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ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.20 22:45:00 - [1] Case N¦: 00001-112, Revan Neferis vs Archbishop 112.05.17 Revan Neferis opens the case with her initial charges. The following will be heard in court: []Defamation of character. []Invasion of privacy and stalking (Intellectual & Physical). [*]Using of false testimony regarding myself[Revan Neferis] as a slaver. The terms of the case revolve around a public statement on the validity of these claims in the eyes of the court. The case will be held on 112.5.22, coming to order at 22:00 in YWS0-Z "CCCNP Court One". Each party will receive equal opportunity to state their case, present evidence and testimony as well as time to question each others position. When the Case and Defense have been stated the court will recess to deliberate a verdict. The result will be explained to those present in-court and submitted to this summit afterwords. Both parties are encouraged to bring along an entourage of supporters to provide personal security. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Gaia Aemilia Amarr ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2010.05.20 22:53:00 - [2] Any citizens of the Amarr Empire can only be tried by Amarrian courts. The CCCNP does not hold any jurisdiction in the Amarr Empire, therefore Archbishop is not bound by any decisions made by your court. This is merely a show for the heretical masses that have occupied Providence.
Anabella Rella Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.20 23:00:00 - [3] Oh shut it you slaver hag. This sounds like more fun than a x-rated holo featuring an actress dressed up like Jamyl welcoming in the fleet. What you want is irrelevant. What you've chosen is at hand.
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.20 23:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Gaia Aemilia Any citizens of the Amarr Empire can only be tried by Amarrian courts. The CCCNP does not hold any jurisdiction in the Amarr Empire, therefore Archbishop is not bound by any decisions made by your court. This is merely a show for the heretical masses that have occupied Providence. If I recall correctly, the jurisdictional argument is settled by the consent of the parties. All in all, a fascinating development! After jurisdiction comes the question of "choice of laws." The court faces an interesting challenge, given that it is the outgrowth of an "anarchist" organization. However, choice of law may also be derived from the parties, here one being Amarrian, the other being formerly Amarrian and now a pirate queen. Given an "anarchist" court, a pirate queen of Amarrian descent, and an Amarrian, Amarrian jurisprudence on the subject matter would seem most relevant. Note for the lay person: "choice of law" does not mean "what would a court in the chosen jurisdiction do with these particular parties." It instead merely provides the legal framework upon which the court with jurisdiction may come to its own conclusions, regardless of what would happen in the source jurisdiction. Typically, of course, case law from the chosen jurisdiction would be considered particularly illuminating. As a matter of civil procedure, the third complaint seems to restate the first, perhaps based on information acquired in the second, and should probably be merged in the interests of judicial economy. There are a few matters which should probably be resolved simply to move past summary judgement: Defamation is harm to reputation, and so the question becomes whether or not being a pirate queen who engages in delightfully naughty rituals means having a reputation that cannot be "harmed." The status of "public figures" will also be relevant, both to defamation and invasion of privacy. Does being a pirate queen qualify one as a "public figure;" and if so, to what extent would being a "public figure" preclude actions for defamation? Invasion of privacy revolves around violation of a "reasonable expectation of privacy." There would be no expectation of privacy to matters revealed in public forums, nor would there be any in information readily available to the public (such as a locater agent's report). It is also important to note that many "public figures" are of such importance to the overall society that anything they do, no matter how private, becomes a part of the public trust. I suspect, however, that the dearth of case law will make this an extremely difficult exercise to "get right."
Aurora Morgan The Synenose Accord	Posted - 2010.05.20 23:29:00 - [5] Originally by: ChipMo Defamation of character. Invasion of privacy and stalking (Intellectual & Physical). Use of false testimony regarding myself[Revan Neferis] as a slaver. Sansha's Nation are attacking and _this_ is considered important enough to bring up in court? Why did even 'Archbishop' agree to bring this farce up?
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.20 23:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Kor Shivat being a pirate queen who engages in delightfully naughty rituals That's almost too light to my taste. And hi, Kor, been a while since I last heard from you. Oh yes, this court. Jasmine and I will be there so on... Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.20 23:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Kor Shivat being a pirate queen who engages in delightfully naughty rituals That's almost too light to my taste. And hi, Kor, been a while since I last heard from you. A thousand cuts to the glory of the Valsharess. I thought phrase "who promotes carnivorous orgies of bloody lubrication" might be seen as unnecessarily prejudicial at the time. Ironically, given that choice of law points to Amarr, the fact that an individual of your stature most likely qualifies as a "public figure" by any definition of the term is probably not the end of the inquiry. In Gallente space, the defense would almost certainly prevail simply by demonstrating that you are a queen. That said, of course, Amarr case law may well imply that someone who promotes carnivorous orgies of bloody lubrication cannot be "defamed." All in all, this would be quite a fascinating hypothetical for budding little students of law. And, naturally, best of luck in bringing about an end to civilization as we know it! Every day, I look out my window and wonder if I am about to be sucked into space... no, no, that's not it. Well, that is it, but in addition to that, I wonder how many worlds are burning. All humanity shall rise to the firmament in a grand upwelling of flame... oh, blast, the nurse is bringing my medication again.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.20 23:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Kor Shivat Ironically, given that choice of law points to Amarr Tsk Tsk. New Providence has been liberated from it. I'm not sure why you would state that the choice of law points to Amarr. But I'm sure that it was a simple overlooked detail of your argument. Nonetheless, good to see you again Kor. I like your posting style and I follow them with great interest. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.21 00:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Kor Shivat Ironically, given that choice of law points to Amarr Tsk Tsk. New Providence has been liberated from it. I'm not sure why you would state that the choice of law points to Amarr. But I'm sure that it was a simple overlooked detail of your argument. Certainly Amarr has no authority to decide cases in New Providence, Three Times Crimson Majesty. By "choice of law" I refer only to the mundane text that serves as a basis for legal reasoning. The term "choice of law" sounds more important than it is, and should not be considered equivalent to a "choice of court." Because New Providence is so recently liberated, it seems unlikely to have accumulated a body of legal reasoning of its own, but a court there does have to start "somewhere." Given the present and past relationships of the parties to Amarr, using Amarr's legal texts about defamation and invasion of privacy would be one potential start. Naturally, parties to a dispute have complete freedom to propose any choice of law they see fit, and for the court to then pick. It is up to the parties and the court to then determine the outcome of the case based upon the laws picked, in large part regardless of how a court in the original jurisdiction (such as Amarr) would have resolved any particular case. Tangent: I'm quite sure that Gallente media conglomerate, Eggheads, Egadz, Egon.. something like that, would pay a fortune for broadcast rights. A case such as this would keep an army of celebrity attorneys in front of cameras for a year, yes, yes, even with the end of the world as we know it approaching fast.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 01:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Kor Shivat Certainly Amarr has no authority to decide cases in New Providence, Three Times Crimson Majesty. Acknowledged and agreed of course. Originally by: Kor Shivat By "choice of law" I refer only to the mundane text that serves as a basis for legal reasoning. The term "choice of law" sounds more important than it is, and should not be considered equivalent to a "choice of court." Understood and as a mater of fact quite well put. Originally by: Kor Shivat Because New Providence is so recently liberated, it seems unlikely to have accumulated a body of legal reasoning of its own, but a court there does have to start "somewhere." Given the present and past relationships of the parties to Amarr, using Amarr's legal texts about defamation and invasion of privacy would be one potential start. Interesting, a matter that I haven't given a thought yet, until you mention it. But as the Sovereignty where the court stands remains under the star fraction, I can only assume that the choice of legal is already established under the anarchist philosophy perhaps? I wouldn't know the answer, perhaps Chipmo can tell us. Originally by: Kor Shivat Naturally, parties to a dispute have complete freedom to propose any choice of law they see fit, and for the court to then pick. It is up to the parties and the court to then determine the outcome of the case based upon the laws picked, in large part regardless of how a court in the original jurisdiction (such as Amarr) would have resolved any particular case. Certainly a point there. If that's the case I'd be glad to have a Sani Sabik choice of law established to this case. Originally by: Kor Shivat Tangent: I'm quite sure that Gallente media conglomerate, Eggheads, Egadz, Egon.. something like that, would pay a fortune for broadcast rights. A case such as this would keep an army of celebrity attorneys in front of cameras for a year, yes, yes, even with the end of the world as we know it approaching fast. No doubt, no doubt. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.21 01:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Aurora Morgan Sansha's Nation are attacking and _this_ is considered important enough to bring up in court? Why did even 'Archbishop' agree to bring this farce up? I didn't agree to anything in fact I specifically refused to participate in their little soap opera. This little dog and pony show is totally a Star Fraction PR campaign and nothing more. I will direct you to the other thread where ChipMo stated the rules for his court and what was required to set a court date: Originally by: ChipMo If both parties involved in a common dispute agree to abide by the ruling of the CCCNP we will set a court date. Ideally these will be held in space where each party is represented by themselves, proxy, or lawyer. Each party is also encouraged to bring along a sizeable group of supporters to view and validate the proceedings. I had asked a friend of mine (Lord Murkon) to realy that I had no interest in participating in their little PR event. After awhile I actually posted in the thread myself my refusal to participate. Originally by: Archbishop I DO NOT AGREE TO PARTICIPATE IN, ABIDE BY THE RULINGS OF, ACCEPT ANY JURISDICTIONAL CLAIM OR RIGHT OF OR BY NOR DO I AGREE TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CCCNP OR ANY CLAIM BROUGHT AGAINST ME BY ANY INDIVIDUAL OR ORGANIZATION VIA THE CCCNP. Signed: ARCHBISHOP. After this Revan indicated she wanted a trial in absentia and ChipMo agreed. Despite ChipMo's own rule that both sides had to agree to abide by the CCCNP's ruling to have a court date set he set one anyway. Little surprise given Revan's lover is Jade Constantine the CEO of ChipMo's corporation and alliance the Star Fraction. When accused of violating his own rule and setting a court date without agreement by all parties ChipMo actually posted this little gem: Originally by: ChipMo "If both parties involved in a common dispute agree to abide by the ruling of the CCCNP we will set a court date." I did NOT say "unless both parties involved in a common dispute agree to abide by the ruling of the CCCNP we will not set a court date." There is a difference. If that looks completely ridiculous to you as it does to most you'll see my point in not participating in the little PR stunt of the Star Fraction and Revan Neferis. I actually fell out of my chair laughing when I read it. I still can't believe he posted that but he did. Obviously ChipMo has taken lessons in spin from his CEO. Anyway ChipMo also posted another little gem that describes the role of the CCCNP. Originally by: ChipMo The court does not spin propaganda for anyone. It is what it is, if your wish to hire the court and then use it to grandstand your opinions and beliefs there is nothing in the way we operate to stop you. Obviously this "court" is a for-hire soapbox for people to come and grandstand and get a little media attention and nothing more. While ChipMo originally put himself in the role of arbitrator with his rule about both sides negotiating a conflict it is quite clear the reality is quite different. Given the latest media obsessions of the Star Fraction it is little surprise that they came up with this "court" to get into the news again. Clearly a court led by the Star Fraction with Jade's "cousin" (proxy?) representing Revan Neferis is hardly able to be considered credible at all. If Revan wants to spend her isk and stand on a soapbox complaining about me calling her a slaver (I did correct myself after seeing her old post), now ex-slaver, member of a pirate alliance and claimed supporter of the Amarr Empress that is fine with me. I'll have no part of it. So please don't blame me for this latest fraudlent fiasco of self-idolization. This is entirely on Revan and the Star Fraction. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 01:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Archbishop Given the latest media obsessions of the Star Fraction it is little surprise that they came up with this "court" to get into the news again. ôJealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius.ö You could even try to disguise but after this statement you have made your jealousy palpable. I even pity you now. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.21 05:28:00 - [13] If Archbishop wishes to be involved I will assure he will have unmolested access, a fair proceeding and stand for his caliber of character. ******************************** www.eve-chatsubo.com A long term Role-Play, Fiction and EVE storyline community.
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 06:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Archbishop So please don't blame me for this latest fraudlent fiasco of self-idolization. This is entirely on Revan and the Star Fraction. Archbishop They are simply trying to distract people from the fact that they : A) are blue to an admitted Sansha sympathizer B) have been proven to be hypocrites C) have been caught lying D) all of the above. *The art of the conversation shouldn't be present amongst friends. The skill of the conversation is in the listening.*
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.21 08:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Originally by: Archbishop So please don't blame me for this latest fraudlent fiasco of self-idolization. This is entirely on Revan and the Star Fraction. Archbishop They are simply trying to distract people from the fact that they : are blue to an admitted Sansha sympathizer; have been proven to be hypocrites; have been caught lying; all of the above. Recognizing that there is a great deal of bad blood splashed across the tile floors, this particular proposition - the notion of a "court" in the wild reaches of space - is not inherently despicable. Although I can understand why the Archbishop might be reluctant to participate, there is some opportunity for constructive engagement. Simply the act of trying to issue a legal opinion is an interesting notion for "anarchists" - largely indistinguishable from, dare I say, "state action." The issues raised by Her Majesty's complaint have depth; and, in response, there are several interesting legal considerations to be examined. In the absence of the Archbishop's appearance, I might offer the following outline of a defense (much of which could be derived from the discussion above). One can assume plaintiff takes an opposite view to each point. The positions of the parties is to be expected. Where magic happens is in the court's rationale for a decision. This rationale becomes a basis for future decisions, increasing order regardless of specific outcome. A Brief For The Defense might look like: Plaintiff's claim to relief for defamation should be denied on the grounds that: 1) plaintiff's reputation is too well established in the public mind to be affected by any statement of defendant, and can therefore not be harmed. 2) plaintiff's reputation is too outrageous for any reasonable finder of fact to conclude it could be further harmed. 3) plaintiff's mythical status renders her a public figure, an inevitable part of discourse, precluding any action for recovery arising from that discourse. The plaintiff's claim to relief for invasion of privacy should be denied on the grounds that: 1) all statements by defendant are based on materials plaintiff disclosed in this and other public forums, and are therefore not subject to any reasonable expectation of privacy. 2) plaintiff's mythical status renders her a public figure, an intrinsically public creature with no reasonable expectation of privacy. 3) as military opponents, plaintiff and defendant gather intelligence on one another; there are no "laws of war" in New Eden; consequently, any information gathered by military opponents falls beyond the subject matter jurisdiction of civil courts. 4) To the extent some military operations are considered subject to civil proceedings, the proper parties are the factional entities, not individuals. In response, plaintiff will assert: damage to reputation is not to be measured against the larger community, but her own; and, status as a public figure does not deprive her of an individual interest in the integrity of said reputation. Moreover, holding military campaigns to a rule of law brings structure to the battlefield, advancing civilization. In a generic courtroom, this case would take years, involving numerous points of appeal. Again, I'm sure Gallente media giants would bid fortunes to the parties to broadcast their appearances.
Rorin Cutter Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.21 08:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Originally by: Archbishop So please don't blame me for this latest fraudlent fiasco of self-idolization. This is entirely on Revan and the Star Fraction. Archbishop They are simply trying to distract people from the fact that they : A) are blue to an admitted Sansha sympathizer B) have been proven to be hypocrites C) have been caught lying D) all of the above. You have forgotten that they are pirates, and both alliances support terrorism in Amarrian space, Domain lowsec space, and of course Providence. That would make this a outlaw court. http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s72/rorincutter/Cutter-Drew.jpg
Subspecie Minmatar Crusaders Transcendancy	Posted - 2010.05.21 11:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Kor Shivat 1) plaintiff's reputation is too well established in the public mind to be affected by any statement of defendant, and can therefore not be harmed. The accused have lied about the plaintiff's activities and therefore it's clear that although the plaintiff's reputation isn't affected ( because the accused have lied ), it makes the intention of harm evident and present. Originally by: Kor Shivat 2) plaintiff's reputation is too outrageous for any reasonable finder of fact to conclude it could be further harmed. As above Originally by: Kor Shivat 3) plaintiff's mythical status renders her a public figure, an inevitable part of discourse, precluding any action for recovery arising from that discourse. There is no law stating that a public figure status renders a capsuleer to be a legal victim of another's behaviour that is annoying, alarming, or threatening. Stalking, which consists of an ongoing course of conduct, is a form of harassment. Originally by: Kor Shivat 1) all statements by defendant are based on materials plaintiff disclosed in this and other public forums, and are therefore not subject to any reasonable expectation of privacy. The Celebrity victim is accusing the criminal to go beyond information exposed for public perusal, and when this happens controlling or emotionally abusive behaviour occurs. Originally by: Kor Shivat 2) plaintiff's mythical status renders her a public figure, an intrinsically public creature with no reasonable expectation of privacy. Absurd. Again a public figure is still a capsuleer and protected by all rights which protects another capsuleer of any creed, fame or work status. Originally by: Kor Shivat 3) as military opponents, plaintiff and defendant gather intelligence on one another; there are no "laws of war" in New Eden; consequently, any information gathered by military opponents falls beyond the subject matter jurisdiction of civil courts. None of the case complaints are related to militaristic information neither falls into such category. Originally by: Kor Shivat 4) To the extent some military operations are considered subject to civil proceedings, the proper parties are the factional entities, not individuals. See above. Originally by: Kor Shivat In response, plaintiff will assert: damage to reputation is not to be measured against the larger community, but her own; and, status as a public figure does not deprive her of an individual interest in the integrity of said reputation. Moreover, holding military campaigns to a rule of law brings structure to the battlefield, advancing civilization. In a generic courtroom, this case would take years, involving numerous points of appeal. Again, I'm sure Gallente media giants would bid fortunes to the parties to broadcast their appearances. I doubt it. As a long term attorney planetside, I see here a very swift and clear case where the accused has too many years of public history of said harassment and obsessional behaviour towards the victim and has recently even admitted guilty in advance of charges relayed by the plaintiff. The elements of many traditional criminal and civil offenses are present including the crime of stalking as repeatedly harassing a person, use of her image and name in abusive obsessive rates, making calumnious repetitive statements, abusive invading of private relationships and this is all well documented on intergalactic summit along the years. The Victim had more than enough evidence to safely commence the process for this case to be fast and easily have the accused charged guilty under any choices of law that protects human rights, independent of its source.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 13:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Subspecie As a long term attorney planetside, I see here a very swift and clear case where the accused has too many years of public history of said harassment and obsessional behaviour towards the victim and has recently even admitted guilty in advance of charges relayed by the plaintiff. The elements of many traditional criminal and civil offenses are present including the crime of stalking as repeatedly harassing a person, use of her image and name in abusive obsessive rates, making calumnious repetitive statements, abusive invading of private relationships and this is all well documented on intergalactic summit along the years. The Victim had more than enough evidence to safely commence the process for this case to be fast and easily have the accused charged guilty under any choices of law that protects human rights, independent of its source. Interesting, thanks for the input. I have indeed accumulated tons of evidence to open this case. Although, the evidence is clearly explicit, enough to any reader to open archbishops archive and see how many of his posts are directly related to me, using my name, abusing of calumnies and referring to my private life. One doesn't need to be a genius to pick the level of obsession that this man have developed to points of clear harassment. Anyways by all means feel free to contact me personally. I'd like to hear more of your inputs to this case. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Gaia Aemilia Amarr ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2010.05.21 14:59:00 - [19] In response to Kor Shivat: Republican law and courts, who are heavily based on Federation law, is not the same in the Empire. Our laws, customs and traditions are different than yours. Please keep that in mind.
Alveolus Core Synthesis Unlimited	Posted - 2010.05.21 15:03:00 - [20] Archbishop, Whilst I understand and, indeed, to a point share you concerns and complaints, I am growing tired of you incessant pursuit to claim this as a "Star Fraction" PR piece. All the evidence I have seen so far seems to contradict you. This is ChipMo's initiative and - it seems - his alone. Certainly, the fact the Jasmine - a member of Star Fraction, and close associate of Jade - is representing Revan is of no surprise to any of us who frequent this forum. But that doesn't lend credence to the notion that this is some sort of Star Fraction sponsored puppet show, however much you may want it to be. I understand your reasons for not wanting to take part. I share them, and hope the CCCNP (which I believe to be a worthy notion in its establishment) can learn from the public's concern with this case. But your apparent obsession with point-scoring and attributing this as some Star Fraction masterplan seems misplaced and unwarranted and - to this passive observer - it weakens your argument significantly as you come to be seen in essence as the same as that you decry. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ChipMo, It's your court, and I applaud your efforts at bringing some sort of structured conflict resolution to a troubled area that is, of course, still a somewhat unsettled region. Whilst I know I'm not alone in being concerned in the progress this case seems to have taken, I nonetheless understand you're insistent to take it forward, and in that regard wish you well for it and hope it doesn't cause enough damage to end up being the only case the court hears. I tentatively look forward to hearing how this progresses, and the conclusions the course makes in the absence of a defendant. There have been some very good opinions raised in the various discussion threads surrounding this case, and I trust lessons can be learned and the CCCNP can go from strength to strength in providing an impartial structure to resolving disputes in the region. Attia Alveolus CEO & Founder Core Synthesis Unlimited
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.21 15:14:00 - [21] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/05/2010 15:15:33 Originally by: Alveolus Archbishop, Whilst I understand and, indeed, to a point share you concerns and complaints, I am growing tired of you incessant pursuit to claim this as a "Star Fraction" PR piece. All the evidence I have seen so far seems to contradict you. This is ChipMo's initiative and - it seems - his alone. An interesting point. However, SF members have in the past not hesitated to hold entire corporations and alliances responsible for the actions of indvidual members. So it seems to me that what's sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander. Furthermore, the level of support and lack of dissent from SF members regarding this "court" seem to indicate that it is indeed more than simply ChipMo acting on his own. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 15:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Rodj Blake Furthermore, the level of support and lack of dissent from SF members regarding this "court" seem to indicate that it is indeed more than simply ChipMo acting on his own. Actually much to the contrary. The level of disapproval to this court based on the same very stalkers who have been perpetrating this obsessive behaviour year after year here shows the validity of this court in absolute. Let this be taken as a lesson to those stalkers who perhaps now, having this very specific and obvious case brough to light, will seat back and consider their own behaviour and start living their lives in any meaningful matter instead of clinging into harassment stalking of other famous personalities who actually arrived and achieved what they achieved because they didn't engage in such diseased pattern. You, Rodj Blake, is a very good receiver of my message and obviously galnet readers have only to browse you past 100 posts to assert the accuracy of my words. Your obsession is just a little bellow Archbishop's himself. I'm surprised that you even dare to show your face here to lay even a single word in such trial that is so well directed to your own behaviour too. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Syn Callibri Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.05.21 16:14:00 - [23] What I find amazing and confusing...(having spoken to the Thrice Illustrious once and having taken note of her bearing...not that I condone her beliefs,but I MUST admire the way she carries herself), find it odd that she even deems the comments that Archbishop has presumably made worthy of her notice at all? (comments expressed here may not reflect those of Blacklight Inc.)
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 16:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Syn Callibri What I find amazing and confusing...(having spoken to the Thrice Illustrious once and having taken note of her bearing...not that I condone her beliefs,but I MUST admire the way she carries herself), find it odd that she even deems the comments that Archbishop has presumably made worthy of her notice at all? It took him years of complete obsessional pattern to take my attention to this point. We are talking about hundreds of posts uninterrupted and unceasing criminal harassment behaviour bordering the very edges of an obsession rarely seen in the star cluster since its formation. This sort of things must be brought to light, if nothing else to prevent others to fall into the same pattern and to avoid others to fall victim of this man. So mote it be. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 16:29:00 - [25] Honestly, at a time when things of actual importance regarding the Nation are taking place, and I now have to trawl back multiple pages for intel and reference material, why do we have more PR crap for this Socialite flooding up the Summit? Honestly give us all a break. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 16:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Honestly give us all a break. There is a mechanism inherent of every human being that is usually at function. It works by willingness of the mind and it's activated by information exchange of two and plus neurons making the human brain exchanging signs and able to take concious decisions. If you can reach this advanced development point in your skull, you'll obviously be able to reach the conclusion that you have the option to not read what doesn't interests you. Commenting about your lack of capacity to coordinate such information inside this white mass you consider to be thinking inside your skull barely bears weight on your argument here. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 16:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Caellach Marellus Honestly give us all a break. There is a mechanism inherent of every human being that is usually at function. It works by willingness of the mind and it's activated by information exchange of two and plus neurons making the human brain exchanging signs and able to take concious decisions. If you can reach this advanced development point in your skull, you'll obviously be able to reach the conclusion that you have the option to not read what doesn't interests you. Commenting about your lack of capacity to coordinate such information inside this white mass you consider to be thinking inside your skull barely bears weight on your argument here. My my, big words for a little lady. Here's the problem, because you obviously missed the point and then made an ironical statement about not understanding things, so I'll spell it out for you simple. Your PR crap is cluttering up the Summit at a time when information between Capsuleers is vital. Learn to prioritise and save your ego boosting for some other point of the year when communication between capsuleers is less vital. I get it perfectly, you like your fame and you want to make sure everyone knows who you are, you sit and brag and throw your ISK around at Mercs to do your work. But honestly if you think you're more important than the events that are happening in systems around the Cluster between the Nation and free thinking minds you're quite mistaken. Take a break, your ego won't disappear with your self imposed fame if you stop shouting from the mountain top for a month or two. Infact you might become slightly more refreshing with some new material instead of constantly boring many of your critics with the "same old, same old" crap. And yes dear, that was constructive critisism with no sarcasm attached. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 16:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Here's the problem No problem from my part. The fact that you just came back validates my point. We can proceed of course but I don't advice. Your intelligence is simply non existent and You'd have to join the line of lessers in order to keep getting my attention. Resuming, if you want your point to be of relevance and state how this thread is of no importance to you, put your tail between legs and leave, low, the same way as you arrived. Before I start to like playing with you too kid. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 16:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Caellach Marellus Here's the problem No problem from my part. The fact that you just came back validates my point. We can proceed of course but I don't advice. Your intelligence is simply non existent and You'd have to join the line of lessers in order to keep getting my attention. Resuming, if you want your point to be of relevance and state how this thread is of no importance to you, put your tail between legs and leave, low, the same way as you arrived. Before I start to like playing with you too kid. Mind if I ask something, did you enjoy playing with dolls as a small child? Not the tacky plastik style ones but the good old pad and stitching, was it something that continued to interest you as you grew older. Relevant question, odd one but indulge my curiosity. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 16:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Mind if I ask something? No, I don't mind as long as you turn on your brain first. I won't be waiting because I know it may not be possible to you in the current incarnation. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 16:57:00 - [31] Question was already stated. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Question was already stated. Not with your brain turned on so you didn't meet my requirements. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Honestly, at a time when things of actual importance regarding the Nation are taking place, and I now have to trawl back multiple pages for intel and reference material, why do we have more PR crap for this Socialite flooding up the Summit? Honestly give us all a break. You're forgetting that Revan has pledged her support to Sansha. Cluttering up the IGS may be her way of providing it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Caellach Marellus Question was already stated. Not with your brain turned on so you didn't meet my requirements. Not understanding how one person thinks doesn't grant grounds to state that person simply doesn't think. It just means they think on a different wavelength to you. Perhaps when you're done making Strawman arguments and seeking council from your Thesaurus you'll understand that. I await your responce, contrary to what you think while you personally do not interest me in a personal matter, keeping you busy and occupied here is certainly well worth my time. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:08:00 - [35] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/05/2010 17:08:37 Originally by: Rodj Blake Cluttering up the IGS I'd never attend PIE Inc. school of harassment and obsessive behaviour. This Title is you and yours alone. The fact that you're all paying homage to this single thread speaks for itself. Perhaps you're trying to hide your complete irrelevance on the sansha case by continuous licking the scraps from my table? Anything new the past years to you Rodj? Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Caellach Marellus while you personally do not interest me in a personal matter All my favourite stalkers started with that very sentence. Welcome aboard. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:13:00 - [37] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/05/2010 17:14:38 Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/05/2010 17:08:37 Originally by: Rodj Blake Cluttering up the IGS I'd never attend PIE Inc. school of harassment and obsessive behaviour. This Title is you and yours alone. That's an odd thing to say, considering the number of threads started by you. Quote: The fact that you're all paying homage to this single thread speaks for itself. Perhaps you're trying to hide your complete irrelevance on the sansha case by continuous licking the scraps from my table? You and I must be using different definitions of homage. Quote: Anything new the past years to you Rodj? Yes, quite a lot actually. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Vlad Cetes Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:16:00 - [38] Originally by: Rodj Blake Quote: Anything new the past years to you Rodj? Yes, quite a lot actually. Like failure to keep AAA from taking Providence?
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Rodj Blake That's an odd thing to say, considering the number of times you reply to me. It's you coming here to me, kneeling and licking my heels dear, I won't deny you the pleasure as you are so addicted to it. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Revan Neferis All my favourite stalkers started with that very sentence. Welcome aboard. Ah, well while they were busy hoping for your personal attention and to get you to possibly admit being wrong on something or self admittance of a failing I've no such goal. I must confess though the temptation of revealing my entire idea like some villain to the hero in a cheesy old Holovid is quite appealing. Sadly I do not possess the elongated moustache to curl around my finger while I do so, nor is my evil cackle sufficient for the job. And I also get the feeling having you tied down to something would only encourage your sado-masochistic side into getting the wrong impression. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:20:00 - [41] Originally by: Vlad Cetes Originally by: Rodj Blake Quote: Anything new the past years to you Rodj? Yes, quite a lot actually. Like failure to keep AAA from taking Providence? I think he meant a new artificial tongue as his was wearing out of licking the floor I step for so long. But you have your reason there too Vlad of course. But Let's not humiliate him all at once. Such things has to be given in small doses. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:25:00 - [42] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Ah, well while they were busy hoping for your personal attention They still are , so are you sweetheart. Do you have any interesting tricks that may lead me to consider you a cute stalker? Or just one along the line? Some roll, some can crawl, others can bark. How about you? What will you do to deserve a special place on my collection and become a plaything that I shall at least remember the name next time around? Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Vlad Cetes Originally by: Rodj Blake Quote: Anything new the past years to you Rodj? Yes, quite a lot actually. Like failure to keep AAA from taking Providence? Amongst other things, yes. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:28:00 - [44] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Caellach Marellus Ah, well while they were busy hoping for your personal attention They still are , so are you sweetheart. No, I just want to keep your attention to this thread, very much centered here and not elsewhere, infact to engage you somewhere other than this thread would be quite a disappointment to the whole point of me engaging you here. As for the petnames and interest in me, flattered but very much spoken for thank you, and not looking elsewhere. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:31:00 - [45] Originally by: Subspecie Originally by: Kor Shivat 1) plaintiff's reputation is too well established in the public mind to be affected by any statement of defendant, and can therefore not be harmed. The accused have lied about the plaintiff's activities and therefore it's clear that although the plaintiff's reputation isn't affected ( because the accused have lied ), it makes the intention of harm evident and present. If this is your position, it is largely the end of the matter. Although intent is one element of plaintiff's prima facie case, there must also be some impact on plaintiff's reputation for defendant's actions to constitute defamation. For reference, a brief summary: Defamation This reference may also help illuminate the significance of "public figure." While defendant's actions have probably enhanced the plaintiff's reputation rather than harmed it, I nevertheless suggest filing an amended brief which does not concede plaintiff's reputation was unaffected by the alleged defamation. Otherwise, you are correct about one thing: this would be a very quick case, after all.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Caellach Marellus No, I just want to keep your attention to this thread You have my attention sweetheart, I like this thread too. Let's see what you can do to keep me entertained as my champagne cools down, my mercenaries issues their wars and my allied sanshas continues harvesting their needs. And you are here dancing for me. Besides, you're gallente too so, you have a point extra on my book. I have absolutely nothing to complain. Let's see bring it your best show. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:41:00 - [47] Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 21/05/2010 17:46:30 Originally by: Revan Neferis Let's see what you can do to keep me entertained as my champagne cools down, my mercenaries issues their wars and my allied sanshas continues harvesting their needs. And the rest of the IGS can go back to discussing important matters while your ego is being indulged in this one thread, instead of in several and causing an unnecessary clutter. Yeah, I got the short straw on this job, I'm sure they'll give me councilling for it later. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Subspecie Minmatar Crusaders Transcendancy	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Kor Shivat While defendant's actions have probably enhanced the plaintiff's reputation rather than harmed it, I nevertheless suggest filing an amended brief which does not concede plaintiff's reputation was unaffected by the alleged defamation. Otherwise, you are correct about one thing: this would be a very quick case, after all. The Crime per se was committed and the amount of damage reparation requested both in emotional and physical demands in value of inter-stellar currency. It means that the case per se exists because there was, in the mind of the plaintiff, a damage caused by the accused. This renders the case, a very quick case and indisputable. Let me remind you that the basic idea of defamation law is simple, it is an attempt to balance the private right to protect one's reputation with the public right to freedom of speech. Defamation law allows people to sue those who say or publish false and malicious comments. and that's the charge lifted to this court. ( To which the accused already confessed himself as guilty ) I see here, by browsing through his records, two types of defamation: Oral defamation "slander" and Published defamation "libel". Images as well as words can be libellous. ( I don't suggest linking oog references here, specially because constitutional law differs from country to country, and such your reference does not apply to all. thanks)
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:53:00 - [49] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/05/2010 17:53:49 Originally by: Caellach Marellus And the rest of the IGS Do I care? I don't. Apparently you don't either as you are still sitting here with your tongue out and baited breath indulging me and playing jester. It was you after all so concerned about the thread. Me? I'm fully satisfied with the novelty. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 17:59:00 - [50] Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/05/2010 17:53:49 Originally by: Caellach Marellus And the rest of the IGS Do I care? I don't. Apparently you don't either as you are still sitting here with your tongue out and baited breath indulging me and playing jester. It was you after all so concerned about the thread. Me? I'm fully satisfied with the novelty. If you didn't care, why reply, you're fully aware now of what I'm doing and my intentions behind it surely the best thing to do would be ignoring me and going back to your other multiple self-related discussions? You're an interesting person Revan, I'm learning a lot about you from this and I never even intended that. But this still serves a purpose, and it's really a great cure for the boredom too. I'd wager that if you weren't so instantly dismissive of others, and engaged on a subject you truly believed in you'd be quite a formidable debator. It's a pity to see your talents wasted. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:01:00 - [51] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/05/2010 18:03:09 Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/05/2010 18:02:43 Originally by: Caellach Marellus If you didn't care, why reply Same answer I have given to Rodj, you can scroll up and pick from there. PS: Indulge me with something intelligent and I'll repay you in kind. As long as you're just a jester like all other stalkers you will be treated dismissively and with disdain. Many already learnt this lesson, you are not the first neither the last. Choose your path. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
D melanogaster Minmatar The Fruit Flys	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:02:00 - [52] Originally by: ChipMo Defamation of character. Invasion of privacy and stalking (Intellectual & Physical). Use of false testimony regarding myself[Revan Neferis] as a slaver. I am betting that any effort of the defense to defend against charges 1 and 3 will be proof to the court for charge 2. They will claim that by using chat-logs and posting archives and searching for them, the defense will be stalking. This is a circus court.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:06:00 - [53] Originally by: D melanogaster I am betting that any effort of the defense to defend against charges 1 and 3 will be proof to the court for charge 2. They will claim that by using chat-logs and posting archives and searching for them, the defense will be stalking. This is a circus court. Oh look is the Jade Constantine's proxy stalker coming here too. They must be getting really desperate to try this card Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Revan Neferis PS: Indulge me with something intelligent and I'll repay you in kind. As long as you're just a jester like all other stalkers you will be treated dismissively and with disdain. I don't mind how you respond, you can insult my intelligence, make references to my mother and claim what you will. Just as long as you're here, you can't be elsewhere and intel and threads of legitimate worth won't be bumped off by your multiple Socialite esque threads. And all the while you still have one very active discussion for your ego. I wonder if Kuvakei requested you use your expertise across the IGS to attempt to push important material from the front page or if it was your own plan. Either way it's genius. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:25:00 - [55] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Just as long as you're here, you can't be elsewhere Oh, what an argument, I didnt know it worked that way to you. So you are so limited that when you are here you can't be elsewhere! That's what I call shortage of brain resources dear. Astonishing revelation you did to yourself there. As for myself, unfortunately to you im another dozens of places simultaneously dealing with my life as usual. You better higher your stakes here kid, you start to pass from humorous to ridiculous. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Revan Neferis That's what I call shortage of brain resources dear. ................. As for myself, unfortunately to you im another dozens of places simultaneously dealing with my life as usual. I'm humoured how you manage to misinterpret that, actually you've managed that a few times now on several different subjects. I've spelt it out several times for you now, the fact you still don't get it is leaving me wondering who here lacks cognative thought. I'm disappointed, I honestly thought you were smarter than this Revan, seriously no sarcasm. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:45:00 - [57] Originally by: Caellach Marellus who here lacks cognative thought. The fact that I have stated that I treat idiots with disdain and make them my playthings and you continue to return to me answers your question. And no, Im not disappointed by your lack of intelligence, you are not different than any other play things im used to deal with from the past 6 years. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Captain Blauvelt Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:47:00 - [58] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Originally by: Revan Neferis That's what I call shortage of brain resources dear. ................. As for myself, unfortunately to you im another dozens of places simultaneously dealing with my life as usual. I'm humoured how you manage to misinterpret that, actually you've managed that a few times now on several different subjects. I've spelt it out several times for you now, the fact you still don't get it is leaving me wondering who here lacks cognative thought. I'm disappointed, I honestly thought you were smarter than this Revan, seriously no sarcasm. You're making a fool of yourself for an entire page now dude. get a grip.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Captain Blauvelt You're making a fool of yourself for an entire page now dude. get a grip. Shhh don't discourage him. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:58:00 - [60] Apologies, I shouldn't have gotten into a slinging match. It's a cheap way of keeping one's interest, though partial quotation of responces to take things out of context is hardly a great way of making your point either. I made my reason quite clear as to why I return, the fact you do too is more reason to do so again. I also think I made my reasons for doing so quite clear and what I gain from doing this. Anyway, I suggest a new tract, I'm curious on something. I know you won't engage Star Fraction, but the Nation will, and that whole thing's been flogged to death already, but I'd like to know this. Should in the unlikely event that the Nation comes out succesful and they begin to dominate the cluster in its entirety, how would you react to your lover's death or enslavement without free thought knowing your actions in part lead to the Nation's victory? -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:59:00 - [61] Originally by: Captain Blauvelt You're making a fool of yourself for an entire page now dude. get a grip. I feel a little sorry for Caellach Marellus for letting himself be toyed this way But that's not why I'm here, I'd like to ask Chimpo for an interview about the case.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:04:00 - [62] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/05/2010 19:06:03 Originally by: Caellach Marellus Apologies Accepted. Originally by: Caellach Marellus Should in the unlikely event that the Nation comes out succesful and they begin to dominate the cluster in its entirety, how would you react to your lover's death or enslavement without free thought knowing your actions in part lead to the Nation's victory? My allegiance with the Nation reposes over firm solid bases of mutual interests and pre set agreements prior to cooperation. My lover shall not be harmed. And PS: your question does not match with the subject of this thread. There are other venues to that. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:07:00 - [63] Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 21/05/2010 19:10:52 Originally by: Revan Neferis My allegiance with the Nation reposes over firm solid bases of mutual interests and pre set agreements prior to cooperation. Here's the problem, do you honestly believe Jade would accept their rule, the Nation's control goes against pretty much everything the Free Captains stand for. Forgive the metaphoric here but you're sleeping in the beds of each other's enemy, you can't possibly expect it to have a happy ending. Edit: Quote: And PS: your question does not match with the subject of this thread. There are other venues to that. I had your attention here already, I didn't think it necessary to bring up another thread of your discussions on the matter. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Forgive the metaphoric here but you're sleeping in the beds of each other's enemy, you can't possibly expect it to have a happy ending. Subject to another pertaining thread and related to my private life. I doubt you will get a response of me continuing in this line. Revan Neferis Thrice-illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:14:00 - [65] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Caellach Marellus Forgive the metaphoric here but you're sleeping in the beds of each other's enemy, you can't possibly expect it to have a happy ending. Subject to another pertaining thread and related to my private life. I doubt you will get a response of me continuing in this line. Yes but is another thread really necessary. Infact are multiple threads necessary when you usually get the same group of people responding around the same old arguments. Infact this thread was never necessary, especially as one person involved that was meant to agree to it didn't agree at all. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:17:00 - [66] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Yes but is another thread really necessary. No, there's already a thread about sani sabik and sansha discussing such matters. Any discussion of the matters, respectively in the right place. Otherwise by the level of intellectual capacity of IGS readers no Sani Sabik, soon they will be claiming Archbishop to be a sansha or something, which would be highly entertaining but barely educative. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Captain Blauvelt Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:21:00 - [67] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Captain Blauvelt You're making a fool of yourself for an entire page now dude. get a grip. I feel a little sorry for Caellach Marellus for letting himself be toyed this way And the dude won't shut up.
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:25:00 - [68] Originally by: Captain Blauvelt Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Captain Blauvelt You're making a fool of yourself for an entire page now dude. get a grip. I feel a little sorry for Caellach Marellus for letting himself be toyed this way And the dude won't shut up. Revan doesn't need cheerleaders arguing for her you know Pilot. I must admit this is an interesting way to kill time though, I believe I understand more why you use IGS as a personal tool to further your notoriety Revan. The insights of the past few hours of engagement with you have been interesting in parts, yet disappointing in others. You should co-operate more. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:32:00 - [69] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Revan doesn't need cheerleaders arguing for her you know Pilot. This. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:35:00 - [70] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Caellach Marellus Revan doesn't need cheerleaders arguing for her you know Pilot. This. Aye, if you'd asked for them yourself I'm sure you'd fit them out in little uniforms with blood red pompoms... Actualy that's a disturbing thought. Also Quote: Chimpo The potential for an amusing doctored photograph of Chip's head on a Monkey is also disturbing, albeit not as disturbing as the idea of a Sani Sabik cheerleader squad. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Aye, if you'd asked for them yourself I'm sure you'd fit them out in little uniforms with blood red pompoms... Actualy that's a disturbing thought. Now you entertained me with the thought of you dressed that way. Ok, let's not go back to the same pattern before you will need to apologise again after a full page. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Sorus Chatelain Amarr Sacred Ring of Sarum	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:41:00 - [72] Originally by: Caellach Marellus Apologies, I shouldn't have gotten into a slinging match. It's a cheap way of keeping one's interest, though partial quotation of responces to take things out of context is hardly a great way of making your point either. I made my reason quite clear as to why I return, the fact you do too is more reason to do so again. I also think I made my reasons for doing so quite clear and what I gain from doing this. Anyway, I suggest a new tract, I'm curious on something. I know you won't engage Star Fraction, but the Nation will, and that whole thing's been flogged to death already, but I'd like to know this. Should in the unlikely event that the Nation comes out succesful and they begin to dominate the cluster in its entirety, how would you react to your lover's death or enslavement without free thought knowing your actions in part lead to the Nation's victory? Guy, you started with spamming this thread with off topic rubbish. What makes you think you get to ask "serious" questions after a page and a half of being bounced off the walls by Revan Neferis? Go post a new thread and ask these things, don't try playing the "sensible poster" after a failed derail attempt its just sad
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:43:00 - [73] Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 21/05/2010 19:44:07 Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Caellach Marellus Aye, if you'd asked for them yourself I'm sure you'd fit them out in little uniforms with blood red pompoms... Actualy that's a disturbing thought. Now you entertained me with the thought of you dressed that way. I'm not sure I should be flattered you're thinking of me, or concerned. I'm pretty sure I don't have the legs to suit a short skirt though. Quote: Ok, let's not go back to the same pattern before you will need to apologise again after a full page. Oh don't worry, I shouldn't have let it get to insult exchanging, that was just pointless and won't be happening again. Quote: Guy, you started with spamming this thread with off topic rubbish. What makes you think you get to ask "serious" questions after a page and a half of being bounced off the walls by Revan Neferis? Go post a new thread and ask these things, don't try playing the "sensible poster" after a failed derail attempt its just sad How can you derail a thread that was offtopic from the start. Chipmo tried to start a court, one side hadn't agreed to it, court over the rest of the thread has been as pointless as the start. Great way to kill time though. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Sorus Chatelain Amarr Sacred Ring of Sarum	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Caellach Marellus How can you derail a thread that was offtopic from the start. Chipmo tried to start a court, one side hadn't agreed to it, court over the rest of the thread has been as pointless as the start. Great way to kill time though. Electus Matari have some pretty terrible posters. Why don't you go and troll CAOD instead its closer to your level.
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:51:00 - [75] Edited by: Caellach Marellus on 21/05/2010 19:51:29 Originally by: Sorus Chatelain Originally by: Caellach Marellus How can you derail a thread that was offtopic from the start. Chipmo tried to start a court, one side hadn't agreed to it, court over the rest of the thread has been as pointless as the start. Great way to kill time though. Electus Matari have some pretty terrible posters. Why don't you go and troll CAOD instead its closer to your level. I think we've found you a new bootlicker Revan dear -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Sorus Chatelain Amarr Sacred Ring of Sarum	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:56:00 - [76] Originally by: Caellach Marellus I think we've found you a new bootlicker Revan dear Because everyone who disagrees with you trolling an IGS thread in lame rage posts is a "bootlicker" right? Everyone who thinks that you should just ignore threads you don't like rather than spamming rubbish all over them? Maybe you think it would be reasonable for people to spam post over Electus Matari threads because they think you are Republic bootlickers? Get a clue you idiot.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:59:00 - [77] * reclines at her chair with an expensive Opus-x between her lips and a flute of Gallente Champagne in hands, observing the show * Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Caellach Marellus Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:01:00 - [78] Originally by: Sorus Chatelain Originally by: Caellach Marellus I think we've found you a new bootlicker Revan dear Because everyone who disagrees with you trolling an IGS thread in lame rage posts is a "bootlicker" right? Everyone who thinks that you should just ignore threads you don't like rather than spamming rubbish all over them? Maybe you think it would be reasonable for people to spam post over Electus Matari threads because they think you are Republic bootlickers? Get a clue you idiot. I think in this one post I just understood Revan more than in any of her own. I see the attraction in it all for you now Neferis. Thank you Amarrian, you've been most enlightening. -------------------------------------- All commentary unless explicitly stated remains the personal views of Caellach Marellus and do not necessarily represent that of his Corporation or Alliance
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:26:00 - [79] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/05/2010 20:27:04 Originally by: Sorus Chatelain Electus Matari have some pretty terrible posters. Was browsing around a bit to check the accuracy of this information. I've fond their posts to be just pretty much overall level, juvenile and non interesting. Let's see if the one participating here will higher the standards from now on. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:45:00 - [80] Originally by: Blanche Genevre But that's not why I'm here, I'd like to ask Chimpo for an interview about the case. I'm sure we can sort something out. I will contact you via Eve Mail soon. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Kor Shivat Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:55:00 - [81] Originally by: Subspecie Originally by: Kor Shivat While defendant's actions have probably enhanced the plaintiff's reputation rather than harmed it, I nevertheless suggest filing an amended brief which does not concede plaintiff's reputation was unaffected by the alleged defamation. Otherwise, you are correct about one thing: this would be a very quick case, after all. The Crime per se was committed and the amount of damage reparation requested both in emotional and physical demands in value of inter-stellar currency. It means that the case per se exists because there was, in the mind of the plaintiff, a damage caused by the accused. This renders the case, a very quick case and indisputable. Let me remind you that the basic idea of defamation law is simple, it is an attempt to balance the private right to protect one's reputation with the public right to freedom of speech. Let me remind you that the venue is named Civil Court of New Providence, and that this is an action between two private parties, not a private party and the state (as one might further derive from the title of the case). The proper terminology for this action is "Tort" and not "Crime." Let me also remind you, yet again, that the basic idea of defamation law requires an actual harm to reputation. If you wish to propose that the harm was emotional damage suffered by the plaintiff, then the complaint is not for defamation but "intentional infliction of emotional distress." If you would like to amend the original complaint to said different tort, by all means. Sticking with defamation until such amendment, it is not difficult to assert harm to reputation. "Plaintiff has suffered a harm to her reputation, among members of corporations and alliances to which she belongs, by being associated with the practice of slavery, which said corporations and alliances fervently oppose." There, I did it for you. The Civil Court may now reconcile the briefs with the authorities and issue an opinion as to whether or not the tort of defamation has been proven. If you have a link to New Providence case law on the contours of defamation, it would surely be invaluable to the court in rendering said opinion.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 21:14:00 - [82] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/05/2010 21:14:48 A brief observation: my attorney is Jasmine Constantine and everything said here from the lips of third parties who decides to play attorneys and prosecutors of their own accord are absolutely rendered null, other than for entertainment purposes. I know my charges, My Attorney knows how to proceed. Thats pretty simple really. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Vaarun Amarr Imperio Obscura	Posted - 2010.05.21 22:13:00 - [83] Originally by: Aurora Morgan Originally by: ChipMo Defamation of character. Invasion of privacy and stalking (Intellectual & Physical). Use of false testimony regarding myself[Revan Neferis] as a slaver. Sansha's Nation are attacking and _this_ is considered important enough to bring up in court? Why did even 'Archbishop' agree to bring this farce up? The Archbiship's participation to in this "court" was never a condition for it to proceed. This merry troupe has written their little skit long ago, complete with ending, and now they want to act it out for us. Maybe if they put a tin cup on the sidwalk some passerbys might drop a few coins in it. "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Subspecie Minmatar Crusaders Transcendancy	Posted - 2010.05.21 22:22:00 - [84] Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/05/2010 21:14:48 A brief observation: my attorney is Jasmine Constantine and everything said here from the lips of third parties who decides to play attorneys and prosecutors of their own accord are absolutely rendered null, other than for entertainment purposes. I know my charges, My Attorney knows how to proceed. Thats pretty simple really. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Lady Thrice-Illustrious, rest assured that it's not my intention to imply any specific knowledge here other than generalities about the terms. On that note, To kor, Defamation of character is a catchall term that includes accusations of slander (spoken derogatory comments) or libel (written derogatory comments). What are elements necessary to prove defamation of character? - Show that there was a false statement made about you. Generally, to prove defamation of character, you must show that someone made a statement of fact about you and that statement was untrue and not privileged. This is the first thing that the Lady Thrice-Illustrious have done by pointing the "slave" term, to which the accused quickly fell victim of his own mistakes by admitting guilty. -Establish that the statement was relayed to a third party. It isn't enough that the untrue statement was said, it must also have been conveyed or published to others and understood to be about you. That's quite clear. He has his public records published here at IGS for everyone's perusal. Including his apology, aka, admittance of guilty as charged. - Public evidence showing that the statement caused harm. Considering that a great portion of the accused posts are directly connected with the plaintiff's personal life, it's of obvious conclusion that this point is largely covered. The harm was personal, damage reparations were therefore requested ( apology and isk value ) even if to the public's eyes the accused have ( literally) shot himself middle of his face and caused an increase on the plaintiff's public reputation instead of a decline. But that is a post consequence of the harm and unintentional by the accused, after the intentional harm been done, making the plaintiff seek legal justice and reparations. As I said, a very quick case.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.21 23:55:00 - [85] Originally by: Subspecie Lady Thrice-Illustrious, rest assured that it's not my intention to imply any specific knowledge here other than generalities about the terms. Noted. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.05.22 05:30:00 - [86] Edited by: Lord Murkon on 22/05/2010 05:31:17 Revan indicated to me earlier that she had ordered her slaves released. While I was willing to take her at her word someone has pointed out some information to me that is very interesting and seems to refute what Revan had said. Originally by: Revan Neferis It's known by all that at Posted - 2010.01.01 06:59:00 - [191] a public declaration of me was made regarding the case: "No more souls are required. And from this day on every slave reaching my hands will be released " Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik But here, a full week later, I was told there was another post by Revan that puts that claim into doubt. Revan here admits she's not releasing all of her slaves immediately and provides no timeline. She also states she's more concerned about her families business efforts then the slaves freedom. Revan admits she's not releasing all of her slaves right away. Originally by: Revan Neferis Posted - 2010.01.07 13:42:00 This is correct. There is no place for such part of our culture into the new age. As I have stated, best policy for Amarr is starting to replace this livestock for other alternative methods. I have declared elsewhere that on top of freeing One hundred thousand slaves this week, every slave that comes to House Neferi's hands shall be released henceforth. Slave farms belonging to my family all over new Eden are being shut down, slowly as to not affect our pre-set business. I have to admit when this was pointed out to me I had to ask myself how slowly is slowly? Also Revan has in the past said she owns considerably more then 100,000 slaves but that is all she says she is releasing that week. Where are the rest of them? One does wonder. I fail to find any kind of posting by Revan stating she is finally 100% slave free. Perhaps she would be able to point me to the thread where she finally announces she is 100% slave free and all of her slave farms are finally closed down. Knowing the type of work involved in managing large quantities of slaves I have serious doubts that she could do it all in five months given how large and expansive her claimed realm of wealth is. Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.22 05:46:00 - [87] Originally by: Lord Murkon But here, a full week later, I was told there was another post by Revan that puts that claim into doubt. Revan here admits she's not releasing all of her slaves immediately and provides no timeline. She also states she's more concerned about her families business efforts then the slaves freedom. Revan admits she's not releasing all of her slaves right away. Originally by: Revan Neferis Posted - 2010.01.07 13:42:00 This is correct. There is no place for such part of our culture into the new age. As I have stated, best policy for Amarr is starting to replace this livestock for other alternative methods. I have declared elsewhere that on top of freeing One hundred thousand slaves this week, every slave that comes to House Neferi's hands shall be released henceforth. Slave farms belonging to my family all over new Eden are being shut down, slowly as to not affect our pre-set business. This is certainly damning information. I'm on my way to monestary on Chaven for the weekend but I'm glad I dropped by to see how the latest Star Fraction PR event was going. Given this overwhelming evidence I have to conclude I based my earlier apology on false information. Revan presented herself as having released all her slaves on 1.1 but obviously that wasn't the case. In the absence of any evidence that her slave farms are closed down or evidence as to the whereabouts of the hundreds of thousands of other slaves she owned I have to conclude she is still a "slaver". I'm looking forward to returning from the monestary in a few days to read all about the Star Fraction court and Revans latest PR scheme. I'm sure it'll be entertaining and I can't wait to read the verdict which I'm quite sure has already been written. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.22 12:17:00 - [88] Edited by: ChipMo on 22/05/2010 12:21:13 If you do not present your defense (or at least, have someone do it for you) in court I cannot take it into consideration. Edit: Likewise, if you, or a representative of yours is not there to refute invalid or out of context evidence... it will be accepted. This is not PR, or bias on our part, it is the inevitable result of you refusing to defend yourself. No verdict has been written and you will still have opportunity to join proceedings right up to the start of the case. If you choose not to take advantage of that then that is your own fault. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.22 12:32:00 - [89] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 22/05/2010 12:36:06 Originally by: Archbishop Originally by: Lord Murkon But here, a full week later, I was told there was another post by Revan that puts that claim into doubt. Revan here admits she's not releasing all of her slaves immediately and provides no timeline. She also states she's more concerned about her families business efforts then the slaves freedom. Revan admits she's not releasing all of her slaves right away. Originally by: Revan Neferis Posted - 2010.01.07 13:42:00 This is correct. There is no place for such part of our culture into the new age. As I have stated, best policy for Amarr is starting to replace this livestock for other alternative methods. I have declared elsewhere that on top of freeing One hundred thousand slaves this week, every slave that comes to House Neferi's hands shall be released henceforth. Slave farms belonging to my family all over new Eden are being shut down, slowly as to not affect our pre-set business. This is certainly damning information. I'm on my way to monestary on Chaven for the weekend but I'm glad I dropped by to see how the latest Star Fraction PR event was going. Given this overwhelming evidence I have to conclude I based my earlier apology on false information. Revan presented herself as having released all her slaves on 1.1 but obviously that wasn't the case. In the absence of any evidence that her slave farms are closed down or evidence as to the whereabouts of the hundreds of thousands of other slaves she owned I have to conclude she is still a "slaver". I'm looking forward to returning from the monestary in a few days to read all about the Star Fraction court and Revans latest PR scheme. I'm sure it'll be entertaining and I can't wait to read the verdict which I'm quite sure has already been written. Archbishop Silly worm. I said all my personal slaves coming to my hands henceforth would be released immediately and all my slave farms would be shut down. Unless you preferred me to burn them alive witch would be must faster approach. Is that your SPC standard? Try again worm, that was the silliest attempt of all. Learn to read before you try to write. No wonder the public opinion are mocking you all around. See you in court, or not. For someone who gave several declarations of how this was not concerning you it seems like you are spending a considerable amount of time trying to defend your case here. I'm waiting with baited breath your defense with all evidence of my "planetary" slave farms You're getting desperate. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Subspecie Minmatar Crusaders Transcendancy	Posted - 2010.05.22 13:08:00 - [90] Edited by: Subspecie on 22/05/2010 13:09:47 Originally by: Lord Murkon Originally by: Revan Neferis It's known by all that at Posted - 2010.01.01 06:59:00 - [191] a public declaration of me was made regarding the case: "No more souls are required. And from this day on every slave reaching my hands will be released " Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Revan here admits she's not releasing all of her slaves immediately and provides no timeline. She also states she's more concerned about her families business efforts then the slaves freedom. Revan admits she's not releasing all of her slaves right away. Originally by: Revan Neferis Posted - 2010.01.07 13:42:00 This is correct. There is no place for such part of our culture into the new age. As I have stated, best policy for Amarr is starting to replace this livestock for other alternative methods. I have declared elsewhere that on top of freeing One hundred thousand slaves this week, every slave that comes to House Neferi's hands shall be released henceforth. Slave farms belonging to my family all over new Eden are being shut down, slowly as to not affect our pre-set business. Lord Murkon Wait, Tell me that I'm dreaming and not reading this. Are you trying to help or condemn the accused? Did you just come here to post evidence that Revan Neferis not only released all her slaves but ALSO extended the offer to her family business? Slave farms belonging to my family all over new Eden And are you using this to defend yourself and further slandering Revan by saying that the words " BELONGING TO MY FAMILY" don't exist???? I can't believe my eyes, did you really try to do this? Revan is right, you must be the worst kind of person ever to step in a pod. Shameful and disgraceful Archbishop and Murkon; You're scum.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.22 13:16:00 - [91] Originally by: Subspecie Wait, Tell me that I'm dreaming and not reading this. Are you trying to help or condemn the accused? When I say that I lack enemies with brains... But yes, I'm sure that Jasmine already added that to our case against him... * sighs * And the worst is that he's not making a special effort today, he's always that stupid. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Subspecie Minmatar Crusaders Transcendancy	Posted - 2010.05.22 13:31:00 - [92] Edited by: Subspecie on 22/05/2010 13:31:58 Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Subspecie Wait, Tell me that I'm dreaming and not reading this. Are you trying to help or condemn the accused? When I say that I lack enemies with brains... But yes, I'm sure that Jasmine already added that to our case against him... * sighs * And the worst is that he's not making a special effort today, he's always that stupid. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik It's really shocking. 1- A man is accused of murder. 2 - He says he has murdered and apologised for the murder in a public venue. 3- The accuser says his apology isn't valid unless done officially in trial. 4- The man says he is above any laws and ignores any trials. 5- Next, in a super-man move the man appears with the muder weapon in hands and shoot the victim again in public. WHAT THE HELL. 1- Revan Neferis accuses Archbishop of slander and false testemony among others. 2- Archbishop confesses the slander and apologises publicly. 3- Revan Neferis says his apology isn't valid unless done officially in trial. 4- Archbishop says he is above any laws and ignores any trials. 5- Next, in a super-man move Archbishop appears calling Revan again a slaver and presenting FALSE TESTIMONY (doing the very thing he's being accused of)
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.22 13:37:00 - [93] Originally by: Subspecie Next, in a super-man move Archbishop appears calling Revan again a slaver and presenting FALSE TESTIMONY (doing the very thing he's being accused of) That's my enemy... Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Punx Evangeline Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.22 14:02:00 - [94] Archbishop, I will be the first to admit I'm new to the cluster, but even a blind person can see that you have an unhealthy obsession with Lady Neferis and the Star Fraction. Look deep down inside and ask yourself: What is the source of this obsession? Is this obsession healthy? Is there anything better that you could do with your time? -Punx
Captain Blauvelt Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.22 17:42:00 - [95] Edited by: Captain Blauvelt on 22/05/2010 17:43:41 Originally by: Punx Evangeline Archbishop, I will be the first to admit I'm new to the cluster, but even a blind person can see that you have an unhealthy obsession with Lady Neferis and the Star Fraction. Look deep down inside and ask yourself: What is the source of this obsession? Is this obsession healthy? Is there anything better that you could do with your time? -Punx Holy crap. Take your time to read through his past 100 posts at least. Try to find some where the name Revan isn't there. what the... is wrong with this Archbishop chap. Maybe his lawyer should allege unhealthy obsession turned into psychosis. Archbishop, I'll side with Punx. Maybe you need some sort of medical treatment to help you to overcome this. Maybe the time you're spending obsessing and harassing this person's life is just a simple subconscious maneuver to avoid dealing with your own life? 1. Are you happy with yourself? 2. Are you having trouble with friends/family? 3. Do you have meaningful relationships? 4. Do you live a life of mediocrity? 5. Did you believe you would be at a different place in your life by now? 6. Do you think that Revan as a celebrity must possess a certain special something to be where she is which you do not possess? Once you have solved that mystery about your own psyche, you will find much healthier things to focus your energies on and live a much more rewarding life.
Tempus Iskander Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2010.05.22 21:27:00 - [96] Originally by: Captain Blauvelt Edited by: Captain Blauvelt on 22/05/2010 17:43:41 Originally by: Punx Evangeline Archbishop, I will be the first to admit I'm new to the cluster, but even a blind person can see that you have an unhealthy obsession with Lady Neferis and the Star Fraction. Look deep down inside and ask yourself: What is the source of this obsession? Is this obsession healthy? Is there anything better that you could do with your time? -Punx Holy crap. Take your time to read through his past 100 posts at least. Try to find some where the name Revan isn't there. what the... is wrong with this Archbishop chap. Maybe his lawyer should allege unhealthy obsession turned into psychosis. Archbishop, I'll side with Punx. Maybe you need some sort of medical treatment to help you to overcome this. Maybe the time you're spending obsessing and harassing this person's life is just a simple subconscious maneuver to avoid dealing with your own life? 1. Are you happy with yourself? 2. Are you having trouble with friends/family? 3. Do you have meaningful relationships? 4. Do you live a life of mediocrity? 5. Did you believe you would be at a different place in your life by now? 6. Do you think that Revan as a celebrity must possess a certain special something to be where she is which you do not possess? Once you have solved that mystery about your own psyche, you will find much healthier things to focus your energies on and live a much more rewarding life. Any regular reader of this forum will know that Archbishop is stuck on this obsession full time now, and its been that way for years. He really doesn't have anything else to say is the bitter truth of it. Washed up churchman with a broken corp and a hatful of whiskey to drown the sorrows. The real tragedy is that in Eve he can't even die, just re-cloned time and time again to keep suffering the weight of his failures until doomsday. ___________________________ Without fear and without reproach
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.05.22 22:05:00 - [97] Originally by: Subspecie Wait, Tell me that I'm dreaming and not reading this. Are you trying to help or condemn the accused? Did you just come here to post evidence that Revan Neferis not only released all her slaves but ALSO extended the offer to her family business? Slave farms belonging to my family all over new Eden And are you using this to defend yourself and further slandering Revan by saying that the words " BELONGING TO MY FAMILY" don't exist???? I can't believe my eyes, did you really try to do this? Revan is right, you must be the worst kind of person ever to step in a pod. Shameful and disgraceful Archbishop and Murkon; You're scum. Actually Subspecie you have proved the point I was making. I actually did notice "family" when I posted above. Let me explain. Revan claims she is the "Sovereign", the leader of her family, the representatitve of the Sani Sabik and House Neferi. Thus she runs her family. She makes the statement that every slave coming into House Neferi hands will be freed thus she certainly claims she has authority over her "house" and has ultimate power to release all slaves owned by her family. After all if she didn't have the authority to speak for her family she wouldn't claim to be able to order them all to release their slaves would she? Of course not. Thus the point is proven. As I understand it Archbishop has retired for a couple days of rest at the Monestary on Chaven. As he already assumes the verdict in this "case" has been written he doesn't put much stake in a court run by those in the Star Fraction given their history. When I spoke with him before departure he was laughing and saying he couldn't wait to see the results of the latest, what did he call it, "PR stunt" by the Star Fraction. I will say Subspecie for a newly licensed pod pilot with no posting history you certainly have some strong opinions. I've also noticed you consistently post after Revan post supporting her position and that this court topic is the only posting history you have (ever). Coincidently I notice a trend here looking at some of the other posters as well who seem to "support" Revan. Posting histories full of Sani Sabik references and support of Star Fractiona and Revan. Noting what Jade Constantine has said in the past about "proxies" I'm surprised she hasn't chimed in here accusing you of being one. I of course an not that paranoid I'm just noticing that Jade's "proxy identification patrol" seems to be off duty. Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.22 22:35:00 - [98] The case in currently in session in YWS0-Z system in Providence. If you wish to speak in your masters defense you should probably be here rather typing empty excuses on galnet Murkon. Buy Justice!
Ninusi UbarSarum Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.05.22 22:58:00 - [99] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine The case in currently in session in YWS0-Z system in Providence. If you wish to speak in your masters defense you should probably be here rather typing empty excuses on galnet Murkon. Jasmine, My lord is very busy helping me with the Lean on Me Program. Please do not bother him anymore, would you? We are trying to help people in need. If you care for the people of New Eden, please take your starship and fly to those who lost their family in the Sansha attacks and give them a hand. Is helping these people not more important than a court case? If you don't want to help and continue to disturb my Lord, then I think you are a pretty mean person.
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:56:00 - [100] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine The case in currently in session in YWS0-Z system in Providence. If you wish to speak in your masters defense you should probably be here rather typing empty excuses on galnet Murkon. You operate from the assumption that people consider this a credible "court". There is no need for a defense because there is no case. There is a PR event so the Star Fraction can get itself in the news again. Your sham Star Fraction court with its prewritten script really isn't fooling anybody. The CCCNP lost all credibility the minute it took Revan's money and violated it's own rules about setting a court date. When the CCCNP did that it went from being a court to a purchased soapbox for "grandstanding" and nothing more. Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:59:00 - [101] Originally by: Lord Murkon You operate from the assumption that people consider this a credible "court". "People" do. Its not my problem that you are a dung beetle. Buy Justice!
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Sins Of Lost Souls Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:08:00 - [102] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Lord Murkon You operate from the assumption that people consider this a credible "court". "People" do. Its not my problem that you are a dung beetle. Last I checked Capsuleers really aren't people now are we? "People" are those poor souls with their two feet locked on the ground and no power over the stars... Anyways, I like the little PR stunt you guys have, who knew the "court" could be bought so quickly and that it would fall apart so nicely for all to see. I bet this will show up on the weekly news soon on how the "court" has fallen apart or got blown up by some angry group or whatnot. It's sad to see SF fall so far...but then again, with a leader like Jade who has become such a hypocrite and the shadow governor, self proclaimed empress of nothing, Revan, what could you expect... ahahahahaha ------------------- To bring equality to the world, if your character is female then you will now have a female corpse when podkilled.. What will CCP think of next?
Subspecie Minmatar Crusaders Transcendancy	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:58:00 - [103] Edited by: Subspecie on 23/05/2010 09:58:55 Originally by: Tempus Iskander Any regular reader of this forum will know that Archbishop is stuck on this obsession full time now, and its been that way for years. He really doesn't have anything else to say is the bitter truth of it. Washed up churchman with a broken corp and a hatful of whiskey to drown the sorrows. The real tragedy is that in Eve he can't even die, just re-cloned time and time again to keep suffering the weight of his failures until doomsday. The real tragedy is that this is so apparent to everyone and it hits the eye with every post he and his proxy makes. The tragedy of an obsessed life must be his eternal curse. Originally by: Lord Murkon Posting histories full of Sani Sabik references and support of Star Fractiona and Revan. You talking about proxies is almost the irony of the year. As if half of the cluster wouldn't know yet that Archbishop and you are the epitome of such example. You come here defending yourself in the mirror and have the balls to refer to point to your own flaw? Lady Neferis is right to put your capacity to think at stake. At any case, I'm fully prepared to defend the legitimacy of my pod license...but wait. Knowing that you are a liar wouldn't be really new at this point when everyone reading this thread know more than ever that you are incapable of communicating and living a clear and honest life. By the way: Originally by: Lord Murkon Revan claims she is the "Sovereign", the leader of her family As far as the whole Universe knows, her title clearly estates: Thrice Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik You were caught again presenting false testimony. But that wouldn't be something new right? I take it that the court's verdict will be presented to the public in detail in a new thread so I'll be following IGS with great interest.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:42:00 - [104] Originally by: Subspecie Originally by: Lord Murkon Revan claims she is the "Sovereign", the leader of her family As far as the whole Universe knows, her title clearly estates: Thrice Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik The question you should be asking is who bestowed that title on her. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Subspecie Minmatar Crusaders Transcendancy	Posted - 2010.05.23 12:37:00 - [105] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Subspecie Originally by: Lord Murkon Revan claims she is the "Sovereign", the leader of her family As far as the whole Universe knows, her title clearly estates: Thrice Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik The question you should be asking is who bestowed that title on her. The question you should be asking is if it's valid to sink your reputation even further by clogging galnet with the same shame and idiotic nit picking obsession that archbishop has been accused of in front of a full galnet audience. Is it something new to you that capsuleers who holds administrative executor powers are able to assign Titles and ranks to themselves and their comrades? Was this really an attempt to come here as Archbishop's copy relay machine and look terribly stupid? If yes, you sir, have succeeded.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.23 12:58:00 - [106] Originally by: Subspecie The question you should be asking is if it's valid to sink your reputation even further by clogging galnet with the same shame and idiotic nit picking obsession that archbishop has been accused of in front of a full galnet audience. Is it something new to you that capsuleers who holds administrative executor powers are able to assign Titles and ranks to themselves and their comrades? Was this really an attempt to come here as Archbishop's copy relay machine and look terribly stupid? If yes, you sir, have succeeded. An unsurprising response from someone who spent nearly two years in the Bloodveil corp. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Subspecie Minmatar Crusaders Transcendancy	Posted - 2010.05.23 13:07:00 - [107] Originally by: Rodj Blake An unsurprising response from someone who spent nearly two years in the Bloodveil corp. Of course, If I had spent at least one minute inside PIE Inc, I'd have become an obsessive worthless galnet stalker like you and yours right? I'm glad that I was spared of this disgrace during my life as a capsuleer and have learnt honesty instead of idiocy and deceit. I'm also glad to see this thread becoming a warning to any new capsuleers who may indulge the thought of becoming part of your corporation and what they represent, a bunch galnet stalkers with a reputation for obsession, lies and a very low QI level indulging in all kinds of desperate attempt to be smart and failing terribly at that.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.23 13:15:00 - [108] Leave the worthless worms subspecie, there's no need to beat a dead horse. PIE Inc has buried it's last final breath of reputation here in this very thread. Their own words speaks for themselves on this regard. The court procedures has been completed and I'm sure that a full declaration by the Court's official will be given soon on this regard. That's all that is needed to be known at this point. This said, welcome back to space, it's good to see an old friend returning to the capsuleer life. You're more than welcome to seek attendance to the temple again if you so desire. Many of our old friends are also back, Jahandar, Lord Tavi among others. You'd be very welcome here. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.05.23 13:46:00 - [109] Originally by: Subspecie You talking about proxies is almost the irony of the year. As if half of the cluster wouldn't know yet that Archbishop and you are the epitome of such example. You come here defending yourself in the mirror and have the balls to refer to point to your own flaw? I wasn't accusing you of being a proxy I was merely stating it's odd that Jade hasn't flown out here with her "proxy detector" and claimed you are one. She has quite a history of doing that you know... calling people proxies when she doesn't like what they're posting. I'm just saying if you are as old as your employment history claims I find it quite amazing that you've never seen fit to post anywhere in Eve until now. If I was Jade Constantine I'd think you were a proxy (but I'm not Jade so I won't accuse you of something like that). Proxies are pretty easy to spot anyway when they have no posting history and suddenly leap into a conversation with totally one sided opinions. I don't need to accuse anyone when I think they're a proxy I just sit back and let them prove it themselves. It isn't exactly hard to miss. Originally by: Subspecie Originally by: Lord Murkon Revan claims she is the "Sovereign", the leader of her family As far as the whole Universe knows, her title clearly estates: Thrice Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik You were caught again presenting false testimony. But that wouldn't be something new right? What testimony? This isn't a court this is a public forum where everyone sees everything. Revan has long claimed to run "her estates" and be the ruler of House Neferi. Are you saying Revan is not the ruler of House Neferi? If not then how could so claim to have ordered the release of all her families slaves? Answer? Originally by: Subspecie I take it that the court's verdict will be presented to the public in detail in a new thread so I'll be following IGS with great interest. Another Star Fraction/Revan thread. Well I'm not really surprised. You guys do like the attention so whats a few dozen more "look at us" forum posts to clog up IGS. Still it's unfortunate. This court could've actually accomplished something and gained credibility in the pod-pilot community. Instead the minute ChipMo agreed to toss his rulebook out the window to hear a case involving his CEO's lover it was a lost cause. At least ChipMo had the courtesy to publically state if people want to buy the courts time to grandstand and spout opinions thats OK with him. He publically confirmed he hadn't started a court merely a soapbox you purchase by the hour. He'd have been better off following the rules he laid out in his opening post and establishing credibility. Now his "court" is exposed merely as another PR mechanism for the Star Fraction. Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.23 13:52:00 - [110] Originally by: Lord Murkon Now his "court" is exposed merely as another PR mechanism for the Star Fraction. Lord Murkon Ok...You are desperate. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:01:00 - [111] So Revan... are you the ruler of House Neferi? Lord Murkon SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:04:00 - [112] Originally by: Lord Murkon So Revan... Lord Murkon I'm starting to count your obsessive posts now to add to archbishops own delusional records. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Subspecie Minmatar Crusaders Transcendancy	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:09:00 - [113] Originally by: Lord Murkon Another Star Fraction/Revan thread. You need medical treatment.
Captain Blauvelt Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:13:00 - [114] Originally by: Subspecie Originally by: Lord Murkon Another Star Fraction/Revan thread. You need medical treatment. What he needs is called doomsheim.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:17:00 - [115] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine The case in currently in session in YWS0-Z system in Providence. If you wish to speak in your masters defense you should probably be here rather typing empty excuses on galnet Murkon. Where's the verdict?
Rosalund Shaw Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:30:00 - [116] /Throws rotten fruit and cabbages at Lord Murkon as he's drawn in chains towards madame guillotine.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.23 17:00:00 - [117] Edited by: ChipMo on 23/05/2010 17:05:01 Case N¦: 00001-112, Revan Neferis vs Archbishop. The charges here made against Archbishop have been found as follows: The charge of defamation û Guilty. The charge of invasion of privacy û Guilty. The charge of using false testimony to the detriment of Revan Neferis û Guilty. How we intend to proceed; first a document regarding the nature of the man known as ôArchbishopö will be drawn up and presented to the public to serve as a warning to all those who may have potential dealings with this man in future. Second, the CCCNP fully endorse any future action Revan Neferis may wish to undertake to persecute Archbishop for these offences have our backing and he will have no recourse against such action via the CCCNP. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.23 17:16:00 - [118] Originally by: ChipMo Edited by: ChipMo on 23/05/2010 17:05:01 Case N¦: 00001-112, Revan Neferis vs Archbishop. The charges here made against Archbishop have been found as follows: The charge of defamation û Guilty. The charge of invasion of privacy û Guilty. The charge of using false testimony to the detriment of Revan Neferis û Guilty. How we intend to proceed; first a document regarding the nature of the man known as ôArchbishopö will be drawn up and presented to the public to serve as a warning to all those who may have potential dealings with this man in future. Second, the CCCNP fully endorse any future action Revan Neferis may wish to undertake to persecute Archbishop for these offences have our backing and he will have no recourse against such action via the CCCNP. Will the public have access to the court session's transcripts?
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.23 22:21:00 - [119] A pleasure to return from a nice weekend at the monestary. Seeing the SFCCCNP has rendered it's verdict I'd like to comment. I myself apologized for calling Revan Neferis a "slaver" after she posted this: Originally by: Revan Neferis It's known by all that at Posted - 2010.01.01 06:59:00 - [191] a public declaration of me was made regarding the case: "No more souls are required. And from this day on every slave reaching my hands will be released " Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik I based this apology solely on Revans quote. It seems Revan didn't bother telling the "whole truth" to anyone however. You see one week after Revan claims to have released her slaves we find this post on IGS: Originally by: Revan Neferis Posted - 2010.01.07 13:42:00 I have declared elsewhere that on top of freeing One hundred thousand slaves this week, every slave that comes to House Neferi's hands shall be released henceforth. Slave farms belonging to my family all over new Eden are being shut down, slowly as to not affect our pre-set business. How slowly is slowly? She claimed she'd already done it. Now a week later she says she hadn't. Now it's very clear from years of postings here on IGS that Revan runs House Neferi. We all have seen her speak of "Neferis Estates" time and time again and her realm of influence. How else could she promise to release all the slaves of her House Neferi otherwise? Yet this second post over a week later clearly indicates she HAD NOT released all her slaves and isn't planning on it so her pre-set business isn't affected. Note she said OUR pre-set business indicating she knew very well what she was doing... SHE WAS CONTINUING TO USE SLAVES AFTER SHE SAID SHE FREED THEM. Given this obvious evidence that Revan has lied about releasing her slaves I must say I feel deceived. I apologized as an act of honesty (the Amarrian way). Given this new evidence I obviously withdraw said apology as it was solicited by Revan based on the FALSE PRETENSE that she had released her slaves. Clearly this was an intentional deception on her part. A deception designed to do two things. 1. Trick me into apologizing by making it appear she had released her slaves. 2. Attempt to convince everyone she's not a slaver. As the Matriarch of her family it's clear she is responsible for the continued use of slaves long after her statement of 1.1 above. Her use of "OUR" clearly proves that she orchestrated and approved of the use of slaves after trying to pass off to the public she had freed them. Given this revelation it would appear calling her a slaver was and is completely appropriate. By providing the medium for this deception by Revan to the rest of Eve the Star Fraction via their "court" have again reminded us of their long relationship with a slaver. A relationship that has gone much further back then the five months from 1.1. That of course makes one ask why is the Star Fraction supporting a slaver at all? Obviously this "court" had one purpose. To fuel the obsession of the anarchists with an Amarrian who had called them out on their repeated hypocrisy. I must consider myself fortunate that I recognized this so-called "court" as just another anarchist antic. When they violated their own rules and set a court date it was pretty obvious what was going on. Had I been persuaded to show up for their "trial" I'm sure the outcome would've been the same. Now that this new evidence of Revan lying about releasing slaves is in the public eye it's clear we have another Star Fraction PR stunt gone wrong. Yes it's been a very nice weekend indeed. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.23 22:51:00 - [120] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 23/05/2010 22:53:56 Originally by: ChipMo Case N¦: 00001-112, Revan Neferis vs Archbishop. The charges here made against Archbishop have been found as follows: The charge of defamation û Guilty. The charge of invasion of privacy û Guilty. The charge of using false testimony to the detriment of Revan Neferis û Guilty. How we intend to proceed; first a document regarding the nature of the man known as ôArchbishopö will be drawn up and presented to the public to serve as a warning to all those who may have potential dealings with this man in future. Second, the CCCNP fully endorse any future action Revan Neferis may wish to undertake to persecute Archbishop for these offences have our backing and he will have no recourse against such action via the CCCNP. Excellent Chipmo, I believe that CCCNP's documents will be a very important source of information to actual and future generations of capsuleers. A warning to avoid pothers to fall potential victims of this sick perverted man who doesn't have limits to his obsession, as anyone who are readers of this forum can clearly see by simply browsing his history of posts. As it stands, it seems like his obsession is incurable and no measure of humiliation, warnings and public disgust towards his behaviour will make him see light of reason. It's unfortunate, but his obsession has no bounds. May the documents reproduce the trials on its extend details and the verdict and punishment be clear on its intention. And I can only hope that this madman will not make others, victim of his constant harassment. I thank CCCNP for serving justice in a case that was very much self-evident to all IGS readers who knows the lengths of eternal obsession that this individual has fallen into. I may in advance state that it seems like the convicted man is a sick person affected by his obsession and deviant behaviour who shows himself to be willing to embark now into recurrence of the crimes he has been charged guilty. If that's the case I'll require the services of this court to escalate punishment towards himself and his institution. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.23 23:04:00 - [121] Archbishop: What purpose does it serve to continue to shout your defence from the outside of a court that you claim have no juristiction over you? Your participation in this thread has only served to legitimize the accusations against you. You may want to replace a few positions in your communications department.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 01:03:00 - [122] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Will the public have access to the court session's transcripts? Yes, secretary Wrongsides is compiling them at the moment. I believe he will post them over the next few days. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Sins Of Lost Souls Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 01:55:00 - [123] I'm just wondering one thing...in order to prosecute someone in a court...doesnt the accused need to be present at the trial in order for him to place a defence? Or is it that you guys got payed enough ISK that you decided to proceed with the trial using a mock defence in his stead, because as far as I've seen Archboshop didnt even agree to this "trial" especially after in your opening thread of CCCNP you stated that trials would only be held if both parties involved agreed to show up and/or send proxies. Sounds to me like you not only broke all of your rules in order to have your first case, but showed once again that Star Fraction have become nothing but hypocrites. Its sad how far you guys have fallen, from the once glorious freedom fighters to the now hypocritical mini-tyrants preaching lies. Where has the anarchy gone? ------------------- To bring equality to the world, if your character is female then you will now have a female corpse when podkilled.. What will CCP think of next?
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 02:09:00 - [124] Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Blanche Genevre Will the public have access to the court session's transcripts? Yes, secretary Wrongsides is compiling them at the moment. I believe he will post them over the next few days. Thank you, I'm sure that it'll reveal interesting aspects from this case. The charges are heavy and for someone to be found guilty is an important matter for us to know. As it stands, the convicted should be avoided by all costs if we are to protect ourselves against such harassment.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.24 05:26:00 - [125] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Blanche Genevre Will the public have access to the court session's transcripts? Yes, secretary Wrongsides is compiling them at the moment. I believe he will post them over the next few days. Thank you, I'm sure that it'll reveal interesting aspects from this case. The charges are heavy and for someone to be found guilty is an important matter for us to know. As it stands, the convicted should be avoided by all costs if we are to protect ourselves against such harassment. I believe that this thread itself and his own posture on IGS along the years have been paving this warning long enough. The court just brought it to people's attention into a compact form. Of course it's very useful to the general audience to see the details of prosecution. Revan Neferis Thrice-illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Mra Rednu Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 06:30:00 - [126] Such a shame..... I truely thought more of you than this Chipmo, this could of been a good inititive, a court of arbitration but alas the first time you convene you're it, it shows itself for what it is a circus comprising of attention seekers and frekshow acts where you will even break the terms of you're own court thus making the ruling null and void and just a joke. Quote: If both parties involved in a common dispute agree to abide by the ruling of the CCCNP we will set a court date So, this ruling is not valid by you're own rules, not a suprise this court failed at it's first session but a shame, this could of been a decent way ot solve petty distputes but alas courts should be neutral and this one never could of been now could it...... Such a shame......you were used and malipulated this way, or were you just the court jester.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.24 06:38:00 - [127] Originally by: Mra Rednu Such a shame..... Such a shame......you were used and malipulated this way, or were you just the court jester. Mra Rednu Amarr PIE Inc Warning: PIE Inc. This institution harbours a convicted criminal charged Guilty for crimes of Defamation, Invasion of privacy and False testimony. Make sure to follow this thread to pinpoint each of their members as they are arriving here en masse to be identified and therefore scrutinized and branded with the same stamp. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 07:19:00 - [128] Given the biased and prejudiced nature of this shoddy little court, the only thing surprising about the verdict is that it didn't also find Archbishop guilty of eating babies or something equally ludicrous. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 07:58:00 - [129] The Implications of this verdict is exactly nothing. Given the premise that the æindependent court which wields only the power invested in it by the parties of the disputeÆ by default, have no jurisdiction over Archbishop, or any other accused who chooses not to recognize the CCCNPÆs service for any reason. The proceeding transcripts will in any case be interesting to review though, as it should be independently verifiable or the opposite. As such people can form their own opinion upon review, under consideration that no counterarguments were put forth. The verdict and the venue that arrived at that, carries no weight in itself.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.24 10:08:00 - [130] Originally by: Rodj Blake Given the biased and prejudiced nature of this shoddy little court, the only thing surprising about the verdict is that it didn't also find Archbishop guilty of eating babies or something equally ludicrous. The charges he has been found guilty has been easily verified by his own galnet history. As a matter of fact, the case was was plain simple. All that the prosecution had to do, as any reader of IGS can repeat the steps is follow the criminal's own track to arrive to the very same evidences. I'm absolutely sure that the following premise would be accurate if considering some other obsessive stalkers here, coincidently from the very same organization. A very simple passage that I can easily recollect from the trials explains the case very well: Jasmine Constantine > /emote stands up and spreads her hands in mock despair at this! Jasmine Constantine > This man ôarchbishopö is probably the most inept liar on Galnet. He leaves a paper-trial of guilt behind him in every thread. His massive obsessive conduct together with his peers makes him a dream to any prosecutor . Jasmine will pardon me for giving her such an obvious self-evident case. Was like having the accused itself pledging guilty at every 5 seconds of his past years of galnet exclusive only miserable life. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:40:00 - [131] Good afternoon patrons of the Intergalactic Summit. I am here to present the transcript from this case as recorded from: --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('solarsystemid2', 30003705),) Channel Name: Local Listener: Wrongsides Session started: 2010.05.22 21:56:43 --------------------------------------------------------------- The case proceeded as follows: Originally by: Introduction [ 2010.05.22 21:56:55 ] Wrongsides > Good evening YWS0-Z [ 2010.05.22 21:57:21 ] Wrongsides > To whom it may concern the channel CCCNP Court One is now open [ 2010.05.22 21:57:40 ] Wrongsides > Please feel free to join and make yourselves comfortable around the system TCU [ 2010.05.22 21:58:13 ] Jasmine Constantine > On behalf of my client we will be attending to press the case against the plaintiff one "archbishop" very shortly [ 2010.05.22 21:59:26 ] Wrongsides > Very well, court will come to order at 22:00 [ 2010.05.22 22:00:49 ] Wrongsides > Welcome Overseer ChipMo. [ 2010.05.22 22:01:18 ] ChipMo > Good Evening YWS0-Z [ 2010.05.22 22:02:18 ] ChipMo > I here by call to order Case N¦: 00001-112, Revan Neferis vs Archbishop [ 2010.05.22 22:03:13 ] ChipMo > This evening we will be operating out of CCCNP Court One , any supporters of either party please join. Public viewers are also welcome to view proceedings [ 2010.05.22 22:03:44 ] ChipMo > We shall assemble in space to resolve our disputes honourable as Capsuleers, the pride of New Eden [ 2010.05.22 22:04:03 ] ChipMo > All who can afford our service are welcome to make use of it & encouraged to do so. [ 2010.05.22 22:08:29 ] ChipMo > /emote calls the court to order [ 2010.05.22 22:09:04 ] ChipMo > Jasmine Constantine & Archbishop you are here by summoned to appear at Planet 5 Moon 1 [ 2010.05.22 22:09:16 ] ChipMo > to present your cases [ 2010.05.22 22:09:37 ] Jasmine Constantine > We will be there momentarily [ 2010.05.22 22:10:08 ] ChipMo > The prosecution will be first to speak with a window of 15 minutes for their opening statements [ 2010.05.22 22:11:49 ] Jasmine Constantine > Roger that we are inbound now [ 2010.05.22 22:12:42 ] ZhuKuan > looking for a leader..... [ 2010.05.22 22:12:54 ] ChipMo > /emote bows > Welcome to the CCCNP Primary Court Room [ 2010.05.22 22:14:30 ] ZhuKuan > ty.... [ 2010.05.22 22:15:28 ] ChipMo > OK, we will begin by hearing each clients opening statements, as representative for the prosecution, Jasmine Constantine you are clear to speak your case [ 2010.05.22 22:15:39 ] ChipMo > are you ready to speak? [ 2010.05.22 22:15:46 ] ZhuKuan > yea..... [ 2010.05.22 22:16:33 ] ZhuKuan > I am looking for my corp to join ur alliance. And would like to get more info about joining. [ 2010.05.22 22:16:57 ] Jasmine Constantine > Okay ChipMo I'm ready to begin [ 2010.05.22 22:17:14 ] ChipMo > Very well, proceed, you have 15 minutes to state your case
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:50:00 - [132] Originally by: Prosecution Opening Statement [ 2010.05.22 22:17:20 ] Jasmine Constantine > As has been published already http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1321717 [ 2010.05.22 22:18:27 ] Jasmine Constantine > the issue of this case is miss Revan Neferis against the Amarrian operating under the name "archbishop" over the specific charges of defamation, invasion of privacy, stalking and deceitful misrepresentation of facts utilizing the Galnet as a medium [ 2010.05.22 22:18:38 ] Jasmine Constantine > for deliberate and disgraceful slander [ 2010.05.22 22:18:52 ] Jasmine Constantine > I will make some opening remarks on this matter to begin: [ 2010.05.22 22:19:25 ] Jasmine Constantine > Firstly then : [ 2010.05.22 22:19:52 ] Jasmine Constantine > IÆm here today to speak to speak plainly and condemn the actions of an obsessive stalker who has become dangerously infatuated with my client miss Revan Neferis and has turned dozens (if not hundreds) of Galnet topics to a nonsense of lying, [ 2010.05.22 22:20:02 ] Jasmine Constantine > , defamation, and endless identical cut and paste repetition in his endless quest for validation and notice. [ 2010.05.22 22:20:06 ] Oe'hi > shut ur face [ 2010.05.22 22:20:30 ] Jasmine Constantine > Nobody in this Star Cluster has written more about my client than this man (name unknown) simply recognized by his alias ôarchbishopö who as one time CEO of PIE Inc. has made his lifeÆs work the posting of invective, [ 2010.05.22 22:20:47 ] Jasmine Constantine > , imprecation, calumny, slander and general attention-starved paeans to rage and heart-stricken jealous insanity in the cause of stalking the famous capsuleer his fetish has made target for his attention. [ 2010.05.22 22:21:16 ] Jasmine Constantine > Impatience with this behaviour has now led my client to raise complaint against this ômanö at ChipmoÆs Civil Court of New Providence with the specific charges: Defamation, Invasion of Privacy and Stalking, and Use of False Testimony against R. Neferis [ 2010.05.22 22:21:35 ] Jasmine Constantine > Now it should mentioned at this point that ôarchbishopö speaking personally and acting through his hired agent ôMurkonö have publicly condemned CCCNP has having ôno authorityö over themselves or their actions [ 2010.05.22 22:21:51 ] Jasmine Constantine > actions and while refusing to have anything to do with these proceedings have nonetheless placed around 15,000 words on the matter arguing their case on the public records of Galnet over the previous week. [ 2010.05.22 22:22:08 ] Jasmine Constantine > This ônon-involvementö has manifested in lengthy tirades, endless self-justifying rants, posting by proxy, personal posting, full public apologies, retractions of apologies, admissions of lying, [ 2010.05.22 22:22:24 ] Jasmine Constantine > . The list goes on. In fact IÆd say without a momentÆs fear of contradiction that this ôarchbishopö and his agent have placed more material in the public record on these charges than we will at the court today. [ 2010.05.22 22:22:45 ] Jasmine Constantine > But they claim not to recognize the authority of the court to question them? [ 2010.05.22 22:23:03 ] Jasmine Constantine > ? I say it is a laughable position to take for a pair of creatures so desperate to cling to the shreds of their own reputation they must stalk any and all appearance of court procedure to claim non-acceptance of said authority. [ 2010.05.22 22:23:29 ] Jasmine Constantine > Be that as it may, since they have not appeared to defend themselves we must go ahead without them and I will present the arguments to support Miss NeferisÆ case presently
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:52:00 - [133] Originally by: Prosecution Opening Statement Cont [ 2010.05.22 22:24:21 ] Jasmine Constantine > at this point I will invite my client Miss Revan Neferis to speak some words of her own to conclude the opening statements before we move onto the meat of the charges and detail of the crimes we are here to investigate and condemn: [ 2010.05.22 22:24:32 ] Jasmine Constantine > Miss Neferis have you anything you would like to say at this point ? [ 2010.05.22 22:24:57 ] Revan Neferis > /emote kisses her lover softly before standing up [ 2010.05.22 22:25:30 ] Revan Neferis > Good evening to all. I believe that my attourney has made a quite complete presentation of the case [ 2010.05.22 22:25:55 ] Revan Neferis > At this point. I just would like to add that it is of great importance that this court and the public present [ 2010.05.22 22:27:07 ] Revan Neferis > actually be attentive to the facts that shall be presented here, for future references and for their own good. To be victim of such abusive behaviour aS I've been submitted along the years is simply an experience [ 2010.05.22 22:27:43 ] Revan Neferis > that i don't wish any of you to be submitted to. May justice prevail. and the truth be revealed here tonight. [ 2010.05.22 22:28:01 ] Revan Neferis > that's all. * returns to sit down besides her lover. [ 2010.05.22 22:28:25 ] Jasmine Constantine > thank you for that Miss Neferis, that concludes our opening statements to the court [ 2010.05.22 22:28:35 ] ChipMo > /emote nods [ 2010.05.22 22:29:22 ] ChipMo > I have some brief questions, before we move on to the defendants opening statement [ 2010.05.22 22:29:48 ] Jasmine Constantine > By all means [ 2010.05.22 22:30:56 ] ChipMo > I am curious how the charges have negatively effected your client? How has the claimed harassment actually impacted her life as a Capsuleer? [ 2010.05.22 22:31:35 ] Revan Neferis > I shall answer that as it is a private question too [ 2010.05.22 22:31:55 ] ChipMo > Proceed [ 2010.05.22 22:32:01 ] Revan Neferis > /emote nods [ 2010.05.22 22:32:16 ] Iron Eagle > /emote nods [ 2010.05.22 22:33:18 ] Revan Neferis > As you and the whole star cluster well know, on the first of this years new turn, i have officially published statements of releasing slaves and closing slave farms who were connected to my family business [ 2010.05.22 22:33:59 ] Revan Neferis > After that, several contracts and obligations and as well, military and diplomatic relations were established by this very base. [ 2010.05.22 22:34:49 ] Revan Neferis > Not counting that my personal relationship with Jade Constantine also had firm bases on this statement, as it was given from me, as a trust to our love. [ 2010.05.22 22:35:01 ] ChipMo > I see. Thank you [ 2010.05.22 22:35:06 ] Revan Neferis > The slanders that this man has been issuing at public channels [ 2010.05.22 22:35:19 ] Revan Neferis > Im not finished. i will say when I am [ 2010.05.22 22:35:53 ] Revan Neferis > The slanders have taken endless times of my business, personal and associate related areas [ 2010.05.22 22:36:15 ] Revan Neferis > to have damage control over his false statements. and as everyone knows, time is money [ 2010.05.22 22:36:23 ] ChipMo > Make it quick then, these are brief points of clarification you can go into specific detail of losses during testimony & evidance stage of the case. [ 2010.05.22 22:37:00 ] Revan Neferis > the damages are evident as stated above. [ 2010.05.22 22:37:17 ] Revan Neferis > thats all. [ 2010.05.22 22:37:21 ] Jasmine Constantine > I would like to make an additional observation on the nature of damages as well [ 2010.05.22 22:38:09 ] ChipMo > Now is not the time, please make a note of it & you will be given opertunity for that [ 2010.05.22 22:38:33 ] Jasmine Constantine > I will save these comments for closing remarks then [ 2010.05.22 22:38:39 ] Jasmine Constantine > by all means proceed
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:55:00 - [134] Originally by: Defence Opening Statement [ 2010.05.22 22:39:24 ] ChipMo > Very well, Archbishop - do you wish to defend yourself against the charges as laid out here tonight, or have a pilot present here represent you in this case? [ 2010.05.22 22:40:08 ] ChipMo > Given the silence we shall proceed beyond the defendants opening statements & preliminary questions. [ 2010.05.22 22:41:00 ] Jasmine Constantine > with your permission I will begin in detail then ? [ 2010.05.22 22:41:19 ] ChipMo > 1 moment please [ 2010.05.22 22:42:11 ] Revan Neferis > /emote whispering something to jade and smiling as she returns her attention to the room [ 2010.05.22 22:43:13 ] ChipMo > We will now give each client opportunity to proceed with thier case in detail. You should take this opportunity to elaborate on the implications of the case, offer up any evidence you hold to 'prove' your position [ 2010.05.22 22:43:30 ] Jasmine Constantine > Very well [ 2010.05.22 22:43:32 ] ChipMo > as well as have any specific testimony, or witness statements you want heard [ 2010.05.22 22:44:13 ] ChipMo > the initial session will be a further 15 minutes each, however do not worry - clients will speak in turn on that basis [ 2010.05.22 22:44:33 ] ChipMo > until we are satisfied the case has sufficiently been laid out [ 2010.05.22 22:44:47 ] ChipMo > Now, given the defence has failed to attend [ 2010.05.22 22:45:02 ] ChipMo > I offer the opportunity to forgo that procedure [ 2010.05.22 22:45:27 ] Jasmine Constantine > I believe we should hear the case in full detail [ 2010.05.22 22:45:29 ] ChipMo > and simply offer up the floor for the prosecution to proceed until they are done [ 2010.05.22 22:45:38 ] Jasmine Constantine > I am happy to pause beyond each section of 3 [ 2010.05.22 22:45:58 ] Jasmine Constantine > and await rebuttle from any member of the audience if they wish to speak in archbishop's defence however [ 2010.05.22 22:46:10 ] Jasmine Constantine > if it please the court [ 2010.05.22 22:46:20 ] ChipMo > Very well, we will follow procedure. [ 2010.05.22 22:46:52 ] ChipMo > Jasmine, as prosecution it is your right to speak first, do you have your affairs in order & are ready to speak? [ 2010.05.22 22:47:01 ] Jasmine Constantine > Absolutely! [ 2010.05.22 22:47:07 ] Jasmine Constantine > I'm eager to nail this ***** to the wall! [ 2010.05.22 22:47:15 ] ChipMo > very well, you have 15 minuites, please, proceed
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:58:00 - [135] Edited by: Wrongsides on 24/05/2010 12:59:55 Originally by: Prosecution Charge One Testomony [ 2010.05.22 22:47:17 ] Jasmine Constantine > ahem deliver the case that is [ 2010.05.22 22:47:20 ] Revan Neferis > /emote smiles [ 2010.05.22 22:47:32 ] Jasmine Constantine > We begin with Defamation of character : [ 2010.05.22 22:47:44 ] Jasmine Constantine > First let us assess the character of Miss Neferis herself. She is a wealthy Amarrian-born capsuleer who has made a considerable fortunate in the Star Cluster and heads a Sani Sabik cult as a member corp of the Final Stand Alliance. [ 2010.05.22 22:48:03 ] Jasmine Constantine > fortune [ 2010.05.22 22:48:14 ] Jasmine Constantine > Miss Neferis has had a colourful life in the cluster, beginning as Amarrian Loyalist who fell into religious conflict with Theocracy Council, fought religious wars with nationalists [ 2010.05.22 22:48:30 ] Jasmine Constantine > , became a supporter of then sought to supplant the Blood Raider hierarchy and begin a violent sequence of purging conflicts (often through the medium of hired mercenary forces) [ 2010.05.22 22:48:39 ] Jasmine Constantine > ) that left an indelible mark on the nationalist Amarrian psyche. Naming herself a heretic and cleansing flame it is true to say she has been a thorn in the side of Amarrian nationalism for many years. [ 2010.05.22 22:49:01 ] Jasmine Constantine > Beyond this Revan Neferis has funded many events and celebrations, contests and games, she is a support of the Sani Sabik tradition of personal combat, sensual expression, artistic freedom [ 2010.05.22 22:49:22 ] Jasmine Constantine > and rituals both sublime and profane. It is true to say my client is a colourful leader of her faith and politics both, and has been so stranger to the spotlight across the years. [ 2010.05.22 22:49:31 ] Jasmine Constantine > (no stranger) [ 2010.05.22 22:49:46 ] Jasmine Constantine > But what she has never been is a liar and a hypocrite, or in anyways false to her belief and intentions in this life. This brings us to the crux and central issue of these charges. [ 2010.05.22 22:50:06 ] Jasmine Constantine > Last year Revan Neferis declared she was ending her support of slavery and was freeing her slaves. She made a public declaration of this fact, and then she went further and called on her family to follow in her stead and addressed a wider charge for all [ 2010.05.22 22:50:18 ] Jasmine Constantine > Amarrian holders to disavow and outlaw the practise and find other ways to run their estates and business hence after. Proof of the words followed in a matter of hours as 100,000 Matari slaves [ 2010.05.22 22:50:31 ] Jasmine Constantine > slaves (gathered mainly from hardline Amarrians seeking to win her favour) were liberated and returned to freedom through the agencies of the Star Fraction facilities in Kamela system. [ 2010.05.22 22:50:47 ] Jasmine Constantine > We have direct linkage to these statements. We have witness evidence of the truth of them [ 2010.05.22 22:51:01 ] Jasmine Constantine > We (in SF) fought to protect the freed slaves from CVAÆs attempts to murder them at the staging towers.Many of those Matari continue to serve with the Fraction today, others have returned to their culture of origin and all acknowledge they were free... [ 2010.05.22 22:51:17 ] Jasmine Constantine > were freed by the executive order of Revan Neferis [ 2010.05.22 22:51:29 ] Jasmine Constantine > I put it to the court that these facts are proven and self-evident and should be entered to the record. Revan Neferis disavowed the practise, purpose, and continuance of Slavery and in doing so set herself against the hardline elements in Amarr society [ 2010.05.22 22:51:55 ] Jasmine Constantine > she declared herself an enemy of those still addicted to this dirty and regressive business.
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:00:00 - [136] Originally by: Prosecution Charge One Testimony Cont [ 2010.05.22 22:52:09 ] Jasmine Constantine > So the character of Revan Neferis the court should consider is that of a capricious, mercurial True Amarrian cultist of the Sani Sabik faith, with a penchant for war and violence, [ 2010.05.22 22:52:28 ] Jasmine Constantine > with a flair for the dramatic and grand gesture, a devote of notice and publicity certainly, but at the last she is a woman who when asked to free her slaves [ 2010.05.22 22:52:44 ] Jasmine Constantine > and end the practise of slavery by the request of her lover, did just that. In other words she did what she said she would do. She was honest. [ 2010.05.22 22:53:10 ] Jasmine Constantine > /emote pauses to let that sink home for a moment before clearing her breath to continue [ 2010.05.22 22:53:27 ] Jasmine Constantine > So comes ôarchbishopö now to the picture: I present the court with the backdrop of literally hundreds of separate posts and public statements put onto galnet with the assertion that Revan Neferis is still ôa slaverö. [ 2010.05.22 22:53:57 ] Revan Neferis > /emote adjusts her silk tie finding the court room very hot and nodding with agreement to all that was said [ 2010.05.22 22:54:02 ] Jasmine Constantine > (these date from last year to last week, hundreds of examples, continuous assertions of the fact) [ 2010.05.22 22:54:29 ] Jasmine Constantine > From after the siege of Space and Freedom II and my clientÆs public announcement of the end of slavery. [ 2010.05.22 22:54:45 ] Jasmine Constantine > ôArchbishopö has made a career of defamation. In his attacks on the Star Fraction, on the character of RevanÆs lover (my cousin) Jade Constantine he continuously refers to ôRevan your slaver loverö ôRevan the slave-keeperö ôRevan the slaverö [ 2010.05.22 22:55:06 ] Jasmine Constantine > and has filled hundreds of thousands of words with clear lies intended to defame the character of my client in the attempt to portray her falsely as a slaver, [ 2010.05.22 22:55:19 ] Jasmine Constantine > , but also as a person that lies about her status and political decisions. [ 2010.05.22 22:55:32 ] Jasmine Constantine > This is a man with a motive to paint others black as his own heart and tar everyone with the corruption that seeps from his own veins. [ 2010.05.22 22:55:45 ] Jasmine Constantine > . He even took to writing ôsermonÆsö criticising the hypocrisy of the Star Fraction executor for taking an Amarrian ôslaverö to her bed while knowing full well that said ôslaverö was nothing of the sort [ 2010.05.22 22:55:54 ] Jasmine Constantine > and the only hypocrisy on evidence was presenting oneself as a ôpriestö while telling lies on galnet. [ 2010.05.22 22:56:12 ] Jasmine Constantine > This truly is the character of the man ôarchbishopö. He is a liar and a slanderer and the simple truth here is that he told lies about my client with the clear intent of painting her as something she is not. This is an attempt at defamation [ 2010.05.22 22:56:20 ] Jasmine Constantine > and I strongly urge the court to find it so. [ 2010.05.22 22:56:58 ] Jasmine Constantine > This ends the first of three specfic addresses on these charges and I will pause now to await questions and any rebuttle by suppoters of archbishop in this system [ 2010.05.22 22:57:18 ] Jasmine Constantine > Please inform me when you'd like me to continue with the second part of the detail address. [ 2010.05.22 22:57:39 ] ChipMo > Ok, can I ask for a copy of the statement that refers to the freed slaves of Ms Neferis? [ 2010.05.22 22:58:26 ] Jasmine Constantine > Copies of this material will be made available for your perusal at your personal terminal - with detail and links [ 2010.05.22 22:58:33 ] ChipMo > And also, a direct quote example (or link) of Archbishop calling your client a Slaver [ 2010.05.22 22:59:18 ] ChipMo > Thank you.
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:02:00 - [137] Originally by: Defence Charge One Testimony [ 2010.05.22 23:00:21 ] ChipMo > Archbishop, do you have any testimony or evidence you wish to present to the court in rebuttal to the charges against you of defamation? [ 2010.05.22 23:00:28 ] Jasmine Constantine > And I provide a detailed record of quotes and comments from Archbishop including his many references to Miss Neferis over the past six months (also private terminal) [ 2010.05.22 23:01:01 ] ChipMo > Accepts the Defendants silence and proceeds [ 2010.05.22 23:01:27 ] ChipMo > Documents received thank you Ms Constantine [ 2010.05.22 23:02:37 ] ChipMo > Ok, we shall move on, are you prepared to proceed with your testimony on the second charge? [ 2010.05.22 23:02:44 ] Jasmine Constantine > Absolutely [ 2010.05.22 23:02:54 ] Jasmine Constantine > this bit is shocking! [ 2010.05.22 23:02:59 ] ChipMo > Very well, you have 15 minutes, please proceed
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:09:00 - [138] Originally by: Prosecution Charge Two Testimony [ 2010.05.22 23:03:45 ] Jasmine Constantine > Now to the charge of invasion of privacy: this is a more vexed question since to a great degree we of the capsuleer caste do exist in the public eye, we portray ourselves on Galnet, we represent ourselves from the medium of publicity and notoriety [ 2010.05.22 23:04:01 ] Jasmine Constantine > notoriety to further our interests and influence. [ 2010.05.22 23:04:08 ] Revan Neferis > /emote removing her business suit and laying it neatly on the table , placing an arm around jade's neck and listening [ 2010.05.22 23:04:30 ] Jasmine Constantine > So how far do we allege ôarchbishopö invaded my clientÆs privacy? Well, there are limits that most of us will consider ôreasonableö and I put before the court that posts in the thousands directed at salacious rumour-mongering [ 2010.05.22 23:04:49 ] Jasmine Constantine > mongering on the nature of my clientÆs relationships and bedtime practises are going too far. [ 2010.05.22 23:05:07 ] Jasmine Constantine > The moment this man began speculating about the contents of my clientÆs underwear draw in public (while privately sending agents to attempt to procure my clientÆs used panties) [ 2010.05.22 23:05:31 ] Jasmine Constantine > is the moment when we know heÆs completed the descent to madness he began years ago [ 2010.05.22 23:05:43 ] Jasmine Constantine > by boasting of his golden-painted Matari child-slaves he kept in tight gilded cages on the veranda of his estates. [ 2010.05.22 23:06:08 ] Jasmine Constantine > He is a perverse creature of strange appetites and drives, beloved of the whip and vitoc needle and control glaive and seems to have conceived an abiding fantasy of control that involves [ 2010.05.22 23:06:37 ] Jasmine Constantine > involves the rest of the universe kneeling and begging forgiveness and letting him teach knowledge of the psalms and scriptures before bending over to receive punishment at ôgods divine handö. [ 2010.05.22 23:06:55 ] Jasmine Constantine > LetÆs just cut to the chase. This is a horny amarrian BSDM freak with an unhealthy fascination for a woman he canÆt have and can never ôtrain.ö [ 2010.05.22 23:07:08 ] Jasmine Constantine > .ö While most capsuleers would simply find an appropriate partner at a special club off the Crystal Boulevard (or simply rent out some appropriate holovids) this ôarchbishopö has made a life out of painfully fantasising about that he can never possess. [ 2010.05.22 23:07:31 ] Jasmine Constantine > And so to the accusation of stalking: [ 2010.05.22 23:07:45 ] Jasmine Constantine > ôArchbishopö has been stalking my client for the best part of five years now. Every public comment she makes, every announcement, every event, every philosophical hypothesis or simple declaration of love, [ 2010.05.22 23:08:00 ] Jasmine Constantine > all are attended by the hot-flushed panting obsession of this Amarrian mock priest and his wordy-hypocrisy pounding out words of defamation and slander with his sweaty knuckles. [ 2010.05.22 23:08:16 ] Jasmine Constantine > But donÆt take my word for it! Take a look at the posting history of the ôarchbishopö and see the subjects he attends and see written in black and while the scope of his obsession. [ 2010.05.22 23:08:31 ] Jasmine Constantine > Take a look further to the Archbishop portal û he has around 30 ôsermonsö the majority of which are transparent invectives against the objective of his obsession.
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:11:00 - [139] Edited by: Wrongsides on 24/05/2010 13:12:08 Originally by: Prosecution Charge Two Testimony Cont [ 2010.05.22 23:08:57 ] Jasmine Constantine > Or shall we consider the dark places this madness takes this man? In the example of a corporate or alliance ôanniversary postö û [ 2010.05.22 23:09:09 ] Jasmine Constantine > ö û a convention that most capsuleerÆs accept as unfitting ground for arguments and petty-name calling. [ 2010.05.22 23:09:31 ] Jasmine Constantine > We have evidence this very year that ôarchbishopö used an entire double page spread of the Star FractionÆs five year anniversary thread to continue his frenzied stalking of enemies even when caught and spread-eagled [ 2010.05.22 23:09:40 ] Jasmine Constantine > eagled in the light of critical analysis as a ridiculously inept liar there. [ 2010.05.22 23:09:54 ] Jasmine Constantine > This is not a balanced man. This is not a man free of obsession and in full possession of his critical faculties. [ 2010.05.22 23:10:08 ] Jasmine Constantine > This is a man who fears to show his true face, fears to declare his true name, who exists now in a purgatory of his own making where hatred for his foes is the only sensation he can feel. [ 2010.05.22 23:10:20 ] Jasmine Constantine > It has been years now since this ôarchbishopö did anything on his own. Anything of that didnÆt involve his galnet stalking of the fame of others. [ 2010.05.22 23:10:33 ] Jasmine Constantine > We know he was fired from the CEO position in PIE Inc because the actual fighters in that corporation grew unhappy to be represented by a leader who did nothing in space [ 2010.05.22 23:10:42 ] Jasmine Constantine > but simply spent every moment in the pod typing out condemning missives on galnet. [ 2010.05.22 23:11:14 ] Jasmine Constantine > We know this is a deeply unhappy and driven lost man, so far from his obsessions and desires and subsisting now solely on the ridicule he is fed in return for his galnet posting. [ 2010.05.22 23:11:31 ] Jasmine Constantine > But we cannot feel overmuch sympathy here; my client has asked to court to condemn this man for Invasion of Privacy [ 2010.05.22 23:11:39 ] Jasmine Constantine > (the court) [ 2010.05.22 23:11:52 ] Jasmine Constantine > Privacy and I say that the continuous salacious speculation and apparent knicker-sniffing fetish is an invasion too far. [ 2010.05.22 23:12:05 ] Jasmine Constantine > It is not appropriate behaviour for a capsuleer representing themselves on Galnet to involve themselves in these things and I ask the court to condemn the invasion of privacy here. [ 2010.05.22 23:12:26 ] Jasmine Constantine > And as for the stalking charge? I simply ask the court to look over this manÆs posting history on galnet and consider that 99% of his writing is directed solely against Revan Neferis, [ 2010.05.22 23:12:28 ] Jasmine Constantine > , her friends, her contacts and her lovers organization, and over the last six months he has authored around 200 posts specifically to continue his vendetta of obsession and demands for attention. [ 2010.05.22 23:13:14 ] Jasmine Constantine > This is a man with an obsessional drive to pry into the privacy and sexual mores of another capsuleer who's dark desires have taken him past the edge of madness [ 2010.05.22 23:13:33 ] Jasmine Constantine > And I call upon the court to offer stern censure and judgement on this element of the charges [ 2010.05.22 23:13:47 ] Jasmine Constantine > Part two of my presentation is now complete [ 2010.05.22 23:14:40 ] ChipMo > Thank you Jasmine, you presented it well.
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:13:00 - [140] Originally by: Defence Charge Two Testimony [ 2010.05.22 23:15:27 ] ChipMo > Archbishop, I shall ask you once again do you have anything to say in your defense against the charges laid out before you? [ 2010.05.22 23:16:09 ] ChipMo > Given your silence we shall proceed regardless [ 2010.05.22 23:16:56 ] ChipMo > Moving onto the final charge are you prepaired and ready to speak Jasmine? [ 2010.05.22 23:17:01 ] Revan Neferis > /emote shifts a little "excuse me" [ 2010.05.22 23:17:05 ] Jasmine Constantine > Transfers data to the judge's private terminal listing almost a dozen cases of agents offering to arrange laundry services, collect discarded underwear, or otherwise make improper represetnations for the aquisition of intimate under clothing ... [ 2010.05.22 23:17:40 ] Jasmine Constantine > these data captures will show a disturbing tendency connected to this case your honour [ 2010.05.22 23:17:42 ] Mayobe > whisper-whisper-whisper [ 2010.05.22 23:17:48 ] ChipMo > /emote raises an eye brow at some of the incoming files content [ 2010.05.22 23:17:58 ] Jasmine Constantine > But yes, I am ready to continue [ 2010.05.22 23:18:17 ] ChipMo > Received, will be reviewed in detail before verdict is given [ 2010.05.22 23:18:18 ] Revan Neferis > /emote clearing her throat and adjusting her position again [ 2010.05.22 23:18:52 ] Revan Neferis > /emote whispers to Jade "dont they have champagne in this place?"
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:15:00 - [141] Originally by: Prosecution Charge Three Testimony [ 2010.05.22 23:19:03 ] Jasmine Constantine > Very well, fortunately for us all the last charge in many ways is the simplest to discuss [ 2010.05.22 23:19:05 ] ChipMo > OK, Jasmine please proceed, you have 15 minuites to present your testomony and evidence relating to the final charge [ 2010.05.22 23:19:17 ] Jasmine Constantine > /emote nods [ 2010.05.22 23:19:20 ] Jasmine Constantine > The last charge of lying is the easiest of all to prove before the court. [ 2010.05.22 23:19:35 ] Jasmine Constantine > My client has renounced slavery and put aside this part of her life. She has done it clearly and honestly, and made the doing so a poetic gesture of love for her partner. [ 2010.05.22 23:19:53 ] Jasmine Constantine > . Nobody of any credibility or stature denies this and those of good heart and open mind have recognized and applauded the deed as a progressive one [ 2010.05.22 23:20:08 ] Jasmine Constantine > one for an Amarrian of my clientÆs birth and joined in the hope this will inspire others to follow where she has led. [ 2010.05.22 23:20:16 ] Jasmine Constantine > Yet the ôarchbishopö has lied about this for the best part of six months straight: refusing to acknowledge my clientÆs words, actions, deeds or intentions, and continuing to repeat the lies and slander of his typical behaviour. [ 2010.05.22 23:20:42 ] Jasmine Constantine > "2010.05.18 02:23:00you sure wouldn't be bedding down with a known slaver and Amarr Empress supporter (Revan Neferis)" [ 2010.05.22 23:21:15 ] Mayobe > rabble-rabble-rabble!* [ 2010.05.22 23:21:33 ] Jasmine Constantine > these comments were commonplace and utibiquitous from this man [ 2010.05.22 23:21:51 ] Jasmine Constantine > Then this week when the trial was proposed he sent his agent ômurkonö to publicly apologise for these lies in an attempt to settle ôout of court.ö [ 2010.05.22 23:22:03 ] Jasmine Constantine > My client refused the apology stating her desire to see it delivered under the authority of the CCCNP instead. [ 2010.05.22 23:22:21 ] Jasmine Constantine > . In return ômurkonö and ôarchbishopö withdrew the public apology and claimed instead [ 2010.05.22 23:22:31 ] Jasmine Constantine > instead that my client hadnÆt given up slavery because it had taken some weeks and months for her extended family to shut down their slave-farms and liberate their own prisoners after her declaration. [ 2010.05.22 23:22:49 ] Jasmine Constantine > I put it to the court that this is typical behaviour on the part of ôArchbishopö: He denies CCCNP court authority and says heÆll play no part in proceedings [ 2010.05.22 23:23:02 ] Jasmine Constantine > He then sends his agent to argue the case on Galnet claiming thatÆs all he will doHe then appears himself arguing the case on Galnet while simultaneously rejecting the courts authority [ 2010.05.22 23:23:17 ] Jasmine Constantine > He then sends his agent to deliver a public apology as an out of court settlementHe then appears himself with the apology before indulging in invective against the authority of the court [ 2010.05.22 23:23:31 ] Jasmine Constantine > He then sends his agent to withdraw the public apology making another deceitful claim against my client which is laughably easy to counter with the facts. [ 2010.05.22 23:23:43 ] Jasmine Constantine > He then appears himself to quote and agree with his agent with the withdrawal of public authority and continues to spread more deceitful slander and general declarations of the courtÆs non authority
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:16:00 - [142] Originally by: Prosecution Charge Three Testimony Cont [ 2010.05.22 23:24:00 ] Jasmine Constantine > So what we have here is a testimony of a public apology for lying, withdrawn, replaced with another lie, and backed up by nobody but ôarchbishopö and his agent ômurkonö. [ 2010.05.22 23:24:27 ] Jasmine Constantine > /emote stands up and spreads her hands in mock despair at this! [ 2010.05.22 23:24:32 ] Jasmine Constantine > This man ôarchbishopö is probably the most inept liar on Galnet. He leaves a paper-trial of guilt behind him in every thread. [ 2010.05.22 23:24:48 ] Jasmine Constantine > Whether its insanity, obsession, sad-delusion or whatever else motivations the sporadic motion of his posting fingers itÆs very clear that he is incapable of honest communication [ 2010.05.22 23:25:03 ] Jasmine Constantine > and the manner in which he has thrashed wildly back and forwards between contradictory positions in relation to this court case do nothing to convince anybody of his good faith or genuine intention to make truthful use of the galnet [ 2010.05.22 23:25:20 ] Jasmine Constantine > This is an Amarrian fetishist who dresses up in a brown robe and pretends to be a holy man while whipping vitoc-addicted slave girls half to dead and trapping them in tiny cages while he reads them scripture. [ 2010.05.22 23:25:34 ] Mayobe > :D [ 2010.05.22 23:25:40 ] Jasmine Constantine > This is a man who claims that God Exists, that Amarrians are genetically superior to other races (while wheezing around on powered crutches and treating his facial syphilis-scars with antibiotics) , [ 2010.05.22 23:25:57 ] Jasmine Constantine > who claims that slavery is freedom, that genocide is kindness, that ignorance is knowledge, that holy men can teleport between system, and that PIE Inc. have a ôgood reputationö on the IGS. [ 2010.05.22 23:26:11 ] Jasmine Constantine > I put it to the court that this man is a liar. He has used false testimony and outright deceit in the process of telling lies continuously for the many years of his existence. [ 2010.05.22 23:26:26 ] Jasmine Constantine > I declare these things before the court and ask them entered into record as a true accounting of this matter and will now retire to await judgement. [ 2010.05.22 23:26:44 ] Jasmine Constantine > This concludes my formal presentation and I commend it to the court
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:20:00 - [143] Originally by: Defence Charge Three Testimony [ 2010.05.22 23:27:56 ] ChipMo > Ok, Archbishop, do you have anything to add in your defense of these charges laid before you? [ 2010.05.22 23:28:11 ] ChipMo > Given your continuied silence we will proceed. [ 2010.05.22 23:30:34 ] ChipMo > This stage of the court process I will offer both clients to express how the charges in this case have adversely effected them (as I asked to be noted earlier), each party can also express how they would like to see the verdict [ 2010.05.22 23:30:58 ] ChipMo > implemented should it go their way, and to what degree it should be pressed
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:22:00 - [144] Originally by: Prosecution Final Words [ 2010.05.22 23:31:51 ] Jasmine Constantine > /emote clears her throat [ 2010.05.22 23:32:38 ] Jasmine Constantine > At this stage I think its important to point out that My client's motivation for bringing this charge was never a financial one. She is a successful businesswoman of great independent wealth and means [ 2010.05.22 23:32:51 ] ChipMo > if you are ready to proceed Jasmine you will have a further 15 minuites to express this [ 2010.05.22 23:33:15 ] Jasmine Constantine > and as such the impact on her fiscal affairs from Archbishops malicious involvement has been minimal at best [ 2010.05.22 23:33:16 ] Revan Neferis > /emote nods in agreement [ 2010.05.22 23:33:30 ] Jasmine Constantine > but we ask the court to consider a strong punitive verdict nonetheless [ 2010.05.22 23:34:21 ] Jasmine Constantine > to stand as an example to others and protect new generations of capsuleers from the kind of obsessional stalking and insipid malicious defamation we have seem from Archbishop in these matters [ 2010.05.22 23:35:23 ] Jasmine Constantine > We leave it in the courts remit and warrent to decide on the measure of verdict here - and we ask a statement of the sternest censure and condemnation as warning to others [ 2010.05.22 23:35:51 ] Jasmine Constantine > Archbishop has lacked the courage to arrive to these proceedings this evening [ 2010.05.22 23:36:06 ] Jasmine Constantine > he has lacked the courage to contest the case with his isk and resources [ 2010.05.22 23:36:18 ] Jasmine Constantine > he has risked nothing except his reputation [ 2010.05.22 23:36:50 ] Jasmine Constantine > therefore his reputation should pay the price of any verdict this court sees fit to impose [ 2010.05.22 23:37:16 ] Jasmine Constantine > this concludes my comments on the matter. [ 2010.05.22 23:37:30 ] Jasmine Constantine > Miss Neferis are you satisfied or would you add words of your own ? [ 2010.05.22 23:37:58 ] Revan Neferis > /emote turns to Jasmine " I'm fully satisfied" [ 2010.05.22 23:38:38 ] Revan Neferis > by all means proceed. [ 2010.05.22 23:38:51 ] ChipMo > Thank you for your contribution [ 2010.05.22 23:38:53 ] Jasmine Constantine > Then we await the judgement of the court
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:24:00 - [145] Originally by: Defence Final Words [ 2010.05.22 23:39:41 ] ChipMo > Finally, Archbishop - do you wish to express what you have suffered as a result of this charge, what you would like to see ahppen should you be cleared of these charges? [ 2010.05.22 23:40:11 ] ChipMo > Given your silence we will proceed regardless. [ 2010.05.22 23:40:50 ] ChipMo > At this point I wish to call a recess of 30 minutes while I study the evidence and testimony presented here tonight [ 2010.05.22 23:41:27 ] ChipMo > I shall return with a preliminary verdict on each charge and how I purpose to proceed on the basis of that [ 2010.05.22 23:41:49 ] ChipMo > for a full verdict and 'sentence' to be published on the IGS [ 2010.05.22 23:42:07 ] ChipMo > Any questions before I call the recess? [ 2010.05.22 23:42:18 ] Revan Neferis > do you have champagne here? [ 2010.05.22 23:43:10 ] ChipMo > /emote frowns > Beverages will be available at TAZ Norlonto for those who wish to indulge [ 2010.05.22 23:43:35 ] Revan Neferis > Ah * nods * that's all. [ 2010.05.22 23:43:42 ] ChipMo > on that note, court is adjourned until 00:13 [ 2010.05.22 23:44:18 ] Jasmine Constantine > we thank the court's indulgence and will await the preliminary judgement
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:27:00 - [146] After glancing over the prosecution case, all I see are assertions, rhetoric and unsubstantiated claims, but no actual evidence. As for Jasmine's suggestion that Archbishop is a liar - that's pretty laughable considering her own reputation for ignoring the truth. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:27:00 - [147] Originally by: Reading of the Verdict [ 2010.05.23 00:01:36 ] ChipMo > Calling the court to order [ 2010.05.23 00:02:16 ] ChipMo > Can all involved please make their way back to Planet 5 Moon 1 for the reading of the verdict [ 2010.05.23 00:03:11 ] ChipMo > Ok, before I begin I would like to give thanks to Evet Morrel for her assistance in pre-trial clerical work [ 2010.05.23 00:03:31 ] ChipMo > and a big thanks to our head of court security Tetseptus for keeping an eye on proceedings [ 2010.05.23 00:03:49 ] Tetseptus > /emote bows. [ 2010.05.23 00:05:00 ] ChipMo > I also appreciate everyone in attendances behaviour during this case, you have behaved impeccably throughout [ 2010.05.23 00:05:28 ] ChipMo > Thank you all, and you give me genuine hope and belief in the character of Capsuleers in general [ 2010.05.23 00:05:46 ] ChipMo > Now, to the matter at hand. The verdict. [ 2010.05.23 00:06:44 ] ChipMo > The Charge of defamation against Archbishop - Guilty. [ 2010.05.23 00:07:00 ] ChipMo > The charge of invasion of privacy - Guilty. [ 2010.05.23 00:07:34 ] ChipMo > The charge of using false testimony to the detriment of Revan Neferis - Guilty. [ 2010.05.23 00:08:20 ] ChipMo > Given the lack of any defence what so ever, I intend to press a sentence to the extreme I am able to given the limited bounds of this case [ 2010.05.23 00:09:26 ] ChipMo > that includes, first a public statement from the CCCNP on the character of Archbishop to serve as a public notice and warning to be held in mind by all those who consider having future dealings with this man [ 2010.05.23 00:10:23 ] ChipMo > Second, we at the CCCNP will fully endorse any future action that Revan Neferis undertakes against the defendant Archbishop & deny him the opportunity for recourse [ 2010.05.23 00:10:28 ] ChipMo > via the CCCNP [ 2010.05.23 00:11:34 ] ChipMo > I will now open the floor to any questions on the verdict & sentence from the prosecution or defence [ 2010.05.23 00:12:05 ] Tetseptus > Do not be concerned. Participants in the Court are safe within the forcefield. Please do not leave the forcefield while the Court is in progress. [ 2010.05.23 00:12:21 ] Revan Neferis > /emote whispers to jasmine to approach her [ 2010.05.23 00:12:58 ] ChipMo > Would the public like to post any questions? [ 2010.05.23 00:13:07 ] Pesets > yep. wtf is going on here? [ 2010.05.23 00:13:25 ] ChipMo > I should note, this is your only opportunity - questioning on the IGS will not be acknowledged [ 2010.05.23 00:14:18 ] ChipMo > Pesets, we have just held a court case and are open to questions on the sentencing and verdict [ 2010.05.23 00:15:20 ] Altaieere > whats the case [ 2010.05.23 00:15:28 ] Jasmine Constantine > I will bring the Brisane across Miss Neferis [ 2010.05.23 00:18:45 ] Tetseptus > The capsuleer by the name of Archbishop has been found guilty in absentia of defamation, invasion of privacy and false testimony. [ 2010.05.23 00:19:18 ] ChipMo > Ok, then I shall now close the Q&A session of the case. [ 2010.05.23 00:19:24 ] Dyami T'aal > did the glove fit? [ 2010.05.23 00:20:49 ] ChipMo > A formal statement of the verdicts presented here tonight will be written up and posted on the IGS, along with a statement addressing the character of Archbishop [ 2010.05.23 00:21:36 ] ChipMo > I now formally close Case N¦: 00001-112, having successfully completed proceedings
Wrongsides Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:30:00 - [148] This completes the posting of the case transcript. It took a while to compile and arrange in an IGS suitable format, apologies for the delay.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:35:00 - [149] Originally by: Rodj Blake After glancing over the prosecution case, all I see are assertions, rhetoric and unsubstantiated claims, but no actual evidence. As for Jasmine's suggestion that Archbishop is a liar - that's pretty laughable considering her own reputation for ignoring the truth. Had you shown up to defend Archbishop you could have refuted any evidence you deem suspect. He chose not to be represented, or refute any of the evidence offered by the prosecution - which was ample. Archbishop only has himself to blame if he is not happy with this verdict. I gave him every opportunity to get involved with the process. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:41:00 - [150] Originally by: Wrongsides This completes the posting of the case transcript. It took a while to compile and arrange in an IGS suitable format, apologies for the delay. Thank you for your work and the detailed transcript. It's good to see that the capsuleer caste has respected the posting etiquette consensus and not interrupted you in between the posts, (which would be of extreme bad taste of course.) I'd like to request CCCNP permission to use the court's transcripts and reproduce the material exposed at the next edition of Hot Magazine, where we'll be making an extensive presentation regarding Celebrity Stalking and the Capsuleer reflections on the matter. I'll be contacting many capsuleers to collect opinions and I'd appreciate to have this case as primary evidence of subject matter. Chipmo, do you have time today for an interview with me regarding the case?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:42:00 - [151] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 13:48:02 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 13:46:01 Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Rodj Blake After glancing over the prosecution case, all I see are assertions, rhetoric and unsubstantiated claims, but no actual evidence. As for Jasmine's suggestion that Archbishop is a liar - that's pretty laughable considering her own reputation for ignoring the truth. Had you shown up to defend Archbishop you could have refuted any evidence you deem suspect. He chose not to be represented, or refute any of the evidence offered by the prosecution - which was ample. Archbishop only has himself to blame if he is not happy with this verdict. I gave him every opportunity to get involved with the process. Given that your sham of a court had already shown its bias by changing its own rules to allow the case to go ahead, I doubt very much if there would have any verdict other than guilty. For example: The CCCNP is an independent court which wields only the power invested in it by the parties of the dispute: One party in the dispute did not invest any power in your court. If both parties involved in a common dispute agree to abide by the ruling of the CCCNP we will set a court date: Both parties did not agree. Ideally these will be held in space where each party is represented by themselves, proxy, or lawyer: One party was not represented. Both parties will convene at the agreed time and place: Both parties did not convene, and no time and place was agreed. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:49:00 - [152] Originally by: Rodj Blake I doubt very much if there would have any verdict other than guilty. You mean , given Archbishop's own behaviour and posting history of course. If there was no evidence, there wouldn't be a case at first place. Instead of coming here to defend something that is clearly evident to anyone with galnet access, would PIE Inc. be prepared to do a legitimate post declaring a change of intentions and directions and apologising for the unhealthy behaviour and calumnies that it has been exposing IGS readers without ceasing? Is there even the minimum chance that we'll see PIE Inc. starting again in a fresh light where the black muddy reputation of stalkers can be forgotten with time and replaced by a new trend of positive and healthy input here on IGS?
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:52:00 - [153] Originally by: Rodj Blake After glancing over the prosecution case, all I see are assertions, rhetoric and unsubstantiated claims, but no actual evidence. Evidence was presented to the court in hardcopy. I should hope it was to be presented here aswell, as the transcripts alone only affirmes the accusations and renders little or no basis for public scrutiny in regards to the fairness of the verdict.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:55:00 - [154] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Thank you for your work and the detailed transcript. It's good to see that the capsuleer caste has respected the posting etiquette consensus and not interrupted you in between the posts, (which would be of extreme bad taste of course.) I'd like to request CCCNP permission to use the court's transcripts and reproduce the material exposed at the next edition of Hot Magazine, where we'll be making an extensive presentation regarding Celebrity Stalking and the Capsuleer reflections on the matter. I'll be contacting many capsuleers to collect opinions and I'd appreciate to have this case as primary evidence of subject matter. Chipmo, do you have time today for an interview with me regarding the case? Anything we publish in public is open to be re-used by anyone who can think of a suitable purpose. Your more than welcome to use the transcript or parts of it in your magazine. Also, I will be online this evening, I have no major operations planned so I'll be able to do an interview. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:56:00 - [155] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake I doubt very much if there would have any verdict other than guilty. You mean , given Archbishop's own behaviour and posting history of course. If there was no evidence, there wouldn't be a case at first place. Instead of coming here to defend something that is clearly evident to anyone with galnet access, would PIE Inc. be prepared to do a legitimate post declaring a change of intentions and directions and apologising for the unhealthy behaviour and calumnies that it has been exposing IGS readers without ceasing? Is there even the minimum chance that we'll see PIE Inc. starting again in a fresh light where the black muddy reputation of stalkers can be forgotten with time and replaced by a new trend of positive and healthy input here on IGS? Aren't the press meant to maintain at least the illusion of impartiality? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:00:00 - [156] Originally by: Mazca Lopez Evidence was presented to the court in hardcopy. I should hope it was to be presented here aswell, as the transcripts alone only affirmes the accusations and renders little or no basis for public scrutiny in regards to the fairness of the verdict. I will not be posting documents given in private. Jasmine / Revan are free to share what they did with me in court if they wish, but I will not breach the confidence invested in the court. I asked Wrongsides to provide the transcript of the case that was stated in YWS0-Z here as a courtesy to those who were unable to attend, it is not meant to validate my verdict or actions in any way. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:05:00 - [157] Originally by: Rodj Blake Aren't the press meant to maintain at least the illusion of impartiality? Are you implying that impartiality means that I should lie or disguise the obvious nature of the case? If there wasn't an overwhelming number of posts made by Archbishop himself as verification of the charges placed upon him, you could at least ask me not to. Do you have anything to say regarding his and your obsessive behaviour firmly based on your galnet history posting and if we are going to see a change in directions from PIE Inc.? Thank you Chipmo, I'll contact you as soon as I can access my pod.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:08:00 - [158] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake Aren't the press meant to maintain at least the illusion of impartiality? Are you implying that impartiality means that I should lie or disguise the obvious nature of the case? If there wasn't an overwhelming number of posts made by Archbishop himself as verification of the charges placed upon him, you could at least ask me not to. Do you have anything to say regarding his and your obsessive behaviour firmly based on your galnet history posting and if we are going to see a change in directions from PIE Inc.? Thank you Chipmo, I'll contact you as soon as I can access my pod. What I'm suggesting is that you've become little more than a mouthpiece for Revan and Jade. If you were truly impartial, you'd do a little digging around the history of events leading up to this case, taking into account both sides of the story. For example, have you considered any narratives other than the officially sanctioned SF/SS one? As for a change of direction - why? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:14:00 - [159] Edited by: Blanche Genevre on 24/05/2010 14:14:33 Originally by: Rodj Blake What I'm suggesting is that you've become little more than a mouthpiece for Revan and Jade. If you were truly impartial, you'd do a little digging around the history of events leading up to this case, taking into account both sides of the story. For example, have you considered any narratives other than the officially sanctioned SF/SS one? As for a change of direction - why? I'm open to consider any narratives that are related to the case. For what I see, my records already accumulates over 100 posts made by you and Archbishop directly pointing to every single charge that Archibishop was charged as guilty. And that was just the start of my research. Do you deny that there are plenty of evidence on galnet and your post history connected to this case in particular? As for change in direction, I mean if do you have an intention to stop stalking, using of false testimony and harassing the celebrities hereby involved? If you have time for an interview I'd gladly hear your answers in a more detailed matter. But please don't waste my time if you're going to deny the undeniable. Your corporation seems to have fallen into an obsessive pattern of stalking these both capsuleers. Are we going to see a change of direction to something more profitable?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:17:00 - [160] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 14:17:59 Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake What I'm suggesting is that you've become little more than a mouthpiece for Revan and Jade. If you were truly impartial, you'd do a little digging around the history of events leading up to this case, taking into account both sides of the story. For example, have you considered any narratives other than the officially sanctioned SF/SS one? As for a change of direction - why? I'm open to consider any narratives that are related to the case. For what I see, my records already accumulates over 100 posts made my you and Archbishop directly pointing to every single charge that Archibishop was charged as guilty. Do you deny that there are plenty of evidence on galnet and your post history connected to this case in particular? You're taking everything presented at face vaule. Whilst its true that Archbishop did make claims regarding Revan being a slaver, have you considered the possiblity that when he did so he was not deliberately deviating from the truth? Now, you may say that Revan had denied the allegation, but why should such a denial be believed considering her own history of telling outrageous whoppers (her claims regarding Fensi spring to mind here)? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:26:00 - [161] Originally by: Rodj Blake You're taking everything presented at face vaule. Whilst its true that Archbishop did make claims regarding Revan being a slaver, have you considered the possiblity that when he did so he was not deliberately deviating from the truth? Now, you may say that Revan had denied the allegation, but why should such a denial be believed considering her own history of telling outrageous whoppers (her claims regarding Fensi spring to mind here)? I'll correct myself. Making a new account I have found over 134 posts made by Archbishop and yourself related to all charges involved: Defamation. Invasion of privacy. Stalking. I'm also going through an extensive record from Revan Neferis and out of this case, I have found, 3 posts on the same amount of time where she relates to the man Archbishop. It's a huge disparity, don't you agree? I'm doing an extensive research for the edition of hot magazine and so far I'm yet to find evidence from any points that contradicts this verdict. Even if the court didn't exist, the fact of defamation, obsessive compulsory stalking of said personality is undeniable. I'm more interested on the psychological side of this case. Why the obsessive pattern and what makes PIE Inc to insist on stalking such personalities? I'll tender again my invitation for you to present your point of view on Hot Magazine when the full story will be published and examined at length. When is it the best time to find you at your pod?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:35:00 - [162] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake You're taking everything presented at face vaule. Whilst its true that Archbishop did make claims regarding Revan being a slaver, have you considered the possiblity that when he did so he was not deliberately deviating from the truth? Now, you may say that Revan had denied the allegation, but why should such a denial be believed considering her own history of telling outrageous whoppers (her claims regarding Fensi spring to mind here)? I'll correct myself. Making a new account I have found over 134 posts made by Archbishop and yourself related to all charges involved: Defamation. Invasion of privacy. Stalking. I'm also going through an extensive record from Revan Neferis and out of this case, I have found, 3 posts on the same amount of time where she relates to the man Archbishop. It's a huge disparity, don't you agree? I'm doing an extensive research for the edition of hot magazine and so far I'm yet to find evidence from any points that contradicts this verdict. Even if the court didn't exist, the fact of defamation, obsessive compulsory stalking of said personality is undeniable. I'm more interested on the psychological side of this case. Why the obsessive pattern and what makes PIE Inc to insist on stalking such personalities? I'll tender again my invitation for you to present your point of view on Hot Magazine when the full story will be published and examined at length. When is it the best time to find you at your pod? Please could you provide the dates during which this "3 posts vs 134 posts" discrepancy is meant to have happened? As for an interview, I'm always happy to talk to unbiased representatives of the press. However, since you have shown yourself to be anything but unbiased, I think that I'll make my own points in public rather than rely on you. What do I mean by unbiased? Well, in my opinion an unbiased journalist questions things rather than taking them at face value - even when speaking to a friend. You have shown that you are unwilling to do this where SF/SS are concerned. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:38:00 - [163] Originally by: ChipMo I will not be posting documents given in private. They were not given to you in private though, but rather in your capacity of independant arbitrator, conducting a public hearing. Originally by: ChipMo Jasmine / Revan are free to share what they did with me in court if they wish, but I will not breach the confidence invested in the court. I should hope they choose to do so. Justice is not well served behind closed doors.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:43:00 - [164] Edited by: Blanche Genevre on 24/05/2010 14:46:06 Edited by: Blanche Genevre on 24/05/2010 14:44:48 Originally by: Rodj Blake I think that I'll make my own points in public rather than rely on you. If that's the case I don't see why I should trust you any information that I intend to rely fully on the next edition of Hot Magazine where the Celebrity Stalking and Obsessive compulsory behaviour will be fully analysed and studied. You have been unwilling to answer any of my questions, to refute any of the evidences presented by your post history or to engage on any honest open debate considering the case. I question your judgement to consider the press biased or unbiased. I believe that you would only consider a press to be unbiased if it states that nothing of the history posts here actually exists and that your behaviour and Archbishop's behaviour can be fully endorsed by any sane capsuleer. I'm sorry, I represent the press, it doesn't mean that I'm willing to ignore the facts that everyone, I repeat, everyone, can check for themselves. ( your and Archbishop's history posts on galnet) Hot Magazine will continue to bring only the facts to light, this is a compromise that I won't change to suit your case. And as you have refused to refute your case in an interview for Hot Magazine (in the same fashion as Archbishop has refused to defend himself) I believe that there isn't much that you can do here to weight in your favour at this point.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:53:00 - [165] Originally by: Mazca Lopez I should hope they choose to do so. Justice is not well served behind closed doors. I'd like to make a simple observation here and that is, evidences of court cases, civil, or criminal have only to be presented to the court judge, and those representing both parts involved, meaning Archbishop's and Revan's attourney. As long as the public is concerned, there is nothing that imposes inside court evidences to be presented to those who did not engage on the proceedings. ( sadly for the press, I can't ask access to it either) The only obligatory connection between the evidences and the public is the Judge himself. So I can only ask by this point, if are you questioning Chipmo's integrity on the capacity to judge and relay a verdict based on his analyses of the document presented?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:58:00 - [166] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 14:59:11 Again Blanche, your unwillingness to question the "evidence" is telling. Without wishing to tell you how to do your job, perhaps you should consider putting the following questions to ChipMo, Jasmine or Revan when you next interview them: It has been claimed that "nobody in this Star Cluster has written more about my client than this man (name unknown) simply recognized by his alias ôarchbishopö who as one time CEO of PIE Inc. has made his lifeÆs work the posting of invective" Where is there evidence for this, particularly when one compares Archbshop's record compared to the number of self-publicising posts made by Revan? It was also claimed that "it should mentioned at this point that ôarchbishopö speaking personally and acting through his hired agent ôMurkonö have publicly condemned CCCNP has having ôno authorityö over themselves or their actions." Surely, a simple reading of the court's own charter shows that this is indeed the case? Why have Revan's claims to have given up slavery been taken at face value, particularly when she previously gave it up as a part of a deal with the Sisters of Eve but then later reneged on that deal? Has the court inspected her facilities? Does the court consider Revan Neferis to be an ethical person when even her own counsel admits that she has taken part in "rituals both sublime and profane?" Would the prosecution team like to expand on their claim that Neferis has "never been is a liar" given her past false claims regarding a number of things, not least her conversion of an entire planet in the Fensi system to her faith? The prosecution claimed that they had "literally hundreds of separate posts and public statements put onto galnet with the assertion that Revan Neferis is still a slaver." Were these posts passed to the court in full, and have theye been fully verified? The prosecution also claimed that Archbishop had "filled hundreds of thousands of words with clear lies intended to defame the character of my client in the attempt to portray her falsely as a slaver." Was any evidence of this presented? And that's just a few of the obvious questions relating to the first testimony that a responsible journalist would be asking. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:06:00 - [167] Originally by: Rodj Blake And that's just a few of the obvious questions relating to the first testimony that a responsible journalist would be asking. I'm a journalist not your attorney and I'm not here to play your part on a judgement of a case that has been closed. These questions should have been presented by the defence inside the court if you think they are so relevant to the case. Again, I'll repeat. A verdict was issued and as a journalist I'm here to provide news regarding the verdict and to collect my own informations for the next Hot Magazine edition that will deal with the subject: Celebrity Stalking and Compulsive Obsession., the very charges that a member of your corporation has been found guilty.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:09:00 - [168] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 15:09:02 Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake And that's just a few of the obvious questions relating to the first testimony that a responsible journalist would be asking. I'm a journalist not your attorney and I'm not here to play your part on a judgement of a case that has been closed. These questions should have been presented by the defence inside the court if you think they are so relevant to the case. Except that presenting the evidence would have not have altered the verdict of the prejudiced court. Quote: Again, I'll repeat. A verdict was issued and as a journalist I'm here to provide news regarding the verdict and to collect my own informations for the next Hot Magazine edition that will deal with the subject: Celebrity Stalking and Compulsive Obsession., So go out there and collect your information rather than just let one side of the debate give it to you. Quote: the very charges that a member of your corporation has been found guilty. By a court that couldn't even uphold its own procedures. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:17:00 - [169] Originally by: Mazca Lopez They were not given to you in private though, but rather in your capacity of independant arbitrator, conducting a public hearing. It was not a public hearing. It was a CCCNP court case that is open to the public, should they wish to attend. Our obligations are to our clients, we are not here to pander to the public with pantomime and theatrics. Also, if you read what was said in court: "[ 2010.05.22 22:58:26 ] Jasmine Constantine > Copies of this material will be made available for your perusal at your personal terminal - with detail and links" It was specifically sent to me rather than presented in open court. You must understand these charges deal with issues of a very personal nature, including unorthodox use of ladies underwear. I see no reason why embarrassing details of this nature should be exposed further to the public. The defendants privacy has already been imposed on enough through this ordeal. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:19:00 - [170] Originally by: Rodj Blake By a court that couldn't even uphold its own procedures. You're of course entitled to your opinions but your recurrent concern to present yourself here gives us the opposing impression, mind you. We just concern ourselves as much towards something when this something really means a hell of a lot to us. I'm very interested on the case that's why I'm here. As The Star Fraction holds Sovereignty under the system on which the court is presented, and it's endorsed by another member of the said new providence, the court's verdict is automatically valid within its own area of influence and I'm sure that there is little you can say about that fact. Again you give me the impression that you're trying to use the press to defend your corporation's reputation here and that's not very nice of you. As a journalist, I'll simply do my work and present the case study as I intended to. If you have anything you'd like to say from your point of view during an interview, Hot Magazine will gladly consider it. Otherwise, Don't try to use me to make a point in your favour here. It just doesn't bide well for you and yours on top of everything else.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:20:00 - [171] Originally by: ChipMo You must understand these charges deal with issues of a very personal nature, including unorthodox use of ladies underwear. I see no reason why embarrassing details of this nature should be exposed further to the public. The defendants privacy has already been imposed on enough through this ordeal. And was this real evidence, or just yet another one of Jasmine's unsubstantiated claims? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:25:00 - [172] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake By a court that couldn't even uphold its own procedures. You're of course entitled to your opinions but your recurrent concern to present yourself here gives us the opposing impression, mind you. It's not just me who thinks that though. Even an SF pilot has broken ranks to make a similar point. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:30:00 - [173] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake By a court that couldn't even uphold its own procedures. You're of course entitled to your opinions but your recurrent concern to present yourself here gives us the opposing impression, mind you. It's not just me who thinks that though. Even an SF pilot has broken ranks to make a similar point. And I have asked said pilot if he is putting the reputation of his former Corporation and member at stake, haven't I? Why are you refusing to engage the questions that I have presented to you? And if you're not concerned with the legitimacy of this court and neither the legitimacy of Hot Magazine, why do you insist on the consistent return? Is it a practice from your organization to breach your own declarations of intend so fast?
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:37:00 - [174] Originally by: Blanche Genevre ...evidences of court cases, civil, or criminal have only to be presented to the court judge, and those representing both parts involved, meaning Archbishop's and Revan's attourney. So I can only ask by this point, if are you questioning Chipmo's integrity on the capacity to judge and relay a verdict based on his analyses of the document presented? I am not questioning Chipmo's integrity. He has shown many times that he is worthy of my trust in space, and I would hope he doesn't see this as an attack on him or his court in any regard. However I would urge those involved to make this process as transparent as possible, and not proceed in a manner that would bring into question the legitimacy and integrity of Chipmo, the court or Star Fraction (regardless of separation our names is inevitably entangled) The defendant made the choice not to partake and thus there is no one to dispute the evidence presented. That is unfortunate as that in itself would be enough for any opposition to the ruling of the court to speculate on the validity of the courtÆs decision, motives, intentions thus damage further any fragile credibility such an establishment needs to thrive. Further I personally believe that anyone claiming jurisdiction, or in any way claims cause for passing judgment on his fellow man, must be able for his verdicts to stand up to public scrutiny for no other reason that that is how decentralization of power and individual freedom is best preserved.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:39:00 - [175] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 15:40:35 Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake By a court that couldn't even uphold its own procedures. You're of course entitled to your opinions but your recurrent concern to present yourself here gives us the opposing impression, mind you. It's not just me who thinks that though. Even an SF pilot has broken ranks to make a similar point. And I have asked said pilot if he is putting the reputation of his former Corporation and member at stake, haven't I? Why are you refusing to engage the questions that I have presented to you? I'm not refusing. To answer your question as to whether I am questioning Chipmo's integrity on the capacity to judge and relay a verdict based on his analyses of the document presented, then the answer is a simple yes. Quote: And if you're not concerned with the legitimacy of this court and neither the legitimacy of Hot Magazine, why do you insist on the consistent return? One minute you're complaining that I don't answer your questions, and the next you're going on about me replying to you. You can't have it both ways! The simple answer is that when someone says something that I disagree with, I sometimes feel the need to set the record stright. And it just so happens that this place, with its neutral moderation, is a better place to do it than an obviously biased kangaroo court. Quote: Is it a practice from your organization to breach your own declarations of intend so fast? What declarations of intent are we meant to have breached? I must congratulate you Blanche - you're finally learning to ask questions that aren't sycophantic pleadings. Now, perhaps you could throw a few juicy ones at ChipMo, Revan and Jasmine. After all, you wouldn't want people to think that you're biased, would you? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Fridarey Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:40:00 - [176] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake By a court that couldn't even uphold its own procedures. You're of course entitled to your opinions but your recurrent concern to present yourself here gives us the opposing impression, mind you. It's not just me who thinks that though. Even an SF pilot has broken ranks to make a similar point. I'm sure Free Captain Lopez will enjoy being forcibly inducted into Archbishop extra court procedural supra-legal defense team by you Rodj Blake. I'm just as sure that Free Captain Lopez will enjoy you misrepresenting his words as a general attack on the validity of the court proceedings since its obvious through his specific words he supports your attack on basis of the Archbishop trial right? Right?
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:46:00 - [177] Originally by: Mazca Lopez I am not questioning Chipmo's integrity. He has shown many times that he is worthy of my trust in space, and I would hope he doesn't see this as an attack on him or his court in any regard. However I would urge those involved to make this process as transparent as possible, and not proceed in a manner that would bring into question the legitimacy and integrity of Chipmo, the court or Star Fraction (regardless of separation our names is inevitably entangled) The defendant made the choice not to partake and thus there is no one to dispute the evidence presented. That is unfortunate as that in itself would be enough for any opposition to the ruling of the court to speculate on the validity of the courtÆs decision, motives, intentions thus damage further any fragile credibility such an establishment needs to thrive. Further I personally believe that anyone claiming jurisdiction, or in any way claims cause for passing judgment on his fellow man, must be able for his verdicts to stand up to public scrutiny for no other reason that that is how decentralization of power and individual freedom is best preserved. Are you asking ChiPmo's clients to breach their trust on the confidentiality of a court's hold powers over any internal evidence which is considered by justice as "holy" as much as a patient would trust their doctor on the medical vows of trust, just to indulge the public with such documents of sensible nature? If ChiPmo is the medium between such documents and the public, and his verdict was exposed, it's exactly his capacity to judge that you're contesting here, together with the legitimacy of his court at the eyes of the public. ( As Rodj Blake has pointed it ) Is it safe to say that even the Star Fration doesn't trust this public service?
Rosalund Shaw Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:48:00 - [178] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 14:59:11 Again Blanche, your unwillingness to question the "evidence" is telling. Without wishing to tell you how to do your job, perhaps you should consider putting the following questions to ChipMo, Jasmine or Revan when you next interview them: It has been claimed that "nobody in this Star Cluster has written more about my client than this man (name unknown) simply recognized by his alias ôarchbishopö who as one time CEO of PIE Inc. has made his lifeÆs work the posting of invective" Where is there evidence for this, particularly when one compares Archbshop's record compared to the number of self-publicising posts made by Revan? It was also claimed that "it should mentioned at this point that ôarchbishopö speaking personally and acting through his hired agent ôMurkonö have publicly condemned CCCNP has having ôno authorityö over themselves or their actions." Surely, a simple reading of the court's own charter shows that this is indeed the case? Why have Revan's claims to have given up slavery been taken at face value, particularly when she previously gave it up as a part of a deal with the Sisters of Eve but then later reneged on that deal? Has the court inspected her facilities? Does the court consider Revan Neferis to be an ethical person when even her own counsel admits that she has taken part in "rituals both sublime and profane?" Would the prosecution team like to expand on their claim that Neferis has "never been is a liar" given her past false claims regarding a number of things, not least her conversion of an entire planet in the Fensi system to her faith? The prosecution claimed that they had "literally hundreds of separate posts and public statements put onto galnet with the assertion that Revan Neferis is still a slaver." Were these posts passed to the court in full, and have theye been fully verified? The prosecution also claimed that Archbishop had "filled hundreds of thousands of words with clear lies intended to defame the character of my client in the attempt to portray her falsely as a slaver." Was any evidence of this presented? And that's just a few of the obvious questions relating to the first testimony that a responsible journalist would be asking. Can't help but notice you aren't trying to throw any kind of doubt on the allegations that Archbishop attempted to procure used panties from Neferis for whatever "private devotional uses" he intended for them. Thats very telling
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:51:00 - [179] Originally by: Rodj Blake I must congratulate you Blanche - you're finally learning to ask questions that aren't sycophantic pleadings. I wish I could say the same about you, but I can't. Your behaviour is very disturbing.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:51:00 - [180] Originally by: Rosalund Shaw Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 14:59:11 Again Blanche, your unwillingness to question the "evidence" is telling. Without wishing to tell you how to do your job, perhaps you should consider putting the following questions to ChipMo, Jasmine or Revan when you next interview them: It has been claimed that "nobody in this Star Cluster has written more about my client than this man (name unknown) simply recognized by his alias ôarchbishopö who as one time CEO of PIE Inc. has made his lifeÆs work the posting of invective" Where is there evidence for this, particularly when one compares Archbshop's record compared to the number of self-publicising posts made by Revan? It was also claimed that "it should mentioned at this point that ôarchbishopö speaking personally and acting through his hired agent ôMurkonö have publicly condemned CCCNP has having ôno authorityö over themselves or their actions." Surely, a simple reading of the court's own charter shows that this is indeed the case? Why have Revan's claims to have given up slavery been taken at face value, particularly when she previously gave it up as a part of a deal with the Sisters of Eve but then later reneged on that deal? Has the court inspected her facilities? Does the court consider Revan Neferis to be an ethical person when even her own counsel admits that she has taken part in "rituals both sublime and profane?" Would the prosecution team like to expand on their claim that Neferis has "never been is a liar" given her past false claims regarding a number of things, not least her conversion of an entire planet in the Fensi system to her faith? The prosecution claimed that they had "literally hundreds of separate posts and public statements put onto galnet with the assertion that Revan Neferis is still a slaver." Were these posts passed to the court in full, and have theye been fully verified? The prosecution also claimed that Archbishop had "filled hundreds of thousands of words with clear lies intended to defame the character of my client in the attempt to portray her falsely as a slaver." Was any evidence of this presented? And that's just a few of the obvious questions relating to the first testimony that a responsible journalist would be asking. Can't help but notice you aren't trying to throw any kind of doubt on the allegations that Archbishop attempted to procure used panties from Neferis for whatever "private devotional uses" he intended for them. Thats very telling You missed the part where I said "And that's just a few of the obvious questions relating to the first testimony that a responsible journalist would be asking." I suspect that if I were to query every falsehood, blind assertion and logical error given by the prosecution, we'd be here for a very long time indeed and certain people would accuse me of either nit-picking or trying to derail the thread. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:57:00 - [181] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Are you asking ChiPmo's clients to breach their trust on the confidentiality of a court's hold powers over any internal evidence which is considered by justice as "holy" as much as a patient would trust their doctor on the medical vows of trust, just to indulge the public with such documents of sensible nature? Certainly. No principle is so æholyÆ that it doesnÆt stand to change in the face of logic and reason. By the way, I speak in the capacity of a free pilot, that has the ability to do so.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:58:00 - [182] Originally by: Rodj Blake You missed the part where I said "And that's just a few of the obvious questions relating to the first testimony that a responsible journalist would be asking." Are you going to answer the first question that I have asked you, as to why the reason of years of obsessive stalking over said personalities? Is there a psychological reason or religious obligations behind such behaviour from you and Archibishop?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:58:00 - [183] Originally by: Rodj Blake I suspect that if I were to query every falsehood, blind assertion and logical error given by the prosecution, we'd be here for a very long time indeed and certain people would accuse me of either nit-picking or trying to derail the thread. Or, indeed, of stalking.
Rosalund Shaw Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:58:00 - [184] Originally by: Rodj Blake You missed the part where I said "And that's just a few of the obvious questions relating to the first testimony that a responsible journalist would be asking." I can't really think of anything more obvious than that. The fact you were trying to draw attention away from that issue makes you look guilty.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:02:00 - [185] Originally by: Mazca Lopez Originally by: Blanche Genevre Are you asking ChiPmo's clients to breach their trust on the confidentiality of a court's hold powers over any internal evidence which is considered by justice as "holy" as much as a patient would trust their doctor on the medical vows of trust, just to indulge the public with such documents of sensible nature? Certainly. No principle is so æholyÆ that it doesnÆt stand to change in the face of logic and reason. By the way, I speak in the capacity of a free pilot, that has the ability to do so. So you are attesting that future clients and Revan Neferis shouldn't trust this court's procedures as they will be pressed by a member of Star Fraction to breach a principle of justice (the very principle that they're defending) and expose evidence and material which should be fully protected by their own rights?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:02:00 - [186] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 16:03:58 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 16:02:54 Originally by: Blanche Genevre Originally by: Rodj Blake You missed the part where I said "And that's just a few of the obvious questions relating to the first testimony that a responsible journalist would be asking." Are you going to answer the first question that I have asked you, as to why the reason of years of obsessive stalking over said personalities? Is there a psychological reason or religious obligations behind such behaviour from you and Archibishop? That question contains the supposition that Archbishop and I have been stalking people. We haven't, so the question is meaningless. If you want an answer as to why we sometimes speak out against self-declared enemies of ours, it's because we tend to speak out against anyone who tries to attack the reputation of either the Empire, the loyalist capsuleer community, or PIE. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Katyayani Koriau Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:06:00 - [187] Originally by: Mazca Lopez Originally by: Blanche Genevre Are you asking ChiPmo's clients to breach their trust on the confidentiality of a court's hold powers over any internal evidence which is considered by justice as "holy" as much as a patient would trust their doctor on the medical vows of trust, just to indulge the public with such documents of sensible nature? Certainly. No principle is so æholyÆ that it doesnÆt stand to change in the face of logic and reason. By the way, I speak in the capacity of a free pilot, that has the ability to do so. You aren't a free pilot you are drone maggot. Leave Anarchists and fall on your knees to GOD and maybe you find mercy. GOD loves sinner redeemed beg his great foregiveness animal.
Rosalund Shaw Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:09:00 - [188] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 16:03:58 If you want an answer as to why we sometimes speak out against self-declared enemies of ours, it's because we tend to speak out against anyone who tries to attack the reputation of either the Empire, the loyalist capsuleer community, or PIE. Lol at the word sometimes. I never see you post about anything else! You are so a stalker!
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:13:00 - [189] Originally by: Rodj Blake That question contains the supposition that Archbishop and I have been stalking people. We haven't, so the question is meaningless. Do you deny that the quantity of posts that you both dedicate to each thread said personalities issues are overwhelming compared with any other trend of rivalry that we are used to see on IGS? Originally by: Rodj Blake If you want an answer as to why we sometimes speak out against them, it's because we tend to speak out against anyone who tries to attack the reputation of either the Empire, the loyalist capsuleer community, or PIE. Based on that assumption, if you consider IGS posting history we will find that 99.9% of the posts are from you and Archbishop going to interact inside their posts and not the other way around. As much as I'd like to find evidence to your claim, I can firmly attest for example that Revan Neferis almost never posts outside her own threads, meaning that she pretty much mind her own business. Your answer seems to be contradictory with the IGS post history of the parts involved.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:16:00 - [190] Originally by: Blanche Genevre So you are attesting that future clients and Revan Neferis shouldn't trust this court's procedures as they will be pressed by a member of Star Fraction to breach a principle of justice (the very principle that they're defending) and expose evidence and material which should be fully protected by their own rights? I am not pressing anything. I have qualified why I find transparency to be paramount regarding justice. Dogmatic principles means little to me. What is this suppose to mean though: Originally by: Blanche Genevre the reputation of his former Corporation and member at stake
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:24:00 - [191] Originally by: Mazca Lopez I am not pressing anything. I have qualified why I find transparency to be paramount regarding justice. Dogmatic principles means little to me. Dogmatic principles makes the set of parameters to qualify justice. It even gives legitimacy to the process and ChiPmo's as an oversee. What are you requesting here is a breach of such policies and a distrust of the clients towards the validity of the Court and its judge. If it's not your intention, I must strongly open your eyes to the fact that this is exactly how it's coming through by the lenses of an outsider reader following the process. Originally by: Mazca Lopez What is this suppose to mean though: Originally by: Blanche Genevre the reputation of his former Corporation and member at stake Both you and ChiPmo are members of the Jericho Fraction, your former corporation ( organization) By asking for a breach on his principles and the mistrust of his clients, I'm asking if you are formally putting at stake the reputation of your organization's endorsement of his efforts.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:38:00 - [192] Originally by: ChipMo It was not a public hearing. It was a CCCNP court case that is open to the public, should they wish to attend. Our obligations are to our clients, we are not here to pander to the public with pantomime and theatrics. I will simply sign here and commend Chipmo's integrity and assurance of Law and its procedures. The case is closed, the individual charged guilty and to me as soon as the court releases its final reports related to the reparations required, the case is completely over, unless I find myself in need to seek justice again to more extreme penalties due to the constant recurrence of said crimes. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:45:00 - [193] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Both you and ChipMo are members of the Jericho Fraction, your former corporation ( organization) By asking for a breach on his principles and the mistrust of his clients, I'm asking if you are formally putting at stake the reputation of your organization's endorsement of his efforts. Mazca is still a member of Jericho Fraction. I should also explain the CCCNP does not have any endorsement from The Star Fraction. Sure, some of my co-pilots like what I'm attempting to do, other will question aspects of it. Much like the public at large, while I may not respond directly to all concerns raised I do read them and consider them on their merits. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:50:00 - [194] Originally by: Blanche Genevre What are you requesting here is a breach of such policies and a distrust of the clients towards the validity of the Court and its judge. No. I have stated why i find it in the best intrest of the court and the clients to embrace maximum transparency. Originally by: Blanche Genevre Both you and ChiPmo are members of the Jericho Fraction, your former corporation ( organization) why do you say my former corporation... Are you under the impression that i am about to withdraw myself or be removed from Star Fraction?
Vaarun Amarr Imperio Obscura	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:53:00 - [195] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Why the obsessive pattern and what makes PIE Inc to insist on stalking such personalities? Somewhere along the line this notion of "stalking" came to be, and it has been propped as some sort of justification or defense to criticizing PIE. Why is that? When one is looking for a fight, it is easy to set your scan to a 15 degree arc instead of a 360 degree arc. The same applies here. Did you ever consider that the topics PIE would most likely respond to were those topics which were directed against the Empire? Those who are being "stalked" may be guilty themselves of "stalking" the Empire and PIE is merely meeting them head-on. Now, Revan has allied herself with True Power, who are an enemy of all factions, yet you still defend her? When the Sansha threat has been taken care of, I assume many parties will be seeeking payment for damages and lost ships from Revan as she is a vocal and visible supporter of True Power. It seems Revan has a habit of making outrageous claims and actions to illicit a response. If anything, PIE is only guilty of giving her any notice. But if anyone dares speak or act against the Empire, PIE will be there to be sure. It was Revan who came to THEM, not the other way around... "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 16:57:00 - [196] Originally by: Mazca Lopez No. I have stated why i find it in the best intrest of the court and the clients to embrace maximum transparency. Against the precepts of dogmatic justice. Right Originally by: Blanche Genevre Are you under the impression that i am about to withdraw myself or be removed from Star Fraction? Considering the way you have been posting since my last edition of Hot magazine I'm almost inclined to believe that you're working against its leaders, associates, members and principles. That puts my word former into context. Take it as you wish, the impression of public relations is yours to consider, not mine. And rolling eyes aren't doing much to add to your case either. It's your own house after all, if you want to defame it, who am I to say the contrary. Nonetheless I believe that I have enough material to work on my subject and I'll now proceed with said interviews.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:02:00 - [197] Originally by: Vaarun It was Revan who came to THEM, not the other way around... Again the IGS post history shows the contrary. I can't publish anything that aren't solid facts. Stalking is what is happening, from Archbishop's and Rodj's part and only a change on behaviour and future trends can perhaps shadow a little this uncomfortable and undeniable IGS track. It's no one's fault but their own.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:08:00 - [198] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Again the IGS post history shows the contrary. I can't publish anything that aren't solid facts. Stalking is what is happening, from Archbishop's and Rodj's part and only a change on behaviour and future trends can perhaps shadow a little this uncomfortable and undeniable IGS track. It's no one's fault but their own. The implications of this train of thought are pretty hefty. If consistent disagreement with ones' enemies and regular protestations of their activities constitutes stalking, then we are all guilty, every one of us who speak in this summit. Revan's frequent presentation of opportunities for her detractors to disagree and/or protest does not make those comments any more obsessive than if I come here and speak once a month and the regular U'K or SF pilot speaks out against what I say.
Chell Charon The Seven's Low-Sec Securitas	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:11:00 - [199] CCCNP is no more than an Anarchist doing his best to mock all courts in all systems of Eve. a decent enough joke, I guess. Citizen Charon.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:13:00 - [200] Originally by: Blanche Genevre Considering the way you have been posting since my last edition of Hot magazine I'm almost inclined to believe that you're working against its leaders, associates, members and principles. That puts my word former into context. Take it as you wish, the impression of public relations is yours to consider, not mine. Voicing that freedom can exist without love, and for transparency in justice, against, NOT SF members, but Revan and You, surely must mean that I am a raving detractor on a vendetta against my Alliance and its principles. Allow me to enlighten you. Assimilation and conformity are not Star Fraction virtues. We value individual freedom, diversity and discourse higher, and I would be betraying our principles if I were to bite my lip and bow my head at the first sign of disagreement.
Rosalund Shaw Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:14:00 - [201] Originally by: Garreck The implications of this train of thought are pretty hefty. If consistent disagreement with ones' enemies and regular protestations of their activities constitutes stalking, then we are all guilty, every one of us who speak in this summit. I don't think it does though. This isn't about consistent disagreement its about embarrassing levels of obsessional stalking and we all know its going on. The person this trial was brought against doesn't do ANYTHING except post diatribes and froth against a couple of people. Its all he's done for YEARS. He doesn't have any other interests, lacks all other reputation. All he does is troll posts by the people's he's obsessessed with (well that and sponser slaving missions to the state through his man Murkon). Quote: Revan's frequent presentation of opportunities for her detractors to disagree and/or protest does not make those comments any more obsessive than if I come here and speak once a month and the regular U'K or SF pilot speaks out against what I say. You aren't obsessed and frothing mad though (from what I've seen). And you aren't there day after day night after night hitting reply reply quote quote reply reply within minutes of your enemy's posting. Its all a question of scale and volume really (and being caught in public lies like Archbiship/Murkon have been.)
Fridarey Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:19:00 - [202] Originally by: Mazca Lopez Originally by: Blanche Genevre Considering the way you have been posting since my last edition of Hot magazine I'm almost inclined to believe that you're working against its leaders, associates, members and principles. That puts my word former into context. Take it as you wish, the impression of public relations is yours to consider, not mine. Voicing that freedom can exist without love, and for transparency in justice, against, NOT SF members, but Revan and You, surely must mean that I am a raving detractor on a vendetta against my Alliance and its principles. Allow me to enlighten you. Assimilation and conformity are not Star Fraction virtues. We value individual freedom, diversity and discourse higher, and I would be betraying our principles if I were to bite my lip and bow my head at the first sign of disagreement. Truth. Unlike Amarrian Nationalists we aren't required to post lies on the IGS to save the blushes of our panty-acquiring ex CEO's after embarrassing court cases Anarchists disagree about things. Shock Horror news report at 11. The thing about Star Fraction is we consider our personal freedom and right to speak as we choose of the utmost importance, nobody joins the Free Captains to be a doormat to anybody else's ego.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:20:00 - [203] Originally by: Garreck The implications of this train of thought are pretty hefty. If consistent disagreement with ones' enemies and regular protestations of their activities constitutes stalking, then we are all guilty, every one of us who speak in this summit. Revan's frequent presentation of opportunities for her detractors to disagree and/or protest does not make those comments any more obsessive than if I come here and speak once a month and the regular U'K or SF pilot speaks out against what I say. There's a common sense to all. Seeing pilots disagreeing on base to base terms is the core of IGS philosophy. When you seek the pilot's history it's easy to track a diversity of trends, which are the very core aspects that makes them a capsuleer. When you contrast this with posts of two men who have 90% or more of all their writings dedicated to one single obsession, it's called stalking. No matter how you put it but someone else here said a few words that matches the reality: I've never seen you posting anything else! That's stalking. I can understand that a personality of such impact on eve cluster as Revan Neferis and her powerful influence under the auspices of celebrity status can enhance and stimulate such behaviour and even infatuation from some capsuleers but the point I seek to determine is when it crosses limits of obsession. This is what we'll be covering on the next edition of Hot Magazine.
Blanche Genevre Gallente Hot Magazine	Posted - 2010.05.24 17:31:00 - [204] Originally by: Mazca Lopez Revan and You, surely must mean that I am a raving detractor on a vendetta against my Alliance and its principles. As I said, public relations of your own alliance is your problem. If you think that such declarations weights well to your Alliance and Chipmos endeavours, I'll simply add to my remarks that you have a strange way to do public relations. The influence and impact of your words are only upon your alliance. Nothing else, or anyone else is affected by your constant disagreements with those you call comrades. Last I saw Revan isn't an anarchist, she operates under a dictatorial religious system, so I doubt that your propaganda anti dogmatic procedures here has any impact on her decisions.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 18:21:00 - [205] Originally by: Blanche Genevre The influence and impact of your words are only upon your alliance. Nothing else, or anyone else is affected by your constant disagreements with those you call comrades. Constant... yes... all two of them as of late... I am sure that Star Fractions good name is not going down in flames over the fact that its membership is encouraged to speak their mind when they so pleases without the fear of being gagged, although some of our membership does enjoy it from time to time in more private surroundingsà
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 18:25:00 - [206] Ms Constantine says it best when she talks about the power of ideas and of words. This whole demonstration is a perfect case-in-point. The trial itself was merely words, any defense would've been presented in words, and the only justice to be found was in the idea of one man's guilt and the percieved vindication of the plaintif. All of these words surrounding an idea...and the intent is clear; to marginalize one man's words with words and thereby marginalize his ideas. Perhaps another hoped-for consequence is to silence other critics who may fear similar marginalization through accusations of stalking. The goal of monopolizing the summit as a sounding board for one set of ideas becomes clear if you put all of this in context, really. It's pretty clever.
Vaarun Amarr Imperio Obscura	Posted - 2010.05.24 20:09:00 - [207] Originally by: Blanche Genevre I can't publish anything that aren't solid facts. Really? Then your story on this "trial" will be quite short. This trial has nothing but skew and supposedly a great deal of evidence that was not made public. In the end, it seems Archbishop's well-advised decision to not take part in this farce was essentially taken as an admission of guilt. And again, "stalking" comes up, but was not listed in the initial charges. Stalking would be very hard to prove in a public forum and citing evidence that no one will bring forth (and pointing to the sum of the IGS postings is not sufficient) should carry no weight. Like I said before, the verdict was set before this trial was convened. This court has taken the path of least resistance to come to a conclusion that was forged long ago. How convenient. No matter, even if found "guilty" of any charges, this court is in no position to enforce a punishemnt in any form. "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2010.05.24 20:12:00 - [208] Can I be official CCCNP approved stalker too? Jade, maybe you want to start a case? ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 20:31:00 - [209] Originally by: Blanche Genevre When you contrast this with posts of two men who have 90% or more of all their writings dedicated to one single obsession, it's called stalking. Are you suggesting that I have 90% or more of all of my writings dedicated to one subject? And if you are, how exactly did you arrive at that figure? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.24 21:34:00 - [210] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 24/05/2010 21:34:49 It pleases me to see the desperation of the nationalist block after this verdict was issued and the crimes of stalking, false testimony, invasion of privacy among others were clearly stamped on the individual's face as a red warning. It is my intention to continue to collect evidences on this very thread of the corrupted length of these people's mind and how their faith and organizations operate, evading justice when called into it, but yet, overflowing IGS with empty post mortem words after the case is closed proving the very charges and making other very clear examples of their abuse. May it serve well as a warning to all on the nature of such diseased individuals who have descended into the pits of madness beyond hope and have dedicated their very breath to live in function of the success of another. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Vlad Cetes Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.24 21:36:00 - [211] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/05/2010 20:41:19 Originally by: Blanche Genevre When you contrast this with posts of two men who have 90% or more of all their writings dedicated to one single obsession, it's called stalking. Are you suggesting that I have 90% or more of all of my writings are dedicated to one subject? She is correct. 90% of your writings detail how you have failed to accomplish anything substantial.
Fridarey Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 21:50:00 - [212] Originally by: Merdaneth Can I be official CCCNP approved stalker too? Jade, maybe you want to start a case? Thats a bit desperate isn't it? Tell you what I'll show you a picture postcard we picked up in Kamela. Suits you sir!
Fridarey Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.24 22:18:00 - [213] Originally by: ChipMo You must understand these charges deal with issues of a very personal nature, including unorthodox use of ladies underwear. I see no reason why embarrassing details of this nature should be exposed further to the public. The defendants privacy has already been imposed on enough through this ordeal.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.24 23:36:00 - [214] Originally by: ChipMo You must understand these charges deal with issues of a very personal nature, including unorthodox use of ladies underwear. I see no reason why embarrassing details of this nature should be exposed further to the public. The defendants privacy has already been imposed on enough through this ordeal. As the individual you claim is the "defendant" I don't mind one bit so please feel free. It's hilarious material and the minute you let your CCCNP initiative turn into the "panty court" you lost whatever credibility you'd hope to have when you started it. To see the Star Fraction reduced to this is truly worth the price of having been charged and "convicted" in your kangaroo court. I've even had evemails from Matari enemies telling me how hysterical they've found this whole circus so please continue. After all people know what kind of person I really am and they know what type of people Revan and Jade really are. In the end I'm very happy with that. So by all means I agree with Mazca... "intimate details"?... post away and don't worry about your "defendant"... /Archbishop returns to reading more of the "court transcript" and his slaves wonder what is going on as they hear hysterical laughter coming from their masters study. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL
Sorus Chatelain Amarr Sacred Ring of Sarum	Posted - 2010.05.24 23:57:00 - [215] Originally by: Archbishop ... the minute you let your CCCNP initiative turn into the "panty court" ... Originally by: Fridarey I'm not sure I can look at anything you post in quite the same way again.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.24 23:58:00 - [216] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 25/05/2010 00:04:41 Originally by: Archbishop After all people know what kind of person I really am and they know what type of people Revan and Jade really are. So by all means I agree with Mazca... "intimate details"?... /Archbishop returns to reading more of the "court transcript" and his slaves wonder what is going on as they hear hysterical laughtercoming from their masters study. Archbishop I believe that all the prosecutor's presentation can be well resumed into this very post. Quoting for posterity and definite proof of the depths of madness, obsession and disgusting criminal behaviour and desperation of this absolutely sick individual and recurrence of charged crimes. Ladies and gentlemen, I present you the true face of PIE Inc. Jasmine Constantine > This is a man with an obsessional drive to pry into the privacy and sexual mores of another capsuleer who's dark desires have taken him past the edge of madness Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.25 00:05:00 - [217] Originally by: Archbishop So by all means I agree with Mazca... "intimate details"?... post away and don't worry about your "defendant"... I'm not sure I want to hear too much more about your panty-fetish really. shivers its all a bit too much to process... Chatsubo RP Discussion
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.05.25 00:51:00 - [218] Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 25/05/2010 00:07:30 Originally by: Archbishop After all people know what kind of person I really am and they know what type of people Revan and Jade really are. So by all means I agree with Mazca... "intimate details"?... /Archbishop returns to reading more of the "court transcript" and his slaves wonder what is going on as they hear hysterical laughtercoming from their masters study. Archbishop I believe that all the prosecutor's presentation can be well resumed into this very post. Quoting for posterity and definite proof of the depths of madness, obsession and disgusting criminal behaviour and desperation of this absolutely sick individual and recurrence of charged crimes. Ladies and gentlemen, I present you the true face of PIE Inc. Jasmine Constantine > This is a man with an obsessional drive to pry into the privacy and sexual mores of another capsuleer who's dark desires have taken him past the edge of madness Jasmine Constantine > He is a perverse creature of strange appetites and drives, beloved of the whip and vitoc needle and control glaive and seems to have conceived an abiding fantasy of control that involves Jasmine Constantine > involves the rest of the universe kneeling and begging forgiveness and letting him teach knowledge of the psalms and scriptures before bending over to receive punishment at ôgods divine handö. Jasmine Constantine > LetÆs just cut to the chase. This is a horny amarrian BSDM freak with an unhealthy fascination for a woman he canÆt have and can never ôtrain.ö Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Hmm, this reminds me of when I presented the facts on Revans sexual transmitted virus she contracted from Jadder. But mine actually somewhat enraged her, like, she became "inflamed" the moment it was brought to public knowledge.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 00:59:00 - [219] Originally by: Invelious Hmm, this reminds me of when I presented the facts on Revans sexual transmitted virus she contracted from Jadder. And here ladies and gentlemen, is yet another amarr nationalist on his pick of intellectual IGS supremacy. I believe that further words aren't necessary, they are self- expressive in matters of displaying the character of such organizations. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.05.25 01:10:00 - [220] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Invelious Hmm, this reminds me of when I presented the facts on Revans sexual transmitted virus she contracted from Jadder. And here ladies and gentlemen, is yet another amarr nationalist on his pick of intellectual IGS supremacy. I believe that further words aren't necessary, they are self- expressive in matters of displaying the character of such organizations. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Pathetic, the weight of this statement is undone by your support of this "Jasmine Constantine > LetÆs just cut to the chase. This is a horny amarrian BSDM freak with an unhealthy fascination for a woman he canÆt have and can never ôtrain.ö" Same filth different spin.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 01:22:00 - [221] Originally by: Invelious Pathetic, the weight of this statement is undone by your support of this "Jasmine Constantine > LetÆs just cut to the chase. This is a horny amarrian BSDM freak with an unhealthy fascination for a woman he canÆt have and can never ôtrain.ö" thank you for adding your disgusting words to make weight to the prosecutors charges. Unfortunately, we can verify here that Jasmine is absolutely correct in her statements. We are dealing with sick people like you, who the best IGS prowess is such displays of intellectual morbidities. It's very important that I give this opportunity to the readers of IGS to see with their own eyes the veracity of each of the charges and the lengths that you and yours can go to satisfy your obsessive need to stalk and pry over famous successful capsuleers. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.05.25 02:05:00 - [222] Edited by: Invelious on 25/05/2010 02:05:50 Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Invelious Pathetic, the weight of this statement is undone by your support of this "Jasmine Constantine > LetÆs just cut to the chase. This is a horny amarrian BSDM freak with an unhealthy fascination for a woman he canÆt have and can never ôtrain.ö" thank you for adding your disgusting words to make weight to the prosecutors charges. Unfortunately, we can verify here that Jasmine is absolutely correct in her statements. We are dealing with sick people like you, who the best IGS prowess is such displays of intellectual morbidities. It's very important that I give this opportunity to the readers of IGS to see with their own eyes the veracity of each of the charges and the lengths that you and yours can go to satisfy your obsessive need to stalk and pry over famous successful capsuleers. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik "Jasmine Constantine > LetÆs just cut to the chase. This is a horny amarrian BSDM freak with an unhealthy fascination for a woman he canÆt have and can never ôtrain.ö" Provide factual evidence that supports this claim. Do it. I call out everyone who has supported this claim against Archbishop to present factual proof of that quote by Jasmine Constantine. This isnt stalking you wench, it is defense of a innocent man against non-factual dribble that you are presenting here. Anyone making such a claim of any of my allies would recieve the same defence from me. You say we stalk and are obsessed with your posts, HA!, if the majority of your posts didnt contain some form of Anti-Amarrian propaganda, then we wouldnt be inclined to post. Again, provide proof of your claims, because what Constantine is stating is personal oppinion and nothing that is valid or factual in a court of law in any civilised nation, Amarrian or non.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 02:15:00 - [223] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 25/05/2010 02:16:39 Originally by: Invelious "Jasmine Constantine > LetÆs just cut to the chase. This is a horny amarrian BSDM freak with an unhealthy fascination for a woman he canÆt have and can never ôtrain.ö" Provide factual evidence that supports this claim. Do it. Archbishops last post here and your post are self evidence of it to IGS readers. The levels of your obsessions knows no limits. Your organizations are tainted by it. You'll have to live with the shame of your own behaviour. Next, as to provide evidence, it was already done and the court have found him GUILTY, in case you missed the memo. You are of course welcome to continue to come here and add examples of how sick and disgusting he really is and adding your own sexuality issues into the prosecutor's agenda. I consider it a public service that you're doing, exposing yourself to the same level in a single place for fast verification of facts. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Rosalund Shaw Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.25 02:16:00 - [224] Originally by: Invelious Edited by: Invelious on 25/05/2010 02:05:50 Provide factual evidence that supports this claim. Do it. I call out everyone who has supported this claim against Archbishop to present factual proof of that quote by Jasmine Constantine. Again, provide proof of your claims, because what Constantine is stating is personal oppinion and nothing that is valid or factual in a court of law in any civilised nation, Amarrian or non. You missed your chance to speak in CCCNP during the hearing. If you cared about clearing this guys name shouldn't you have turned up and debated the evidence then? At this point the judgement is in and you just look like sour grapes crying about the verdict you don't like.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2010.05.25 04:07:00 - [225] Edited by: Invelious on 25/05/2010 04:07:55 Originally by: Rosalund Shaw Originally by: Invelious Edited by: Invelious on 25/05/2010 02:05:50 Provide factual evidence that supports this claim. Do it. I call out everyone who has supported this claim against Archbishop to present factual proof of that quote by Jasmine Constantine. Again, provide proof of your claims, because what Constantine is stating is personal oppinion and nothing that is valid or factual in a court of law in any civilised nation, Amarrian or non. You missed your chance to speak in CCCNP during the hearing. If you cared about clearing this guys name shouldn't you have turned up and debated the evidence then? At this point the judgement is in and you just look like sour grapes crying about the verdict you don't like. The evidence can still be presented regardless if this "trial" is finished. The fact that none of these degenerates are able to produce hard evidence is supporting the fact that this Chipmo side show of a court is exactly what it is, bulls**t.
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.25 05:37:00 - [226] This thread delivers. Thanks everyone. ---
Tetseptus Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.25 10:48:00 - [227] Detractors that are crowing for æproofÆ seem to be forgetting that, had Archbishop presented a representative at the Court, the proof would have been made available to them. All debating of the finer points ought to have been done by a defence representative. If the Court appears one-sided, it is because the defendant failed to present a defense. Which is precisely what ChipMo meant by the notion that the Court is only as powerful as the power invested in it by the parties. There was no power to the defense as none was given by the defendant. A very simple detail to grasp, in my opinion. Further, the Court is entirely independent of Star Fraction, despite members of Star Fraction taking part. Detractors have always failed utterly to grasp how we can operate as a unit and still be individuals.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 10:51:00 - [228] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 25/05/2010 10:53:32 Originally by: Invelious The evidence can still be presented regardless if this "trial" is finished. Originally by: Invelious bulls*t. Have I told you how I love to see you suffer* little worm? Nothing like seeing you post such desperate lines... Ah Darv is right, this thread sure delivers. It's been a while since I've seen the Amarr Nationalist so desperate and sinking so low in their despair. It's palpable. One can already feel the taste of the ultimate humiliation, mouth foaming, when the sentence is carried on the CCCNP report about the character of "Archbishop" is delivered to public perusal. Ahhhhh good times. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Darina Rea Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.05.25 11:04:00 - [229] If the court appears one-sided, it is the courts task to make up for it and put some effort in not appearing to be one-side. At least, that would be my reasoning. In this case the court knew that one party would not be represented at all afore hand. It also knew that one party would be able to influence the judge, as he is still in the same alliance and one of the parties has a great influence on the leadership of that same alliance. On both accounts it also did nothing whatsoever about it. A simple suggested course would have been to hire or find a neutral party to be the judge of the case. Preferably one from outside of Providence as this case had nothing to do with disputes in space. Another suggested course would be to hold the court on neutral ground, such as Yulai or basicly any other high security system where influence from outside sources (such as blowing up either party) would not happen. Instead the court happily proceeded where it should just have halted. I am aware that none of the court would see it that way, at least not in public and hindsight is always 20/20 and this just the viewpoint of this outsider, but it is how I view this entire case. Do with it what you like. _________ _________ Time is on our side.
lucifers widow Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.05.25 11:17:00 - [230] Originally by: Darveses This thread delivers. Thanks everyone. It does ? You really should get out more if you think that.
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.25 11:30:00 - [231] Originally by: lucifers widow Originally by: Darveses This thread delivers. Thanks everyone. It does ? You really should get out more if you think that. If you know a place to find more loyalist tears than here by all means, indulge me! ---
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 11:34:00 - [232] Originally by: Darveses If you know a place to find more loyalist tears than here by all means, indulge me! Oh I'd like to know that too. Loyalist tears are my preferred taste of affairs here. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Darina Rea Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.05.25 12:23:00 - [233] Because helping ridicule the efforts of someone that's trying to establish an impartial court system for a laugh and a giggle is good form and due process. Or perhaps he was just not trying or went with the option of a few laughs at someone's expense because it wasn't working anyway. From the reactions.. it probably is the latter case, which is a pity, but oh well.. moving on. _________ _________ Time is on our side.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 12:46:00 - [234] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 25/05/2010 12:53:32 Originally by: Tetseptus the defendant failed to present a defense. And we all know why. There is no defence to 5 years of evidence posted here by himself showing clearly his obsessional behaviour. The fact that IGS collects such records and cannot be altered and that there are long time users of this venue who are very aware of his obsessional sickness made the case lost to him. And he knew it very well. I'm glad that this can be a warning to new capsuleers who can now avoid to fall prey of the same sick group. I highly encourage a full review of this thread and a careful observation on all posts including the desperate loyalist group with their style of posting, retrograde rhetoric, false testimonies and desperate attempts to shadow the verdict. Since the truth has been brought forth, we can see that this thread has been clustered with their bitter tears. Originally by: ChipMo Case N¦: 00001-112, Revan Neferis vs Archbishop. The charges here made against Archbishop have been found as follows: The charge of defamation û Guilty. The charge of invasion of privacy û Guilty. The charge of using false testimony to the detriment of Revan Neferis û Guilty. How we intend to proceed; first a document regarding the nature of the man known as ôArchbishopö will be drawn up and presented to the public to serve as a warning to all those who may have potential dealings with this man in future. Second, the CCCNP fully endorse any future action Revan Neferis may wish to undertake to persecute Archbishop for these offences have our backing and he will have no recourse against such action via the CCCNP. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.25 13:52:00 - [235] Originally by: Darina Rea Because helping ridicule the efforts of someone that's trying to establish an impartial court system for a laugh and a giggle is good form and due process. Or perhaps he was just not trying or went with the option of a few laughs at someone's expense because it wasn't working anyway. From the reactions.. it probably is the latter case, which is a pity, but oh well.. moving on. Sweetie, who here is laughing at Chip's work? Right. What people are laughing at, though, are those who desperately try to invalidate it in a discussion about baseless semantics. Let's face the truth: Why did Archbishop choose to not defend himself? The answer to that is painfully obvious: Because he knew what would happen if he did. Not because the court is supposedly biased three times to hell and back, but because even the best advocate can't make the back-breaking evidence that is the Intergalactic Summit and every single one of Revan's threads Archbishop posted in over the last six years go away. So instead, he chose to let his defence slip and let the trial happen in his absence in a futile attempt to make Chip and the court look bad to the neutral observer by, supposedly, breaking a rule rephrased for convenience of the party. The court has only so much power and influence than is granted to them by the two parties. If you don't grant them any power at all, as Archbishop chose to do, the only thing you can lose is your reputation. And, well, as prior to this whole thing there already wasn't much of his good reputation left, the decision may have been a lot easier than outsiders might think. *This* is what people are laughing at. Not the attempt to create a neutral harbor in a world so full of grudge, hate and biases that it could pregnate a mummified prehistorical rhinoceros. ---
Jev North Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:01:00 - [236] Originally by: Darveses This thread delivers. Thanks everyone. Gotta agree. The charges were suitably lurid, the defendants amusingly bumbling in the thread and absent in the courtroom -- all in all it was fairly popcorn-worthy. If only they made IV popcorn, right? On a more serious note, though entertaining, it's something of a shame things went the way they did. A trial in absentia of a party who doesn't acknowledge the authority of the court is not a very satisfying test of the court's deciding power and impartiality. I'd like to think something of a defense would have been possible, at least in principle. I'm also troubled by some aspects of the sentence. Specifically, denying the defendant the ability to bring grievances to the court. It seems like poetic justice for what could be construed as contempt of the same court, but there's this thing about poetic justice -- it often isn't. Given the self-formed mandate of the court, it's of course entirely free to choose which cases to reject or accept, but I would humbly ask the court to consider justice as a natural right. In most systems of law, criminals do not lose personhood; no matter their crimes, injustices can still be perpetrated on them, and they are permitted to seek redress for this, even if their crime happened to be contempt of court. I would also like to ask the court to allow a limited window of appeal after a conviction in absentia. It's somewhat customary in other systems; it allows for a little leeway considering human events, or contrition in the face of the full consequences a guilty verdict could bring. If nothing else, these two considerations could drum up some extra business, too.
Darina Rea Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:17:00 - [237] Originally by: Darveses Sweetie, who here is laughing at Chip's work? Right. What people are laughing at, though, are those who desperately try to invalidate it in a discussion about baseless semantics. Let's face the truth: Why did Archbishop choose to not defend himself? The answer to that is painfully obvious: Because he knew what would happen if he did. Not because the court is supposedly biased three times to hell and back, but because even the best advocate can't make the back-breaking evidence that is the Intergalactic Summit and every single one of Revan's threads Archbishop posted in over the last six years go away. So instead, he chose to let his defence slip and let the trial happen in his absence in a futile attempt to make Chip and the court look bad to the neutral observer by, supposedly, breaking a rule rephrased for convenience of the party. The court has only so much power and influence than is granted to them by the two parties. If you don't grant them any power at all, as Archbishop chose to do, the only thing you can lose is your reputation. And, well, as prior to this whole thing there already wasn't much of his good reputation left, the decision may have been a lot easier than outsiders might think. *This* is what people are laughing at. Not the attempt to create a neutral harbor in a world so full of grudge, hate and biases that it could pregnate a mummified prehistorical rhinoceros. Dearest Darveses, If I was being judge by a court completely made up of my enemies and the court would take place in, for me, hostile territories, I'd know whatever my defence would be it would never be good enough to compensate for the simple fact that I am an enemy to the people of that court. These whole proceedings are detrimental to Chip's work, by the simple fact that whichever way I look at it, the entire court, from judge to jury as they say, is biased towards Revan and against Archbishop. Every player in judging the case, and I do mean every, is somehow affiliated with Star Fraction, safe for Archbishop himself. So I'm not laughing at Archbishop no, even though you are. I'm feeling sorry for Chip, that his hard work is being ridiculed by this farce of a case. And that ridicule comes from you too. 'this thread delivers'. Is that what a court case should do? Amuse you? It should settle a dispute, right a wrong! But no, base entertainment it is. Thanks to you and the others like you. Pitiful. _________ _________ Time is on our side.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:38:00 - [238] Originally by: Darveses Let's face the truth: Why did Archbishop choose to not defend himself? The answer to that is painfully obvious: Because he knew what would happen if he did. Not because the court is supposedly biased three times to hell and back, but because even the best advocate can't make the back-breaking evidence that is the Intergalactic Summit and every single one of Revan's threads Archbishop posted in over the last six years go away. Years and Years of continuous Stalking, slandering and clustering IGS with his obsession isn't easily hidden. Unfortunately for him, he carries the criminal evidence like a watermelon hanging on his neck at each post for the best portion of past and recent years. Everyone reading Archbishop's post history will find a very disturbed individual who have dedicated the best portion of his life to harassment and continuous obsession. This court just brought the case to light, nothing changes the facts that he is GUILTY of every single charge laid upon him, and guilty by his own admission. Again: years of obsessive behaviour will not vanish in one night. He got caught and exposed to the ridiculous affair that his life has been for the past years. He made the bed, now he was brought to lay on it. And the best outcome of this is indeed the tears of the blind and the desperation of some trying to hold to strings of an illusion that his posts don't exist and that amarr loyalist is something else than a bunch of desperate, illiterate, crass and low level people who cannot live besides their obsession, completely lack of capacity of any worth achievement at space and deprived of the minimum levels of intellectual capability. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Darina Rea Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:50:00 - [239] Edited by: Darina Rea on 25/05/2010 14:50:28 Ugh, you try to hard. It's unsightly. Please do keep your composure. _________ _________ Time is on our side.
Darveses DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:53:00 - [240] Originally by: Darina Rea Dearest Darveses, If I was being judge by a court completely made up of my enemies and the court would take place in, for me, hostile territories, I'd know whatever my defence would be it would never be good enough to compensate for the simple fact that I am an enemy to the people of that court. These whole proceedings are detrimental to Chip's work, by the simple fact that whichever way I look at it, the entire court, from judge to jury as they say, is biased towards Revan and against Archbishop. Every player in judging the case, and I do mean every, is somehow affiliated with Star Fraction, safe for Archbishop himself. So I'm not laughing at Archbishop no, even though you are. I'm feeling sorry for Chip, that his hard work is being ridiculed by this farce of a case. And that ridicule comes from you too. 'this thread delivers'. Is that what a court case should do? Amuse you? It should settle a dispute, right a wrong! But no, base entertainment it is. Thanks to you and the others like you. Pitiful. I must urge you to read my and maybe also check out Fridarey's posts again. My post, to re-emphasize what we're actually laughing at, and Fridarey's for unrestricted hilarity. As for the first of your paragraphs, I have to agree to a degree. It is true that the court consists of enemies of Archbishop, and it is true that the trial took place in hostile territory. However, free passage was granted to him, and as was the right to defend himself and effectively, by doing so, breaking the "whole court against me" situation. He chose to respect neither. ChipMo set up a neutral court. And as long as its cases look like this, he will never get the chance to proof his genuine intentions to anyone. If people mistrust him just because he's a member of the Star Fraction, embracing their prejudices and pulling out of the court because they are sure they can't win due to judge biases, this will never change and a great opportunity for Providence will be lost. ---
Zaranchek Xanthus Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:56:00 - [241] Originally by: Darina Rea Ugh, you try to hard. You just made sure to prove Revan's point. Originally by: Revan Neferis And the best outcome of this is indeed the tears of the blind and the desperation of some trying to hold to strings of an illusion that his posts don't exist and that amarr loyalist is something else than a bunch of desperate, illiterate, crass and low level people who cannot live besides their obsession, completely lack of capacity of any worth achievement at space and deprived of the minimum levels of intellectual capability. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Are you loyalists freaks really that stupid? And to think that for a moment I was almost dragged into this group of idiots at the Amarr channel, thank you Avan Morai for saving me from the despair to have my name tainted before it was too late.
Darina Rea Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:08:00 - [242] Edited by: Darina Rea on 25/05/2010 15:08:15 Originally by: Zaranchek Xanthus Originally by: Darina Rea Ugh, you try to hard. You just made sure to prove Revan's point. I did? The comment was meant at the continued flaunting, which seemed to be quite unladylike behaviour to me and to not mention, unnecessary. Court displays are already such a dislikable event that.... Eww.. Originally by: Darveses ChipMo set up a neutral court. And as long as its cases look like this, he will never get the chance to proof his genuine intentions to anyone. If people mistrust him just because he's a member of the Star Fraction, embracing their prejudices and pulling out of the court because they are sure they can't win due to judge biases, this will never change and a great opportunity for Providence will be lost. I agree with you completely. Therefor it just troubles me that he has chosen to go ahead with it in this manner, going ahead with the case rather then see the potential damage it would do to the CCCNP as it would confirm the courts bias... It would be nice if a real case would present itself ofcourse, but if proceedings are the same as with this one... I am sorry, but I would not take my chances. _________ _________ When carrying even a candle light of hope in your heart, life will
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:16:00 - [243] Originally by: Zaranchek Xanthus You just made sure to prove Revan's point. They do it every single time they post. It's quite unbelievable but as you can see, they keep coming for more. Originally by: Zaranchek Xanthus And to think that for a moment I was almost dragged into this group of idiots at the Amarr channel, thank you Avan Morai for saving me from the despair to have my name tainted before it was too late. Ah yes, I remember the day when I got Avan's message telling me about you. I'm glad that you have indeed seen the light before falling into such disgusting group. This thread will serve well for new capsuleers to avoid their trap too. And I need to talk to you doctor, get yourself to space as soon as you can. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
Zaranchek Xanthus Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:22:00 - [244] Originally by: Revan Neferis They do it every single time they post. It's quite unbelievable but as you can see, they keep coming for more. I can see that. Originally by: Revan Neferis And I need to talk to you doctor, get yourself to space as soon as you can. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik As you wish Sovereign, I'll be there as soon as possible.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.25 16:34:00 - [245] Just feel I should say a few words here after my first ever professional legal case! I'm obviously very pleased with the verdict and glad that my client was completely satisfied with the advocacy and prosecution statements I put onto the record at the CCCNP. I would say to people crying into their cornflakes about the verdict ... "serves you right for not turning up to say your part." Everyone was granted free access to the court location and I know for a fact the Tower guns would have protected the bashing bishop and his defense team if he'd summoned the tiniest fraction of courage and attended the trial. Miss Neferis was a perfect client, followed court proceedure without problems, and provided everything I needed to get the conviction she sought of this serial panty-thieving thread-stalking vitoc-fueled sexual miscreant and I'm glad we now have a stone cold 100% guarenteed judgement on his wrongdoing to confront any (sadly inevitable) further behaviour of this kind. So roll up roll up! Are you being threatened by lewd behaviour? Hassled by brown-robed monks flashing their "scriptures" in the stairwell? Sick of finding intrusive scribblings in your mailbox? I'll put a stop to it with Neutral Blaster Cannon powered-legal advise and stop the panty-thieves in their tracks! Advocacy Representation Arbitration Combat Feuds and Violence a Specialty I'm not cheap but winning never is. Buy Justice!
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood The Final Stand.	Posted - 2010.05.25 17:17:00 - [246] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Miss Neferis was a perfect client, ...and provided everything I needed... May you continue to proclaim Justice with your sublimely sensual lips, and make sure to have it even more fully* in your heart.* You were perfect in every way and I'm very honoured to have given your first... professional case. It's said that the first is always unforgettable. Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik Watch Neferis Resort VII: Auctoramentum Gladiatorum
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.25 22:22:00 - [247] Originally by: Jev North Gotta agree. The charges were suitably lurid, the defendants amusingly bumbling in the thread and absent in the courtroom -- all in all it was fairly popcorn-worthy. If only they made IV popcorn, right? On a more serious note, though entertaining, it's something of a shame things went the way they did. A trial in absentia of a party who doesn't acknowledge the authority of the court is not a very satisfying test of the court's deciding power and impartiality. I'd like to think something of a defense would have been possible, at least in principle. I'm troubled by some aspects of the sentence. Specifically, denying the defendant the ability to bring grievances to the court. It seems like poetic justice for what could be construed as contempt of the same court, but there's this thing about poetic justice -- it often isn't. Given the self-formed mandate of the court, it's of course entirely free to choose which cases to reject or accept, but I would humbly ask the court to consider justice as a natural right. In most systems of law, criminals do not lose personhood; no matter their crimes, injustices can still be perpetrated on them, and they are permitted to seek redress for this, even if their crime happened to be contempt of court. I would also like to ask the court to allow a limited window of appeal after a conviction in absentia. It's somewhat customary in other systems; it allows for a little leeway considering human events, or contrition in the face of the full consequences a guilty verdict could bring. If nothing else, these two considerations could drum up some extra business, too. Hi Jev, thanks for the feedback. Just to clarify this aspect of the sentence regarding Archbishops ability to use the CCCNP in future - the limits imposed only refer to cases he may wish to peruse against Revan Neferis in future. He is still free to use the CCCNP for any other case he may wish to bring, we are essentially pre-justifying any action Revan takes against Archbishop in future due to the damages she has received to date. My initial feeling on appeals is not to have them, there is not yet a rule in place within the CCCNP to refuse appeals though, so if one is lodged it will be judged on the circumstances around the case. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!
Captain Blauvelt Gallente tHe MuFfIn SyNdIcAtE	Posted - 2010.05.25 22:45:00 - [248] Originally by: ChipMo My initial feeling on appeals is not to have them, there is not yet a rule in place within the CCCNP to refuse appeals though, so if one is lodged it will be judged on the circumstances around the case. ChipMo > Second, we at the CCCNP will fully endorse any future action that Revan Neferis undertakes against the defendant Archbishop & deny him the opertunity for recourse recourse = appeal.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.05.25 23:19:00 - [249] Originally by: Captain Blauvelt ChipMo > Second, we at the CCCNP will fully endorse any future action that Revan Neferis undertakes against the defendant Archbishop & deny him the opertunity for recourse recourse = appeal. Read it in context. He is denied any recourse against any actions undertaken by Revan Neferis. Got a dispute? Take it to court with the CCCNP!

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