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Kishin Sendo Minmatar Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.05.19 18:22:00 - [1] http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Systematic-Chaos/stats why the fail cascade?
Ocih Amarr The Program Vanguard.	Posted - 2010.05.19 18:48:00 - [2] Maybe Jerry Springer can help?
Major Templar Caldari KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.05.19 18:49:00 - [3] Could it be that they grew from the prospects of being a great and powerful Southern Coalition Alliance that helps to dominate Eve and then they hit the wall that is the Northern Coalition and realized they aren't that great and here is their downfall!? Major Templar Head of Armed Forces Kings Of Eden Sev3rance
Xenon Barinade Caldari Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.05.19 19:08:00 - [4] This too Probably a revolution
Rewt ed Caldari Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 19:21:00 - [5] probably has something to do w/ Liam.
Nostradamous Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 19:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Major Templar Could it be that they grew from the prospects of being a great and powerful Southern Coalition Alliance that helps to dominate Eve and then they hit the wall that is the Northern Coalition and realized they aren't that great and here is their downfall!? Wha? So Sys-K was up north?
Bonny Lee Caldari The Guardian Agency Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.05.19 20:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Major Templar Could it be that they grew from the prospects of being a great and powerful Southern Coalition Alliance that helps to dominate Eve and then they hit the wall that is the Northern Coalition and realized they aren't that great and here is their downfall!? Could it be that you started writing your post and thought it would be a good idea and then realized that you dont have any clew about sys-k and just filled it with some crappy fail-information.
Major Templar Caldari KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.05.19 20:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Nostradamous Wha? So Sys-K was up north? Actually yes, there was many up there. I ran into a few once in a while, well more like daily for a short time there near the end. I saw some there that I did not expect to ever see that far North, weird to see them so far up. Originally by: Bonny Lee Could it be that you started writing your post and thought it would be a good idea and then realized that you dont have any clew about sys-k and just filled it with some crappy fail-information. Actually I do have an idea about them. And about your alliance as well. Major Templar Head of Armed Forces Kings Of Eden Sev3rance
Brian thelion Caldari Gladiators of Rage	Posted - 2010.05.19 20:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Major Templar Originally by: Nostradamous Wha? So Sys-K was up north? Actually yes, there was many up there. I ran into a few once in a while, well more like daily for a short time there near the end. I saw some there that I did not expect to ever see that far North, weird to see them so far up. Originally by: Bonny Lee Could it be that you started writing your post and thought it would be a good idea and then realized that you dont have any clew about sys-k and just filled it with some crappy fail-information. Actually I do have an idea about them. And about your alliance as well. there was never any mass deployment of sys-k to fight the NC ever.. we were to busy fighting coven/stain so nice try clueless troll.
Dynast Gallente Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.19 21:28:00 - [10] Edited by: Dynast on 19/05/2010 21:31:40 Originally by: Kishin Sendo http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Systematic-Chaos/stats why the fail cascade? Not a fail cascade per se. Short version: Sys-K decided that in our current state, the war for Esoteria made no sense. We abandoned Esoteria, moved to our holdings in Period Basis, and parted ways with around half our corps. Sys-K's current goal is to rebuild as a smaller and more PvP-centric alliance. Edit: Also, confirmed that Sys-K never went north. You may have seen some I.NET in Syndicate; as a corp, they moved there a bit over a month ago.

Kishin Sendo Minmatar Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.05.20 02:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Dynast Edited by: Dynast on 19/05/2010 21:31:40 Originally by: Kishin Sendo http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Systematic-Chaos/stats why the fail cascade? Not a fail cascade per se. Short version: Sys-K decided that in our current state, the war for Esoteria made no sense. We abandoned Esoteria, moved to our holdings in Period Basis, and parted ways with around half our corps. Sys-K's current goal is to rebuild as a smaller and more PvP-centric alliance. Edit: Also, confirmed that Sys-K never went north. You may have seen some I.NET in Syndicate; as a corp, they moved there a bit over a month ago. So in another words, you lost the war to C0VEN and decide to move, and in the process loosing most of your corps.
Dynast Gallente Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.20 05:30:00 - [12] Edited by: Dynast on 20/05/2010 05:30:56 Originally by: Kishin Sendo Originally by: Dynast Not a fail cascade per se. Short version: Sys-K decided that in our current state, the war for Esoteria made no sense. We abandoned Esoteria, moved to our holdings in Period Basis, and parted ways with around half our corps. Sys-K's current goal is to rebuild as a smaller and more PvP-centric alliance. Edit: Also, confirmed that Sys-K never went north. You may have seen some I.NET in Syndicate; as a corp, they moved there a bit over a month ago. So in another words, you lost the war to C0VEN and decide to move, and in the process loosing most of your corps. Yes, and partially. To my knowledge, a couple corps chose to leave, several were asked to leave based on perceived combat performance, and one was asked to leave due to interpersonal issues. Edit: if you're interested in the details, the entire thing is rehashed ad nauseum on the kugu boards.
captain dirka Caldari Sinister Elite Raining Doom	Posted - 2010.05.20 06:43:00 - [13] Edited by: captain dirka on 20/05/2010 06:43:59 long story short, liam left the game, sysk had no leadership for god knows how long, ******s took control of said alliance. alliance was completely incapable of fending off coven / se. new leadership had emo rage and kicked several corps, a couple in the middle of CTAs. sysk friends and "pets" didnt even see them as suitable to go and support. sysk now is in a full retreat in the guise of "helping IT defend delve from PL". which i found laughable seeing as they couldn't fend off coven/se. i hope the cliff notes were of help/use. ty plz come again also forgot to add sysk bans use of its own alliance chat due to "spys"
Beachura Caldari G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.20 09:17:00 - [14] One day, there was a kitten, and it was fluffy, this kitten was called the sc Then, one day god bought a dog and called it the nc /thread
Marcus Ratz Minmatar Ascendent. Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.20 10:11:00 - [15] Our Lemmings are all gone. Someone left the gate open and they all ran out, headed straight for the nearest cliff and jumped. You know how lemmings are. We have decided not to adopt any more lemmings. They may be cute and cuddly, but they really are more trouble than they are worth. From now on, we're just keeping Rottweilers.
Callum545 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.20 10:14:00 - [16] i blame cosmoboy
Spurty Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.20 10:24:00 - [17] Posting in a thread with yet more delusional propaganda lapped up and then shot down when queried thread about failure. Good luck and don't worry about NC trying to rewrite your history. Real life always plays havoc with internet spaceships organization. Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
Jimmi Bones Minmatar Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.20 10:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Spurty Posting in a thread with yet more delusional propaganda lapped up and then shot down when queried thread about failure. Good luck and don't worry about NC trying to rewrite your history. Real life always plays havoc with internet spaceships organization. Sup DOOM. Serious question how many northern invasions has it been now?
Deva Blackfire Amarr Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.05.20 11:44:00 - [19] But but but... werent sys-k winning on all fronts? All that sov they took over? O_o Reminds me of one guy actually: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s27Oq5ot0ZI
John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.20 11:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Kishin Sendo http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Systematic-Chaos/stats why the fail cascade? I'd not normally post here but I'll explain it as best I can and then the trolls can go to work. Some months ago, a decision was made by the then Alliance leadership to change to a quantity over quality approach to recruitment. This had repercussions when c0ven and SE decided to attack our soverignty. CTAs would be called with fleet composition focus on Sniper Battleships and alot of corp's members where turning up in T1 Cruisers/Battlecruisers or not turning up at all. Similary, despite our having a large number of Dreads and Carriers, Corps and/or their members where unwilling to commit them meaning we where outmached in the Capital department. There was also a communications break down between Primary and Sys-K (this was our fault, not theirs) resulting in them often not knowing about CTAs undermining their attempts to help us. When we lost A1, a decision was made to pull back to our Period Basis holdings and get back to our roots as a PvP Alliance. The interium Leadership made a decision of who should stay and who should go, based upon several factors: 1. Did they bring the right ships to fleets? 2. Where these ships fitted correctly? 3. Size of their Cap fleet and willingness to field it. 4. Was their primary focus on PvP? Each corp. not chosen to remain where told the reasons why, asked to turn over the station to our infrastructure Corp. and given a default five day withdrawl time with extensions given upon request and help offered to evac assets. A couple of Corps decided to leave of their own volition. The majority of CEOs whilst obviously disapointed, where understanding and co-operated with our requests. Two were not. This resulted in our having to take back one of our own stations in Period Basis with a little help from our friends in LR and RKK (thank you to both). Our focus now is on securing our Period Basis holdings and bringing the fun back to our burnt out pilots. I'll not deny Systematic Chaos was on the verge of a fail cascade but contrary to the belief that we did, these steps allowed us to keep the core of the Alliance together and prevented that very thing from happening. Hopefully over the comming months, you'll see a very different Systematic Chaos from the one we were prior to these changes. Across the galaxy there is only war.

paracidic Amarr Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.20 12:06:00 - [21] Nice write up John. TBH I am glad your still playing internet spaceships. No matter how much things change, the more they stay the same. CYA in PB *********************************************** Everything ever written by a goon or DS1 member is absolutely factual and should not be challanged in anyway.
Dr Stroomb Amarr moonshine ventures	Posted - 2010.05.20 12:09:00 - [22] Excuse me John, but I fail to understand the point of your argument; you see, the math just doesn't add up properly. You say sys-k was a pvp alliance and you had fun at that time, then other corps (on which you are putting the blame) came and joined you and the alliances failed because of lack of participation. I ask myself, what happened to the original pilots, the ones that were attending the fleet fights in the beginning. You see, if these remained then it should not be a problem to field the proper numbers and kit. If you were having 200 pilots in fleet out of an alliance membership of 1000, you still (in theory) should be able to field 200 pilots out of an alliance of 4000, 10000, etc. I grant you the fact that with a larger member base you could have fielded 2 fleets. Besides, you needed these corps to keep space for you. So I donÆt think you are addressing the right reasons for your demise by saying that other corps were not good for you. I was in sys-k 2 times. First when it was an ôeliteö pvp unit, then in the past months when all the ôcarebearö corps joined. I noticed a marked improvement in the experience of living in Esoteria. My first experience was very sad, markets empty, having to jump a million jumps just to buy anything, etc, etc. The second time around it was very nice, markets were healthy with very good prices, organised systems and rules, etc. It was nice. So these corps actually made you good. I suggest you look at the length that you, as an alliance had been engaged in warfare. It must have been for over 6 months of continuous CTAs, I mean continuous. At that rate, any pilot needs to rat to get back stuff and you ended up with pilots without ships and isk. I think that was the reason. Fly safe.
Spurty Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.20 14:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Jimmi Bones Sup DOOM. Serious question how many northern invasions has it been now? Sup bonehead, Serious reply You do know we have and will always live in the north to right? Only leave for road trips. So... bit confused by your question there. We don't plan on invading ourselves. That's what downtime is for. Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
Jimmi Bones Minmatar Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.20 15:12:00 - [24] I don't think you got my question but it doesn't matter. Good to hear you will be staying! By the time i get back into the north i was afraid there would be nothing left to shoot but guristas Players always give better loot. Back on topic... Rumour has it sys-k kicked alot of corps/alot left because they lost their space and wanted to go back to their 'pvp roots' :physduck: Thing what nobody has realised from their side is that its impossible to polish a turd.
Liam Fremen Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe	Posted - 2010.05.20 17:18:00 - [25] Originally by: captain dirka long story short, liam left the game Sadly this is true, i had to leave nearly without notice all the stressfull things i was doing in eve, added to the problems in rl it was ruining my health, due to that i had no time to fix up a new leadership before leaving, let's say that what happened lately is mostly my fault -- Systematic-Chaos, Executor
Deva Blackfire Amarr Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.05.20 18:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Jimmi Bones Thing what nobody has realised from their side is that its impossible to polish a turd. It is possible. Check mythbusters :P
Bradton Amarr Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.20 19:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Marcus Ratz Our Lemmings are all gone. Someone left the gate open and they all ran out, headed straight for the nearest cliff and jumped. You know how lemmings are. We have decided not to adopt any more lemmings. They may be cute and cuddly, but they really are more trouble than they are worth. From now on, we're just keeping Rottweilers. Rottweilers? i was told we were chihuahuas, damit...
Orar Ironfist Gallente Resonance. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.20 21:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Jimmi Bones I don't think you got my question but it doesn't matter. Good to hear you will be staying! By the time i get back into the north i was afraid there would be nothing left to shoot but guristas Players always give better loot. Back on topic... Rumour has it sys-k kicked alot of corps/alot left because they lost their space and wanted to go back to their 'pvp roots' :physduck: Thing what nobody has realised from their side is that its impossible to polish a turd. Guyssss pleassee payyy attention to meeeee pleeaseeee
Derek Shmawesome Minmatar We Know Derek	Posted - 2010.05.20 22:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Spurty Good luck and don't worry about NC trying to rewrite your history. Oh wow a bitter Tri-member. What exactly was NC's role in this whole thing?
Spurty Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.20 23:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Derek Shmawesome Originally by: Spurty Good luck and don't worry about NC trying to rewrite your history. Oh wow a bitter Tri-member. What exactly was NC's role in this whole thing? Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.

Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.05.21 03:53:00 - [31] because they were terrible thats why I RP EWOK dastommy79 > why am i always the gay one
not Mogs Caldari TribalWar Inc	Posted - 2010.05.21 05:50:00 - [32] what happened to GLD? Were they not up to par with SYS-K standards?
Vex Shallobar Amarr Terra Incognita	Posted - 2010.05.21 09:01:00 - [33] With Liam leaving,alliance morale was down and many people really stopped caring about what was going on. The new leadership was around but not active and busy the way Liam was. Fleet compositions went to **** and organization broke down. It almost seemed like we had nobody keeping track of reinforcement timers etc in order to schedule ctas. Not to mention, ctas that were called were mailed 2-3 hours or less prior to when the fleet was expected to form up. We obviously had the ability to fend off Coven/SE with Liam around as we proved in our defence of HHQ,but the new leadership obviously wasn't able. Long story short Sys K+Liam/INET= New Sys K=
Smoke Adian Caldari League of Gentlemen	Posted - 2010.05.21 11:33:00 - [34] Originally by: Vex Shallobar With Liam leaving,alliance morale was down and many people really stopped caring about what was going on. The new leadership was around but not active and busy the way Liam was. Fleet compositions went to **** and organization broke down. It almost seemed like we had nobody keeping track of reinforcement timers etc in order to schedule ctas. Not to mention, ctas that were called were mailed 2-3 hours or less prior to when the fleet was expected to form up. We obviously had the ability to fend off Coven/SE with Liam around as we proved in our defence of HHQ,but the new leadership obviously wasn't able. Long story short Sys K+Liam/INET= New Sys K= ^ this. Sys-k was most definitely a cult of personality. Liam was a great leader and his fleets were hilariously entertaining. porco dio.
Arcanim Al'Seif Caldari Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.21 13:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Dr Stroomb I ask myself, what happened to the original pilots, the ones that were attending the fleet fights in the beginning. You see, if these remained then it should not be a problem to field the proper numbers and kit. If you were having 200 pilots in fleet out of an alliance membership of 1000, you still (in theory) should be able to field 200 pilots out of an alliance of 4000, 10000, etc. I grant you the fact that with a larger member base you could have fielded 2 fleets. Besides, you needed these corps to keep space for you. With regards to the original pilots a large percentage of our Liam Era CTA fleets would come from both I.Net and SSE. I.Net, though still a member of the alliance in name until very recently left Esoteria. SSE joined En Garde a couple of months back prior to the C0ven/SE conflict starting. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that these two corps between them were making the fleets, however they were providing a bulk of not only the experienced pilots but also the FCs we as an alliance were used to working under. Although we were sometimes achieving the kind of numbers we would expect from a 0.0 alliance, we were not seeing the ship types required to hold our space. Especially against such well-formed group as C0ven and SE. Mittens wrote a long time ago that Sys-K formed the line-slime for the StainWagon fleets with C0ven and SE providing the main cap group/specialized forces. This never changed and we had lost a lot of our core pilots whilst C0ven and SE had gotten more powerful. Arca
Aaron Caldari Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.22 21:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Liam Fremen Originally by: captain dirka long story short, liam left the game Sadly this is true, i had to leave nearly without notice all the stressfull things i was doing in eve, added to the problems in rl it was ruining my health, due to that i had no time to fix up a new leadership before leaving, let's say that what happened lately is mostly my fault Well done Liam, you did very well as a leader according to my sources, I hope you can relax a bit now you've quit eve. Good Luck Mate.
Bunzan Cardinal Minmatar The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2010.05.26 09:48:00 - [37] so now that sys-k is out of esoteria, does this make the pew pewing stop between them and coven/stain?
Dr Kang Caldari Ascendent. Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:14:00 - [38] Originally by: Bradton Originally by: Marcus Ratz Our Lemmings are all gone. Someone left the gate open and they all ran out, headed straight for the nearest cliff and jumped. You know how lemmings are. We have decided not to adopt any more lemmings. They may be cute and cuddly, but they really are more trouble than they are worth. From now on, we're just keeping Rottweilers. Rottweilers? i was told we were chihuahuas, damit... No,no,no. It was marmots. Also Carl told me to pack a freighter full of rubber gloves and vaseline to bring to PB, and this would end all our problems.
ImmaSplodeYou Amarr Hounds of Cullan	Posted - 2010.05.31 18:38:00 - [39] Originally by: John McCreedy Originally by: Kishin Sendo ****s Stuff +1 for honesty and clarity, best post all day Good luck in P-B
IronGoldenEagle Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED	Posted - 2010.06.01 06:22:00 - [40] Hmmm, facts seem to show that what, 4 of the corps that left were the top 6 in stats on your own kb. I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1. Sys-k was the epitome of fail and their 3000 + 4000 allies could not overcome 1000 C0VEN AND Stain so lol. __________________________________

Dengen Krastinov Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.06.01 07:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Callum545 i blame cosmoboy hur hur
Pixel SonursCreen Gallente Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.01 21:04:00 - [42] no comment
Aaron Caldari Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:25:00 - [43] Originally by: IronGoldenEagle Hmmm, facts seem to show that what, 4 of the corps that left were the top 6 in stats on your own kb. I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1. Sys-k was the epitome of fail and their 3000 + 4000 allies could not overcome 1000 C0VEN AND Stain so lol. Stain Empire and Coven have read from the book that lots of us haven't read. Even still i have respect for sys-k and I will not riddicule them in any way. Managing large groups of people will always be a difficult task. To say that sys-k failed is wrong, ultimatley i respect them for trying.
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: IronGoldenEagle Hmmm, facts seem to show that what, 4 of the corps that left were the top 6 in stats on your own kb. I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1. Sys-k was the epitome of fail and their 3000 + 4000 allies could not overcome 1000 C0VEN AND Stain so lol. Stain Empire and Coven have read from the book that lots of us haven't read. Even still i have respect for sys-k and I will not riddicule them in any way. Managing large groups of people will always be a difficult task. To say that sys-k failed is wrong, ultimatley i respect them for trying. You of all people commenting on **ing anything is a sheer **ing disgrace to the English language.
Aaron Caldari Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.06.17 19:42:00 - [45] Originally by: Lightningshade Originally by: Aaron Originally by: IronGoldenEagle Hmmm, facts seem to show that what, 4 of the corps that left were the top 6 in stats on your own kb. I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1. Sys-k was the epitome of fail and their 3000 + 4000 allies could not overcome 1000 C0VEN AND Stain so lol. Stain Empire and Coven have read from the book that lots of us haven't read. Even still i have respect for sys-k and I will not riddicule them in any way. Managing large groups of people will always be a difficult task. To say that sys-k failed is wrong, ultimatley i respect them for trying. You of all people commenting on **ing anything is a sheer **ing disgrace to the English language. What's wrong with my opinion block head? furthermore what do you know? Good luck to the person whose gotta try and manage people like you, you're downright impossible.
John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.17 20:41:00 - [46] Originally by: IronGoldenEagle I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1. That's because ten of EDF where in Dreads Across the galaxy there is only war.
Sephiroth CloneIIV Gallente Section 8 Industries Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.06.17 23:25:00 - [47] Edited by: Sephiroth CloneIIV on 17/06/2010 23:25:35 SC, or stain wagon as a unified power block isn't helping itself by having alliance members shooting each other. But I guess thatÆs political disputes for you. Some power blocks are not really close allies, but instead a loose conglomerate of self serving competing groups, each ready to stab each other in the back and take each others resources if the other shows a bit of weakness. Imagine if NC was like that, if when WI was losing geminite and MM and Majesta empire would be like "tough ****" unblues them and starts shooting them when trying evacuating into their space, and take some of the systems for themselves. Signature removed for having inappropriate content. Zymurgist
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 17/06/2010 19:46:50 Originally by: Lightningshade Originally by: Aaron Originally by: IronGoldenEagle Hmmm, facts seem to show that what, 4 of the corps that left were the top 6 in stats on your own kb. I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1. Sys-k was the epitome of fail and their 3000 + 4000 allies could not overcome 1000 C0VEN AND Stain so lol. Stain Empire and Coven have read from the book that lots of us haven't read. Even still i have respect for sys-k and I will not riddicule them in any way. Managing large groups of people will always be a difficult task. To say that sys-k failed is wrong, ultimatley i respect them for trying. You of all people commenting on **ing anything is a sheer ing disgrace to the English language. What's wrong with my opinion block head? furthermore what do you know? Good luck to the person whose gotta try and manage people like you, you're downright impossible. EDIT: if you see me talking about Stain Empire and Coven shut up and listen, I have fought these guys since you were a noob mining veldspar in kakakela. The problem is people like you don't know when to STFU and follow instructions, you always think you know best and have the answer for everything. Hey, didn't you once have the answer for everything? Until of course 90% of the people you "managed" set about raping the out of pretty much anything you undocked? In that CVA style bastardization of Hub Zero? Oh yeh, that's you alright. The only person I know of that is generally disliked more than Liam (Hey Liam, love you long time xxx) so, you've been spanked by SE and Coven loads, apparently getting d makes you a **ing expert on the subject?
IronGoldenEagle Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED	Posted - 2010.06.18 17:05:00 - [49] Originally by: John McCreedy Originally by: IronGoldenEagle I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1. That's because ten of EDF where in Dreads That ya'll didnt use... __________________________________
Aaron Caldari Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.06.19 15:02:00 - [50] Lightningshade, oh I get it, another " I hate Aaron thread" Funny you should mention the people I "managed", they thought they new better than me and joined sys-k thinking they would be better off in Stain Wagon. The people I "managed" wanted to be NBSI, I wanted them to be NRDS so we fell out and started fighting. Now these guys are back dwelling near me and they dislike me because I was right and they were wrong. I could manage a big alliance, however, block heads like you would not listen cos you think you know better when you actually don't. Just like Liam I have no interest in managing people like you and I'm happy just to have a small group of buddies and have some FUN. Think before you type your nonsense Lightningshade u really haven't got a clue.

Azran Zala Caldari Fleet of the Damned Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.06.20 00:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Lightningshade ..Oh yeh, that's you alright. The only person I know of that is generally disliked more than Liam... I like Liam <3 Originally by: Aaron ...they thought they knew better than me and joined sys-k thinking they would be better off in Stain Wagon. Now these guys are back dwelling near me... Ironey is the best comedy. I've left a jump clone in stain myself...tbh, just incase
igRaVeN Amarr Local-Spike	Posted - 2010.06.20 01:59:00 - [52] Sir Rave-A-Lot I'm a liam left-nut lover and I can not lie You other pod-caps cant deny When a hauler warps in with a lil' moon waste And a round thing in your face You get sprung Wanna pull up tough Cuz you notice that hold was stuffed Deep space he's been caring I'm hooked, and I can't stop staring Oh, Baby I wanna fly with ya And take your picture Local tried to warn me But that left-nut you got Makes me so horney
Dodgy Past Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.06.20 11:21:00 - [53] Have to say I've seen nothing of Sys-K in Stain for ages now. C0ven and LR pay us regular visits but considering that Sys-K are supposed to be more PvP orientated these days they really should try harder. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards.
Aaron Caldari Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.06.20 21:49:00 - [54] Originally by: igRaVeN Sir Rave-A-Lot I'm a liam left-nut lover and I can not lie You other pod-caps cant deny When a hauler warps in with a lil' moon waste And a round thing in your face You get sprung Wanna pull up tough Cuz you notice that hold was stuffed Deep space he's been caring I'm hooked, and I can't stop staring Oh, Baby I wanna fly with ya And take your picture Local tried to warn me But that left-nut you got Makes me so horney /me raps* even whiteboys got to shout, liam got nutz
Sala Kyss Gallente Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.21 04:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Dodgy Past Have to say I've seen nothing of Sys-K in Stain for ages now. C0ven and LR pay us regular visits but considering that Sys-K are supposed to be more PvP orientated these days they really should try harder. I'd check your kb's again, because i see brick squad on ours alot now :)
Lofe sXe Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.21 11:45:00 - [56] Originally by: John McCreedy ... and get back to our roots as a PvP Alliance. this is pure roftl
Aaron Caldari Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.06.22 16:31:00 - [57] Originally by: John McCreedy Originally by: Kishin Sendo http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Systematic-Chaos/stats why the fail cascade? I'd not normally post here but I'll explain it as best I can and then the trolls can go to work. Some months ago, a decision was made by the then Alliance leadership to change to a quantity over quality approach to recruitment. This had repercussions when c0ven and SE decided to attack our soverignty. CTAs would be called with fleet composition focus on Sniper Battleships and alot of corp's members where turning up in T1 Cruisers/Battlecruisers or not turning up at all. Similary, despite our having a large number of Dreads and Carriers, Corps and/or their members where unwilling to commit them meaning we where outmached in the Capital department. There was also a communications break down between Primary and Sys-K (this was our fault, not theirs) resulting in them often not knowing about CTAs undermining their attempts to help us. When we lost A1, a decision was made to pull back to our Period Basis holdings and get back to our roots as a PvP Alliance. The interium Leadership made a decision of who should stay and who should go, based upon several factors: 1. Did they bring the right ships to fleets? 2. Where these ships fitted correctly? 3. Size of their Cap fleet and willingness to field it. 4. Was their primary focus on PvP? Each corp. not chosen to remain where told the reasons why, asked to turn over the station to our infrastructure Corp. and given a default five day withdrawl time with extensions given upon request and help offered to evac assets. A couple of Corps decided to leave of their own volition. The majority of CEOs whilst obviously disapointed, where understanding and co-operated with our requests. Two were not. This resulted in our having to take back one of our own stations in Period Basis with a little help from our friends in LR and RKK (thank you to both). Our focus now is on securing our Period Basis holdings and bringing the fun back to our burnt out pilots. I'll not deny Systematic Chaos was on the verge of a fail cascade but contrary to the belief that we did, these steps allowed us to keep the core of the Alliance together and prevented that very thing from happening. Hopefully over the comming months, you'll see a very different Systematic Chaos from the one we were prior to these changes. sounds like a well thought out plan.
Therem Harth Caldari Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:48:00 - [58] Originally by: John McCreedy Our focus now is on securing our Period Basis holdings and bringing the fun back to our burnt out pilots. I'll not deny Systematic Chaos was on the verge of a fail cascade but contrary to the belief that we did, these steps allowed us to keep the core of the Alliance together and prevented that very thing from happening. Hopefully over the comming months, you'll see a very different Systematic Chaos from the one we were prior to these changes. Just make sure it doesn't go the way it did with XETIC, Cyvok and the whole minister of defence thing Oh, and hello Deva /waves
Liam Fremen Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe	Posted - 2010.06.26 09:52:00 - [59] Good Luck guys :) Try to do better then what i did learning by my mistakes too, sys-k is something i created and i wish all the best to it! The idea of cleaning up is something i always tought about, but the requirement for our commitment in the various big engagement was a big number of pilots in fleet, during my management sys-k was always a realiable big sub-capital force, it made the difference many times so we always had to balance between useless people and good one trying to end up with a decent mix. Now that you don't have the same pression you can work on your quality creating a better group, and i can't wait to see the good results :) make the old Liam proud ^^ -- Systematic-Chaos, Executor
Kitasi Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.06.26 10:03:00 - [60] Originally by: Bonny Lee Could it be that you started writing your post and thought it would be a good idea and then realized that you dont have any clew about sys-k and just filled it with some crappy fail-information. You miss-spelled "clue." Originally by: Kishin Sendo So in another words, you lost the war to C0VEN and decide to move, and in the process loosing most of your corps. You have used the present tense of "lose" (loosing <sic>) when the past tense (lost) would have been appropriate. Alternativly you could added "...ended up losing..." to create the same effect while mainting grammitical accuracy.

DurrHurrDurr Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.06.26 14:34:00 - [61] Originally by: Kitasi Originally by: Bonny Lee Could it be that you started writing your post and thought it would be a good idea and then realized that you dont have any clew about sys-k and just filled it with some crappy fail-information. You miss-spelled "clue." Originally by: Kishin Sendo So in another words, you lost the war to C0VEN and decide to move, and in the process loosing most of your corps. You have used the present tense of "lose" (loosing <sic>) when the past tense (lost) would have been appropriate. Alternativly you could added "...ended up losing..." to create the same effect while mainting grammitical accuracy. I'm sorry, but you seem to have misspelled "miss-spelled" "alternatively" "maintaining" and "grammatical".
Caleb Fury Amarr Did I just do that Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.06.26 21:00:00 - [62] Edited by: Caleb Fury on 26/06/2010 21:01:07 Someone beat me to it.
Joe D'Trader Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.06.28 00:27:00 - [63] Originally by: Caleb Fury Edited by: Caleb Fury on 26/06/2010 21:01:07 Someone beat me to it. This really should have been "Someone has beaten me to it." Someone beat me to it, is a tense mismatch that can only be corrected if you change tenses to past participle.
D'Arcon Skye Caldari The Leather Knights	Posted - 2010.06.28 01:25:00 - [64] Originally by: Dr Stroomb I was in sys-k 2 times. First when it was an ôeliteö pvp unit, then in the past months when all the ôcarebearö corps joined. I noticed a marked improvement in the experience of living in Esoteria. My first experience was very sad, markets empty, having to jump a million jumps just to buy anything, etc, etc. The second time around it was very nice, markets were healthy with very good prices, organised systems and rules, etc. It was nice. So these corps actually made you good. When we had Providence full to brimming with carebears the place was better than empire in every single aspect. You could go months at a time never heading to empire or asking others to buy things for you in empire, unless you needed skill books. Carebears make space great to live in, but by god it's impossible to defend space full of carebears because they won't or can't fight.
Derwent Caldari Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2010.06.29 11:43:00 - [65] Well my allaince was able to steal a great corp from sys-k. That oughta tell u something about their current state :)


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