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Kuronaga The Drekla Consortium Waterboard	Posted - 2010.05.29 20:04:00 - [1] Just in case anyone forgot.
Alt Tabbed	Posted - 2010.05.29 20:15:00 - [2] Maybe...but it does possess a few things not many other ships will ever get. Best Station spinner in game TBH.
Kuronaga The Drekla Consortium Waterboard	Posted - 2010.05.29 20:21:00 - [3] I'm not spending my LP on a phantasm so I can spin it in a station. It's gimped. CCP swore up and down that this was balance... well look at market prices now. Obviously the rest of the game doesn't agree.
arbiter reborn	Posted - 2010.05.29 20:29:00 - [4] i like it, great for solo and small gang stuff. im quite glad its cheap
Goose99	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Alt Tabbed Maybe...but it does possess a few things not many other ships will ever get. Best Station spinner in game TBH. Yep, it's one of those useless collector ships. Nice to know it's cheap, I'll have to add one to my collection.
Jhagiti Tyran Invicta.	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:40:00 - [6] What makes it "gimped" exactly? the shield HP nerf was a bit of a kick in the **** but it far from nerfed it into uselessness and it still has a good chunk of EHP and decent damage output. So its not quite as uber as it was before the shields got hit with the nerfbat but its still pretty damn good.
Novantco The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards	Posted - 2010.05.29 22:12:00 - [7] Why was it's EHP nerfed in the first place?
Majsus Tiestehr	Posted - 2010.05.29 23:55:00 - [8] I've recently gone Sansha ships, IE going sideskills with Caldari and have taken a look at the Sansha ships while doing so. The Nightmare seems to be as stable missionrunner as ever, and probably perfoming good for pvp anyone willing to risk it. However, after looking into the Phantasm and Succubus for small scale pvp it was mixed feelings; the Succubus seem to field a good shield tank and good dps to go with it, I havn't tried it out but it seems to be a slow powerhouse of a frig. The Phantasm however, doesn't seem to be that great at anything, infact I compared some of the Phantasm Battleclinic fits as well as own one with a shield tanked Harbinger and while the speed slightly benefited the Phantasm, as well as the extra tracking, they seem to perform about the same and I don't see quite how it's cost would warrant it's use in current state. That said, however there might be awesome fits or ways to use it I have missed that make it awesome, if anyone does have that I gladly take any input or advice about it.
Pajama Sam The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards	Posted - 2010.05.30 00:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Novantco Why was it's EHP nerfed in the first place? You mean "its", you silly bimbo. I have nothing valuable to add to this conversation.
Novantco The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards	Posted - 2010.05.30 00:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Pajama Sam Originally by: Novantco Why was it's EHP nerfed in the first place? You mean "its", you silly bimbo. I have nothing valuable to add to this conversation. One small mistake and you have to pick it out. Tsk tsk I hope you get face cancer.
Kuronaga The Drekla Consortium Waterboard	Posted - 2010.05.30 02:52:00 - [11] The phantasm feels like an almost awesome ship because it IS an almost awesome ship. The main obstacle being the other ships in its class just completely outshine their counter-parts in what they can do, but the phantasm does not. Ya dig? Those angel ships sure are wtfoverpowered though, and i honestly think that yes they should be. The phantasm should be just as overpowered, it's a top of the line pirate ship. It's harder to obtain, after all. I mean we are talking about some broken ass hybrid tech that the four empires deemed so scary they needed to team up to destroy it. When you see a cynabal, dramiel, machariel you go "primary that sucker, quick!" When you see a phantasm you go "lol phantasm, kill it"
Pokechan333	Posted - 2010.05.30 04:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Pajama Sam Originally by: Novantco Why was it's EHP nerfed in the first place? You mean "its", you silly bimbo. I have nothing valuable to add to this conversation. Actually, the correct version is it's. It's is possessive, as in "Why was the Phantasm's (it's) EHP nerfed?" :D
Das Governator The Republican Party	Posted - 2010.05.30 05:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Pokechan333 Originally by: Pajama Sam Originally by: Novantco Why was it's EHP nerfed in the first place? You mean "its", you silly bimbo. I have nothing valuable to add to this conversation. Actually, the correct version is it's. It's is possessive, as in "Why was the Phantasm's (it's) EHP nerfed?" :D Nice try, but fail. If English stuck to its guns you'd be onto something..... but it doesn't. It's is a contraction for it is or it has. Its is a possessive pronoun meaning, more or less, of it or belonging to it. And there is absolutely, positively, no such word as its'.
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.05.30 06:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Pajama Sam Originally by: Novantco Why was it's EHP nerfed in the first place? You mean "its", you silly bimbo. I have nothing valuable to add to this conversation. Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.05.30 09:57:00 - [15] Stuff what I want the Phantasm to have: Moar faster/agile (Nowhere near Cynabal fast, but faster or at least more agile than right now). Moar cargohold. Moar cap regen. Extra lowslot. Then we're good. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Spartan dax	Posted - 2010.05.30 10:10:00 - [16] More agility. The ship really handles like a pig in space. Speed is crap but it's the bad agility that turns me off. Tank/cap. You need a cap booster on the ship resulting in a tank that's pretty much equal to a cynabal. Except Cynabals get a lot more perks to go with it. A fix for me would be more PG so I could fit 2 med neuts and a med cap booster. That would at least make it better without changing what it's supposed to do.
Torque Daisy Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.30 11:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Pokechan333 Originally by: Pajama Sam Originally by: Novantco Why was it's EHP nerfed in the first place? You mean "its", you silly bimbo. I have nothing valuable to add to this conversation. Actually, the correct version is it's. It's is possessive, as in "Why was the Phantasm's (it's) EHP nerfed?" :D nope, it's its :P
Valea Silpha Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.30 14:24:00 - [18] The phantasm is indeed utter junk. Personally, I'd like it to get an optimal bonus, thus making it a turbo-zealot for sniping. I really hate that the phantasm does almost identical to my beam zealot with pulses. 500 damage is AWESOME at 30km (even better when you can push out to 100km). At 7.5km ... its kinda pathetic. Sure you CAN get decent range with scorch, but why bother compared to a beam-zealot ? Every time I try and come up with a decent fit I end up coming out with something the plenty of stuff already does. If you want to go in close then you can kiss your ass goodbye. You are no-where near fast or durable enough to do this (deimos syndrome). On the other hand you can't get good range with beams either. Leave at home.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2010.05.30 15:41:00 - [19] Considering I fly this thing more or less everyday, let me elaborate on what the solution should be. It does decent scorch damage in the point-zone of 20-25km, and has the two utility highs for whatever. However, there is no grid remaining after the required MWD/booster/heavy pulse/extender to fit anything legitimate in those two slots, no way to get even a single medium neut in there. The big problem is that it lacks the speed to remain in point range but out of web/scram range, and is outclassed in every way in this range area by the cynabal. Another issue is that IT IS MISSING A SLOT. WTF CCP. My solution: add 10m3 drone bandwidth/bay for a full set of light drones. add a lowslot (it's missing one, you know it, I know it, CCP knows it) either increase shield HP to increase survivability in the point-zone, or significantly increase speed or agility to have better control over the range in an engagement give it enough extra fitting to actually use the two high slots As it stands, it makes a decent midrange DPS ship but it lacks the something special that should set it apart from a Zealot. The tracking bonus is very nice, I have no issues with the range we're made to engage in, but the ship lacks power in its 'role'. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City'
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.05.30 16:40:00 - [20] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 30/05/2010 16:40:41 I would prefer +10 m^3 drone bay and +1 low slot and +1 turret slot. -Liang Ed: What, it'd be better than a Zealot then? REALLY? OHLYSIHT! -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Valea Silpha Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.30 16:42:00 - [21] Edited by: Valea Silpha on 30/05/2010 16:44:07 Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Considering I fly this thing more or less everyday, let me elaborate on what the solution should be. It does decent scorch damage in the point-zone of 20-25km, and has the two utility highs for whatever. However, there is no grid remaining after the required MWD/booster/heavy pulse/extender to fit anything legitimate in those two slots, no way to get even a single medium neut in there. The big problem is that it lacks the speed to remain in point range but out of web/scram range, and is outclassed in every way in this range area by the cynabal. Another issue is that IT IS MISSING A SLOT. WTF CCP. My solution: add 10m3 drone bandwidth/bay for a full set of light drones. add a lowslot (it's missing one, you know it, I know it, CCP knows it) either increase shield HP to increase survivability in the point-zone, or significantly increase speed or agility to have better control over the range in an engagement give it enough extra fitting to actually use the two high slots As it stands, it makes a decent midrange DPS ship but it lacks the something special that should set it apart from a Zealot. The tracking bonus is very nice, I have no issues with the range we're made to engage in, but the ship lacks power in its 'role'. I endorse this solution. 3x HS and the extra drone bandwidth would take it to around 500 dps at point range (just under with warriors, just over with hobgobs), which is on par with a FMP zealot. The zealot gets more range with scorch, but the phantasm gets better tracking, which is fair IMHO. The drones and fitting for neuts would definitely make the phantasm stand out against similar sized targets. Yes, you'd have to get in close for the neuts, but the combination of 600ish dps with INMF and creditable neuting power would make it pretty fearsome inside its engagement range. Neuts are a good way to balance this I think, since they sure do give an edge above similar ships. Extra EHP, speed and agility completes the package. With all of that, you could happily go with scram and web and MELT the hell out of similarly sized and EHPed targets. You sir, get a gold star. Edit - Liang posted while I was typing. Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 30/05/2010 16:40:41 I would prefer +10 m^3 drone bay and +1 low slot and +1 turret slot. -Liang Ed: What, it'd be better than a Zealot then? REALLY? OHLYSIHT! That too would work fine for me. Basically it needs more fitting and a more dps. However you go about it, thats fine by me. The extra turret is more reliable, but less flexable.
Dusica Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.30 17:53:00 - [22] Edited by: Dusica on 30/05/2010 17:56:32 Edited by: Dusica on 30/05/2010 17:54:44 Well Sansha and Blood frigates / cruisers are both inferior to navy and other pirate ships a LOT ... why i dont know... Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Considering I fly this thing more or less everyday, let me elaborate on what the solution should be. It does decent scorch damage in the point-zone of 20-25km, and has the two utility highs for whatever. However, there is no grid remaining after the required MWD/booster/heavy pulse/extender to fit anything legitimate in those two slots, no way to get even a single medium neut in there. The big problem is that it lacks the speed to remain in point range but out of web/scram range, and is outclassed in every way in this range area by the cynabal. Another issue is that IT IS MISSING A SLOT. WTF CCP. My solution: add 10m3 drone bandwidth/bay for a full set of light drones. add a lowslot (it's missing one, you know it, I know it, CCP knows it) either increase shield HP to increase survivability in the point-zone, or significantly increase speed or agility to have better control over the range in an engagement give it enough extra fitting to actually use the two high slots As it stands, it makes a decent midrange DPS ship but it lacks the something special that should set it apart from a Zealot. The tracking bonus is very nice, I have no issues with the range we're made to engage in, but the ship lacks power in its 'role'. I agree ... i would swap one high slot for one low slot anyday... need more power grid for that med neuts / nos , and sansha / blood ships are very very slow and not agile ... needs speed /agility buff i think i am fine with 3 small drone bay ... ashimmu needs mediums tho. Eternal Will.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.05.30 18:19:00 - [23] Yes, phantasm is awful ship atm.
Byzan Zwyth Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.05.30 22:24:00 - [24] yeah junk ship. option could be... +1 Low +1 turret better capacitor DPS isn't great and only 3 lows limits it's ability to fit damage mods & tracking enhancers cant active tank because of Laser cap use, cap boosters maybe but the cargo is pretty small too. cant make a respectible passive shield tank because of laser cap use.. So.. shield buffer tank was the best option I came up with ~70k EHP, but it blows the sig radius out big time :( and needed T2 extender rigs which cost too much to make it an easy option most of the time. T1 was more like 60k EHP bleh... Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.05.30 22:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Considering I fly this thing more or less everyday, let me elaborate on what the solution should be. It does decent scorch damage in the point-zone of 20-25km, and has the two utility highs for whatever. However, there is no grid remaining after the required MWD/booster/heavy pulse/extender to fit anything legitimate in those two slots, no way to get even a single medium neut in there. The big problem is that it lacks the speed to remain in point range but out of web/scram range, and is outclassed in every way in this range area by the cynabal. Another issue is that IT IS MISSING A SLOT. WTF CCP. My solution: add 10m3 drone bandwidth/bay for a full set of light drones. add a lowslot (it's missing one, you know it, I know it, CCP knows it) either increase shield HP to increase survivability in the point-zone, or significantly increase speed or agility to have better control over the range in an engagement give it enough extra fitting to actually use the two high slots As it stands, it makes a decent midrange DPS ship but it lacks the something special that should set it apart from a Zealot. The tracking bonus is very nice, I have no issues with the range we're made to engage in, but the ship lacks power in its 'role'. This makes loads of sense. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
W0wbagger	Posted - 2010.05.31 03:42:00 - [26] +1 for the lowslot and drones but the grid is fine - if you can bear to fit focused mediums (which I can) then you get 2 medium neuts and a cap booster which is nasty to BC and below if they do get near you. Still hits to 20+ with scorch with focused mediums so I reckon that's enough to not insist on Heavy pulses, especially when you factor in the bonus the tracking is amazing on focused mediums.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.06.02 08:30:00 - [27] As much as the Phantasm really needs a boost, you have to admit it looks pretty decent next to a Cerb. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Mr Blue Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.05 01:53:00 - [28] I use this fit for 0.0 ratting^^ 3 megapulse t2, 1 small nos(can go c type) 1 faction cloak named mwd, 3 large shield extenders t2, 2 deadspace amps 2 faction heat sinks , 1 power diag t2 rigs: EM/THERM/Shield pudge all t2 3 light drones t2 Anyways, for pvp I prob swapped around the Shield regen rig for a extender rig, swapped the amps for 1 invu t2 + warp disruptor t2 For more soloish action I prob swapped for warp distuptor+web
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.06.05 09:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Mr Blue Edited by: Mr Blue on 05/06/2010 02:26:28 Edited by: Mr Blue on 05/06/2010 02:24:40 I use this fit for 0.0 ratting^^ 3 megapulse t2, 1 small nos(can go c type) 1 faction cloak named mwd, 3 large shield extenders t2, 2 deadspace amps 2 faction heat sinks , 1 power diag t2 rigs: EM/THERM/Shield pudge all t2 3 light drones t2 and people say it have fitting problems
VanNostrum	Posted - 2010.06.05 10:21:00 - [30] Edited by: VanNostrum on 05/06/2010 10:22:56 Originally by: 1600 RT Originally by: Mr Blue Edited by: Mr Blue on 05/06/2010 02:26:28 Edited by: Mr Blue on 05/06/2010 02:24:40 I use this fit for 0.0 ratting^^ 3 megapulse t2, 1 small nos(can go c type) 1 faction cloak named mwd, 3 large shield extenders t2, 2 deadspace amps 2 faction heat sinks , 1 power diag t2 rigs: EM/THERM/Shield pudge all t2 3 light drones t2 and people say it have fitting problems when Cynabals don't have any problem fitting 4x 425mm Autocannon T2, fitting 3x heavy pulses on a Phantasm shouldn't be too hard. edit: you almost got me there too

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