleships are fun. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.05.18 13:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 18/05/2010 13:06:33 Originally by: Liang Nuren I think if you're looking for lolnanobattleships you should be looking towards the Machariel. -Liang fyp Also, nanobattleships are fun. Fixing the post would have required the inclusion of the Mach - the Phoon and Fleet Phoon are both excellent nano BS's as well. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards	Posted - 2010.05.18 13:56:00 - [13] Imo! The Nano cane is better than the nano pest (For the most part). The only reason to ever fly the nano tempest is fo sh!ts and giggles tbh. They are also awesome in a gangz.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.18 14:08:00 - [14] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 18/05/2010 14:09:47 Originally by: Proxyyyy Imo! The Nano cane is better than the nano pest (For the most part). The only reason to ever fly the nano tempest is fo sh!ts and giggles tbh. They are also awesome in a gangz. Don't you have ships to run from and stuff? Nanocane deals more or less **** dps outside of webrange, which is one of it's (few) downsides, also inability to hold down faster stuff then it (which is why I so often roll with scram when using a AC shieldfit, it's depressing to watch Vagabonds live in hull).
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition	Posted - 2010.05.18 14:11:00 - [15] Edited by: The Djego on 18/05/2010 14:15:04 Originally by: Proxyyyy Imo! The Nano cane is better than the nano pest (For the most part). The only reason to ever fly the nano tempest is fo sh!ts and giggles tbh. They are also awesome in a gangz. QFT nano pest is pretty bad and you are better of in a Cane. Also buff tempest.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.18 14:27:00 - [16] Originally by: The Djego QFT nano pest is pretty bad and you are better of in a Cane. Also buff tempest. Confirming this Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2010.05.18 14:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 18/05/2010 13:06:33 Originally by: Liang Nuren I think if you're looking for lolnanobattleships you should be looking towards the Machariel. -Liang fyp Also, nanobattleships are fun. Fixing the post would have required the inclusion of the Mach - the Phoon and Fleet Phoon are both excellent nano BS's as well. -Liang Yeah but they're cheap. The OP was already looking into spending a stupid amount of ISK on something worthless, might as well go top-tier and look damn good doing so. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City'
fmercury Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.18 15:14:00 - [18] drop lse for second invuln, it's still not a good idea though. buy a mach, unless you really, really need to jump to cynos.
arbiter reformed Minmatar The Waiting Room.	Posted - 2010.05.18 15:51:00 - [19] enough with the nanocanes already. they are ****. get some isk and buy vagabonds ffs
Ahz	Posted - 2010.05.18 20:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Anonialt Im really not sure what to say about this. It's expensive - Too expensive to run without a scimitar helping you IMO. But, if you have isk and SP to spare.. Panther, Nanolol Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I - Navy Cap Booster 800 Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II - Republic Fleet EMP L Improved Cloaking Device II Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Berserker II x5 Well, it has the benefit of being able to cyno around. Aside from that I'd use a Typhoon or maybe a FIT. But who knows? CCP is rebalancing the insurance payouts. Maybe that will change the calculation.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.05.18 23:07:00 - [21] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 18/05/2010 23:08:25 Originally by: Anonialt 1426 m/s no heat 2015 m/s with 10.5 s align with MWD, 7.8 without Of course, the lacking part is the EHP. EHP is not the problem. Panther is a brick even with the velocity bonus. Panther Mass = 148,800,000 kg Typhoon Mass = 103,600,000 kg Tempest Mass = 103,300,000 kg Do you know what mass does to MWD boost? It kills it. Only at level V Black Ops skill (40-ish days training) does the Panther finally, and barely, outrun the Tempest or Typhoon. And then only in a straight line. Quote: Tempest does more DPS, no cloak, less falloff, a LOT less agility/speed, more tank. I do think the speed/agility increase pretty much compensates though. Wrong as wrong can be. -- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.19 01:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Guillame Herschel EHP is not the problem. Panther is a brick even with the velocity bonus. Panther Mass = 148,800,000 kg Typhoon Mass = 103,600,000 kg Tempest Mass = 103,300,000 kg Do you know what mass does to MWD boost? It kills it. Only at level V Black Ops skill (40-ish days training) does the Panther finally, and barely, outrun the Tempest or Typhoon. And then only in a straight line. Quote: Tempest does more DPS, no cloak, less falloff, a LOT less agility/speed, more tank. I do think the speed/agility increase pretty much compensates though. Wrong as wrong can be. Panther is more like a Tempest on Robitussin laced with Codiene. You need to check your numbers Guillame. Mass is a useless statistic to look at without looking at the Inertial Modifier as well. The Panther is indeed faster and much more agile than the Tempest or Fleet Pest when fit similarly, MWD on or off.

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