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I highly believe that Pandemic Legion didn't ask CCP for help. Instead CCP used PL as an ideal outside alliance to call this "BUG" a glitch or unfair tactics. It's just another excuse for CCP to side with the Southern Coalition to release the bubbles in H-W in prevents of the Southern Coalition Super-Cap and Titans to jump out safely. Come on bubble tactics have been used in game for this long and CCP finally decides that's illegal? Give me a break... A weak after 5 SC entities gets appointed to CSM this change happens?

What leads me to believe this? There are other countless events that led up to SC being favored in many active wars. Please if someone from CCP investigates these occurrences... things just don't add up.

Examples of SC/CCP vs. Anyone "Cheat Theory"

1. Before Atlas and friends took campaign in Geminate last November. The day before the new build or after doesn't matter... Majesta Empire alliance bill wasn't paid due to some "random" no bill payment which lead into hard access for NC forces go through Vale in order to help aid WI in Geminate. For Thirty Days NC forces had to take normal gates not jump gates to get into Geminate! The lack of Jump Bridges which lead into SMALLER and LATE NC forces coming to help because Vale was the cut-off point.

2. When we talk about nodes crashing... BWF or H-W between systems when SC randomly stocks a ton of peeps into one system during EURO TZ everything is fine and dandy with like 1000 pilots in system mostly reds. But when US NC TZ players retake H-W or BWF with less than half the pilots like 400-500 nodes start to crash due to some random server mishaps?!? Also what lead me to believe it more was when the NC started to cage the red pos's in H-W nodes crashed leading into an opportunity for the reds to log on and get some Super-Caps and Titans out of system. So what happened after that? More NC logged on! With less SC during that time frame... of course the node crashes again giving the SC forces time to properly escape during and after downtime. Giving the SC EURO Heavy TZ some chance to regroup and log then get peeps out of system. This points me to believe why that same day when NC forces retook H-W after DTà FIVE!!! -A- Super Caps logs on but little do they know that time frame giving was not long enough so NC forces in time tackles all of em.

3. Last but not least!!! Of course this new patch :) What I don't get in previous accounts of new EVE builds it's always on time or never delayed when being launched. It's like the new release of a new iPhone!!! What company would want to lose ISKIES when a special marketing date is set for its new release? Hmmm... I guess CCP will give an extension to the SC. The DAY AFTER H-W was retaken from NC forces CCP announced that this new build tyrannies will be post-pone for another two or something weeks. The reason why this favors the SC cause with the new patch nobody could log off in dead space which means the moment a SUPER-CAP or Titan logs on its automatically in the trap bubbles in H-W!!! Wow who would have guessed that!?!? Well guess what that time frame is still not long enough and H-W is still covered NC. What next???

4. Lets make bubbles illegal after having them for like how many years?!?! Hooray another way to let the SC escape or be favored :) I bet theyÆll give this illegal bubble theory a couple weeks then later on say it was a mistake weÆll let it come back after everyone complains about it being fine :)

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The bottom line is that all these events did happen and its' a coincidence it happens to favor certain entities in game like SC. When one bad decision from a group of SC leaders decides to log 2/3 of the entire SC army in H-W of course petitions will start to pile up and all SirMolle and his group of cheaters will have to do is clock in for work @ CCP headquarters and make some changes.

Last noteà. When BoB/IT was caught with the moon scam only a handful of accounts were banned. Why not the entire alliance? When Goldman Saks was caught not only certain people got charge but the entire company was fined. Being CEO/CFO of a large alliance and you don't notice a big increase in ISK donations? How could you not notice a large sum of ISKIES flowing into your alliance wallet and not know it?!?! FFS it was going on for months doubling the output of all moons! I bet to make things right or to make it seem legità CCP only bans the ôAltö accounts not mains of these accused. Of course some of the higher ups in this fiasco got away clean.

Oh and about CSM this yearà Five SC entities hold the entire council? Who counts these votes? SirMolle and his minions? IS there even a fair way on who tallies up the votes?

If there is somebody in CCP who is really taking this thread seriously please investigate this issue. I think everyone would really love fair game play.

SC is pure Darkness and NC is the Light,
German Giggles

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Originally by: Dr Ngo

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Edited by: Dr Ngo on 31/05/2010 12:53:36
I recently recieved a request to post this from a friend. Anyone who knows me knows where I stand on the whole nc/sc debate so I'm just not going to voice my own opinion on this one. Enjoy.

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I highly believe that Pandemic Legion didn't ask CCP for help. Instead CCP used PL as an ideal outside alliance to call this "BUG" a glitch or unfair tactics. It's just another excuse for CCP to side with the Southern Coalition to release the bubbles in H-W in prevents of the Southern Coalition Super-Cap and Titans to jump out safely. Come on bubble tactics have been used in game for this long and CCP finally decides that's illegal? Give me a break... A weak after 5 SC entities gets appointed to CSM this change happens?

What leads me to believe this? There are other countless events that led up to SC being favored in many active wars. Please if someone from CCP investigates these occurrences... things just don't add up.

Examples of SC/CCP vs. Anyone "Cheat Theory"

1. Before Atlas and friends took campaign in Geminate last November. The day before the new build or after doesn't matter... Majesta Empire alliance bill wasn't paid due to some "random" no bill payment which lead into hard access for NC forces go through Vale in order to help aid WI in Geminate. For Thirty Days NC forces had to take normal gates not jump gates to get into Geminate! The lack of Jump Bridges which lead into SMALLER and LATE NC forces coming to help because Vale was the cut-off point.

2. When we talk about nodes crashing... BWF or H-W between systems when SC randomly stocks a ton of peeps into one system during EURO TZ everything is fine and dandy with like 1000 pilots in system mostly reds. But when US NC TZ players retake H-W or BWF with less than half the pilots like 400-500 nodes start to crash due to some random server mishaps?!? Also what lead me to believe it more was when the NC started to cage the red pos's in H-W nodes crashed leading into an opportunity for the reds to log on and get some Super-Caps and Titans out of system. So what happened after that? More NC logged on! With less SC during that time frame... of course the node crashes again giving the SC forces time to properly escape during and after downtime. Giving the SC EURO Heavy TZ some chance to regroup and log then get peeps out of system. This points me to believe why that same day when NC forces retook H-W after DTà FIVE!!! -A- Super Caps logs on but little do they know that time frame giving was not long enough so NC forces in time tackles all of em.

3. Last but not least!!! Of course this new patch :) What I don't get in previous accounts of new EVE builds it's always on time or never delayed when being launched. It's like the new release of a new iPhone!!! What company would want to lose ISKIES when a special marketing date is set for its new release? Hmmm... I guess CCP will give an extension to the SC. The DAY AFTER H-W was retaken from NC forces CCP announced that this new build tyrannies will be post-pone for another two or something weeks. The reason why this favors the SC cause with the new patch nobody could log off in dead space which means the moment a SUPER-CAP or Titan logs on its automatically in the trap bubbles in H-W!!! Wow who would have guessed that!?!? Well guess what that time frame is still not long enough and H-W is still covered NC. What next???

4. Lets make bubbles illegal after having them for like how many years?!?! Hooray another way to let the SC escape or be favored :) I bet theyÆll give this illegal bubble theory a couple weeks then later on say it was a mistake weÆll let it come back after everyone complains about it being fine :)

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Originally by: CCP Manifest

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Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.

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Originally by: Dr Ngo

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The bottom line is that all these events did happen and its' a coincidence it happens to favor certain entities in game like SC. When one bad decision from a group of SC leaders decides to log 2/3 of the entire SC army in H-W of course petitions will start to pile up and all SirMolle and his group of cheaters will have to do is clock in for work @ CCP headquarters and make some changes.

SC is pure Darkness and NC is the Light,
German Giggles

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Originally by: gala gidas

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Interesting post there
1)If the defenders in Geminate couldnt reach it during the 1 month period that the campaign lasted,then there is something wrong with them.Also claiming that the bill wasnt paid due to some "random" payment is kind light thinking because its not CCP to blame but propably some director.Judging from the ten page tear threads each time a fight was lost by NC in Geminate(including various cheater accusations).I still cant understand why people cant accept that a fight was lost in Geminate and say "gg"
2)Although i wasnt in H-W you cant expect the node to crash because attackers jumped in the system.Especially if the first days of the attack the field was easily held by the attackers and not many fights happened.I am pretty sure i read 4-5 threads in here that the "few" NC pilots that took back the control in there along with the attackers side reached to more than 1200 players at times.
3)this point is just delusional
4)about bubbles..If i understand correctly PL went emo because some gate had numerous bubbles to keep it bubbled for a long period of time in case someone jumped in.I am not a PC expert but i somehow feel that 200 ships with 5 drones deployed from each ship would have created more lag.Either way a call was made an dthe bubbles were removed.In H-W though you dont need alot of bubbles to cage the POSs.1 maybe 2 large ones will do the job.You just need some guys(with low IQ)to camp them 23/7 for an unlimited period of time adding a great gaming experience of watching local and probing stuff.

This guy is seems like an expert in theories.Please ask him to post a thread about how Kenendy was actually killed so people can know what actually happened

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Originally by: mamolian

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Brb, after reading this thread I suddenly feel the urge to shove a grapefruit up my ass.

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