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Nova Satar Annihilate.	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:03:00 - [1] A. Becuase they don't have missile skills for the phoon. I can't be arsed to give reasons, everybody with a brain already knows them. I want the tempest to be good! Becuase in theory it's an awesome ship, but in reality (lack of one lowslot) it's gash.
Methicone Amarr Annihilate.	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:04:00 - [2] I love you! 60-Day Eve Game Time Code
Fon Revedhort Monks of War Monks of War.	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:09:00 - [3] Just the reverse - it needs one more med-slot to become a really awesome ship. Well, that's what an old Navy version was for, but for some reason they altered it to follow the same cookie-cutter pattern with its extra low. ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Nova Satar Annihilate.	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:12:00 - [4] nah, i dont think it should be a shield tanker! i know it sounds lame, but it IS a cookie cutter ship, its made for it but doesnt have enough to make the most of it's bloody dps¼!
Methicone Amarr Annihilate.	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Fon Revedhort Just the reverse - it needs one more med-slot to become a really awesome ship. Well, that's what an old Navy version was for, but for some reason they altered it to follow the same cookie-cutter pattern with its extra low. Hmm yeah i agree with you Fon. 60-Day Eve Game Time Code
Captain Merkin Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:25:00 - [6] I like the tempest myself, its quite an affordable high damage piece of kit. It could do with a little love but still I like the bugger. Phoon is king of the bs however Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981. The Kamikaze pilot
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:31:00 - [7] there's also a thing people disregard. it's actually a nice POS bashing ship because: a) 2 utility highs = yummy b) after arty changes, you can expect it to use some 1k shells in like 10-20 minutes, making it only less effective than amarr ships, with the added bonuses of having selectable damage types. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Saulc Neslo	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:40:00 - [8] o/ Nova. By all means boost this lovely ship. :) But... 1) If you select the right ammo-type you can have good applied damage. 2) 1400's have good volley damage. 3) 2 Utility/whatever slots. 4) Shield tankable... for those times :)
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Fon Revedhort Just the reverse - it needs one more med-slot to become a really awesome ship. Well, that's what an old Navy version was for, but for some reason they altered it to follow the same cookie-cutter pattern with its extra low. Agreed, extra med would be sweet. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Nodaddy Notthecupboard Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:46:00 - [10] [Pest] Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 100MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L Heavy Energy Neutralizer II Heavy Energy Neutralizer II Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Tempest is the best BC in the game
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:48:00 - [11] Edited by: Beverly Sparks on 25/05/2010 15:52:04 Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Fon Revedhort Just the reverse - it needs one more med-slot to become a really awesome ship. Well, that's what an old Navy version was for, but for some reason they altered it to follow the same cookie-cutter pattern with its extra low. Agreed, extra med would be sweet. 10% more PG. Allow it to skip the RCU and fit 3 Trimarks with a full rack of 1400's. There, fixed.
arbiter reformed Minmatar The Waiting Room.	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Fon Revedhort Just the reverse - it needs one more med-slot to become a really awesome ship. Well, that's what an old Navy version was for, but for some reason they altered it to follow the same cookie-cutter pattern with its extra low. this
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:50:00 - [13] Give it a bit more grid so fitting 1400s isnt such a hassle, its not like its got a tank bonus or the slots to make it overpowered (hello teir 3's). 6x 1400s mwd injector platage/nuetage plz!
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:57:00 - [14] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/05/2010 16:03:04 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/05/2010 16:00:35 Originally by: Nodaddy Notthecupboard Tempest is the best BC in the game Ignoring the fact you're fitting it wrong, this is the truth. Trying to use a Tempest as a actual battleship (by definition, aimed at slugfesting and heavy-duty action) is destined to fail because of 6 lowslots. Basically if you want a Minmatar megathron equivalent, the Typhoon delivers. However, it performs admirably as a BC post dominion even though it's EHP leaves a lot to be desired (unless extenders but then 2 gyro and I have ****poor BS skills, bs4+spec 3, blah, training them as we speak). My largest gripe with it is locktime, but since a covops alt can also tackle too sometimes, it works out well and if you really want it all the Machariel provides (along with providing a hell of a lot more in all cathegories bar more neuting power). Essentially, post dominion Tempest is fine, and delivers something different from typical battleships, there is no point in trying to make it into a gank/spank BS since the Typhoon already does that. Also, it does not need extra mid either. 6 lows are in fact very handy for what it does; umodified AC range, or rather umodified AC dps at range is crap so you want the dual TEs, and without dual gyros you do crap DPS, and you also want that DC which leaves a utility lowslot which can be either fitted with nano, or istab, or 3rd gyro, or w/e takes your fancy. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
To mare Amarr Advanced Technology	Posted - 2010.05.25 19:13:00 - [15] - tempest is one of the est BS to engage small groups of small ships (like HACs) if not the best. - it can be fitted in alot of ways and some of them are pretty awesome - its a good fleet sniper only a bit inferior to the mael but also cost less. i wouldnt mind some love to the tempest but if it come at the cost of a slot layout or bonus nerf (like removing its double dps bonus for some falloff crap)
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.05.25 19:35:00 - [16] Edited by: Andrea Skye on 25/05/2010 19:37:33 Tempest is the best, and one of the most versatile ships in the game. Also looks freaking awesome. Nothing beats it. Its good solo BS (duel rep + nuets0 its a good sniper ship (better scan res, align time than the meal, with only slightly less volley. Its also cheaper and can fit 2c nuets.) Its a good gang dps ship if you fit it with sheild tank, TEs and Gyros. Its a good remote ship if you fit 2x remote reps and plate it. What more do you want?
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2010.05.25 19:49:00 - [17] Ther was a huge threadnaught some time back, wiht lots of whiny mega/geddon lovers who wanted tempest to be the "minmatar gunnery-armor RR BS". They unfortunalty got it
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp	Posted - 2010.05.25 19:55:00 - [18] Phoon is good once backed up by an impressive skill-tree... Phoon can do a lot, but not do them while fitting local repping, and it's impressive DPS are not applied against small stuff that effectively. It also loses more % of it's dmg by fitting neuts. The tempest can do local rep (single/dual) and neuts and still have a utility mid (more cap/tackle/eccm/whatever). It's a nice ship, even if it doesnt have the slots for 3x gyros and 2x TEs in armor tanked pvp configurations...it's ok, Mael fits the shield tanking role perfect. It's also a fav for suicide ganking... All-in-all Matari have one of the most interesting and capable BS line... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2010.05.25 20:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Andrea Skye Edited by: Andrea Skye on 25/05/2010 19:37:33 Tempest is the best, and one of the most versatile ships in the game. Also looks freaking awesome. Nothing beats it. Its good solo BS (duel rep + nuets0 its a good sniper ship (better scan res, align time than the meal, with only slightly less volley. Its also cheaper and can fit 2c nuets.) Its a good gang dps ship if you fit it with sheild tank, TEs and Gyros. Its a good remote ship if you fit 2x remote reps and plate it. What more do you want? I want to have comparable EHP to the other BS's, while maintaining comparable range and damage. The tempest cannot compete in all categories. 10% more PG would allow it to do just that. I don't think it is a huge change, hardly game breaking, and it would help it out exactly where it needs it. Apoc is truly the most versatile BS, not the tempest. Sniper, check (Way better then the Tempest) Close range, check (Way better then the Tempest) RR, check (Better then the Tempest, but also needs to drop a gun to fit RR, but the DPS at range makes up for that, while the Tempest is "Fighting in Falloff") Solo, well not so much, but then, a solo BS in most cases is just a KM waiting to happen.
uredo	Posted - 2010.05.25 20:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Diomidis It's also a fav for suicide ganking... This
Torpir Lee Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.25 21:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Beverly Sparks Sniper, check (Way better then the Tempest) Close range, check (Way better then the Tempest) RR, check (Better then the Tempest, but also needs to drop a gun to fit RR, but the DPS at range makes up for that, while the Tempest is "Fighting in Falloff") Solo, well not so much, but then, a solo BS in most cases is just a KM waiting to happen. Bias noted.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.05.25 21:24:00 - [22] I think that all the problems with the Pest are because people insist on treating it like a line battleship. It really can be used in two ways (successfully): - Fleet Sniper, does a passable job. You'd be better off in a Maelstrom. - Oversized BC, does a pretty decent job... but I wish it were slightly faster and/or more agile to do this role better. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Hyey	Posted - 2010.05.25 21:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Liang Nuren I think that all the problems with the Pest are because people insist on treating it like a line battleship. It really can be used in two ways (successfully): - Fleet Sniper, does a passable job. You'd be better off in a Maelstrom. - Oversized BC, does a pretty decent job... but I wish it were slightly faster and/or more agile to do this role better. -Liang Pretty much this. Have had some success in using the Tempest as a large BC...if it were faster/more agile...which falls into how minmatar SHOULD be...then it would do that role quite well. IT would be a better vagabond basically that's designed to kill battleships. The tempest is just about the only battleship that doesn't fly like a whale...if it had a bit more agility it would be pretty damn good. ~~ Hyey
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.25 21:39:00 - [24] If it is over sized bc, I love the idea, then I only wish it did not cost 100 mil isk. As long as it is 100 mil, I will be buying Typhoons.
Hyey	Posted - 2010.05.25 21:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Caleidascope If it is over sized bc, I love the idea, then I only wish it did not cost 100 mil isk. As long as it is 100 mil, I will be buying Typhoons. Er you have heard of insurance haven't you? ~~ Hyey
Trader20	Posted - 2010.05.25 21:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren I think that all the problems with the Pest are because people insist on treating it like a line battleship. It really can be used in two ways (successfully): - Fleet Sniper, does a passable job. You'd be better off in a Maelstrom. - Oversized BC, does a pretty decent job... but I wish it were slightly faster and/or more agile to do this role better. -Liang The tempest is not a bs........ leave the forums now
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.25 21:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Hyey Originally by: Caleidascope If it is over sized bc, I love the idea, then I only wish it did not cost 100 mil isk. As long as it is 100 mil, I will be buying Typhoons. Er you have heard of insurance haven't you? Yes, I have heard of it, on occasion I even used it. I would take an advantage of an insurance scam, but in the long term I really more interested in flying the ships I buy.
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.25 22:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Beverly Sparks I want to have comparable EHP to the other BS's, while maintaining comparable range and damage. Then you have the Typhoon, which is like a Megathron (a ship designed for anti-BS facemelting) except better in most respects bar EHP and sensor strength. The Tempest does not fulfill that role, and tbh with the Dominion Typhoon with 5/5 we do not need another closerange gank&spank/RR BS. Basically, the Tempest is largely fine and Dominion changes made it a sensible ship to fly. It's not a lol OP mobile as some Minmatar ships are nowdays, but it works well enough that you'd pick it over anything else for a few applications. I, for instance, solo in one and I'm immensely satisfied with the post-Dominion Tempest. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Natalie Caladan Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2010.05.25 22:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Nova Satar A. Becuase they don't have missile skills for the phoon. I can't be arsed to give reasons, everybody with a brain already knows them. I want the tempest to be good! Becuase in theory it's an awesome ship, but in reality (lack of one lowslot) it's gash. It looks so ugly - I'll never fly one regardless of the extra slots it will or won't get. I'd gladly settle for a Mael so my eyes won't hurt so much!
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.25 22:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Hyey Er you have heard of insurance haven't you? After tomorrow it's going to be a bit more expensive to lose, even if you're insuring it. After taking it for a whirl though, I do like the oversized BC idea.

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