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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.22 22:16:00 -
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I have been experimenting with t3 ships, first the Tengu - which I consider pretty well made. Then the Loki
For some inexplicable reason, Loki has very small cargo space. If you want to build roaming PvP setup similar to Vagabond, you get 280 m3 cargo. In comparison, the Vagabond gets 360 m3 cargo - which feels much more reasonable. The AC Loki setup gives bonus to projectile ROF, so the rate of ammo consumption is very high, which means the small cargo hold particularly annoying.
Basically, I'd want to see Loki cargo hold increased to at least 350 m3, similar to Vagabond. As far as game balance goes, the little extra space is not going to impact power balance in any noticeable way. However, the reduced cargo space serves as never ending annoyance to the player. Why needlessly annoy the player? let people enjoy slightly more cargo capacity.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.05.22 22:18:00 -
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sounds reaonable +1
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Grarr Dexx
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.05.23 00:18:00 -
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If they can fix something so needlessly pointless, I'm pretty sure they can fix the Legion in entirety.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.23 01:10:00 -
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Cargo capacity on combat ships is balanced around cap booster charges, not around ammo. I sort of assume that this was intentional.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.23 04:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Cargo capacity on combat ships is balanced around cap booster charges, not around ammo. I sort of assume that this was intentional.
Perhaps, but the amount of pure frustration caused by this seems to outweigh any minor game balance effect this may have.
Have you tried flying AC Loki?
How many combat ships you flown with 280 m3 or less cargo?
I bring this up because I tried it, and it sucks.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.23 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Cargo capacity on combat ships is balanced around cap booster charges, not around ammo. I sort of assume that this was intentional.
Perhaps, but the amount of pure frustration caused by this seems to outweigh any minor game balance effect this may have.
Have you tried flying AC Loki?
How many combat ships you flown with 280 m3 or less cargo?
I bring this up because I tried it, and it sucks.
Actually I do fly an AC Loki, and between the Ammo, the nanite repair paste, and the sisters probes in the hold, I'm using less than half of my available cargo space.
The only time I could see this really being an issue is if you were going out on hours long roams without stopping to resupply.
--Vel
Originally by: Jiseinoku
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.23 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
Actually I do fly an AC Loki, and between the Ammo, the nanite repair paste, and the sisters probes in the hold, I'm using less than half of my available cargo space.
The only time I could see this really being an issue is if you were going out on hours long roams without stopping to resupply.
Which is usually my style. Being in a noob corp, I have no blues, everybody is an enemy.
But even if it's no big deal for some people. Surely you wouldn't think that adding 70 m3 would make this ship overpowered? Which is also my point, the difference in game balance is too small compared to better overall enjoyment of flying the ship.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:12:00 -
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yes.
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Augustus Thorn
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:13:00 -
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cant see why not
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
Monks of War.
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:50:00 -
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My Loki setup has even 200m3  Now that's really pathetic, considering its sole purpose is to support my real combat ships holding some extra ammo, boosters and loot.
Fix this.
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De'Veldrin
Special Projects Executive
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.23 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Actually I do fly an AC Loki, and between the Ammo, the nanite repair paste, and the sisters probes in the hold, I'm using less than half of my available cargo space.
The only time I could see this really being an issue is if you were going out on hours long roams without stopping to resupply.
Which is usually my style. Being in a noob corp, I have no blues, everybody is an enemy.
But even if it's no big deal for some people. Surely you wouldn't think that adding 70 m3 would make this ship overpowered? Which is also my point, the difference in game balance is too small compared to better overall enjoyment of flying the ship.
Yeah, I can understand the nature of the complaint, and I don't really see an issue with it - I'll support it as a nice to have.
--Vel
Originally by: Jiseinoku
Mining is the path to enlightement.
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Musical Fist
Gallente
The Unknown Bar and Pub
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.23 14:44:00 -
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Fix the legion then other ships then your weight issues
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Jita Jenn
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Posted - 2010.05.23 16:01:00 -
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If my math is correct, you should be able to fit 22,400 rounds of medium projectile ammunition in a 280 m3 cargo bay. That's not a small amount by any standards. If you find yourself unable to carry enough ammo, maybe get a fleet member or two to carry some for you. Considering the other issues in game, I'd say this is way down on the list.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.05.23 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Jenn
If my math is correct, you should be able to fit 22,400 rounds of medium projectile ammunition in a 280 m3 cargo bay. That's not a small amount by any standards. If you find yourself unable to carry enough ammo, maybe get a fleet member or two to carry some for you. Considering the other issues in game, I'd say this is way down on the list.
you think that one only carries ammo and nothing more. but you also need nanite repair paste.
a bit spare room for loot.
220mm AC have 1.7s ROF on a loki with just 2 gyros (1.6s with 3). 2s with 425mm AC. so the potentiel 22400 rounds wouldnt last very long.
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Ignition SemperFi
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.05.23 19:59:00 -
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supportin dis
to those talking about 22k rounds being held.
you pack:
RF EMP
RF Fusion
Barrage
Thats sub 8k of each, not counting nanite paste. 8k of barrage wont last long when your trying to kill someone while fighting in falloff, let alone multiple people
all that being said, add it to my list of ship fixes
Fix Nighthawk grid
Fix Eagle grid
Fix Legion everything (proteus with lazors does more dmg)
Fix Retribution midslots
Fix Eos bandwidth to 100m
Fix Huginn to a 5/5 gun/missile layout
Fix/Rebalance angel ships
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.23 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Jenn
If my math is correct, you should be able to fit 22,400 rounds of medium projectile ammunition in a 280 m3 cargo bay. That's not a small amount by any standards. If you find yourself unable to carry enough ammo, maybe get a fleet member or two to carry some for you. Considering the other issues in game, I'd say this is way down on the list.
You should also keep in mind that when roaming, sometimes you get to kill something, and it would be nice to be able to scoop some loot, at least the valuable stuff. About 3-4 kills after you have no cargo left for anything
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