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Gligan
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:15:00 -
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is it me or does the new scorp hull look a lot like something the gallente would create. I mean get into space and look at 1, it's all rounded and smooth and freaking symmetrical. I think caldari lost some of their uniqueness - people insist that old hull was fugly, why would a machine of death and destruction need to be pretty. Next thing you know you'd have hello kitty painted on the side of it.
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Headerman
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Gligan
why would a machine of death and destruction need to be pretty.
That's Minmatar's job
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Grissem
Griss Co
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Grissem on 27/05/2010 11:23:14
this might help
Scorp redesign blog
edit
personally I like the look of the new hull - but that's just me
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dtyk
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Posted - 2010.05.27 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gligan
Next thing you know you'd have hello kitty painted on the side of it.
I want pink fur on all my ships. TO THE ASSEMBLY HALL!
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Waxau
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:26:00 -
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I have to say, im loving the new hull compared to the previous. Never liked the size of the scorp, nor the lopsided 'centre'. Made 5 degree scanning with the Widow a real *****.
BUT!
Why did it have to resemble a scorpion? In the Eve Lore, they cant remember earth, or how they got here or something. BUT....they rememeber the exact appearance of a scorpion?
And why is it it HAS to look like a scorpion? Before it had the tail, and now it has the pincers..WHY?!
The crow doesnt look like a bird. The Orca doesnt look like a whale. The Worm doesnt look like a worm. So why does a scorpion have to look like a scorpion? :(
Mind you, i still like it.. I just like to complain.
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:45:00 -
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DON'T TOUCH MAH SCORP!!!
That said... Asymmetrical design doesn't mean "bunch of randomly put together clunky boxes with no sense whatsoever". Look at the Thorax: asymmetric but effective and nice too look at.
Want caldari examples? Heron, kestrel, merlin (though only slightly) are all asymmetric but still functional, not clunky and pleasing designs. The condor is asymmetric as well, but it's pretty much 5 polygons only, not much detail there, though it's still more pleasant to look at than the old scorpion.
The new scorpion is asymmetric as well, though in the details only. The fact is that asymmetric design, in particular, an asymmetric hull, rarely makes sense, in particular because it makes propulsion vectoring much more difficult (try rowing a boat with 3 rowers on one side and just 1 on the other...) and it also makes more difficult to balance the rotational pull during maneuvers since not all the parts of the hull are solicited in the same way.
Also, while you may see caldari ships as "asymmetric", I have to say that most of em are almost completely symmetrical. Kestrel, merlin, heron, caracal, drake, ferox, rokh... To some degree even the raven can be considered mostly symmetrical.
The point here is that: clunky = bad, sleek (not necessarily rounded, and the scorpion is nowhere near being a gallente ship) = good. Asymmetric = bad or good, depends on how you pull it off. I'm fine with either if the final result is good. Scorpion wasn't.
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Antarea Starfallis
Caldari
Farsight Systems
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac
DON'T TOUCH MAH SCORP!!!
That said... Asymmetrical design doesn't mean "bunch of randomly put together clunky boxes with no sense whatsoever". Look at the Thorax: asymmetric but effective and nice too look at.
Want caldari examples? Heron, kestrel, merlin (though only slightly) are all asymmetric but still functional, not clunky and pleasing designs. The condor is asymmetric as well, but it's pretty much 5 polygons only, not much detail there, though it's still more pleasant to look at than the old scorpion.
The new scorpion is asymmetric as well, though in the details only. The fact is that asymmetric design, in particular, an asymmetric hull, rarely makes sense, in particular because it makes propulsion vectoring much more difficult (try rowing a boat with 3 rowers on one side and just 1 on the other...) and it also makes more difficult to balance the rotational pull during maneuvers since not all the parts of the hull are solicited in the same way.
Also, while you may see caldari ships as "asymmetric", I have to say that most of em are almost completely symmetrical. Kestrel, merlin, heron, caracal, drake, ferox, rokh... To some degree even the raven can be considered mostly symmetrical.
The point here is that: clunky = bad, sleek (not necessarily rounded, and the scorpion is nowhere near being a gallente ship) = good. Asymmetric = bad or good, depends on how you pull it off. I'm fine with either if the final result is good. Scorpion wasn't.
Totally agree.
I think Eve ship design can grow on you if you let it. I mean, I've been floating around in a Domi with no turrets showing and no engine flares, resembling this wierd bluish fist floating through space and it doesn't bother me at all anymore. I'd still give anything to have it look like the mega or hype, but for now, its ok...
Its like the most comfortable shoes in the world are also the ugliest. Not everyone can stand to wear them, but those who do end up liking them regardless of everyone frowning at them. Sadly, its also those same shoes that end up "disappearing" once you get married.
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August Moondweller
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:15:00 -
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id like to complain. i know that all ships will be reworked, but i fear that minmatar hulls will still look like something mcguyver accidentaly duct taped together.
then got some spare paint on it.
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Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: August Moondweller
but i fear that minmatar hulls will still look like something mcguyver accidentaly duct taped together.
then got some spare paint on it.
That's a problem? 
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Gecko O'Bac
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.28 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: August Moondweller
but i fear that minmatar hulls will still look like something mcguyver accidentaly duct taped together.
then got some spare paint on it.
That's a problem?
Uh... Don't they look already like that?
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.29 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 29/05/2010 00:53:10
Originally by: Waxau
Why did it have to resemble a scorpion? In the Eve Lore, they cant remember earth, or how they got here or something. BUT....they rememeber the exact appearance of a scorpion?
And why is it it HAS to look like a scorpion? Before it had the tail, and now it has the pincers..WHY?!
The crow doesnt look like a bird. The Orca doesnt look like a whale. The Worm doesnt look like a worm. So why does a scorpion have to look like a scorpion? :(
Mind you, i still like it.. I just like to complain.
The tail is functional. As a EW boat, the emitter arrays are moved far from the interference of the engines and main hull. 
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Mar Lee
An Army of None
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Posted - 2010.05.29 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac
Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: August Moondweller
but i fear that minmatar hulls will still look like something mcguyver accidentaly duct taped together.
then got some spare paint on it.
That's a problem?
Uh... Don't they look already like that?
If Minmatar hulls stop being made of I-beams and rusty duct tape, I'm quitting EVE. Some things are too sacred to mess with.
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Ruhige Schmerz
Valhalla Naval Corp
Black Nova Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.29 01:36:00 -
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New scorp looks great.
The "science" part of "science fiction" has a real hard time adjusting to asymmetrical ships. Doesn't make sense. Nor from a manufacturing or maintenance standpoint. Fix all the asymmetrical ships!
Don't care if they're sleek or blocky, round or angular, or what is painted on them.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.29 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Sader Rykane on 29/05/2010 04:11:31
Originally by: Mar Lee
Originally by: Gecko O'Bac
Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: August Moondweller
but i fear that minmatar hulls will still look like something mcguyver accidentaly duct taped together.
then got some spare paint on it.
That's a problem?
Uh... Don't they look already like that?
If Minmatar hulls stop being made of I-beams and rusty duct tape, I'm quitting EVE. Some things are too sacred to mess with.
Maelstrom?
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.05.29 06:21:00 -
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It's not symmetrical.
But for the record, I only changed my sig because I was annoying myself with the last one.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.29 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Von Kapiche on 29/05/2010 06:42:40
Originally by: August Moondweller
id like to complain. i know that all ships will be reworked, but i fear that minmatar hulls will still look like something mcguyver accidentaly duct taped together.
then got some spare paint on it.
Having just found a Blackbird in a hangar the other day ( surprise ships! ) I don't think it's the Minmatar who randomly stick parts together to make ships. Make the most of limited resources perhaps - putting it politely - but at least their ships weren't "designed" by some CEO's 2 year old with a stack of play blocks. Now the kid has grown up a bit & he's watching the caldari equivalent of dinosaur documentaries.
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Zachary Sikorsky
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Posted - 2010.05.29 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Zachary Sikorsky on 29/05/2010 08:29:06
Originally by: dtyk
I want pink fur on all my ships. TO THE ASSEMBLY HALL!
Nooooes, do you realize how heavy real-time fur renders are?! Although it would look awesome to have something like a beard trailing after you ship (now that we don't get engine trails anymore...)
edit: spelling.. *sigh*
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.29 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman
Originally by: Gligan
why would a machine of death and destruction need to be pretty.
That's Minmatar's job
ba dumm tish! 
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Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2010.05.29 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ilene D''over on 29/05/2010 10:32:00
Originally by: Gligan
Next thing you know you'd have hello kitty painted on the side of it.
Only if hello kitty is hanging by strands of razor wire and has a pickaxe through the head.
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Maeve Kell
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Posted - 2010.05.29 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gligan
...is it me or does the new scorp hull look a lot like something the gallente would create. I mean get into space and look at 1, it's all rounded and smooth and freaking symmetrical. ..
Nearly none of the Gallente Ships are symmetrical, at least not the famous ones like the rax, the arazu or the mega
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Veliria
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Posted - 2010.05.29 10:54:00 -
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I just wish they didn't do the camo paint on the Navy Scorp.
It's space, why do a forest camo on a ship...I mean...is it gonna blend into the background of a temperate planet?
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.29 11:03:00 -
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I think the new scorp model is superb, it really does look the part now.
Bring on more changes I say.
Domonix with a tophat and black spectacles and moustache?
Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Marcus Henik
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Posted - 2010.05.29 13:36:00 -
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the new scorpian is gorgeous, I am lookin forwardt seeing what they do wth the other ships.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.05.29 14:10:00 -
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i preferred the old hull.
i hope CCP dont touch my minmatar ships
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Morikai Acler
Caldari
The Whitesands Consortium
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.05.29 14:32:00 -
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I like the new scorp too. Starting to look like the caldari actually have some ship designers. Now if only they could do something to fix the Moa/Gila/eagle/Onyx hull, if you thought the old scorp was scary, look at that.
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