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Tsukiko Ishida
Khar-Selim
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Posted - 2010.05.29 21:46:00 -
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I've recently taken up the task of training a second account into an Orca for lazy, speedy looting and salvaging during my IVs. With the recent adjustments to mission loot I'm concerned that such a goal for my second account would prove less than productive. Seeing as how I've not experienced a IV since patch day, can I ask for some public thoughts on salvage alts in general?
Are you still going to use your salvage alt? Is the income difference so reduced as to warrant not using a second account for salvaging (paying with ISK)?
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panda name
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.29 23:17:00 -
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your orca idea, even before the nerf to loot, was a bad idea. so now it's only just less of a bad idea than before. hope this helps!
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2010.05.29 23:32:00 -
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I have 3 accounts. I salvage with 3 specialized ships after the mission is done.
1 orca: - 3 tractors every wrecks between 40 / 65km. Tractor speed is a lot faster. - store thing when the other ships cargo is full - drop 2 pvp ships when a ninja comes ^ ^ . - OR drop 2 suicide gank destroyers to use against weak ninjas
1 Strat cruiser: - 5 tractors every wrecks between 0 / 40km. Tractor speed is as fast as marauders.
1 Destroyer: - 8 salvager II
It's quite fast and pure lol against ninjas. But i moved to another system to run L4. I'm not annoyed anymore. They miss me this little bastards.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2010.05.30 00:54:00 -
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I tend to think it'll depend on how quickly you complete missions. The longer it takes you to finish a mission, the more likely it is to be worthwhile to loot and salvage, even with the changes. Me, I never used an Orca as a loot/salvage boat; I have a Hurricane that was fitted that way. However, as my skills increased and my gear improved, my mission times dropped drastically. After a certain point I tried just running the missions and moving on, and found that I made just as much money without the loot and salvage; this is after the introduction of small/medium rigs made the salvage market tank but before the current loot change.
I still own an Orca, mind you. It's for moving the road show if I shift to a different agent, and it also makes those "A Special Delivery" storyline missions a breeze since I can move 40,000 m3 of cargo in one trip. Plus I can store enough kernite for 5 "Materials For War Preparation" in the ore bay. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Lusty Wench
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Posted - 2010.05.31 09:59:00 -
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Honestly I wouldn't bother.
3 highs is just not worth your time, god help you if you still have a couple out of range, and have to move it.
I used it a few times with an alt tractoring in the 37-50K wrecks from serpentis that are generally spread out all over creation.
A legion however can have 8 highs with a 40KM range, but it still suffers from a smallish cargo hold, from memory the max you can get is still less than 3000m3. Which would be ok for most but it's not a blanket solution. There's only a few missions that provide more then 3K m3, but for me I need a single solution to every scenario.
My standard thing now, should I actually salvage, is the Catalyst with AB and 1 Speed rig to get it just under 500ms. It only holds 900ish m3 though.
I rarely salvage these days however. It takes twice the time if not more to salvage than the mission did to complete.
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fogbird
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.02 14:57:00 -
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I advise against training the orca for that reason anymore. Before the nerf it was ok for some missions (gone berserk, attack of drones and so forth) with a lot of wrecks far spread with lots of cargo space needed so you didnĘt have to travel twice.
Now drone loot isnĘt that interesting for me anymore and the voluminous Meta 0 BS drops are seldom. ItĘs just not worth the travel time, which is quit long with an orca. ItĘs sad really, because I somehow liked looting, even if it wasnĘt the best way to make ISK even before the nerf.
Contrary to other posts, I think now marauders are actually best and beat the otherwise fantastic faction BS at least for my play style. You can tractor while you go and salvage the big stuff only.
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:07:00 -
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salvage alt is a total waste of time now unless your'e doing level 5's
pre-patch i salvaged everything in every mission, because i build alot of stuff too and i wanted the mats and mins
as of yesterday i am blitzing 4 out of 5 level 4's now. most just don't give you enough salvage or loot now to be worth bothering with. I salvaged a level 4 yesterday and got 11 mats out of it. wasn't one of the small ones either. at least half the mats are just scrap metal post-patch
so anyway, yeah, don't do it. you might be better off with a salvage tengu and have your alt contribute some dps or something. or as others have said, a marauder although the problem there is that with a NM i finish the missions faster than a dedicated 2nd person could loot and salvage them, so if you're marauding i dont' see where you'd really have the time to clean it up in the amount of time it takes you to clear it
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Amanda Eidolo
Adamantine Resolve
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Posted - 2010.06.02 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lusty Wench It takes twice the time if not more to salvage than the mission did to complete.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.06.02 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: panda name your orca idea, even before the nerf to loot, was a bad idea. so now it's only just more of a bad idea than before. hope this helps!
Fixed that for you.
To the OP: it was and still is a terrible idea. Loot / Salvage ship with 3 high slots? I am amazed you have enough isk to consider buying an orca that seems like a good idea.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.02 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Originally by: panda name your orca idea, even before the nerf to loot, was a bad idea. so now it's only just more of a bad idea than before. hope this helps!
Fixed that for you.
To the OP: it was and still is a terrible idea. Loot / Salvage ship with 3 high slots? I am amazed you have enough isk to consider buying an orca that seems like a good idea.
You didn't use the Orca to salvage you used the 70k 1000m/s tractor to make the wreck ball and the ship maintenance bay to hold your salvage ship so you didn't have to go back to swap it out. It also can carry extra ammo, drones and fittings so you don't have to return to station as often nor carry a bunch of different hardeners for different rats in your mission ship.
It also adds dps in the form of 5 medium drones as well as having a cavernous cargo capacity so one only has to take loot back to base about once a month(guess it would be even longer now).
The Orca was and still is a great mission support ship. Though admittedly it's utility is somewhat diminished for loot you can still use it to make the wreck ball for salvaging.
The trick is just not to kill things outside of 70km. Also tank it and bring it into the mission then you can be tractoring the wrecks as they are made to speed up clean up after the fight.
Yes it would be nice if it had more than 3 highs but 3 70km range 1000m/s tractors can clean up a mission space mighty quickly.
As an added bonus it's the best HI sec AFK hauler in the game thanks to the completely unscannable and unlootable corporate hanger meaning it's only real threat is from a group 15+ bored suicide gankers in B.S's who aren't patient enough to wait for a laden freighter to pop.
Oh and it can also mount 3 warfare links if you have the skills.
On top of all that I hear some people use theirs to boost mining ops.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.06.02 21:03:00 -
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Wow, you sure are being defensive, and I was not even 'talking' to you. Butthurt over a recent orca purchase maybe?
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Yes it would be nice if it had more than 3 highs but 3 70km range 1000m/s tractors can clean up a mission space mighty quickly.
As an added bonus it's the best HI sec AFK hauler in the game thanks to the completely unscannable and unlootable corporate hanger meaning it's only real threat is from a group 15+ bored suicide gankers in B.S's who aren't patient enough to wait for a laden freighter to pop.
Oh and it can also mount 3 warfare links if you have the skills.
On top of all that I hear some people use theirs to boost mining ops.
None of those things have to do with using the orca as a salvage ship.
Originally by: Skex Relbore
The Orca was and still is a great mission support ship. Though admittedly it's utility is somewhat diminished for loot you can still use it to make the wreck ball for salvaging.
The trick is just not to kill things outside of 70km. Also tank it and bring it into the mission then you can be tractoring the wrecks as they are made to speed up clean up after the fight.
Much like mining with a hulk into an unpiloted orca doing this will get one of the ships floating around unpiloted (locked or not) stolen eventually. And you can't fit a BS in an orca, so either your orca or mission ship will be unpiloted.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.02 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: GavinCapacitor Wow, you sure are being defensive, and I was not even 'talking' to you. Butthurt over a recent orca purchase maybe?
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Yes it would be nice if it had more than 3 highs but 3 70km range 1000m/s tractors can clean up a mission space mighty quickly.
As an added bonus it's the best HI sec AFK hauler in the game thanks to the completely unscannable and unlootable corporate hanger meaning it's only real threat is from a group 15+ bored suicide gankers in B.S's who aren't patient enough to wait for a laden freighter to pop.
Oh and it can also mount 3 warfare links if you have the skills.
On top of all that I hear some people use theirs to boost mining ops.
None of those things have to do with using the orca as a salvage ship.
Originally by: Skex Relbore
The Orca was and still is a great mission support ship. Though admittedly it's utility is somewhat diminished for loot you can still use it to make the wreck ball for salvaging.
The trick is just not to kill things outside of 70km. Also tank it and bring it into the mission then you can be tractoring the wrecks as they are made to speed up clean up after the fight.
Much like mining with a hulk into an unpiloted orca doing this will get one of the ships floating around unpiloted (locked or not) stolen eventually. And you can't fit a BS in an orca, so either your orca or mission ship will be unpiloted.
Having an alt solves this problem. I forgot to mention that you are in fact reading something that is called a signature. |
GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Unknown
Having an alt solves this problem.
Assuming you are using a BS for a mission, no it doesn't...
Originally by: GavinCapacitor And you can't fit a BS in an orca, so either your orca or mission ship will be unpiloted.
Reading comprehension ftw!
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.03 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: GavinCapacitor Wow, you sure are being defensive, and I was not even 'talking' to you. Butthurt over a recent orca purchase maybe?
Pointing out that you give bad advise != butthurt. In fact my orca has been worth every isk it cost me first as a mission support ship and now as an afk hauler.
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
Yes it would be nice if it had more than 3 highs but 3 70km range 1000m/s tractors can clean up a mission space mighty quickly.
As an added bonus it's the best HI sec AFK hauler in the game thanks to the completely unscannable and unlootable corporate hanger meaning it's only real threat is from a group 15+ bored suicide gankers in B.S's who aren't patient enough to wait for a laden freighter to pop.
Oh and it can also mount 3 warfare links if you have the skills.
On top of all that I hear some people use theirs to boost mining ops.
None of those things have to do with using the orca as a salvage ship.
I didn't read his post as requiring that the orca pilot be the salvager. I'm pointing out that the Orca has a lot of utility.
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
The Orca was and still is a great mission support ship. Though admittedly it's utility is somewhat diminished for loot you can still use it to make the wreck ball for salvaging.
The trick is just not to kill things outside of 70km. Also tank it and bring it into the mission then you can be tractoring the wrecks as they are made to speed up clean up after the fight.
Much like mining with a hulk into an unpiloted orca doing this will get one of the ships floating around unpiloted (locked or not) stolen eventually. And you can't fit a BS in an orca, so either your orca or mission ship will be unpiloted.
You can fit a HAC or Strat Cruiser though. Plus you can always use the ship maint bay to stick salvagers on your BS if that's what your doing. Or you can do what I do and have a 3rd character in a BC who has salvaging 5 trained and can swap into a salvage destroyer.
With that set up I could clear and loot all of worlds collide in less than an hour (most of which was spent slow boating to the gates).
Just because you lack imagination doesn't mean everyone does.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.06.04 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
Pointing out that you give bad advise != butthurt. In fact my orca has been worth every isk it cost me first as a mission support ship and now as an afk hauler.
Thats very nice for you, but you recouped your cost before the patch, and the OP is asking now with the change is it worth it. The OP is also not asking about hauling anything.
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Originally by: Skex Relbore
~things~
None of those things have to do with using the orca as a salvage ship.
I didn't read his post as requiring that the orca pilot be the salvager. I'm pointing out that the Orca has a lot of utility.
Well shucks, he didn't say explicitly "teh orca will be the salvager!". He did however say "training a second account into an Orca" and "using a second account for salvaging" so by the transitive property of herp derp he want to use the orca for salvaging.
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Originally by: Skex Relbore
~things~
Much like mining with a hulk into an unpiloted orca doing this will get one of the ships floating around unpiloted (locked or not) stolen eventually. And you can't fit a BS in an orca, so either your orca or mission ship will be unpiloted.
You can fit a HAC or Strat Cruiser though. Plus you can always use the ship maint bay to stick salvagers on your BS if that's what your doing. Or you can do what I do and have a 3rd character in a BC who has salvaging 5 trained and can swap into a salvage destroyer.
Maybe, but at the point where you are looking to use a 300m or so ship to salvage things, one assumes that the ship you running missions in is pretty expensive and you have good skills, ie a marauder. Anything else and an alt would be better spent on a domi with sentries and either guns or salvage gear.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.06.05 00:32:00 -
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I did this for quite some time. The orca has a decent tank, and if your main is killing fast enough you can bring the orca in while you mission. The 70km tractor range is awesome, and sooo much room. I would keep a salvage cane in the ship bay with 8 T2 salvagers and be able to salvage the whole lootball in less than 2 minutes easy.
I finally stopped when the alt had enough standings from sharing to run his own L4s. 2 L4s is a lot more profitable then L4+ loot/salvage.
Honestly, it probably isnt' worth it now. Yes, you would still make some money, but you would have to sort through a lot of crap. Better to make an alt that adds more dps to your mission and share standings until he can get his own L4s.
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