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suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 02:52:00 - [1] Im trying to find good fits for my Gila. I need help. Please dont suggest expensive faction fits. I just want good viable T1 fits. It doesnt have to be fast, it just has to survive well enough to be able to solo most L4 missions.
Klazktrknuitzksalikamono	Posted - 2010.06.02 04:32:00 - [2] Use an Ishtar for missions, It's less expensive and you can passive-shield it for ridiculous Kin/Therm resists.
GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.02 08:42:00 - [3] Originally by: suckitdonks Im trying to find good fits for my Gila. I need help. Please dont suggest expensive faction fits. I just want good viable T1 fits. It doesnt have to be fast, it just has to survive well enough to be able to solo most L4 missions. [Gila, Gila passive] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Drone Navigation Computer I 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile [empty high slot] Drone Link Augmentor I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin I x5 Hammerhead I x5 Ogre I x5 369 uniform defence and 360 DPS with Ogres. Run the AB all the time, then you'll be fine. The launchers is for against those webber and scrambler frigs, so you don't have to call your ogres back. But of course the more modules you can swap to T2 the better. Makes a big difference. [Gila, Gila passive] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II 10MN Afterburner II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Drone Navigation Computer I Assault Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile [empty high slot] Drone Link Augmentor I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Ogre II x5 427 uniform defence and 475 DPS with Ogre IIs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.02 09:12:00 - [4] Edited by: Tippia on 02/06/2010 09:11:59 Originally by: suckitdonks Please dont suggest expensive faction fits. I just want good viable T1 fits. The problem is, the Gila kind of deserves T2 or better to really shineà If you want to (or have to) scrape by on T1, I'd suggest the Drake. edit: silly word filter ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2010.06.02 09:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 02/06/2010 09:11:59 Originally by: suckitdonks Please dont suggest expensive faction fits. I just want good viable T1 fits. The problem is, the Gila kind of deserves T2 or better to really shineà If you want to (or have to) scrape by on T1, I'd suggest the Drake. qft Without T2 resistance mods you really shouldn't use one. And without t2 drones and assuming you lack the cruiser skills anyway, why bother? Just drake it All the above is prolly crap Drone Guide
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 12:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Keitaro Baka Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 02/06/2010 09:11:59 Originally by: suckitdonks Please dont suggest expensive faction fits. I just want good viable T1 fits. The problem is, the Gila kind of deserves T2 or better to really shineà If you want to (or have to) scrape by on T1, I'd suggest the Drake. qft Without T2 resistance mods you really shouldn't use one. And without t2 drones and assuming you lack the cruiser skills anyway, why bother? Just drake it Who said I didnt have T2 drones? And I dont remember asking people about my skills. I just want T1 fittings lol
Kazuros	Posted - 2010.06.02 14:21:00 - [7] Why? Are you cheap? or just stupid? both?
DTson Gauur Caldari Underground-Operators	Posted - 2010.06.02 14:44:00 - [8] Originally by: suckitdonks Im trying to find good fits for my Gila. I need help. Please dont suggest expensive faction fits. I just want good viable T1 fits. It doesnt have to be fast, it just has to survive well enough to be able to solo most L4 missions. As others have already pointed out... You really are out of your mind trying to solo Lvl4 missions in T1 fit Gila. Either train up to use T2 mods or go faction.
Xai Rayna	Posted - 2010.06.02 16:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Kazuros Why? Are you cheap? or just stupid? both? If he's cheap, I doubt he could afford a Gila in the first place. I'm leaning towards the latter.
Backho	Posted - 2010.06.02 17:17:00 - [10] Melt your gila in the market and buy some decent lv 4 mission running battleship. Do you know what gila means in a country? it means crazy. Yes OP. ur crazy. You NEED T2 to have enough tank on the gila. Even then, you will severely gimp your weapon systems with almost no drone modules or missile support modules. Its just not designed to do it. really

suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 17:43:00 - [11] nice to know you're all a bunch of ****s. im not stupid nor am i cheap. I only have about 220mil since I am working on a second character for the time being and dont have the money to transfer it to a 2nd account so both can train at the same time. obviously i will eventually faction fit the gila but for now i want to find a decent T1 fitting that will give me atleast 50k ehp while not having the cap run out in 2 minutes or less. L3 missions dont give enough to faction fit the ship right now or it would be.
Kazuros	Posted - 2010.06.02 17:58:00 - [12] [Gila, New Setup 1] Multiphasic Bolt Array I Multiphasic Bolt Array I Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Photon Scattering Field I Photon Scattering Field I Explosion Dampening Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I There, 60k ehp with my skills, probably ~50 with yours. Learn to EFT, its the bread and butter of trolls.
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 18:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Kazuros [Gila, New Setup 1] Multiphasic Bolt Array I Multiphasic Bolt Array I Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Photon Scattering Field I Photon Scattering Field I Explosion Dampening Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I There, 60k ehp with my skills, probably ~50 with yours. Learn to EFT, its the bread and butter of trolls. I have been using both EFT and pyfa.. but being that I am still relatively new to both and to EVE I am still not proficient in fittings yet.
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Kazuros [Gila, New Setup 1] Multiphasic Bolt Array I Multiphasic Bolt Array I Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Photon Scattering Field I Photon Scattering Field I Explosion Dampening Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I There, 60k ehp with my skills, probably ~50 with yours. Learn to EFT, its the bread and butter of trolls. I took what you have here and slightly modified it and with my skills the EHP is 57k with a shield recharge rate of 304.1 hp/s and while it is an omni tank.. the cap lasts just under 6 minutes with everything on [Gila, modified] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Drones: 5x T2 hob's 5x T2 Hammerhead 5x Ogre I 5x Wasp I would this work for L4 missions?
Mike712	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:16:00 - [15] Edited by: Mike712 on 02/06/2010 19:17:51 Some rather mediocre fits so far, if you're going to use a gila here's how you should fit it: [Gila, Gila: PvE L4] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I 10MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Domination Heat Dissipation Amplifier 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
Xai Rayna	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:18:00 - [16] Tell me what system you're going to be in, so I can come suicide gank your lol-fit gila.
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:22:00 - [17] Originally by: Mike712 Edited by: Mike712 on 02/06/2010 19:17:51 Some rather mediocre fits so far, if you're going to use a gila here's how you should fit it: [Gila, Gila: PvE L4] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I 10MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Domination Heat Dissipation Amplifier 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 what part of T1 fit do you not get? or do you just not know how to read
Xai Rayna	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:45:00 - [18] Originally by: suckitdonks Originally by: Mike712 Edited by: Mike712 on 02/06/2010 19:17:51 Some rather mediocre fits so far, if you're going to use a gila here's how you should fit it: [Gila, Gila: PvE L4] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I 10MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Domination Heat Dissipation Amplifier 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 what part of T1 fit do you not get? or do you just not know how to read Emphasis is mine. I'd argue that you're the one that doesn't know how to read. Majority of the posters in this thread are highly recommending that you should only fly a Gila with T2 or better...
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:57:00 - [19] Originally by: suckitdonks nice to know you're all a bunch of ****s. im not stupid nor am i cheap. I only have about 220mil since I am working on a second character for the time being and dont have the money to transfer it to a 2nd account so both can train at the same time. obviously i will eventually faction fit the gila but for now i want to find a decent T1 fitting that will give me atleast 50k ehp while not having the cap run out in 2 minutes or less. L3 missions dont give enough to faction fit the ship right now or it would be. maybe you need to reREAD this.. I am basically going to be restarting with the new character.. I am using http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=242786 to train up the learning skills and then going from there. I will eventually put T2 on it, however until that plan is through training(which I am about 1/3rd through it being that Cybernetics IV is starting training as I type this) I will be using this character to do missions to build up isk so that I can fit it better eventually.. SO ALL I WANT IS A T1 FIT THAT WILL LET ME SOLO L FRIGGIN 4'S UNTIL THEN.. IS THAT SO HARD TO ASK!!!
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Xai Rayna Originally by: suckitdonks Originally by: Mike712 Edited by: Mike712 on 02/06/2010 19:17:51 Some rather mediocre fits so far, if you're going to use a gila here's how you should fit it: [Gila, Gila: PvE L4] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I 10MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Domination Heat Dissipation Amplifier 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 what part of T1 fit do you not get? or do you just not know how to read Emphasis is mine. I'd argue that you're the one that doesn't know how to read. Majority of the posters in this thread are highly recommending that you should only fly a Gila with T2 or better... And it's his perorgative to ignore them, frankly. It's his thread. He didn't ask for T2 fits, nor faction fits, nor indeed on whether his Gila would be so much better with these expensive modules. No, he asked for T1 fits, and he got nothing but abuse for his troubles. ~Pompous --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻

Indeterminacy THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:04:00 - [21] Captain P. is right lotta dudes waving the ole ePeen around but...tbh, with a name like suckitdonks I think raging more on the forums will help you get what you want.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:09:00 - [22] Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 02/06/2010 20:10:58 Originally by: Mike712 Edited by: Mike712 on 02/06/2010 19:17:51 Some rather mediocre fits so far, if you're going to use a gila here's how you should fit it: [Gila, Gila: PvE L4] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I 10MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Domination Heat Dissipation Amplifier 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 I endorse this fit. Any Gila that isn't built around at least one omni and an AB is wrong. I'd personally drop to T1 rigs and swap an SPR for a PDU, but that's more a matter of taste. Originally by: suckitdonks what part of T1 fit do you not get? or do you just not know how to read No, you're being told how to fit a Gila well; you're just not understanding the basic message. Which since you've been so gracious for the help you've received I'll go ahead and make explicit. There are no good T1 fits for the Gila. It's a highly CPU limited drone boat that absolutely has to shield tank but only has four mids to do so. If you absolutely had to I suppose you could do something really creative like, say, this: [Gila, Gila: PvE L4 T1] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 (Edit: you'd have to swap another SPR for a PDU to get it cap stable. You know, if that's your thing.) Fit should run about 30 mil. Although to be perfectly honest, I'd strongly consider selling the Gila rather than putting a T1 fit on it -- and that's just dead honest advice. Not meant to insult your skills or your wallet or whatever; it's just the same advice I'd give anyone trying to fit a Gila with T1 gear. Frankly I'd be amazed if the T1 fit I just gave you has enough CPU for your character to fit it; the mods are all the lowest possible non-faction CPU, I have perfect fitting skills, and I only have 10 CPU to spare. So. Shrug. Take it or leave it. You've been given good advice in the thread.
Zeede Qinhua	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:26:00 - [23] Edited by: Zeede Qinhua on 02/06/2010 20:27:41 suckitdonks: I got the same attitude when I wanted people to critique my Typhoon fitting for level 4 missions. At the time I had less than 5 million SP, and people were telling me I was a fool for trying to fly one w/ so few SP. Well, it wasn't optimal, but I flew it carefully and I was okay. It really shines now (although now I fly a different ship for missioning, but it was adequate before). That being said, a cruiser has no place in level 4 missions, IMO. Even a well-fit battlecruiser is less-than-optimal. You may complete missions, but they may take you two or three times as long in a battleship, and you run a lot higher risk of losing your ship. There are some fits here, just adjust anything faction or tech2 down to a meta 3 or 4 tech1 module. As people have forewarned you, the fit is less-than-optimal. There are some ships that require some "high-octane" modules, and this is one of them. Zeede P.S. Even if you do decide to go all t1 with this ship, PLEASE fit t2 drones. Especially sentries. In a cruiser you're fast enough to drop them and then fly around (to reduce damage taken) and back to scoop them up when you're done. Edited for punctuation and spelling.
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Indeterminacy Captain P. is right lotta dudes waving the ole ePeen around but...tbh, with a name like suckitdonks I think raging more on the forums will help you get what you want. I play poker, and if you do too then you know what it means.. If not, then lets just say never make a name for a game after taking several BAD beats lol.. which is another reason for the new character.. But I'm not going to just transfer all my stuff to the new character and delete this one until after the new one is ready. So until then I am missioning with this one. tbh.. I really dont care what you all think of me or my name. Obviously it's very hard for all of you to read and think at the same time. If I had the money I would go faction fit and if my skills were up there I would have T2.. but considering I stopped training so I could make a new character I wont have T2 for awhile.. so meta 4's will have to do. Now I know why so many people like to PVP.. so they can blowup a-holes like you trolls.
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Zeede Qinhua Edited by: Zeede Qinhua on 02/06/2010 20:27:41 suckitdonks: I got the same attitude when I wanted people to critique my Typhoon fitting for level 4 missions. At the time I had less than 5 million SP, and people were telling me I was a fool for trying to fly one w/ so few SP. Well, it wasn't optimal, but I flew it carefully and I was okay. It really shines now (although now I fly a different ship for missioning, but it was adequate before). That being said, a cruiser has no place in level 4 missions, IMO. Even a well-fit battlecruiser is less-than-optimal. You may complete missions, but they may take you two or three times as long in a battleship, and you run a lot higher risk of losing your ship. There are some fits here, just adjust anything faction or tech2 down to a meta 3 or 4 tech1 module. As people have forewarned you, the fit is less-than-optimal. There are some ships that require some "high-octane" modules, and this is one of them. Zeede P.S. Even if you do decide to go all t1 with this ship, PLEASE fit t2 drones. Especially sentries. In a cruiser you're fast enough to drop them and then fly around (to reduce damage taken) and back to scoop them up when you're done. Edited for punctuation and spelling. I dont have sentries.. and as far as how long the missions take to complete.. for now im not really caring about isk/hr im just looking to have fun.. when I get my stuff to where i want it and start missioning to pay for plex's THEN i'll worry about isk/hr :P but like I said.. i just play for fun.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:57:00 - [26] Originally by: suckitdonks I dont have sentries.. A) This just reaffirms my confidence that you should sell the Gila. I know, I know, it's a cool ship and all that. But, much like the Ishtar, it only really works well with sentries. At least for L4s; for L3s it does fine. B) If you do stick with it without sentries you're free to drop the omni and the SDA. I'd suggest putting in another either another LSE or (my preference) a drone navigation computer plus another purger, which actually does help alot with CPU issues. So maybe even tweak the highs a bit (you just don't want your heavy drones 85 km away when they suddenly draw agro). Something like this: [Gila, Gila: PvE L4 T1 no sentries] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Drone Navigation Computer I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Like I said, definitely not something I would do. But hey, it's a game and you can play it however you want, right?
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 21:14:00 - [27] Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: suckitdonks I dont have sentries.. A) This just reaffirms my confidence that you should sell the Gila. I know, I know, it's a cool ship and all that. But, much like the Ishtar, it only really works well with sentries. At least for L4s; for L3s it does fine. I just love how well you people read.. I will eventually have sentries.. Just because I dont have them right now doesnt mean I wont get them.. I have no intention of selling the Gila. You people have been an ENORMOUS amount of help.. NOT! All you people that dont know how to read should go play WoW with the other little kiddies.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.02 21:53:00 - [28] Originally by: suckitdonks I just love how well you people read.. I will eventually have sentries.. Just because I dont have them right now doesnt mean I wont get them.. I have no intention of selling the Gila. You people have been an ENORMOUS amount of help.. NOT! All you people that dont know how to read should go play WoW with the other little kiddies. Dude, I acknowledged my opinion, stated that you probably wouldn't agree, and then gave you a fit that met your specs to the t. Being abusive to people who are trying to help will not get you additional help. But I'm in a very generous mood today, so I'll go ahead and break down the fit I posted and the choices I made. Quote: [Gila, Gila: PvE L4 T1 no sentries] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I SPRs are the classic passive tanking low slot modules, but I've long thought that they're overrated. Sure, they give you great shield recharge but they're absolute hell on your cap. PDUs on the other hand increase both shield recharge and cap recharge. On a ship that uses speed to help mitigate damage -- like the Gila -- a mix of the two can really help you keep running your AB and end up mitigating more damage than a straight SPR setup. Quote: Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners You could swap this for a T1 if you'd like, but the Y-S8 will do more for you in the long run. And it's just not that spendy. Quote: Drone Navigation Computer I Assuming that you're going to be using Gallente drones, well, they're slow. Sometimes painfully slow. A DNC will help fix that. 1312.5 m/s on Ogres over 1050 m/s is a huge difference. Quote: Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I That's the rest of your tank. It's obviously for Gurista/Serpentis missions, but it isn't that bad. Increasing your total shield amount will make sure that the recharge is faster. Increasing your resists will make sure you take less damage. Quote: 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Might as well apply more damage, right? Thunderbolts are actually a very poor choice if you are in fact facing Guristas/Serpentis, so swap them out for something more relevant. Quote: Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Extra income. Why not? Quote: Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I If you were using sentries, one SDA would be very good to have. But since you're not, you might as well maximize your tank. Purgers are awesome for that. The downside being that they inflate your sig so much that it cuts in to your whole tanking-by-moving-fast thing. Still, likely worth the tradeoff. Quote: Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Ok, so drones to taste. But if you want to maximize damage against pretty much everything, this is the right mix. The drones are T2 because T2 drones are massively better than T1 drones. Swapping to Caldari drones is actually an interesting idea that I've toyed with, especially with the DNC, but starting out with Gallente drones isn't a bad idea. So yeah. If that wasn't helpful and it means I can't read and I should go play WoW for the first time ever (though I will admit to logging on to Everquest once in 1999; it sucked), sorry. But that's about the best I can do even when I'm immensely bored.
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 22:13:00 - [29] I was referring to the fact that I stated.. more than once.. that I wouldnt be training this character anymore.. EVER... since I was training a new one that would be better.. the fit itself you noticed I didnt qoute.. Or atleast since you obviously read all of it or you wouldnt have gotten the point about the people trying to "help" going to play WoW.. anyway, yes the fit is fine.. it meets the requirement of being T1.. so obviously you werent being told to go play WoW.. although to suggest that I would sell off the Gila is just preposterous
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.02 22:17:00 - [30] Originally by: GyokZoli Originally by: suckitdonks Im trying to find good fits for my Gila. I need help. Please dont suggest expensive faction fits. I just want good viable T1 fits. It doesnt have to be fast, it just has to survive well enough to be able to solo most L4 missions. [Gila, Gila passive] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Drone Navigation Computer I 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile [empty high slot] Drone Link Augmentor I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin I x5 Hammerhead I x5 Ogre I x5 369 uniform defence and 360 DPS with Ogres. Run the AB all the time, then you'll be fine. The launchers is for against those webber and scrambler frigs, so you don't have to call your ogres back. But of course the more modules you can swap to T2 the better. Makes a big difference. [Gila, Gila passive] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II 10MN Afterburner II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Drone Navigation Computer I Assault Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile [empty high slot] Drone Link Augmentor I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Ogre II x5 427 uniform defence and 475 DPS with Ogre IIs. Why would he swap out the meta 4 SPRs for T2? Just curious. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.

Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.02 22:44:00 - [31] Originally by: suckitdonks I was referring to the fact that I stated.. more than once.. that I wouldnt be training this character anymore.. EVER... since I was training a new one that would be better.. Actually, I hadn't caught the "EVER" part and I don't think anyone else did either. But just for the record, in this forum if you ask for a fit you tend to get an optimal fit and are expected to downgrade it as needed. I could write a **ing thesis on the culture of different EVE forums, but that's the fact for this one. Originally by:** suckitdonks the fit itself you noticed I didnt qoute.. No, you didn't. But you also didn't acknowledge it at all and whether it met your needs. You know, common courtesy. Originally by: suckitdonks anyway, yes the fit is fine.. it meets the requirement of being T1.. You know, like that. Doing minor things like listing that it is indeed T1 and doesn't rely on sentries would have been nice as far as getting help in the future -- for reference; I'm not butthurt -- and setting up things like requirements in Bulleted Lists wouldn't have hurt the OP either. Originally by: suckitdonks although to suggest that I would sell off the Gila is just preposterous Still an honest opinion. My main is sitting on 9.7 mil in drones, Cal cruiser V, Gal cruiser V, Heavy Missile Spec IV, and I still don't own one. Though I'd kinda like to if it weren't so ass-ugly.
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.02 23:59:00 - [32] Originally by: Zhilia Mann Still an honest opinion. My main is sitting on 9.7 mil in drones, Cal cruiser V, Gal cruiser V, Heavy Missile Spec IV, and I still don't own one. Though I'd kinda like to if it weren't so ass-ugly. Not everything that looks good is good... and not everything that is ugly is bad.. i happen to not care what it looks like if it gets the job done
Shikabane Hime	Posted - 2010.06.03 02:40:00 - [33] In your case, it doesnt get the job done. Why not just use some cheaper bs or bc to do it rather then T1 fit your Gila. Selling your Gila is a really good idea but i dun get why you wont sell it. But yeah sorry bout it just everybody has a choice and such.
Zeede Qinhua	Posted - 2010.06.03 08:07:00 - [34] Well, if you're just flying the Gila in level 4's for fun, then by all means. It's your time and your dime, as the saying goes. Zhilia's fit is a good one. You'll want to AB up close to the battleships to drop off the heavies though. I still haven't trained heavy drones and every time I see a Dominix send some out 80km it makes me want to get out in my pod and help push :D Zeede
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2010.06.03 09:29:00 - [35] I vote for thread-lock... question has been answered several times and rage is building. ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Mike712	Posted - 2010.06.03 10:58:00 - [36] Op is clearly just a troll, if this were battleclinic I'd lock the tread tbh....
XenosisReaper Rising Ashes Inc. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.06.03 10:58:00 - [37] Edited by: XenosisReaper on 03/06/2010 11:00:03 If anyone finds me the name of this guy's main, or the missionrunning char with the Gila, i'll pay you 150 Million for a successful gank of the Gila, I want to BATHE in iskbuyer TEARS tonight EDIT http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1324987&page=3#82 TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.06.03 13:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Mike712 Op is clearly just a troll, if this were battleclinic I'd lock the tread tbh.... Thankfully it's not and you can't --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.03 13:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Mike712 Op is clearly just a troll, if this were battleclinic I'd lock the tread tbh.... If anyone is the troll its you. I asked a simple question and not one that needed to be answered with "s3ll t3h g1l4" And how am I am iskbuyer? just cuz I have owned 2 Gila's? The first one was lost in that The Search Party (2 of 2) storyline crap. Its called selling PLEX's in Jita.
Cambarus The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.06.03 16:55:00 - [40] Originally by: suckitdonks Originally by: Mike712 Op is clearly just a troll, if this were battleclinic I'd lock the tread tbh.... If anyone is the troll its you. I asked a simple question and not one that needed to be answered with "s3ll t3h g1l4" And how am I am iskbuyer? just cuz I have owned 2 Gila's? The first one was lost in that The Search Party (2 of 2) storyline crap. Its called selling PLEX's in Jita. The reason people aren't giving you a t1 fit that can solo lvl 4s with low sp is because it doesn't exist. If you don't have the skills to use t2 you don't have the skills to keep a gila alive in lvl 4s. Period. Use a dominix if you want a low sp droneboat that can tank lvl 4s, because the gila just won't do it.

suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.03 17:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Cambarus Originally by: suckitdonks Originally by: Mike712 Op is clearly just a troll, if this were battleclinic I'd lock the tread tbh.... If anyone is the troll its you. I asked a simple question and not one that needed to be answered with "s3ll t3h g1l4" And how am I am iskbuyer? just cuz I have owned 2 Gila's? The first one was lost in that The Search Party (2 of 2) storyline crap. Its called selling PLEX's in Jita. The reason people aren't giving you a t1 fit that can solo lvl 4s with low sp is because it doesn't exist. If you don't have the skills to use t2 you don't have the skills to keep a gila alive in lvl 4s. Period. Use a dominix if you want a low sp droneboat that can tank lvl 4s, because the gila just won't do it. You do realize that in some cases meta 4 can be just as good if not better than T2.
Xai Rayna	Posted - 2010.06.03 17:53:00 - [42] Originally by: suckitdonks Now I know why so many people like to PVP.. so they can blowup people with fail-fit gilas Fixed it for you.
Cambarus The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.06.03 18:19:00 - [43] Originally by: suckitdonks You do realize that in some cases meta 4 can be just as good if not better than T2. Confirming that named hardeners are the same as t2. Also confirming that not having the skills for t2 is definitely not indicative of your shield skills in any way(which is good because if it were then you would clearly not have the skills needed with shields to make a gila tank work)
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.03 20:11:00 - [44] Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 03/06/2010 20:12:40 Originally by: Zeede Qinhua Zhilia's fit is a good one. You'll want to AB up close to the battleships to drop off the heavies though. Pretty sure the Y-S8 is an AB. Just saying. Edit: unless that was purely about tactics. In which case yes, but the DNC really does help. Oh, and as far as I'm concerned, this thread has actually gotten more civil. Maybe that's just me though.
Nora Rage Heroes. Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.03 21:06:00 - [45] Why the hell are people attempting to help this arrogant little pr*ck? Just let him get himself blown up and ragequit.
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.03 21:43:00 - [46] Edited by: suckitdonks on 03/06/2010 21:44:51 Originally by: Nora Rage Why the hell are people attempting to help this arrogant little prck? Just let him get himself blown up and ragequit. fck off troll.. i have no intention of "ragequitting" Did you honestly need to come in here and act like a douche? Now pss off and die like a good little fcktard
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.03 21:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Nora Rage Why the hell are people attempting to help this arrogant little pr*ck? Just let him get himself blown up and ragequit. Tempting. At first. But I'm pretty sure this is a genuine question. And frankly making a T1 Gila workable is interesting; have you tried it? Taking a ship and fitting it with very tight restrictions can almost become a hobby. Especially one as limited on fittings as the Gila. But yeah, this thread started poorly. Actually read it through, though, and it isn't that bad. And yeah, I'd still sell the damn thing. But that's not what the thread is about.
Thuranni Eldjotnar	Posted - 2010.06.03 22:20:00 - [48] I love threads like this. "Hey how do I do this?" "Well, here's how you do this." "NO I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT" "Well, uh, okay, but that's the best way to do that." "YOU MORAN CAN'T YOU READ I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TELL ME HOW TO DO THIS THE BEST WAY" "Sigh..."
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.03 22:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Thuranni "YOU MORAN CAN'T YOU READ I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TELL ME HOW TO DO THIS THE BEST WAY" Just love all these trolls coming in. I KNOW the best way to fit it.. that wasnt the point of the thread. I gave a criteria(T1 fits only, non FACTION fits) is it my fault people didnt understand this? And the thread was starting to get more civil.. did we really need more people to jump in and troll it to start more problems?
Byzan Zwyth Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.06.03 23:38:00 - [50] Edited by: Byzan Zwyth on 03/06/2010 23:41:15 Dont like the idea flying around such a costly ship with such cheap arse mods but if someone had a gun to my head and told me I had to do it this is what I'd do. High: 3x Arbalest assault missile launcher (you need to kill web/scram frigs ASAP) - fit correct missiles for the rats you are fighting. salvager (because killing aint going to be super quick so you may as well salvage too) Tractor beam Mid: Y-S8 Hydrocarbon AfterBurners 3x Large F-S9 Shield Extender 2x shield hardeners, rat specific - always make sure you fit the correct hardeners or you will die low: 3x Beta Reactor Control: Doagnostic System 1x Beta Reactor control: Shield power relay Rig: 3x medium core defence field purger I Shield power relays are best for your tank but they also screw your cap to hell. last thing you want is to be in a mission tanking and your cap runs out and your shield hardeners & afterburner stop... because you will go down like a $5 hooker. just totally ignore setups with 4 Shield power relays and an afterburner they are more trouble than they're worth, more so if your skills are not upto scratch... Drones to taste... Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint

Klazktrknuitzksalikamono	Posted - 2010.06.04 01:09:00 - [51] Edited by: Klazktrknuitzksalikamono on 04/06/2010 01:09:19 Originally by: suckitdonks Originally by: Thuranni "YOU MORAN CAN'T YOU READ I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TELL ME HOW TO DO THIS THE BEST WAY" Just love all these trolls coming in. I KNOW the best way to fit it.. that wasnt the point of the thread. I gave a criteria(T1 fits only, non FACTION fits) is it my fault people didnt understand this? And the thread was starting to get more civil.. did we really need more people to jump in and troll it to start more problems? You're wasting your time if you get in a Gila without the ship skills, module skills, and drones skills necessary to fly it effectively. We're not your personal fitting monkeys, so get a hold on your pathetic little ego, and get it through your head that nobody here will help you if you don't act somewhat civil and understanding when asking for help.
Thuranni Eldjotnar	Posted - 2010.06.04 01:22:00 - [52] Originally by: suckitdonks Originally by: Thuranni "YOU MORAN CAN'T YOU READ I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TELL ME HOW TO DO THIS THE BEST WAY" Just love all these trolls coming in. I KNOW the best way to fit it.. that wasnt the point of the thread. I gave a criteria(T1 fits only, non FACTION fits) is it my fault people didnt understand this? And the thread was starting to get more civil.. did we really need more people to jump in and troll it to start more problems? Read the responses you got. People are telling you that it simply is not possible to make a good, respectable T1 fit for a Gila. The ship simply doesn't function as advertised without T2. People aren't trolling, they're telling you the facts.
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.04 03:13:00 - [53] So I am just wondering.. Do you people even think before you say something? Or do you just sit there with your epeen out, stroking it and think to yourself "whats the most ahole-ish way to be an ahole?"
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.04 04:16:00 - [54] Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 04/06/2010 04:24:30 Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 04/06/2010 04:19:59 Originally by: suckitdonks So I am just wondering.. Do you people even think before you say something? Or do you just sit there with your epeen out, stroking it and think to yourself "whats the most ahole-ish way to be an ahole?" Just... give it up. The general impression is that that's exactly what you're doing. The content:flame ratio in this thread isn't actually that bad and you're the one doing much of shift towards the flame side. You got a workable setup that met your rather... unique... criteria (which were by no means clear at the top of the thread), and you got another suggestion to maybe swap down to AMLs to kill tacklers more quickly. You've been told time and again that the core concept of a T1 Gila is probably a bad idea in more and less respectful and constructive ways and have rejected that advice (usually abrasively). So let's just call this one done, shall we? Even I'm getting bored with it. Edit: Ok, I'm not bored enough to ignore this: Originally by: Thuranni People are telling you that it simply is not possible to make a good, respectable T1 fit for a Gila. The ship simply doesn't function as advertised without T2. Forget T2. I mean use it and all, but the fitting restrictions on a Gila actually demand faction instead. Originally by: Klazktrknuitzksalikamono We're not your personal fitting monkeys Actually, I think I am at this point. Guilty as charged.
Byzan Zwyth Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.06.04 05:10:00 - [55] Originally by: suckitdonks So I am just wondering.. Do you people even think before you say something? Or do you just sit there with your epeen out, stroking it and think to yourself "whats the most ahole-ish way to be an ahole?" people are trying to tell you that it's a bad idea to fly this ship with T1 and even worse if you're not an experienced pilot. If you want a safe option get one of these T1 options setup and run level3 missions. Move to Level4 missions once you have the skills to upgrade to some T2 kit and have some experience under your belt and tweaked the fit a bit to what works best for you. Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint
suckitdonks	Posted - 2010.06.04 05:56:00 - [56] You know what.. screw you all. I have said numerous times that this character wont be doing any more training. OBVIOUSLY I WILL EVENTUALLY T2/FACTION THE GILA! All I wanted was to try running L4 missions until my new character was ready to fly it best. So like I said.. screw you all and a merry go f*ck yourselves. -Thread Ended
Mutant Caldari Caldari Psykotic Meat C0NVICTED	Posted - 2010.06.04 06:02:00 - [57] Originally by: suckitdonks You know what.. screw you all. I have said numerous times that this character wont be doing any more training. OBVIOUSLY I WILL EVENTUALLY T2/FACTION THE GILA! All I wanted was to try running L4 missions until my new character was ready to fly it best. So like I said.. screw you all and a merry go f*ck yourselves. -Thread Ended Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Mutant+Caldari http://roadkill.igs-corp.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2010.06.04 06:32:00 - [58] Isn't it weird that you get treated by a$$holes if you behave like one yourself. ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.04 06:37:00 - [59] Originally by: suckitdonks You know what.. screw you all. I have said numerous times that this character wont be doing any more training. OBVIOUSLY I WILL EVENTUALLY T2/FACTION THE GILA! All I wanted was to try running L4 missions until my new character was ready to fly it best. So like I said.. screw you all and a merry go fck yourselves. -Thread Ended Really? You've been given two viable fits and told more than once that the Gila is a disaster to fit with pure T1 modules. And that's your bottom line? I know not everyone has tried to be helpful, but at least acknowledge those of us who have. And seriously, welcome to the Ships and Mods forum. This hasn't even been abusive by local standards. And*, and this is unusual for me, I'm beginning to wonder where you mission and how much it would take to kill that Gila....
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.06.04 15:57:00 - [60] Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Isn't it weird that you get treated by a$$holes if you behave like one yourself. And isn't it strange that others immediately jumped on him and ripped him a new one, after he'd asked his original question --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻

Jaded One Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:13:00 - [61] bored at work, casually reading the forums as i often do... and damn this dude is uptight to the max - im going to throw an idea out there, which sadly I cannot make happen myself atm due to wardec's.. Locator agent on suckitdonks, discoBS (may take two), one dead gila, problem solved... I'll contribute 50mil to the person who posts that killmail here (and another 25mil if it takes more than one BS), just for the total lolz - nothing more, nothing less.
GavinCapacitor	Posted - 2010.06.04 18:54:00 - [62] It seems like you want to t1 fit your gila because you don't have this isk, which is fine. However, you might want to look into the 'crap' faction mods though. For instance, a domination LAR actually repairs less than t2 (easier on the fittings though), and a shadow serpentis LAR repairs the same as t2 (again 300 less pg). You can get a shadow serpentis LAR for around 15m domination one for less, which is not all that much (this is just an example I am familiar with, being amarr). Looking around it looks like faction armor hardeners are similar to faction shield hardeners - they aren't really much of an improvement over t2 (infact, domination hardeners look like they suck alot for faction). You could see if there are any cheap faction mods that would be comparable to t2.

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