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T3TSUO
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Posted - 2010.05.31 11:08:00 -
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Bought a Raven about 2 years ago but quit shortly after due to starting a family.
Now I have some time again to play EVE I'm wondering if this ship still cuts it and were to go, what to train for after this.
With my current setup I'm soloing high rated lvl 3 no problem but it's a chore. I've not attempted solo lvl 4's which was possible last time I played.
Any help or advice is appreciated.
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.05.31 11:14:00 -
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A Dreadnaught is the next logical step. The only issue is you'll have to go to lowsec to pick it up, because they cant be sold in highsec stations. But it should be easy enough to get back if you buy it on a border system.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 11:39:00 -
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Depends on your current skills, whether you mission most times, where you do your missions and what's your future goal.
Generic reply is a std Raven will do L4 well enough if you fit it right.
Typical natural upgrade paths for mission Raven is Scorpion Navy Issue (CNS) > CNR > Golem. I'd do Raven > CNR though. The CNS is tougher than the std Raven, but more or less the same dps. Golem use is debatable due to high skill requirement for marauder and torp in order to maximize the advantage, ECM weakness if you're running Guristas missions and the Tyrannis loot nerf.
Best bang for the buck atm (if you've specialized in missiles) is the CNR. |
raukosen
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Posted - 2010.05.31 12:08:00 -
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NPC jamming doesn't take sensor strength into account so Golems aren't more susceptible to it than any other ship
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.05.31 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 31/05/2010 12:40:10
 Originally by: omgfreemoniez
A Dreadnaught is the next logical step. The only issue is you'll have to go to lowsec to pick it up, because they cant be sold in highsec stations. But it should be easy enough to get back if you buy it on a border system.
Try not to listen to advice like this, some people don't have a clue 
Here Is Some Good Advice:
For starters, Cruise missiles do not do well VS smaller ships. For this reason a Drake is the way to go for Lv 3 missions. You will run them faster and on top of that a Drake has a better tank. A Drake can easily tank even the hardest of LV 4 missions with relative ease.
For Lv 4 mission running, a highly skilled Caldari Navy Raven will plow through them missions so quickly you will be scoring 7-10M ISK bounty hits every 15 min (depending on whether or not you salvage said missions]
This is the typical way that rich mission runners have been doing it for along time.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: raukosen
NPC jamming doesn't take sensor strength into account so Golems aren't more susceptible to it than any other ship
Read up on http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1277798
The gist of it, the frequency of NPC jams increases as your ship's sensor str decreases.
There are several ways to mitigate jamming frequency to the minimum, the best compromise is to identify and quickly kill known jammers. Fitting ECCMs will lower the jam frequency, but it's a med-slot sacrifice that's more ideally suited to armor tanks than shield tanks. |
Ghaylenty
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Posted - 2010.05.31 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke
Originally by: raukosen
NPC jamming doesn't take sensor strength into account so Golems aren't more susceptible to it than any other ship
Read up on http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1277798
The gist of it, the frequency of NPC jams increases as your ship's sensor str decreases.
There are several ways to mitigate jamming frequency to the minimum, the best compromise is to identify and quickly kill known jammers. Fitting ECCMs will lower the jam frequency, but it's a med-slot sacrifice that's more ideally suited to armor tanks than shield tanks.
one of the least known facts in all of eve and certainly on the forums, 90% of people think npc ECM is completely unmitigated.
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T3TSUO
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:14:00 -
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I've no idea what happened to this thread lol or what you guys are on about but it didn't help my original inquiry in the slightest.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:22:00 -
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Move to level 4s. A raven isn't an optimal ship for level 3s (that would be a Drake). The CNR is a no-brainer upgrade - it's a raven with a bigger hp buffer and an extra 17% missile DPS.
These days the "cookie cutter" LiangFitÖ Raven is as follows:
6x Cruiser launchers (best you can use/afford)
XL booster (meta 4/t2), Large Electrochem cap booster, meta 4 Target painter, 3x rat specific hardeners T2 or better
4x T2 ballistic controls, T2 damage Control
3x Rigor rigs
5x Hammerhead II
5x Hobgoblin II
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:23:00 -
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Regular Raven can do level 4's just fine. If you're into missionrunning, next step would be Raven Navy Issue (CNR) for max damage or a Golem for salvaging during the mission (only if you have Caldari Battleship V).
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.31 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: T3TSUO
I've no idea what happened to this thread lol or what you guys are on about but it didn't help my original inquiry in the slightest.
Yes a Raven still cuts it. You have to change the fit somewhat to make it effective since QR, but there's plenty of threads around about Raven fittings.
What to get after a Raven? well almost anything is going to be faster, but either get a CNR, or crosstrain Gallente and aim at a Rattlesnake, or crosstrain Amarr & aim at a Nightmare, or train Minmatar which have a lot of the same advantages as Caldari do for missioning, just considerably more dps.
Or just plod along in your Raven & blow your cash on stacks of t1 ships to waste away in lowsec.
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T3TSUO
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: T3TSUO on 31/05/2010 20:03:56
Originally by: Malcanis
Move to level 4s. A raven isn't an optimal ship for level 3s (that would be a Drake). The CNR is a no-brainer upgrade - it's a raven with a bigger hp buffer and an extra 17% missile DPS.
These days the "cookie cutter" LiangFitÖ Raven is as follows:
6x Cruiser launchers (best you can use/afford)
XL booster (meta 4/t2), Large Electrochem cap booster, meta 4 Target painter, 3x rat specific hardeners T2 or better
4x T2 ballistic controls, T2 damage Control
3x Rigor rigs
5x Hammerhead II
5x Hobgoblin II
Thanks. Pretty much running what you've quoted here. Couple of things are new to me like the tier 2 drones and the Rig upgrades.
The ships itself I run T2 Arbs with T2 everything else. I do have good skills since I'd played Eve since launch.
Navy issue ships were a myth when I left. I've been hearing rumblings about those over the last few days of playing but cannot seem to see were to buy them. They are not listed in the market.
I'm starting to find mission rat running a trifle dull though. Do the explorer class agents still exist?
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Linda Flamewalker
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Posted - 2010.05.31 20:05:00 -
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Navy ships comes from the LP stores and are sold on Contracts only. Do check them to make sure it isnt the old pretending to be a navy raven when it is a regular one that is oh so popular.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.06.01 01:59:00 -
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After beefing up shield tank skills, missile skills and speed skills, Raven does L4 missions very well.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.01 04:03:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 01/06/2010 04:03:59
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Ninja loot nerf.
Corrected for truth.
And BTW OP GZ on the family.
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