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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.12.08 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 08/12/2004 10:23:08
ferox pwns, simple as. try this setup out (fit named or tech2 as u see appropriate).
I mainly hunt serps, been doing a few complexs, up to 4/10 lvl with this setup:
4x250 rails
3xhvy launchers
3xhardners (i fit 2 kin and 1 therm for serps)
1xlarge SB (get a tech2 on there)
1xcap recharger
2xPDU II
1xmag field II
1xballistic control
Need full fitting skills to get it all on but it tanks for ages and dishes some serious dmg. 4 250s for long range cruisers, hvy launchers + drones for frigs and close range cruisers.
I agree it could probably do with a little more grid, say another 100/150 so that fitting 250's on is a bit easier but atm it aint totally gimped. If ur gonna pvp in it then fit an oversized and missile launchers. dont even think about rails if ur gonna pvp
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.12.08 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 08/12/2004 10:23:08
ferox pwns, simple as. try this setup out (fit named or tech2 as u see appropriate).
I mainly hunt serps, been doing a few complexs, up to 4/10 lvl with this setup:
4x250 rails
3xhvy launchers
3xhardners (i fit 2 kin and 1 therm for serps)
1xlarge SB (get a tech2 on there)
1xcap recharger
2xPDU II
1xmag field II
1xballistic control
Need full fitting skills to get it all on but it tanks for ages and dishes some serious dmg. 4 250s for long range cruisers, hvy launchers + drones for frigs and close range cruisers.
I agree it could probably do with a little more grid, say another 100/150 so that fitting 250's on is a bit easier but atm it aint totally gimped. If ur gonna pvp in it then fit an oversized and missile launchers. dont even think about rails if ur gonna pvp
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Randay
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Posted - 2004.12.08 10:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Necrologic
wait, let me get this straight. You are using 2 oversized ab's, and you are complaining about not having grid? Analyze these words "OVERSIZED AFTER BURNER" Your problem lies there.
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Randay
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Posted - 2004.12.08 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
wait, let me get this straight. You are using 2 oversized ab's, and you are complaining about not having grid? Analyze these words "OVERSIZED AFTER BURNER" Your problem lies there.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2004.12.08 11:04:00 -
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perhaps a missile velocity bonus would be more appropriate.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2004.12.08 11:04:00 -
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perhaps a missile velocity bonus would be more appropriate.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2004.12.08 11:47:00 -
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my ferox goes 4.6k ms infinite and shoots 5heavies and 2 dual 150mm, would b nice to have an missile bonus, maybe for speed or dmg.
giant ceptors works great :P
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2004.12.08 11:47:00 -
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my ferox goes 4.6k ms infinite and shoots 5heavies and 2 dual 150mm, would b nice to have an missile bonus, maybe for speed or dmg.
giant ceptors works great :P
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.12.08 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
my ferox goes 4.6k ms infinite and shoots 5heavies and 2 dual 150mm, would b nice to have an missile bonus, maybe for speed or dmg.
giant ceptors works great :P
and thats exactly why they are gonna stop people using setups like these 
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.12.08 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
my ferox goes 4.6k ms infinite and shoots 5heavies and 2 dual 150mm, would b nice to have an missile bonus, maybe for speed or dmg.
giant ceptors works great :P
and thats exactly why they are gonna stop people using setups like these
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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2004.12.08 13:43:00 -
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Afaik, if you could fit 5 250mm AND still have all low slots free, there would be something wrong.
Brutix has no missile hp's and only 1000 pg (before skills). Omg. it can't fit 7 250mm's/Neutrons without gimping the low slots. And it can't even fit launchers!
Solution for the brutix is to use electrons or smaller blasters. I would say for the Ferox, if you're going to use it as a sniper (which it ain't) you have to lower(?) the dot by fitting fewer guns and more launchers. Or else you could go for smaller guns, go closer and tank more.
With 50% range bonus (level 5) you should have plenty of range though, even with a 200mm. And with the 5/5 gun/launcher option you should also have a lot of choices.
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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2004.12.08 13:43:00 -
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Afaik, if you could fit 5 250mm AND still have all low slots free, there would be something wrong.
Brutix has no missile hp's and only 1000 pg (before skills). Omg. it can't fit 7 250mm's/Neutrons without gimping the low slots. And it can't even fit launchers!
Solution for the brutix is to use electrons or smaller blasters. I would say for the Ferox, if you're going to use it as a sniper (which it ain't) you have to lower(?) the dot by fitting fewer guns and more launchers. Or else you could go for smaller guns, go closer and tank more.
With 50% range bonus (level 5) you should have plenty of range though, even with a 200mm. And with the 5/5 gun/launcher option you should also have a lot of choices.
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magickangaroo
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Posted - 2004.12.08 14:55:00 -
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i quite like the following setup 5 250's 2 heavys's
medium 2 shild booster, tracking comp, shield hardeners (for agent missions ipu tin the 100 mn ab and leave it off line till i wizz round to catch the cans) 3 pdus in the low and a mag stab 2
getting hits on fast moving friagtes over 24 km with AM which means they go pop in one go and cruisers only last a bit longer. it tanks a heck of alot of dmg. so im happy with the bonus cos it turns it into a great sniper setup.
if ur gonna wack the 100 mn abs on for pvp then u loose the guns and use missles and 2 200 rails in teh remaing 2...
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magickangaroo
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Posted - 2004.12.08 14:55:00 -
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i quite like the following setup 5 250's 2 heavys's
medium 2 shild booster, tracking comp, shield hardeners (for agent missions ipu tin the 100 mn ab and leave it off line till i wizz round to catch the cans) 3 pdus in the low and a mag stab 2
getting hits on fast moving friagtes over 24 km with AM which means they go pop in one go and cruisers only last a bit longer. it tanks a heck of alot of dmg. so im happy with the bonus cos it turns it into a great sniper setup.
if ur gonna wack the 100 mn abs on for pvp then u loose the guns and use missles and 2 200 rails in teh remaing 2...
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2004.12.08 15:25:00 -
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The Ferox looks fine as it is.
If any ship needs it's gun bonus replaced, it's the Inquisitor (it gets -10% small energy cap use per level, but is a missile boat).
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2004.12.08 15:25:00 -
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The Ferox looks fine as it is.
If any ship needs it's gun bonus replaced, it's the Inquisitor (it gets -10% small energy cap use per level, but is a missile boat).
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2004.12.08 15:45:00 -
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I agree. The Ferox needs a missile launcher RoF and a missile damage bonus, so it's just as horribly overpowered as the other Caldari Missile boats.
/sarcasm.
Sure, give it 100 more powergrid so it can actually be a gunboat. Remove 4 of the 5 launcher slots then as well. And beef up the Brutix a bit while we're at it anyway.
The whole problem with the ship is its 5/5 slot layout.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2004.12.08 15:45:00 -
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I agree. The Ferox needs a missile launcher RoF and a missile damage bonus, so it's just as horribly overpowered as the other Caldari Missile boats.
/sarcasm.
Sure, give it 100 more powergrid so it can actually be a gunboat. Remove 4 of the 5 launcher slots then as well. And beef up the Brutix a bit while we're at it anyway.
The whole problem with the ship is its 5/5 slot layout.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.08 16:01:00 -
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missile bonus would probobly make ferox 2good...
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.08 16:01:00 -
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missile bonus would probobly make ferox 2good...
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marioman
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Posted - 2004.12.08 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: marioman on 08/12/2004 16:45:59
The biggest problem i see with the new ships in general is this:
A BC is a class above a cruiser yes?
A Destroyer is a class above Frigate yes?
i mean look at the cost of production
Ok so focusing on a BC, Thorax for example people fit 5 small neutron blasters since it cant fit 5 heavy neutrons and get about the same damage as using heavy electrons, anyway the point is the thorax can fit 5 of the best underclassed weapons, being frigate weapons, with out any mods using anything or adding grid and lvl 5 engi.
Ok now look at a Ferox, or brutix, cant they fit a full rack of the best underclassed guns (being cruiser since its a class under battlecruiser)? no it cannot
The ferox has a med hybrid bonus, 5 turret and 5 missle slots with 7 high slots, so the logical setup would be to fit 5 250mm's and 2 heavy launchers (a moa with 1 more 250mm) now since the Ferox is a class above a cruiser it should easily be able to fit undersized weapons of the best type...well 225x5 = 1125 grid, Ferox has a base of 925 with engi 5 thats 1156.25 grid, then you have 2 heavy launchers which are...uhm 85 each? or 75 cant remeber of the top of head, but thats 1295 grid for 5x 250mm rails and 2 heavy launchers (which remember are underclassed weapons for a battlecruiser). Sure u can use a couple PDS/RCUs but when looking back on a thorax does a thorax need to use RCU/PDU just to fit all 5 highs with underclassed weapons? Same goes for a destroyer, the cormorant can barely squeeze 7 150mm rails (underclassed weapons) and 1 std launcher specially with only a single low slot....i mean cmon the cormorant has the SAME Base grid as a Harpy, and the harpy has 3 less gun hardpoints...
the power grid wasnt well thought out for any of the new ships cept for the mining barge.
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marioman
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Posted - 2004.12.08 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: marioman on 08/12/2004 16:45:59
The biggest problem i see with the new ships in general is this:
A BC is a class above a cruiser yes?
A Destroyer is a class above Frigate yes?
i mean look at the cost of production
Ok so focusing on a BC, Thorax for example people fit 5 small neutron blasters since it cant fit 5 heavy neutrons and get about the same damage as using heavy electrons, anyway the point is the thorax can fit 5 of the best underclassed weapons, being frigate weapons, with out any mods using anything or adding grid and lvl 5 engi.
Ok now look at a Ferox, or brutix, cant they fit a full rack of the best underclassed guns (being cruiser since its a class under battlecruiser)? no it cannot
The ferox has a med hybrid bonus, 5 turret and 5 missle slots with 7 high slots, so the logical setup would be to fit 5 250mm's and 2 heavy launchers (a moa with 1 more 250mm) now since the Ferox is a class above a cruiser it should easily be able to fit undersized weapons of the best type...well 225x5 = 1125 grid, Ferox has a base of 925 with engi 5 thats 1156.25 grid, then you have 2 heavy launchers which are...uhm 85 each? or 75 cant remeber of the top of head, but thats 1295 grid for 5x 250mm rails and 2 heavy launchers (which remember are underclassed weapons for a battlecruiser). Sure u can use a couple PDS/RCUs but when looking back on a thorax does a thorax need to use RCU/PDU just to fit all 5 highs with underclassed weapons? Same goes for a destroyer, the cormorant can barely squeeze 7 150mm rails (underclassed weapons) and 1 std launcher specially with only a single low slot....i mean cmon the cormorant has the SAME Base grid as a Harpy, and the harpy has 3 less gun hardpoints...
the power grid wasnt well thought out for any of the new ships cept for the mining barge.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2004.12.08 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
I agree. The Ferox needs a missile launcher RoF and a missile damage bonus, so it's just as horribly overpowered as the other Caldari Missile boats.
/sarcasm.
Sure, give it 100 more powergrid so it can actually be a gunboat. Remove 4 of the 5 launcher slots then as well. And beef up the Brutix a bit while we're at it anyway.
The whole problem with the ship is its 5/5 slot layout.
More grid would be fine. It doesnt have the grid to be a gunboat, which is why the bonus sucks.
And for those who can't seem to understand: I'm not trying to fit Oversized + guns.
It seems to be a problem with all the BCs, not enough grid. But, for example, if a Brutix uses ions instead of Neuts, he still gets that damage bonus, and Ions are almost as good as Neuts anyways, so its no big deal. However, if you need to fit 200s or (gasp) dual 150s on Ferox instead of 250s, thats a big drop, as why do you need a optimal bonus on 200s or (gasp) dual 150s? The Ferox is apparently supposed to be a sniper with 250s, using its huge optimal to hit from long away, except that with its low grid it can't effectively make use of its Bonus, and instead of being the bigger brother of the moa its the bigger brother of the caracel.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2004.12.08 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
I agree. The Ferox needs a missile launcher RoF and a missile damage bonus, so it's just as horribly overpowered as the other Caldari Missile boats.
/sarcasm.
Sure, give it 100 more powergrid so it can actually be a gunboat. Remove 4 of the 5 launcher slots then as well. And beef up the Brutix a bit while we're at it anyway.
The whole problem with the ship is its 5/5 slot layout.
More grid would be fine. It doesnt have the grid to be a gunboat, which is why the bonus sucks.
And for those who can't seem to understand: I'm not trying to fit Oversized + guns.
It seems to be a problem with all the BCs, not enough grid. But, for example, if a Brutix uses ions instead of Neuts, he still gets that damage bonus, and Ions are almost as good as Neuts anyways, so its no big deal. However, if you need to fit 200s or (gasp) dual 150s on Ferox instead of 250s, thats a big drop, as why do you need a optimal bonus on 200s or (gasp) dual 150s? The Ferox is apparently supposed to be a sniper with 250s, using its huge optimal to hit from long away, except that with its low grid it can't effectively make use of its Bonus, and instead of being the bigger brother of the moa its the bigger brother of the caracel.
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Simen Looswe
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Posted - 2004.12.08 17:54:00 -
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If you want 5x 250 and 2x 100mn Ab, get a Battleship.
Make sure to pick one with enough gun-hardpoints though.
I'm sure someone can point you in the right direction.
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Simen Looswe
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Posted - 2004.12.08 17:54:00 -
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If you want 5x 250 and 2x 100mn Ab, get a Battleship.
Make sure to pick one with enough gun-hardpoints though.
I'm sure someone can point you in the right direction.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.12.08 22:29:00 -
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i think the main reason BC grid was nerfed was cos of 100mn MWD fitting. at only 2000 grid these could be fitted to a BC, plus a rack of frig guns and web/scramble then u have a super fast interceptor with even more firepower.
With the propulsion changes i hope they get rebalanced and get a bit more grid. I think BC should be able to fit a full rack of cruiser weps + a decent cruiser sized tank. As they stand they have little over a normal cruiser that justifies the 3x cost to build
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.12.08 22:29:00 -
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i think the main reason BC grid was nerfed was cos of 100mn MWD fitting. at only 2000 grid these could be fitted to a BC, plus a rack of frig guns and web/scramble then u have a super fast interceptor with even more firepower.
With the propulsion changes i hope they get rebalanced and get a bit more grid. I think BC should be able to fit a full rack of cruiser weps + a decent cruiser sized tank. As they stand they have little over a normal cruiser that justifies the 3x cost to build
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Ranschoeten
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Posted - 2004.12.08 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nomen Nescio
Hm lets see,
-SNIP-
Thorax - can't fit 5x250 rails, OMG
Tarantis - can't fit 3xNeutrons, OMG
-SNIP-
It's been a while since I flew a thorax, but I'd swear I had squeezed a full set of 250's on it at one point, though it took a lot of grid boosting. I know for a fact the Taranis can run a trio of neutrons just fine, I've got mine rigged with T2's as we speak.
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Ranschoeten
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Posted - 2004.12.08 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nomen Nescio
Hm lets see,
-SNIP-
Thorax - can't fit 5x250 rails, OMG
Tarantis - can't fit 3xNeutrons, OMG
-SNIP-
It's been a while since I flew a thorax, but I'd swear I had squeezed a full set of 250's on it at one point, though it took a lot of grid boosting. I know for a fact the Taranis can run a trio of neutrons just fine, I've got mine rigged with T2's as we speak.
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