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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.12.12 03:19:00 -
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"At least we fight those who wish to oppress all races and make them slaves, unlike those who think they got nothing to fear. As stated before, and confirmed by Pie members, the goal is to conquer ALL races and make them lesser individuals of the amarr empire..."
You fight against a holy cause and you are doomed to failure. Our goal is not to conquer races and make them lesser for they already are lesser. We are the chosen of God the proof is in the scriptures see for yourself beast:
"Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one."
## The Scriptures. Book II.
As you can see the evidence is clear. We are the chosen and all others are inferior. We only seek to enlighten and bring all to the holy light of God.
Other races should not fear our efforts for as we assimilate all into the collective family of the Lord all are blessed by His holy light and grace. Enlightenment is the pinnacle of achievement for a lesser being like Minmatar, Caldari or Gallante. Even the ungodly evil Jovians could find God and repent their sins. Someday perhaps they will.
Do not hate us for doing as God commands rather open your arms to our efforts and join us in leading the universe to enlightenment. God has commanded it. It shall be done.
Archbishop
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.12.12 03:19:00 -
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Quote:
"At least we fight those who wish to oppress all races and make them slaves, unlike those who think they got nothing to fear. As stated before, and confirmed by Pie members, the goal is to conquer ALL races and make them lesser individuals of the amarr empire..."
You fight against a holy cause and you are doomed to failure. Our goal is not to conquer races and make them lesser for they already are lesser. We are the chosen of God the proof is in the scriptures see for yourself beast:
"Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one."
## The Scriptures. Book II.
As you can see the evidence is clear. We are the chosen and all others are inferior. We only seek to enlighten and bring all to the holy light of God.
Other races should not fear our efforts for as we assimilate all into the collective family of the Lord all are blessed by His holy light and grace. Enlightenment is the pinnacle of achievement for a lesser being like Minmatar, Caldari or Gallante. Even the ungodly evil Jovians could find God and repent their sins. Someday perhaps they will.
Do not hate us for doing as God commands rather open your arms to our efforts and join us in leading the universe to enlightenment. God has commanded it. It shall be done.
Archbishop
VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS
PIE INFORMATION CENTER |
Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2004.12.12 22:08:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Archbishop
Emperor Doriam II has decreed we treat slaves humanely and educate them in the scriptures.
Archbishop
Captain - PIE Corporation
Priest of the Holy Order
Board of Directors - Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves
you can not keep a slave a slave and treat him "humanely" it is that kind of inconsistency that is so pervasive with in the Amarrian culture.
"You can go kill people wherever you want if you take the consequences like a man (or a woman)."
-Oveur |
Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2004.12.12 22:08:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Archbishop
Emperor Doriam II has decreed we treat slaves humanely and educate them in the scriptures.
Archbishop
Captain - PIE Corporation
Priest of the Holy Order
Board of Directors - Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves
you can not keep a slave a slave and treat him "humanely" it is that kind of inconsistency that is so pervasive with in the Amarrian culture.
"You can go kill people wherever you want if you take the consequences like a man (or a woman)."
-Oveur |
Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2004.12.13 15:16:00 -
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Yes you can, I do it all the time.
Is it really worse to be called a slave and have regular food and shelter than to be destitute and homeless and called a bum?
Is it more humane to let the slave wander blindly against the teachings of god, than to help him start the path to enlightenment?
Is slavery worse than incarceration in prisons or executions? I mean really? Which would you prefer, rot in a cell or die for the crimes you commit or work towards forgiveness?
In essence slavery as Amarr practices it is proactive punishment for crimes. You are enslaved for your sins, and in being enslaved you give yourself (and your children) a chance at forgiveness for said sins and a future place in the Holy Amarr Empire. This is much better than haveing them rot in a prison for their entire life, sapping away the resources of the state while accomplishing absolutely nothing... isnt it?
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2004.12.13 15:16:00 -
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Yes you can, I do it all the time.
Is it really worse to be called a slave and have regular food and shelter than to be destitute and homeless and called a bum?
Is it more humane to let the slave wander blindly against the teachings of god, than to help him start the path to enlightenment?
Is slavery worse than incarceration in prisons or executions? I mean really? Which would you prefer, rot in a cell or die for the crimes you commit or work towards forgiveness?
In essence slavery as Amarr practices it is proactive punishment for crimes. You are enslaved for your sins, and in being enslaved you give yourself (and your children) a chance at forgiveness for said sins and a future place in the Holy Amarr Empire. This is much better than haveing them rot in a prison for their entire life, sapping away the resources of the state while accomplishing absolutely nothing... isnt it?
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Sarina
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Posted - 2004.12.13 20:05:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri repeats words weÆve heard so many times before.
What gives that the only alternative to slavery is that a person becomes a bum or imprisoned? 
You bore me Gaven, in stating the same things over and over. Its not abut enlightment, but even that is something that could be questioned most strongly.
We Ni-Kunni had our own religion, wiped out by the Amarr, no longer permitted to see enlightment in the way we see best. But not even thatÆs the real issue here. Not at all, what this really is about is the practice of forced labour and the splitting up of familys. You are a race with strong family values, you should understand that part of the issue easily.
And as Rasputin Baba correctly pointed out, many slaves are not Minmatari at all, but of other races. A substantial part of the Amarr population are Ni-Kunni just like myself still found in slavery.
Even though its correctly stated for us in the official description that ætoday only a small minority is still enslavedÆ this change have been very recent and many living Ni-Kunni have either experienced slavery firsthand or have a parent who have been so. 
With that in mind IÆm aghast at the idea that the corporation æFreelance UnincorporatedÆ even considers attacking other victims of the same slavery in the course of their crusade.
Is it righteous attacking those victims of the Amarr imperialism that just happen to work feeding themselves and their family.
Agents of the Amarr corporations, institutions and navy ask transports of slaves at times that doesnt make you a slaver yourself! Whats so wrong doing our work while awaiting a better day when things will change?
A one issue platform for one organisation like the æFreelance UnincorporatedÆ is really one oversimplification of matters as they truly are and that wont solve anything. Rasputin claims that 40% are of other races than the Minmatar û sadly that is one underestimate. The Amarr originated on a continent of one single world, since then they have spread and conquered many other people and races where are still slaves to the Amarr empire.
Then we have the Amarr themselves, they are also slaves, slaves to their own delusions!
To change the Amarr empire takes more than to fight against one single part, it must take on the whole political systems, its institutions and the corporations.
If you are true to your words Khaldorn Murino, then the same 'reparations' should be made for us Ni-Kunni as well, or?
Regardless of that, if you of the æFreelance UnincorporatedÆ insist that you in your fight against slavery will attack victims of the very same atrocity you say your are opposing, I will see no other option than to defend my people
As a sidenote: I signed up with the Royal Khanid navy, in the first day I had more than 30 confirmed kills of Amarr navy ships û thatÆs something isnÆt it? 
'Ex clarus sol ortum tenebrae umbra'
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Sarina
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Posted - 2004.12.13 20:05:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri repeats words weÆve heard so many times before.
What gives that the only alternative to slavery is that a person becomes a bum or imprisoned?
You bore me Gaven, in stating the same things over and over. Its not abut enlightment, but even that is something that could be questioned most strongly.
We Ni-Kunni had our own religion, wiped out by the Amarr, no longer permitted to see enlightment in the way we see best. But not even thatÆs the real issue here. Not at all, what this really is about is the practice of forced labour and the splitting up of familys. You are a race with strong family values, you should understand that part of the issue easily.
And as Rasputin Baba correctly pointed out, many slaves are not Minmatari at all, but of other races. A substantial part of the Amarr population are Ni-Kunni just like myself still found in slavery.
Even though its correctly stated for us in the official description that ætoday only a small minority is still enslavedÆ this change have been very recent and many living Ni-Kunni have either experienced slavery firsthand or have a parent who have been so.
With that in mind IÆm aghast at the idea that the corporation æFreelance UnincorporatedÆ even considers attacking other victims of the same slavery in the course of their crusade.
Is it righteous attacking those victims of the Amarr imperialism that just happen to work feeding themselves and their family.
Agents of the Amarr corporations, institutions and navy ask transports of slaves at times that doesnt make you a slaver yourself! Whats so wrong doing our work while awaiting a better day when things will change?
A one issue platform for one organisation like the æFreelance UnincorporatedÆ is really one oversimplification of matters as they truly are and that wont solve anything. Rasputin claims that 40% are of other races than the Minmatar û sadly that is one underestimate. The Amarr originated on a continent of one single world, since then they have spread and conquered many other people and races where are still slaves to the Amarr empire.
Then we have the Amarr themselves, they are also slaves, slaves to their own delusions!
To change the Amarr empire takes more than to fight against one single part, it must take on the whole political systems, its institutions and the corporations.
If you are true to your words Khaldorn Murino, then the same 'reparations' should be made for us Ni-Kunni as well, or?
Regardless of that, if you of the æFreelance UnincorporatedÆ insist that you in your fight against slavery will attack victims of the very same atrocity you say your are opposing, I will see no other option than to defend my people
As a sidenote: I signed up with the Royal Khanid navy, in the first day I had more than 30 confirmed kills of Amarr navy ships û thatÆs something isnÆt it?
'Ex clarus sol ortum tenebrae umbra'
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2004.12.13 20:12:00 -
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Im afraid we have not the resources to change the whole Amarrian Empire. We do what little we can to stop slavery in what way we can.
We fight for all enslaved people, not just mine.
We all do what we must to end this accursed slavery. I must live with the recourse of my actions.. but the alternative is to sit and do nothing.
And that, I cannot do.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2004.12.13 20:12:00 -
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Im afraid we have not the resources to change the whole Amarrian Empire. We do what little we can to stop slavery in what way we can.
We fight for all enslaved people, not just mine.
We all do what we must to end this accursed slavery. I must live with the recourse of my actions.. but the alternative is to sit and do nothing.
And that, I cannot do.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.12.14 02:21:00 -
[101]
Sarina Khanid Navy eh - Maggot theres one for the list!
Hmm Is buying a slave not for resale bad then?
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.12.14 02:21:00 -
[102]
Sarina Khanid Navy eh - Maggot theres one for the list!
Hmm Is buying a slave not for resale bad then?
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2004.12.14 02:35:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 14/12/2004 02:38:45
Quote:
Gaven Lok'ri repeats words weÆve heard so many times before.
Of course I do... repeating true words does not make them false.
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you can not keep a slave a slave and treat him "humanely" it is that kind of inconsistency that is so pervasive with in the Amarrian culture.
And its not like this is the most original complaint ever. Old words in responce to an old complaint.
As for the rest of your pointless diatribe if you truely believe that slavery is for the purpose you say it is, and yet you still work for Khanid... I would wonder at your sanity.
Slavery is worthwhile for one purpose and one purpose only. The bringing back into the fold of those people who have turned away from God. Race is irrelevant, except as an indication of how long the individual has had his back turned against our God.
Slavery when used for any other purpose is indeed almost as Evil as the Minmatar believe it to be. It is a pity that they are too blinded by false idealism to see the difference.
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2004.12.14 02:35:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 14/12/2004 02:38:45
Quote:
Gaven Lok'ri repeats words weÆve heard so many times before.
Of course I do... repeating true words does not make them false.
Quote:
you can not keep a slave a slave and treat him "humanely" it is that kind of inconsistency that is so pervasive with in the Amarrian culture.
And its not like this is the most original complaint ever. Old words in responce to an old complaint.
As for the rest of your pointless diatribe if you truely believe that slavery is for the purpose you say it is, and yet you still work for Khanid... I would wonder at your sanity.
Slavery is worthwhile for one purpose and one purpose only. The bringing back into the fold of those people who have turned away from God. Race is irrelevant, except as an indication of how long the individual has had his back turned against our God.
Slavery when used for any other purpose is indeed almost as Evil as the Minmatar believe it to be. It is a pity that they are too blinded by false idealism to see the difference.
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Sarina
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Posted - 2004.12.14 22:22:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Sarina on 14/12/2004 22:33:59
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Nemesis I said:
"Sarina Khanid Navy eh - Maggot theres one for the list!"
Im completely at loss why Maggot would mind, even less list me as a slaver for fighting Ammar navy ships, since im killing the mutual enemy!
Yes, the Amarr navy are defending the system im opposing and so we got an 'open season' on those.
But I do resent the idea of attacking innocent bystanders, and if possible will even defend civilian ships in Amarr space, if freelance unincorporated attack those.
Are you able to see the difference there Nemesis I?
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Sarina
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Posted - 2004.12.14 22:22:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Sarina on 14/12/2004 22:33:59
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Nemesis I said:
"Sarina Khanid Navy eh - Maggot theres one for the list!"
Im completely at loss why Maggot would mind, even less list me as a slaver for fighting Ammar navy ships, since im killing the mutual enemy!
Yes, the Amarr navy are defending the system im opposing and so we got an 'open season' on those.
But I do resent the idea of attacking innocent bystanders, and if possible will even defend civilian ships in Amarr space, if freelance unincorporated attack those.
Are you able to see the difference there Nemesis I?
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Paul Atradiese
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Posted - 2004.12.14 23:44:00 -
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As normal the Amar state this is gods will if so please answer the following (occ.please forgive spelling i'm mildly dislexix)
god's interlect surpasses mans but yet you clame to speak for him (this is heresey as god is far beyond your comprehension your minds are not equal to his and to say you fully understand him means you are his equal)
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Paul Atradiese
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Posted - 2004.12.14 23:44:00 -
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As normal the Amar state this is gods will if so please answer the following (occ.please forgive spelling i'm mildly dislexix)
god's interlect surpasses mans but yet you clame to speak for him (this is heresey as god is far beyond your comprehension your minds are not equal to his and to say you fully understand him means you are his equal)
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.12.15 00:35:00 -
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Sarina, Khanids are still Amarrian, and actively partake in slavery my dear.
If I dare say with even more gusto than other Amarrians...
Thus the Navy you work for are the very navy that protect 'Khanid Transport' who amongst other things, sell slaves oddly enough!
Nem
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.12.15 00:35:00 -
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Sarina, Khanids are still Amarrian, and actively partake in slavery my dear.
If I dare say with even more gusto than other Amarrians...
Thus the Navy you work for are the very navy that protect 'Khanid Transport' who amongst other things, sell slaves oddly enough!
Nem
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Sarina
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Posted - 2004.12.15 22:52:00 -
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Oh yes they do, a sad fact, yet completely true.
It is also true they fight one undeclared war against the Amarr, or rather, its the Amarr who are the agressor no doubt on that.
Desperate times might give you strange friends.
Im walking a fine line here Nemesis I, eroding the system from within.
Thats the only option open for me and those other few Ni-Kunni who have spoken up and made anti slavery declarations just like me.
This was something I tried to explain to Khaldorn Murino and Maggot in my previous communications here.
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Sarina
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Posted - 2004.12.15 22:52:00 -
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Oh yes they do, a sad fact, yet completely true.
It is also true they fight one undeclared war against the Amarr, or rather, its the Amarr who are the agressor no doubt on that.
Desperate times might give you strange friends.
Im walking a fine line here Nemesis I, eroding the system from within.
Thats the only option open for me and those other few Ni-Kunni who have spoken up and made anti slavery declarations just like me.
This was something I tried to explain to Khaldorn Murino and Maggot in my previous communications here.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2004.12.16 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 16/12/2004 02:33:14
We do not claim to 'speak for God' foolish heathen.
"The Amarr people came into the world and the world came into being.
Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old world and created a new one.
The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man.
To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled.
The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil.
Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority."
## The Scriptures, Book I.
God is all powerful. God rules all according to His plan. God Grants the Emperor insight into his plan. The Emperor does Gods will and carries out his Divine Plan. This is following God's will... not speaking for Him.
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2004.12.16 02:28:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri on 16/12/2004 02:33:14
We do not claim to 'speak for God' foolish heathen.
"The Amarr people came into the world and the world came into being.
Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old world and created a new one.
The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man.
To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled.
The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil.
Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority."
## The Scriptures, Book I.
God is all powerful. God rules all according to His plan. God Grants the Emperor insight into his plan. The Emperor does Gods will and carries out his Divine Plan. This is following God's will... not speaking for Him.
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2004.12.17 13:26:00 -
[115]
To all slavers we have contacted. If you have not replied I suggest you do so soon.
We will soon be taking matters further in regards to the slave traders who refuse to renounce their traade.
You have been warned.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2004.12.17 13:26:00 -
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To all slavers we have contacted. If you have not replied I suggest you do so soon.
We will soon be taking matters further in regards to the slave traders who refuse to renounce their traade.
You have been warned.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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