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Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.05.28 16:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Zions Child on 28/05/2010 16:19:05 So I have low sec status, low enough to not go near 0.6 or higher hi-sec, but not so low anyone can shoot me. I was picking up some skillbooks in a hi-sec station, and as I was leaving, I noticed that the faction navies started to scram me. AFAIK the faction navies weren't supposed to scram you. If they have been scramming people for a long time, then I was just fed misinformation. Could someone confirm that faction navies are supposed to scram you for me? Oh, and IB4Pathetic. Edit: Oh, and I'm posting this here because this is where all you criminals who would know about this hang out. And GD is ultra-spammed with Tyrannis ***ers. Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.05.28 16:35:00 - [2] I'm pretty sure that they've always scrammed, it's just that they're noobs and web first then scram several seconds afterward. Most ships will enter warp before the scrambling happens due to the web effect.

CCP Zymurgist Gallente C C P	Posted - 2010.05.28 16:41:00 - [3] CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules. Check your killmail? Might find a player hidden in there. Although someone bumping you is also a possibility. Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.05.28 16:47:00 - [4] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules. Check your killmail? Might find a player hidden in there. Although someone bumping you is also a possibility. I wasn't killed, because of being able to dock up again But, I can assure you it was a faction navy thing, Roden Shipyard police or something out in the backwaters of Gallente space. I was in a 0.7 system, and my sec status is about -4.36, so players shouldn't be able to shoot me without being CONCORDed, and we're not in a war and the people with kill rights on me are all macro miners on the other side of the galaxy. There were also about 2 or 3 messages: Roden Police Scrammer starts to warp scramble you! Right as I was leaving the station... If anything, I filed a petition, and would it be possible to seed the ccookie and quafe-dispensers on the market? It'd be pretty awesome to piwat someone and then shoot a cookie at their pod Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Pistrik Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.28 16:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules. Check your killmail? Might find a player hidden in there. Although someone bumping you is also a possibility. I wasn't killed, because of being able to dock up again But, I can assure you it was a faction navy thing, Roden Shipyard police or something out in the backwaters of Gallente space. I was in a 0.7 system, and my sec status is about -4.36, so players shouldn't be able to shoot me without being CONCORDed, and we're not in a war and the people with kill rights on me are all macro miners on the other side of the galaxy. There were also about 2 or 3 messages: Roden Police Scrammer starts to warp scramble you! Right as I was leaving the station... If anything, I filed a petition, and would it be possible to seed the ccookie and quafe-dispensers on the market? It'd be pretty awesome to piwat someone and then shoot a cookie at their pod A petition for what? Yes, faction navies do scramble. They also web you first, THEN scram a few seconds later...hence why 99% of people get away without getting scrammed. This was answered already above.
z0de The Bastards The Tusker Bastards	Posted - 2010.05.28 16:58:00 - [6] Edited by: z0de on 28/05/2010 16:58:40 Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules. Originally by: Zions Child I can assure you it was a faction navy thing, Roden Shipyard police or something out in the backwaters of Gallente space. Taking all bets that dev's know more about the game than Zions Originally by: Zions Child I was in a 0.7 system, and my sec status is about -4.36 oh. Players with -4.0 or worse cannot enter 0.6 systems Players with -4.5 or worse cannot enter 0.5 systems á á
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.05.28 16:59:00 - [7] Edited by: Zions Child on 28/05/2010 17:01:35 Originally by: Pistrik Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules. Check your killmail? Might find a player hidden in there. Although someone bumping you is also a possibility. I wasn't killed, because of being able to dock up again But, I can assure you it was a faction navy thing, Roden Shipyard police or something out in the backwaters of Gallente space. I was in a 0.7 system, and my sec status is about -4.36, so players shouldn't be able to shoot me without being CONCORDed, and we're not in a war and the people with kill rights on me are all macro miners on the other side of the galaxy. There were also about 2 or 3 messages: Roden Police Scrammer starts to warp scramble you! Right as I was leaving the station... If anything, I filed a petition, and would it be possible to seed the ccookie and quafe-dispensers on the market? It'd be pretty awesome to piwat someone and then shoot a cookie at their pod A petition for what? Yes, faction navies do scramble. They also web you first, THEN scram a few seconds later...hence why 99% of people get away without getting scrammed. This was answered already above. Reading helps, because Zymurgist just said faction Navy captains don't scram, I was petitioning for clarification. Oh, and Zode, no ** I can't enter a 0.7 system, I'm not that much of a noob, I've just never been scrammed leaving a 0.7 station before by faction navies, and most of the people I talk to tell me I can't be scrammed by faction navies, as for the devs knowing more than players, yes, they do, when they go and look at the logs. My combat logs show: "Roden Police Captain has started trying to warp scramble you!" If my combat logs are right, then wtfever, but I'd like clarification from a GM or Dev or a player who has experienced being scrammed by the faction navies. Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.05.28 17:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Zions Child My combat logs show: "Roden Police Captain has started trying to warp scramble you!" If my combat logs are right, then wtfever, but I'd like clarification from a GM or Dev or a player who has experienced being scrammed by the faction navies. Well, Roden Police Captain is not the faction navy...That's the corporate PoPo which is different if memory serves. I don't off the top of my head remember what spawns the corporate police over the navy police (My brain vaguely remembers that the corporate cops may show up someone shoots the station, and if for example its not the navy's station.) -- Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
Rogue Baaco	Posted - 2010.05.28 18:00:00 - [9] Last I checked Corp PoPo will show up if you attack their little convoys near one of their own stations... another time I seen it is with the really bad standings from the NPC corp itself... IE... Sisters of Eve has my main at -8 or something... I dock in their station and when I undocks... they waiting to collect my ship... but see I ain't supidz as I roam in a pod tee hee.....
Ruhige Schmerz Valhalla Naval Corp Black Nova Federation	Posted - 2010.05.28 18:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Zions Child Edited by: Zions Child on 28/05/2010 17:01:35 Originally by: Pistrik Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules. Check your killmail? Might find a player hidden in there. Although someone bumping you is also a possibility. I wasn't killed, because of being able to dock up again But, I can assure you it was a faction navy thing, Roden Shipyard police or something out in the backwaters of Gallente space. I was in a 0.7 system, and my sec status is about -4.36, so players shouldn't be able to shoot me without being CONCORDed, and we're not in a war and the people with kill rights on me are all macro miners on the other side of the galaxy. There were also about 2 or 3 messages: Roden Police Scrammer starts to warp scramble you! Right as I was leaving the station... If anything, I filed a petition, and would it be possible to seed the ccookie and quafe-dispensers on the market? It'd be pretty awesome to piwat someone and then shoot a cookie at their pod A petition for what? Yes, faction navies do scramble. They also web you first, THEN scram a few seconds later...hence why 99% of people get away without getting scrammed. This was answered already above. Reading helps, because Zymurgist just said faction Navy captains don't scram, I was petitioning for clarification. Oh, and Zode, no **** I can't enter a 0.7 system, I'm not that much of a noob, I've just never been scrammed leaving a 0.7 station before by faction navies, and most of the people I talk to tell me I can't be scrammed by faction navies, as for the devs knowing more than players, yes, they do, when they go and look at the logs. My combat logs show: "Roden Police Captain has started trying to warp scramble you!" If my combat logs are right, then wtfever, but I'd like clarification from a GM or Dev or a player who has experienced being scrammed by the faction navies. Your criminal status did it. It was not the navy scrambling you, it was the police (surveillance officers, etc). They aren't the same thing.
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.05.28 18:19:00 - [11] Clarification: Faction Navies, from the FW game mechanic, do not scram.
Ruhige Schmerz Valhalla Naval Corp Black Nova Federation	Posted - 2010.05.28 18:26:00 - [12] Originally by: James Tritanius Clarification: Faction Navies, from the FW game mechanic, do not scram. Further clarification: Navies predate FW. They will attack FW targets, and players with -5 or worse faction standing. - CONCORD attacks anyone with a GCC in high-sec, and only them. - Navies attack FW targets and anyone with -5 or worse faction standing. - Police attack people with poor overall security status. - Customs attacks people who refuse to hand over contraband.
Zeredek Gallente Vanguard Venture	Posted - 2010.05.28 18:46:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules. Sig'd Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules.
Shigsy Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.28 19:07:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules. Check your killmail? Might find a player hidden in there. Although someone bumping you is also a possibility. Eh, not sure if serious. All faction navies scram... it's just that they take a while and you pretty much always get webbed long before they scram you so you should always make it into warp. The obvious exception is in Amarr highsec space, where the navies dont web for some reason, and do scram fairly quick. _________________________________
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.05.28 20:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Shigsy Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules. Check your killmail? Might find a player hidden in there. Although someone bumping you is also a possibility. Eh, not sure if serious. All faction navies scram... it's just that they take a while and you pretty much always get webbed long before they scram you so you should always make it into warp. The obvious exception is in Amarr highsec space, where the navies dont web for some reason, and do scram fairly quick. This man is right. At least, in my experience. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.28 21:24:00 - [16] Clicky Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
RedSplat Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.05.28 23:09:00 - [17] faction navys can scram. I dont know if this is intended or not, i do know that some devs dont actually play this game. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.05.28 23:43:00 - [18] To the two of you who couldn't read and answered my post with snide comments, go suck a **. To the rest of you, thank you very much for the clarification, I did not know there was that much of a difference between customs/police/faction navies. Wasn't really concerned, just curious. Thank you. Also, question answered, thread may be closed now. Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Lysander Kaldenn Dead Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.05.29 01:13:00 - [19] Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 29/05/2010 01:13:50 They do scram, but I've noticed that if you can hold out long enough and spam warp they cycle the scram for some reason and most times, unless your in a paper-thin ship, you can get away.
Hellz Hitman Caldari No-Mercy	Posted - 2010.05.29 01:32:00 - [20] I petitioned this as well, I undocked in a concord system, got scrammed and concordoken'd. Which also gave me a GCC and locked all gates.This was approximately a year ago however, The GM Reimbursed me saying that faction navys responding to a low security status are not supposed to scram. However, if Concord is the Local Navy, their AI takes effect and treats you as a criminal. The concord response for sec status isn't that bad though, I actually managed to evade them for 15 minutes just in time to warp to gate and get shot again and die. Hope it helps heh.. No-Mercy
Cyzlaki Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.05.29 05:51:00 - [21] I've been scrammed by faction navies all the damn time. I dunno what that CCP guy is talking about, but he's wrong.
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.05.29 08:05:00 - [22] Was wondering what the CCP guy was smoking. Faction Navies DO scram/point. It just takes when a while. They'll web first, then point. Usually you'll get insta warped by them ------------------------
plastastic	Posted - 2010.05.29 09:18:00 - [23] Edited by: plastastic on 29/05/2010 09:19:29 They Changed it along with the Concord changes the frigs get there very fast and web you the BS are the ones that scram and take several seconds to lock you Originally by: Shade Millith Was wondering what the CCP guy was smoking. Faction Navies DO scram/point. It just takes when a while. They'll web first, then point. Usually you'll get insta warped by them he is the form mod/dev dont take his word as gospel on in game things just on form rules
SolusLunes Caldari Griefing Inc	Posted - 2010.05.29 09:22:00 - [24] Concord: Generated on creation of GCC. Scram, web, neut, gank, yay concorddoken. Faction Navy: Generated upon entry of system if: you are in opposing FW or have standing with the faction of -5 or lower. Web only. Faction Police: Generated upon entry of system if: security status too low for safe passage through system. Scram/web. In other, related news, Mitnal was never here.
Criss AngeI	Posted - 2010.05.29 10:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Zions Child To the two of you who couldn't read and answered my post with snide comments, go suck a ****. To the rest of you, thank you very much for the clarification, I did not know there was that much of a difference between customs/police/faction navies. Wasn't really concerned, just curious. Thank you. Also, question answered, thread may be closed now.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.29 12:43:00 - [26] Originally by: SolusLunes Concord: Generated on creation of GCC. Scram, web, neut, gank, yay concorddoken. Faction Navy: Generated upon entry of system if: you are in opposing FW or have standing with the faction of -5 or lower. Web only. Faction Police: Generated upon entry of system if: security status too low for safe passage through system. Scram/web. QFE ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Slimy Worm Sons of Viagra	Posted - 2010.05.29 22:07:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist CONCORD scrambles, Pod Pilots Scramble, but Faction Navy captains can't squeeze a warp scrambler with the Quafe and cookie dispensing mid-slot modules. Check your killmail? Might find a player hidden in there. Although someone bumping you is also a possibility. The OP mistook the faction police for the faction navy. Faction navies deal with faction warfare opponents and don't scram while faction police deal with people with low sec status and do scram.
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.05.29 23:16:00 - [28] Originally by: SolusLunes Concord: Generated on creation of GCC. Scram, web, neut, gank, yay concorddoken. Faction Navy: Generated upon entry of system if: you are in opposing FW or have standing with the faction of -5 or lower. Web only. Faction Police: Generated upon entry of system if: security status too low for safe passage through system. Scram/web. There is one more alternative to this that I have experienced. If you have low faction standing and are agressed by the Faction Navy at say a gate and an outlaw jump through spawning the Faction Police, then you will get scrammed by the police as soon as the outlaw leaves the site. The aggro is transferred to the person remining there regardless of sec status. It should be possible to bait and nail FW WTs this way if you have an outlaw in say a shuttle following them while in hostile highsec.

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