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stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.05.26 19:25:00 - [1] From the patch notes: "The load balancing mechanism for missions in Dominion incorrectly prioritized high-load systems over low-load systems when selecting the location for mission objectives. Agents now prefer to send players to less loaded systems." Uh-oh... Did mission travel times just get dramatically increased?
inmarsat Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.05.26 19:34:00 - [2] Well yes, but only in the sense that you may now have to make a jump away from Dodixie
Goose99	Posted - 2010.05.26 20:11:00 - [3] Originally by: inmarsat Well yes, but only in the sense that you may now have to make a jump away from Dodixie Also in the sense that you're going into empty lowsec. Have fun.
Ran Khanon Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2010.05.26 20:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Goose99 Originally by: inmarsat Well yes, but only in the sense that you may now have to make a jump away from Dodixie Also in the sense that you're going into empty lowsec. Have fun. I wonder about that. A lot of 0.5ish mission hubs have lowsec in a neighbouring system but in a different constellation. I wonder if this 'system load mechanic' overrules constellation borders or if there is a general lowsec check. If not I foresee a lot of angry forum threads and an exodus from some mission hubs. Help us to make parrots game related today!
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:29:00 - [5] I hate out of system missions in low sec. :-/ -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Noran Ferah Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:05:00 - [6] Edited by: Noran Ferah on 27/05/2010 03:11:39 Out of 10 missions I just pulled, 9 were in lowsec. Typically, this would be reversed. High sec l5 mission stealth nerf has occurred. Also, my average 100M per 10Km3 of loot has completely evaporated. Where there used to be 12 425 1's, I now have 15 scrapmetals.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:35:00 - [7] It seems the long-sought nerf to mission income has come to pass. Too bad it also came with an even more severe nerf to mining income...
Raz Fenri	Posted - 2010.05.27 04:09:00 - [8] What ever happened to Tier 0 being replaced by tags? Instead we get useless Scraps. Nice
Gerald Timothy	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Seriously Bored It seems the long-sought nerf to mission income has come to pass. a.) Force mission runners into Low sec where they become prey to Player corp. kill mail *****s b.) Mission runners lose their PVE ships to pvp c.) Mission Runners run out of isk and are finally forced to quit running missions and buy Qty 10 PLEX to sell in Jita d.) CCP Profit! \o/ Yeah well the people multi boxing level 4 missions complained about Eve making isk earning too easy.
Omir Kajil Gallente The POD Collective	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Raz Fenri What ever happened to Tier 0 being replaced by tags? Instead we get useless Scraps. Nice clearly the metal scraps are tags intended for rogue drone missions. But I digress. This one time at fat camp, i was flying a dominix, and then I was so hungry that i ate 3 planets and collapsed into a black hole, which ate my sig.

scoutsacoutanus	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:42:00 - [11] why don't they just stop ***** footing around and remove all forms of isk making make an online store where you need pay real money for ships to use for pve/pvp
Jamie Banks Gallente Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2010.05.27 09:25:00 - [12] om nom nom 30 Day PLEX _____________________________ EVE - Everyone vs. Everyone Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' Check my Bio in-game for good deals on Invention Packs
Ceylous Nirod	Posted - 2010.05.27 12:57:00 - [13] this hurts ratting even more than just mission running... i have yet to get 1 350mm railgun one from at least 9bs kills. thought nerf would only effect mission runners... appaently not even ninja-ratting is profitable anymore.. i'll have to find some other line of work besides doing what i like best which is... sneaking into enemy territory... killing their rats and getting at least some decent loot.... now my income from loot has been cut nearly 70% :(
Pegasus IX	Posted - 2010.05.27 16:38:00 - [14] Stealth mission nerf FTL!
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.05.27 21:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Noran Ferah Edited by: Noran Ferah on 27/05/2010 03:11:39 Out of 10 missions I just pulled, 9 were in lowsec. Typically, this would be reversed. High sec l5 mission stealth nerf has occurred. Also, my average 100M per 10Km3 of loot has completely evaporated. Where there used to be 12 425 1's, I now have 15 scrapmetals. Had you focused on large wrecks only you'd have 100m isk per 3900m3. I know. I'm a ninja looter salvager with GSC parked in space. Weekly I'd gather my GSC's and sell the contents. But too late now. We're all screwed. And the more I read about what has happened the more I don't like it.
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2010.05.27 22:07:00 - [16] You forget, CCP hates people who don't pvp for some obscure reason.
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.05.27 22:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Mr LaForge You forget, CCP hates people who don't pvp for some obscure reason. Eve is a pvp game always intended to be a pvp game. Welcome to eve....you must be new. Buy stuff on the market. pvp Ninja salvage. pvp Gate Camp. pvp 0.0 war. pvp Log in. pvp You. ghey
Goose99	Posted - 2010.05.27 22:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: Mr LaForge You forget, CCP hates people who don't pvp for some obscure reason. Eve is a pvp game always intended to be a pvp game. Welcome to eve....you must be new. Buy stuff on the market. pvp Ninja salvage. pvp Gate Camp. pvp 0.0 war. pvp Log in. pvp You. ghey Fail troll. Where would the materials and isk come from if everyone pvp all the time? Tip of the pyramid needs a broad base to support it.
Astald Ohtar	Posted - 2010.05.27 23:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Goose99 Edited by: Goose99 on 27/05/2010 22:57:15 Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: Mr LaForge You forget, CCP hates people who don't pvp for some obscure reason. Eve is a pvp game always intended to be a pvp game. Welcome to eve....you must be new. Buy stuff on the market. pvp Ninja salvage. pvp Gate Camp. pvp 0.0 war. pvp Log in. pvp You. ghey its hardcore plex sellers! Fail troll. Where would the materials and isk come from if everyone pvp all the time? Tip of the pyramid needs a broad base to support it. Pvp = consumption. More base production leads to more consumption = more pvp. Economics 101.
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.05.28 11:51:00 - [20] You sir are fail *****. I make more than most if not all mission runners in high sec by staying in 0.0 running anoms. Where would i spend my 100m-2bill a day you ask....there will always be a market. And that market is tough. Ran by players to get money from other players. PVP Goose99 you have only been playing 2 months or so...who the cares what you have to say. If anything you are the troll. In 2 months time you have not gained the needed skills or experience to know what the ** you are talking about. HTFU!

Alarci	Posted - 2010.05.28 12:18:00 - [21] Edited by: Alarci on 28/05/2010 12:19:52 Originally by: Ildryn You sir are fail *****. I make more than most if not all mission runners in high sec by staying in 0.0 running anoms. Where would i spend my 100m-2bill a day you ask....there will always be a market. And that market is tough. Ran by players to get money from other players. PVP Goose99 you have only been playing 2 months or so...who the cares what you have to say. If anything you are the troll. In 2 months time you have not gained the needed skills or experience to know what the ** you are talking about. HTFU! all this and if you with the right corp/alliance for for your logistics i found 0.0 space actually safer than high sec , you just need to know how 0.0 space work
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.28 12:32:00 - [22] Quote: Pvp = consumption. More base production leads to more consumption = more pvp. Economics 101. TBH when I was in 0.0 we did not need to go hi sec to pay for PvP ships. We had corp insurance for ships used in corp ops (including carriers and dreads) and we had corp PLEX / mission ops as well. I suppose now with the Dominion ability to spawn more PvE directly in the home systems this became even better. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Zanes Shoubje	Posted - 2010.05.28 16:37:00 - [23] First time for everything. For the first time while playing this game I consider myself nerfed. \0/ Thx CCP, seriously, thx. 2 of my accounts I keep active with PLEXi bought with missioned ISK. Looking for better ways to make the money right now. I heard this new planet thing is a big money maker tldr: Adapt of die or rather Adapt or give me your stuff
omegafire	Posted - 2010.05.28 19:00:00 - [24] The game always makes me laugh. People complain, others flame and tell them to go play WOW or some other carebare game. Lots of people like to pvp while others like to pve / mission / mine ect. I think that all the die hard PVPers seem to forget that if all the accounts that PVE disappear so will the game eventually. I like to mission / pvp and various other things dpending on how I feel. I wont be missioning anymore as not taking PVE ships into low sec for all the 'tough' gate camps to destroy. I wont mine. Ninja salvaging is almost impossible as finding mission ships is difficult. Will probably PVP until isk runs out then who knows, most likely cancel account. I would imagine lots will disappear due to the changes. Overall this is a bad thing. I have played games that slowly die and I honestly think this is the first nail in the coffin. Now flame away but dont forget when you log in and there are a couple hunderd people in game where it started.
Dzajic Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.05.28 19:56:00 - [25] Blah. This wasn't supposed to be a nerf, but a lag fix. I'm running missions in a certain non Dodixie system, and local in system and neighbors was always from 50 to 100 and never really seen lag like I saw ages ago when as noob^2 tried running missions in Ours or Dodixie. I kept planning of switching to one of those mythic "0.5 with Q> +15 agent and no low sec next jump" systems, but now I have to redo my search as its about "no low sec in less then 2 or 3 jumps" to be safe. And the absolute lolwtf hearing good people still stubborn enough to do missions in low sec (which is like empty) are still sent a couple of jumps around for each mission. Salvaging and looting sucks now, and the time jumping and warping 2 or 3 jumps for the mission, and the salvage boat and then maybe with the industrial to pick it all up is pushing it into "not worth it" area. People will try to avoid getting missions in low sec by going to very high sec hubs, increasing lag. If the system is dynamic enough we might see agents sending people 4 or 5 jumps from nowly overcrowded 0.8 or 0.9 hub.
Vitamin B12	Posted - 2010.05.28 19:59:00 - [26] drop the mission income... OK force 0.5 agent missionrunner to go into lowsec... NOT OK i guess ccp want 4 missionhub systems with 500 players in each. to the guy who said his anomalys are more better. who is buying you plex stuff? missionrunners.
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2010.05.28 20:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Dzajic Blah. This wasn't supposed to be a nerf, but a lag fix. You have no idea if that is true. For all we know it was always intended to be a nerf, but labelled as a lag fix so that all the whining would come after Tyrannis, when it's too late to do anything about it.
Cyan Cure	Posted - 2010.05.28 21:23:00 - [28] Edited by: Cyan Cure on 28/05/2010 21:26:27 Not a mission runner myself, but this does look to me like a big "**** you" to low security space. EDIT: Mission running is a mean of making money, it should be fast and painless, but this is an MMO. All the PvP elitists can go where their head belongs, in their ass. I can count people doing PvP with real skill involved on my one hand.
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.05.28 21:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Vitamin B12 drop the mission income... OK force 0.5 agent missionrunner to go into lowsec... OK i guess ccp want 4 missionhub systems with 500 players in each. to the guy who said his anomalys are more better. who is buying your plex stuff? Everyone. Fixed More better? No i am not an idiot. I just said better. So remove the plex stuff and ill still make more. Sanctum/Haven > Level 4 extravaganza. And the occasional Faction bs at the end 3m-12m. And all the bs spawns are worth over a million. Your extravaganza and worlds collide are full of 495k and 500k bs. And i dont have to accept any missions. Just have to press a button in my scanner that comes equipped with my ship. I can run them non-stop all day long and they are always there. So as i said in my first statement. I make more than most if not all mission runners. And the funny thing is...everyone can do this who wants to. Step out of high sec and get a taste of the real EVE. HTFU!
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.28 21:58:00 - [30] Edited by: Skex Relbore on 28/05/2010 21:59:49 Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: Vitamin B12 drop the mission income... OK force 0.5 agent missionrunner to go into lowsec... OK i guess ccp want 4 missionhub systems with 500 players in each. to the guy who said his anomalys are more better. who is buying your plex stuff? Everyone. Fixed More better? No i am not an idiot. I just said better. So remove the plex stuff and ill still make more. Sanctum/Haven > Level 4 extravaganza. And the occasional Faction bs at the end 3m-12m. And all the bs spawns are worth over a million. Your extravaganza and worlds collide are full of 495k and 500k bs. And i dont have to accept any missions. Just have to press a button in my scanner that comes equipped with my ship. I can run them non-stop all day long and they are always there. So as i said in my first statement. I make more than most if not all mission runners. And the funny thing is...everyone can do this who wants to. Step out of high sec and get a taste of the real EVE. HTFU! You are still a fool. My mission hub is one of these .5 systems with a single .4 neighbor. Now I've not run missions in a month as I'm having too much fun in RVB. But I'd picked the system I did innitially because I wanted to be close to Tourier so I could go back easily. Now when my money runs out (assuming I don't figure out how to make the market thing work for me) I'm going to have to find a new mission system because turning down 90% of the offered missions just isn't ever going to work. Yes some people will find other forms of income. But everyone is not ever going to move to nulsec. Just accept that reality. And whether or not the hisec players you despise affect your ability to generate isk they most certainly affect CCP's ability to generate dollars. Take away what these people enjoy be it just running missions to relax or running them for income to buy ships to blow up and eventually they will just GTFA. At which point Eve ceases to be viable financially and the servers disappear. Who the hell do you think pays all the money that's used to pay the programers and buy the hardware to try and keep your blobfests from lagging out? Hint there aren't enough of you in low sec to do it. Now who's fail here? HTFU indeed. I did Marine Boot camp I know hard and I laugh at the wimpy little boys pretending they are tough because they play a video game. It's a video game you play it sitting in a f-ing chair there isn't anything "hard" about it.

Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.05.28 22:14:00 - [31] Originally by: Skex Relbore Edited by: Skex Relbore on 28/05/2010 21:59:49 You are still a fool. My mission hub is one of these .5 systems with a single .4 neighbor. Now I've not run missions in a month as I'm having too much fun in RVB. But I'd picked the system I did innitially because I wanted to be close to Tourier so I could go back easily. Yes some people will find other forms of income. But everyone is not ever going to move to nulsec. Just accept that reality. And whether or not the hisec players you despise affect your ability to generate isk they most certainly affect CCP's ability to generate dollars. Take away what these people enjoy be it just running missions to relax or running them for income to buy ships to blow up and eventually they will just GTFA. At which point Eve ceases to be viable financially and the servers disappear. Who the hell do you think pays all the money that's used to pay the programers and buy the hardware to try and keep your blobfests from lagging out? Hint there aren't enough of you in low sec to do it. Now who's fail here? HTFU indeed. I did Marine Boot camp I know hard and I laugh at the wimpy little boys pretending they are tough because they play a video game. It's a video game you play it sitting in a f-ing chair there isn't anything "hard" about it. Marine bootcamp huh...oh my. What is that like 3 months? I spent two years in a medium/maximum security prison. **** you. Punk. You are still fail. It is not my fault they dont want to move to null to play eve as it was intended. Did you know that a very large part of null sec pilots also have accounts in high sec. Eve is a pvp game. That is how it is advertised. You dont see the huge solo mission running adverts on the sci-fi channel do you? You should watch some of the videos. You can live in null and get rich. You can live in high sec without making as much as you used to. Make your choice. I made mine. Btw in just 3 hours. Ive made over 500million in bounties/faction spawn. How is your income?
omegafire	Posted - 2010.05.28 22:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Skex Relbore Edited by: Skex Relbore on 28/05/2010 21:59:49 Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: Vitamin B12 drop the mission income... OK force 0.5 agent missionrunner to go into lowsec... OK i guess ccp want 4 missionhub systems with 500 players in each. to the guy who said his anomalys are more better. who is buying your plex stuff? Everyone. Fixed More better? No i am not an idiot. I just said better. So remove the plex stuff and ill still make more. Sanctum/Haven > Level 4 extravaganza. And the occasional Faction bs at the end 3m-12m. And all the bs spawns are worth over a million. Your extravaganza and worlds collide are full of 495k and 500k bs. And i dont have to accept any missions. Just have to press a button in my scanner that comes equipped with my ship. I can run them non-stop all day long and they are always there. So as i said in my first statement. I make more than most if not all mission runners. And the funny thing is...everyone can do this who wants to. Step out of high sec and get a taste of the real EVE. HTFU! You are still a fool. My mission hub is one of these .5 systems with a single .4 neighbor. Now I've not run missions in a month as I'm having too much fun in RVB. But I'd picked the system I did innitially because I wanted to be close to Tourier so I could go back easily. Now when my money runs out (assuming I don't figure out how to make the market thing work for me) I'm going to have to find a new mission system because turning down 90% of the offered missions just isn't ever going to work. Yes some people will find other forms of income. But everyone is not ever going to move to nulsec. Just accept that reality. And whether or not the hisec players you despise affect your ability to generate isk they most certainly affect CCP's ability to generate dollars. Take away what these people enjoy be it just running missions to relax or running them for income to buy ships to blow up and eventually they will just GTFA. At which point Eve ceases to be viable financially and the servers disappear. Who the hell do you think pays all the money that's used to pay the programers and buy the hardware to try and keep your blobfests from lagging out? Hint there aren't enough of you in low sec to do it. Now who's fail here? HTFU indeed. I did Marine Boot camp I know hard and I laugh at the wimpy little boys pretending they are tough because they play a video game. It's a video game you play it sitting in a f-ing chair there isn't anything "hard" about it. my point exactly. when people stop playing the game it will die and the PVP crowd can flame all they want. The game will die if people cant do what they enjoy. The game involves some risks always but to force people who are paying for a game to do stuff they dont want to do is the beginning of the end.
jvar	Posted - 2010.05.28 22:27:00 - [33] Edited by: jvar on 28/05/2010 22:30:08 Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: Skex Relbore Edited by: Skex Relbore on 28/05/2010 21:59:49 You are still a fool. My mission hub is one of these .5 systems with a single .4 neighbor. Now I've not run missions in a month as I'm having too much fun in RVB. But I'd picked the system I did innitially because I wanted to be close to Tourier so I could go back easily. Yes some people will find other forms of income. But everyone is not ever going to move to nulsec. Just accept that reality. And whether or not the hisec players you despise affect your ability to generate isk they most certainly affect CCP's ability to generate dollars. Take away what these people enjoy be it just running missions to relax or running them for income to buy ships to blow up and eventually they will just GTFA. At which point Eve ceases to be viable financially and the servers disappear. Who the hell do you think pays all the money that's used to pay the programers and buy the hardware to try and keep your blobfests from lagging out? Hint there aren't enough of you in low sec to do it. Now who's fail here? HTFU indeed. I did Marine Boot camp I know hard and I laugh at the wimpy little boys pretending they are tough because they play a video game. It's a video game you play it sitting in a f-ing chair there isn't anything "hard" about it. Marine bootcamp huh...oh my. What is that like 3 months? I spent two years in a medium/maximum security prison. **** you. Punk. You are still fail. It is not my fault they dont want to move to null to play eve as it was intended. Did you know that a very large part of null sec pilots also have accounts in high sec. Eve is a pvp game. That is how it is advertised. You dont see the huge solo mission running adverts on the sci-fi channel do you? You should watch some of the videos. You can live in null and get rich. You can live in high sec without making as much as you used to. Make your choice. I made mine. Btw in just 3 hours. Ive made over 500million in bounties/faction spawn. How is your income? I agreed eve is primarily pvp but without all those people who pay for the game for pve content the game will die. like it or not game needs to cater for both or it will die.
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.05.28 22:31:00 - [34] Yeah you heard the outcry of the pve people CCP. FREE SHIPS AND FREE MODS FOR ALL But why stop there. Make the game so you dont have to do anything to get money. Tell me how much fun a game would be that you didnt have to work for anything. Log in click and its yours. Fun. That is the other extreme. What happened was minor. Things were changed to be as they originally intended. No nerfs. Just balancing. HTFU. - CCPGAMES
Elldranga	Posted - 2010.05.28 22:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: Vitamin B12 drop the mission income... OK force 0.5 agent missionrunner to go into lowsec... OK i guess ccp want 4 missionhub systems with 500 players in each. to the guy who said his anomalys are more better. who is buying your plex stuff? Everyone. Fixed More better? No i am not an idiot. I just said better. So remove the plex stuff and ill still make more. Sanctum/Haven > Level 4 extravaganza. And the occasional Faction bs at the end 3m-12m. And all the bs spawns are worth over a million. Your extravaganza and worlds collide are full of 495k and 500k bs. And i dont have to accept any missions. Just have to press a button in my scanner that comes equipped with my ship. I can run them non-stop all day long and they are always there. So as i said in my first statement. I make more than most if not all mission runners. And the funny thing is...everyone can do this who wants to. Step out of high sec and get a taste of the real EVE. HTFU! Hey man... not accusing you of being an idiot or anything. I don't know about you, but I have trouble clearing 80 mill per hour in anoms.... more like 24 per hour if I can't bring out the good stuff due to hot drop gangs in the area and need to just work with a t3. I'm not so sure that's actually the highest income available.
omegafire	Posted - 2010.05.28 22:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Ildryn Yeah you heard the outcry of the pve people CCP. FREE SHIPS AND FREE MODS FOR ALL But why stop there. Make the game so you dont have to do anything to get money. Tell me how much fun a game would be that you didnt have to work for anything. Log in click and its yours. Fun. That is the other extreme. What happened was minor. Things were changed to be as they originally intended. No nerfs. Just balancing. HTFU. - CCPGAMES sure. OK. you can write see I was right on the headstone of eve. Problem is that alot of people who pay for eve dont agree. Eve is buisness for CCP. If people dont pay they dont make money and game dies. You can say what you like about people who play pve / call them carebares but without them the game will not exist.
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.05.28 22:55:00 - [37] Paladin + Tengu + 5 fighters assisting each = a lot of money even with the crap large bs salvage And the income is all mine. Forgive me for not saying 50m per account or something else fairly obvious. 100m an hour is usually the average. You see a faction spawn dropping a 100m implant or another such mod brings the average up considerably. Since a sanctum takes between 15-20 minutes and i make about 30+m in each one with a faction spawn now and then that lands an additional 5-120million. I don't have to stop between sanctums and havens to speak with a agent either. An escalation lands an additional 200m-2.5bill. And that's only after i have scanned for plexs to begin with. Running one account? No problem. You can still make 50m-2.5bill a day. Like i said i have averaged about 100m an hour when im running anoms or doing the carebear thing. The head stone you are talking about exists for all games.
Ataxio	Posted - 2010.05.28 22:57:00 - [38] All of this only makes the upcoming ZeniMax "mystery" MMO that much more enticing. I will not be forced into a different game play style simply because of the failure of a financial system. I've paid good money for this game over 3 years. Been really happy with the way CCPs done things as well... Up until now. As I don't have much time anymore to play the way I used to, I'm restricted to running missions in high sec during the little time I have now. I was happy with the way things were, perfectly content. Now its all about some docking. From my perspective, what has Tyrannis given us that's positive? PI, who knows just yet. Uhmm... A calendar, Sure why not. Insurance... still not worth it for T2 ships, but slightly better. The new mouse cursor is alright, and I must say, the intro music is fantastic. How about the negatives? I tend to crash randomly now, experienced that at least 8 times now, from completely random events. The new suns look like **, I wont even lie. Looks very rushed. Complete and utter ** to missions. They were boring before, now its nearly pointless. Warping sideways is a new and fun event. Jita...... WHY? Even more unpopulated low sec. Major global butt pain. This method of forcing players to do other activities will have negative repercussions. You cannot simply ninja change things people are accustomed to for years. Some will adapt, some will chose to move on and not give you money. While I agree there needed to be some sort of change to the mass accumulation of wealth some were taking advantage of. This is not the way. & that's my 2 cents. Your gonna need em too, CCP. All the Scrap Metal you can get real soon.
Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation	Posted - 2010.06.01 13:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: Skex Relbore Edited by: Skex Relbore on 28/05/2010 21:59:49 You are still a fool. My mission hub is one of these .5 systems with a single .4 neighbor. Now I've not run missions in a month as I'm having too much fun in RVB. But I'd picked the system I did innitially because I wanted to be close to Tourier so I could go back easily. Yes some people will find other forms of income. But everyone is not ever going to move to nulsec. Just accept that reality. And whether or not the hisec players you despise affect your ability to generate isk they most certainly affect CCP's ability to generate dollars. Take away what these people enjoy be it just running missions to relax or running them for income to buy ships to blow up and eventually they will just GTFA. At which point Eve ceases to be viable financially and the servers disappear. Who the hell do you think pays all the money that's used to pay the programers and buy the hardware to try and keep your blobfests from lagging out? Hint there aren't enough of you in low sec to do it. Now who's fail here? HTFU indeed. I did Marine Boot camp I know hard and I laugh at the wimpy little boys pretending they are tough because they play a video game. It's a video game you play it sitting in a f-ing chair there isn't anything "hard" about it. Marine bootcamp huh...oh my. What is that like 3 months? I spent two years in a medium/maximum security prison. **** you. Punk. Being some guys girlfriend isn't what I'd call "hard" though I suppose there was something hard involved.
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.06.01 13:47:00 - [40] Originally by: Skex Relbore Being some guys girlfriend isn't what I'd call "hard" though I suppose there was something hard involved. Ice cold +1 Captain approves --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻

Noran Ferah Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2010.06.01 13:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Skex Relbore Being some guys girlfriend isn't what I'd call "hard" though I suppose there was something hard involved. LOL - quote of the week.
Gunnanmon Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.06.01 13:54:00 - [42] Originally by: scoutsacoutanus why don't they just stop ***** footing around and remove all forms of isk making make an online store where you need pay real money for ships to use for pve/pvp Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Mythic Man	Posted - 2010.06.01 14:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Skex Relbore Being some guys girlfriend isn't what I'd call "hard" though I suppose there was something hard involved. No wonder he's mad.
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2010.06.01 14:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Ildryn You sir are fail *****. I make more than most if not all mission runners in high sec by staying in 0.0 running anoms. Where would i spend my 100m-2bill a day you ask....there will always be a market. And that market is tough. Ran by players to get money from other players. PVP Goose99 you have only been playing 2 months or so...who the cares what you have to say. If anything you are the troll. In 2 months time you have not gained the needed skills or experience to know what the you are talking about. HTFU! eat a **er
Jaravan	Posted - 2010.06.02 14:30:00 - [45] I know this will have me labeled as a carebear/troll ect ect ect. Dont really care but hey wth, here's my 2 cents. There is a group in eve that loves to pvp. That is their thing, it does it for them. There is a group in eve that likes to pve. That is what does it for them. Why in the hell can they not both exist using the current system? Make pvp a choice thing. Something that is done all over the current eve universe. You choose to work for one faction, your faction with the others suffers/profits accordingly. Personally I am not a pvp person. The thought of 5 V 1 or 6 V 1 is not really pvp, its pvg. I have played eve for a while now and seen continual pushes to get people out into low sec/null. No one is going out into null sec/low sec to lose ships on a daily basis. There does need to be changes. But changes that balance the risk/reward. Low sec empire space is still empire space. You still have to pay taxes to the respective empire. That said the rules of the empire space should be applied. You want to be a "pirate" great. Live the pirate life, no empire stations, no free gating. woohoo.... Wardecs are required in hisec empire space. The same should be applied to low sec space. It is still empire. I mean think in rl situations. Its like saying you cannot shoot someone up in Houston, but if you head over to Katy, feel free to blast them to bits. WTF?? If you want unrestricted pvp, there is .0 space, both wh and null. You cannot expect a person with a multibillion investment in implants, ships, and gear to just say "Oh yah I cannot wait to see who shoots me to hell and gone today!!!!" If you want to force people to pvp, make it Person Vs. Person. This would require the idiot pirate types to have to train some skills. (gl getting those skills in .0). You want to increase the number of people in low sec, eliminate the gate ganks at choke point systems. Agin using rl as a guide. If a gang sets up shop at a street intersection, you mean to tell me the empire/country's police force in control of the area would not seek to insure free flow of commerce? Cmon, just a lil bit of common sense would solve these problems in a very short time. Make the rats in low sec a)more aggressive and b) with the ability to use more of their damage components. Make em tougher. But again, i understand that for all my ranting this will not ever happen. Cause the powers that be want us to PVP more. Tbh, my interest in the game is waining mightily, but i do still hope for some common sense to come to the surface. Meh
Noran Ferah Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2010.06.02 14:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Jaravan I know this will have me labeled as a carebear/troll ect ect ect. Dont really care but hey wth, here's my 2 cents. There is a group in eve that loves to pvp. That is their thing, it does it for them. There is a group in eve that likes to pve. That is what does it for them. Why in the hell can they not both exist using the current system? Make pvp a choice thing. Something that is done all over the current eve universe. You choose to work for one faction, your faction with the others suffers/profits accordingly. Personally I am not a pvp person. The thought of 5 V 1 or 6 V 1 is not really pvp, its pvg. I have played eve for a while now and seen continual pushes to get people out into low sec/null. No one is going out into null sec/low sec to lose ships on a daily basis. There does need to be changes. But changes that balance the risk/reward. Low sec empire space is still empire space. You still have to pay taxes to the respective empire. That said the rules of the empire space should be applied. You want to be a "pirate" great. Live the pirate life, no empire stations, no free gating. woohoo.... Wardecs are required in hisec empire space. The same should be applied to low sec space. It is still empire. I mean think in rl situations. Its like saying you cannot shoot someone up in Houston, but if you head over to Katy, feel free to blast them to bits. WTF?? If you want unrestricted pvp, there is .0 space, both wh and null. You cannot expect a person with a multibillion investment in implants, ships, and gear to just say "Oh yah I cannot wait to see who shoots me to hell and gone today!!!!" If you want to force people to pvp, make it Person Vs. Person. This would require the idiot pirate types to have to train some skills. (gl getting those skills in .0). You want to increase the number of people in low sec, eliminate the gate ganks at choke point systems. Agin using rl as a guide. If a gang sets up shop at a street intersection, you mean to tell me the empire/country's police force in control of the area would not seek to insure free flow of commerce? Cmon, just a lil bit of common sense would solve these problems in a very short time. Make the rats in low sec a)more aggressive and b) with the ability to use more of their damage components. Make em tougher. But again, i understand that for all my ranting this will not ever happen. Cause the powers that be want us to PVP more. Tbh, my interest in the game is waining mightily, but i do still hope for some common sense to come to the surface. Meh omg 14:33:35 Combat Wall 'O Text hits you perfectly, wrecking for 9000 damage.
Katie Dunn	Posted - 2010.06.03 23:30:00 - [47] but for us fw misson runners this is a boost ty ccp
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.06.04 00:05:00 - [48] Waaaaaa buff PvE. Waaaaaa nerf PvP. Sounds great if you on the PvE side of the fence wanting all the cookies n milk to yourself. The whole 'nerf everyone but me and that makes for a great game mentality' is about as ****ed way of thinking as you possibly can go in an MMO. There is this thing with EVE.. without its PvP aspect, PvE is irrelevent. If ships/mods/rigs don't go boom.. industrial backbone of the game goes to , trading goes to , fun goes to ** as everyone sits around in their pimpboats shooting the same pre-programmed target someone years ago already figured out how to beat. Collecting vasts amounts of isk to ultimately do.. what? What? Really.. if PvE goes up n PvP goes down, what is the end result of the EVE economy as a whole? And then as you sit there contemplating what to do with all that isk while sitting in your officer/faction fit dreamboat that has next to no risk of being elimnated from the data base.. then it might hit you that nerfing PvE in favor of PvP isn't such a bad idea. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.06.04 00:24:00 - [49] Extra jumps are tedious Nerfing fun isn't usually a good idea for an entertainment company
xThugx	Posted - 2010.06.04 12:44:00 - [50] People are driven by different things. Personally this used to be getting the biggest baddest shinies I could in this game. That does not mean I did not enjoy PvP but it was not my primary activity - lvl 5 missions were. Now that lvl5 missions are neigh impossible, I don't know what to do in game. I could go back to lvl4 missions, but that would feel sucky with the decreased income. I could do some exploration, that is fun. Doubt it would keep my interest for more than a month. I could try out PI and or becoming industrial, sounds lame. I could PvP - but wait, you need isk for that TL;DR: If i can't earn enough to pay for my shinies, I also cant earn enough to PvP. Serious - I might not be playing even anymore by the end of this month.

Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:48:00 - [51] Originally by: xThugx People are driven by different things. Personally this used to be getting the biggest baddest shinies I could in this game. That does not mean I did not enjoy PvP but it was not my primary activity - lvl 5 missions were. Now that lvl5 missions are neigh impossible, I don't know what to do in game. I could go back to lvl4 missions, but that would feel sucky with the decreased income. I could do some exploration, that is fun. Doubt it would keep my interest for more than a month. I could try out PI and or becoming industrial, sounds lame. I could PvP - but wait, you need isk for that TL;DR: If i can't earn enough to pay for my shinies, I also cant earn enough to PvP. Serious - I might not be playing even anymore by the end of this month. Lvl 5s are the same. Your lack of ability to have some friends support you in doing them outside of highsec is your problem.. and that is Your problem, not CCP. The best of every other profession is outside of high, tough **** that now mission running is too. Sounds like how it shoulda been in the first place. And you must be absolutely terrible at PvP if you believe you need lvl 5 missions to fund it. That's either the lamest arguement possible for cry babies here.. or you really really suck at this game and its no wonder you only want to do the predictable NPC fights. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
gr7hug Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.04 18:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Umega Lvl 5s are the same. Your lack of ability to have some friends support you in doing them outside of highsec is your problem.. and that is Your problem, not CCP. The best of every other profession is outside of high, tough **** that now mission running is too. Sounds like how it shoulda been in the first place. And you must be absolutely terrible at PvP if you believe you need lvl 5 missions to fund it. That's either the lamest arguement possible for cry babies here.. or you really really suck at this game and its no wonder you only want to do the predictable NPC fights. Wrong. And you are missing most of my point anyway. How can lvl 5 missions be worth running if you need a fleet on standby to come save your ass? Compared to soloing a lvl 4 mission, splitting a lvl 5 4+ ways is just silly.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.06.04 19:11:00 - [53] Edited by: Umega on 04/06/2010 19:13:17 Originally by: gr7hug Originally by: Umega Lvl 5s are the same. Your lack of ability to have some friends support you in doing them outside of highsec is your problem.. and that is Your problem, not CCP. The best of every other profession is outside of high, tough ** that now mission running is too. Sounds like how it shoulda been in the first place. And you must be absolutely terrible at PvP if you believe you need lvl 5 missions to fund it. That's either the lamest arguement possible for cry babies here.. or you really really suck at this game and its no wonder you only want to do the predictable NPC fights. Wrong. And you are missing most of my point anyway. How can lvl 5 missions be worth running if you need a fleet on standby to come save your ass? Compared to soloing a lvl 4 mission, splitting a lvl 5 4+ ways is just silly. A fleet of what, a couple of ships to scout? dscan broken? No.. I know.. pure laziness and ease is what it comes down to. Wanting the highest most ridiculous risk/reward ratio possible. Otherwise you cry to mommy. Why should miners have to risk their weapon/defenseless ships for the best ore? But they do. With friends to help. How about them nullsec ratters and exploration runners? Sure they'll solo.. friendly 'safe' spot, yeah I know. But don't mislead people into thinking it is simply that. There are hundreds to thousands of people in a majority of these alliances/corps keeping that sector of space 'safe'. The work of many is actually the end result of this. People really need to stop with the bull of null is safe and makes more and can be solo/duo/tri'd crap.. cause it really isn't being done in small numbers to great extent as reality is. The wealth for an industrialist in moon-goo. Where is the moon-goo? Oh yeah. See where this is going yet? That miner's ship, the nullsec space, the moon.. all can be taken away. Booo-hoooo that now the top tier for a mission runner has to do the same and risk what they have for what they wish to gain. Your point is 'I want lazy risk free isk, the highest possible'. My point is.. grow some balls and HTFU. The only change is that now it is more in line with other professions. Hint one that people *** about how 'most people are in hhighsec doing missions so they should give us what we want'.. hmmmm wonder why, if thats true (and I don't believe it is, people do missions for a variety of reasons.. fun is low on that list, lets be real people).. that most people would be doing missions. The answer is rather clear then. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.06.04 20:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Skex Relbore Being some guys girlfriend isn't what I'd call "hard" though I suppose there was something hard involved. You know i hear the military is full of gays. How hard was it to live by the don't ask don't tell. I'll bet you were just flaming to tell everyone. How many pillows did you tear up with your teeth *****?
RentableMuffin	Posted - 2010.06.04 20:46:00 - [55] holy **** this thread delivers! but in all seriousness I haven't had to go more than 1 jump for a mission yet
Taloth Kcovik	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Umega Edited by: Umega on 04/06/2010 19:13:17 Originally by: gr7hug Originally by: Umega Lvl 5s are the same. Your lack of ability to have some friends support you in doing them outside of highsec is your problem.. and that is Your problem, not CCP. The best of every other profession is outside of high, tough ** that now mission running is too. Sounds like how it shoulda been in the first place. And you must be absolutely terrible at PvP if you believe you need lvl 5 missions to fund it. That's either the lamest arguement possible for cry babies here.. or you really really suck at this game and its no wonder you only want to do the predictable NPC fights. Wrong. And you are missing most of my point anyway. How can lvl 5 missions be worth running if you need a fleet on standby to come save your ass? Compared to soloing a lvl 4 mission, splitting a lvl 5 4+ ways is just silly. A fleet of what, a couple of ships to scout? dscan broken? No.. I know.. pure laziness and ease is what it comes down to. Wanting the highest most ridiculous risk/reward ratio possible. Otherwise you cry to mommy. Why should miners have to risk their weapon/defenseless ships for the best ore? But they do. With friends to help. How about them nullsec ratters and exploration runners? Sure they'll solo.. friendly 'safe' spot, yeah I know. But don't mislead people into thinking it is simply that. There are hundreds to thousands of people in a majority of these alliances/corps keeping that sector of space 'safe'. The work of many is actually the end result of this. People really need to stop with the bull of null is safe and makes more and can be solo/duo/tri'd crap.. cause it really isn't being done in small numbers to great extent as reality is. The wealth for an industrialist in moon-goo. Where is the moon-goo? Oh yeah. See where this is going yet? That miner's ship, the nullsec space, the moon.. all can be taken away. Booo-hoooo that now the top tier for a mission runner has to do the same and risk what they have for what they wish to gain. Your point is 'I want lazy risk free isk, the highest possible'. My point is.. grow some balls and HTFU. The only change is that now it is more in line with other professions. Hint one that people *** about how 'most people are in hhighsec doing missions so they should give us what we want'.. hmmmm wonder why, if thats true (and I don't believe it is, people do missions for a variety of reasons.. fun is low on that list, lets be real people).. that most people would be doing missions. The answer is rather clear then. I'd say you have it backward, mining and moon mining is pretty low risk simply because of the cost/reward. Mining ships are cheap, you can insure them and at most you're putting t2 mods in them. A faction fit faction battleship on the other hand is more expensive by an order of magnitude and can only be insured for a fraction of its price. You have to look to at the pvp capabilities of pve ship, and wonder why anyone would take one out of high sec to begin with. A couple of t1 fitted pvp ships can easily ruin the day of a fleet of multi-billion dollar ships by sheer virtue of what they're fitted to do. Its less a matter of balls and more a matter of having to be a complete idiot to do that. In fact, if you compare the price of a really bad-ass pve ship to the amount you get from hours and hours of grinding, you have to wonder why anyone would do it. Compared with how much you can make in null it JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Unless of course, people enjoyed running missions.
Kerr avonn Minmatar Standard By 10	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:03:00 - [57] I think C1-3 wormholes are the new lvl4 missions, Hit and miss at times but can earn as much as lvl4's if you salvage as you go and just keep an eye out for certain probes. Its a little riskier but that is eased by being able to do them in a cheaper ship, a drake for instance I have lots of lvl4 agents and they are all saying the same lowsec. It means one thing....Adapt.
Viral Effect Caldari BRAINDEAD Corp	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:36:00 - [58] I chose my current 0.7 agent because like all high sec agentÆs they gave you missions in high sec space. IÆm pretty sure thatÆs why mission runners choose agents in high sec right? Why the hell am I getting mission destinations in low sec? I am a high sec mission runner. IÆm not going to risk my ship and pod in low sec. DonÆt they get that? Yes I am declining missions to low sec. You might think what about change agents? Uhm well there donÆt seem to be many high quality agents left that wonÆt take you to low sec. The only option here is to leave and go to a much lower quality agent that earns you less isk. This is a major nerf. I have never thought level 4Æs earned too much isk. Quite the opposite. They have never earned enough. Whenever I saw someone whine that level 4Æs earned too much I have always seen the real problem as typically one of 2 things. 1 they were too lazy to put the time in too actually get any isk. Or 2 whatever they earned needed to be boosted because it wasnÆt profitable. Why do you think the common term is called ôgrindingö? ItÆs called a grind because of the monotony of having to run countless missions for hours at a time to earn any real isk. I have been the type of person that sees an imbalance and will give to the people who need it and not take away from anyone. I guess CCP is the other type. EveÆs days are numbered.
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:46:00 - [59] This is pretty bad. CCP WHY? -- "One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic."
Asuri Kinnes Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.06.04 23:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Umega A fleet of what, a couple of ships to scout? dscan broken? No.. I know.. pure laziness and ease is what it comes down to. Wanting the highest most ridiculous risk/reward ratio possible. Otherwise you cry to mommy. Why should miners have to risk their weapon/defenseless ships for the best ore? But they do. With friends to help. How about them nullsec ratters and exploration runners? Sure they'll solo.. friendly 'safe' spot, yeah I know. But don't mislead people into thinking it is simply that. There are hundreds to thousands of people in a majority of these alliances/corps keeping that sector of space 'safe'. The work of many is actually the end result of this. People really need to stop with the bull** of null is safe and makes more and can be solo/duo/tri'd crap.. cause it really isn't being done in small numbers to great extent as reality is. The wealth for an industrialist in moon-goo. Where is the moon-goo? Oh yeah. See where this is going yet? That miner's ship, the nullsec space, the moon.. all can be taken away. Booo-hoooo that now the top tier for a mission runner has to do the same and risk what they have for what they wish to gain. Your point is 'I want lazy risk free isk, the highest possible'. My point is.. grow some balls and HTFU. The only change is that now it is more in line with other professions. Hint one that people * about how 'most people are in hhighsec doing missions so they should give us what we want'.. hmmmm wonder why, if thats true (and I don't believe it is, people do missions for a variety of reasons.. fun is low on that list, lets be real people).. that most people would be doing missions. The answer is rather clear then. Lvl 5's are probably harder in Hi-sec where you can't use carriers... Fun is what each person makes of it - I really wish people woud stop with the HTFU... Its a freakin' video game, ffs.... Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist NO!**

DrBmN	Posted - 2010.06.04 23:37:00 - [61] Yes it is bad. There is nothing we can do about it. I hope ccp sorts it out one day ...
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.06.04 23:55:00 - [62] lol @ "load balancing mechanism". Because this will just mean that most mission runners will abandon the now useless agents and crowd in around the agents that don't send you on back to back to back low sec missions.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.05 00:15:00 - [63] Originally by: Ildryn Marine bootcamp huh...oh my. What is that like 3 months? I spent two years in a medium/maximum security prison. **** you. Punk. Hahahahahahaha oh wow. Toss salad much? . Bragging about being chucked in prison...now I have seen it all! Thread...especially this guy...is a total cripple fight. Salad shooter man aside...while I cheerfully murder (ingame hurrr) anything I come across I will always be firmly opposed to dictating how other players spend their time in game. Seems to me mission runners are getting a bit hosed here. Hint for the mission dudes: You can find places in losec where you won't see a soul for days...and there be L4 agents there too...and exploration sites...and anoms (I wouldn't mess with those though...any old noob pirate can bust you out of them without even a probe launcher). Go take a walk on the wild (and empty) side. Second hint for mission dudes: The mythical space I refer to for losec is not part of Caldari space. Have a gander at the map...note "pilots in space" in various parts of losec...and see if I'm fibbing. Enjoy! Also dang...bragging about doing 2 years in max lockup. LOL. I hear those with prior felonies get all the best jobs
Viral Effect Caldari BRAINDEAD Corp	Posted - 2010.06.05 00:25:00 - [64] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Hint for the mission dudes: You can find places in losec where you won't see a soul for days...and there be L4 agents there too...and exploration sites...and anoms (I wouldn't mess with those though...any old noob pirate can bust you out of them without even a probe launcher). Go take a walk on the wild (and empty) side. Second hint for mission dudes: The mythical space I refer to for losec is not part of Caldari space. Have a gander at the map...note "pilots in space" in various parts of losec...and see if I'm fibbing. They donÆt want to m8. Why should they go to low sec? They are high sec dwellers they shouldnÆt need to go to low sec. They have never needed to before.
Asuri Kinnes Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.06.05 00:47:00 - [65] Originally by: Viral Effect Originally by: RuleoftheBone Hint for the mission dudes: You can find places in losec where you won't see a soul for days...and there be L4 agents there too...and exploration sites...and anoms (I wouldn't mess with those though...any old noob pirate can bust you out of them without even a probe launcher). Go take a walk on the wild (and empty) side. Second hint for mission dudes: The mythical space I refer to for losec is not part of Caldari space. Have a gander at the map...note "pilots in space" in various parts of losec...and see if I'm fibbing. They donÆt want to m8. Why should they go to low sec? They are high sec dwellers they shouldnÆt need to go to low sec. They have never needed to before. And we care if they play in low/null sec why? Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist NO!
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.06.05 14:16:00 - [66] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Originally by: Ildryn Marine bootcamp huh...oh my. What is that like 3 months? I spent two years in a medium/maximum security prison. ** you. Punk. Hahahahahahaha oh wow. Toss salad much? . Bragging about being chucked in prison...now I have seen it all! Thread...especially this guy...is a total cripple fight. Salad shooter man aside...while I cheerfully murder (ingame hurrr) anything I come across I will always be firmly opposed to dictating how other players spend their time in game. Seems to me mission runners are getting a bit hosed here. Hint for the mission dudes: You can find places in losec where you won't see a soul for days...and there be L4 agents there too...and exploration sites...and anoms (I wouldn't mess with those though...any old noob pirate can bust you out of them without even a probe launcher). Go take a walk on the wild (and empty) side. Second hint for mission dudes: The mythical space I refer to for losec is not part of Caldari space. Have a gander at the map...note "pilots in space" in various parts of losec...and see if I'm fibbing. Enjoy! Also dang...bragging about doing 2 years in max lockup. LOL. I hear those with prior felonies get all the best jobs Other than the fact i am not allowed to purchase or own a firearm. All my other rights are reinstated. I work at the same place i worked when i was arrested. It pays 35k a year with health insurance and dental. So ** you.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.07 11:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Ildryn Other than the fact i am not allowed to purchase or own a firearm. All my other rights are reinstated. I work at the same place i worked when i was arrested. It pays 35k a year with health insurance and dental. So **** you. LOL more tossed salad man gems. Does the health insurance and dental cover your prescriptions for post-shower room trauma and activities ?? More on topic...did any hisec dwellers check out my little tips?
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.06.07 12:23:00 - [68] Originally by: RuleoftheBone More on topic...did any hisec dwellers check out my little tips? I seriously doubt they checked out any of your tips. Carebears avoid lowsec like the plague. Hints like scanner, scout, and map statistics don't work.
Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.07 12:33:00 - [69] Originally by: Ildryn Originally by: RuleoftheBone More on topic...did any hisec dwellers check out my little tips? I seriously doubt they checked out any of your tips. Carebears avoid lowsec like the plague. Hints like scanner, scout, and map statistics don't work. You forgot to quote and answer the more important part. Originally by: RuleoftheBone Originally by: Ildryn Other than the fact i am not allowed to purchase or own a firearm. All my other rights are reinstated. I work at the same place i worked when i was arrested. It pays 35k a year with health insurance and dental. So **** you. LOL more tossed salad man gems. Does the health insurance and dental cover your prescriptions for post-shower room trauma and activities ??


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