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CaldariPilotman	Posted - 2010.06.04 04:00:00 - [1] First off, I was not running level 5's pre-nerf. I have spent my time in eve largely doing level 4's. With that being said I skimmed a thread the other day of a player claiming to run level 5's solo(?) in complete anonymity/immunity to scan probes unfortunately I didn't bookmark that thread so I have no idea what ship/setup he was running. So I come to you with some questions, the first in regards to Scan Probes: Do they pickup Ship Wrecks? or just Ships, which would allow an Unprobable ship to be active & secure in a lowsec system. The second query: Assume that you/I have seven ships at your disposal which can fit whatever they need to achieve invisibility & tank l5's, one of these ships would be a Loki w/ Skirmish Mindlink & Evasive Maneuvers w/ up to 3 other warfare links sitting off in a safe spot. What ships are capable of becoming invisible with a supporting Loki & doing level 5 missions?
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.04 04:23:00 - [2] You really want to use a unprobable tengu over any other T3. And scan probes don't pick up wrecks, only ships and drones. Again you really can't go wrong with a pair of unprobable Tengus. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Prior Meru	Posted - 2010.06.04 05:42:00 - [3] Edited by: Prior Meru on 04/06/2010 05:42:43 Edited by: Prior Meru on 04/06/2010 05:42:09 I've never tried to passive tank a tengu, is it plausible for level 5's? or would the active tank tengu(s) be able to ignore the cap drain that some level 5's have? the loki is due to its warfare processor module giving the benefit to skirmish warfare links, making evasive maneuvers more effective.(and is intended to just sit off at a random point in space giving buffs with 4 warfare links) t3 ships are definitely the easiest to make unscannable, however I was going to try to go with something a bit easier to mass-produce but if it comes down to it I'll go for the tengu's -OP, different account.
Katellin	Posted - 2010.06.04 08:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Prior Meru I've never tried to passive tank a tengu, is it plausible for level 5's? More than plausible yes but not at the same time as being unprobable. Purger rigs, shield extenders and few free slots mean it can't tank lvl 5's and be unprobable. Originally by: Prior Meru or would the active tank tengu(s) be able to ignore the cap drain that some level 5's have? The cap drain is quite severe in most missions with usually anywhere from 2-8 neut 3 towers, so I would probably say no. However, another option would be to try and cherrypick the missions without neut towers of which there are about 5 for the Caldari state (not sure about other factions). With good faction standings (or good standings across a few lvl 5 corps) and a willingness to travel to the various agents it could be done. Just be aware that some ships in these missions will also try to neut you (dionia's for example) and so choose targets accordingly. Heres a cheap fitting that, along with a mind-linked loki and a couple of implants, is unprobable and should have enough tank for lvl 5's. [Low-Sec Lvl 5] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Co-Processor II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II X-Large Shield Booster II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Heavy Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor Cap stable with an implant but not alot of dps. Faction mods will of course help with this along with the tank. To be honest though you would probably be better off just blitzing lvl 4's for a good lp/isk corp.
AlastorTheLost	Posted - 2010.06.04 11:33:00 - [5] Active tank in lvl 5's for soloing its just suicide man dont even bother go down there ^^
wackamole	Posted - 2010.06.04 12:31:00 - [6] here are my thoughts.... You can't solo a lvl 5 in low sec with a single ship...at least not with pirates around unless you feel like warping out everytime you see a probe on scan. So you players with multiple accounts might have a shot. The only solution I can come up with is to use a bufferd armor tanked tech 3 ship with 1 1600plate and trimarks. The other lows would be passive resistance mods for reducing damage to the faction your fighting. You would then need to find 2-3 more ships that where unprobable, could fit remote armor rep, and won't use drones for DPS (never use drones don't even bring them). Possible fit for using some Projected ECCM just incase your tank get webbed. Forget running angel missions period. The target painters will get you probed out in no time. Kill web towers quickly. kill webbers quickly. Keep yourself from being probed out. Comments?? The only alternative is for other multiple account lvl 5 mission runners to band together find a consalation with a lvl 5 agent and as few low sec systems as possible and fill the low sec with alts (cough or trial accounts cough) so that all your missions will be in high sec...this will take cordination..since you have to clear out the high sec fill the low sec when getting the missions.
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.04 13:21:00 - [7] Originally by: wackamole The only alternative is for other multiple account lvl 5 mission runners to band together find a consalation with a lvl 5 agent and as few low sec systems as possible and fill the low sec with alts (cough or trial accounts cough) so that all your missions will be in high sec...this will take cordination..since you have to clear out the high sec fill the low sec when getting the missions. CCP fixed that bug, so that level 5 agents no longer give missions in high sec. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Katellin	Posted - 2010.06.04 15:26:00 - [8] Originally by: FunzzeR CCP fixed that bug, so that level 5 agents no longer give missions in high sec. No they didn't, they only changed it so that it's far less common to get high sec level 5's. You still can get them though, I ran 2 in high sec last night. Wackamole seems to have a better idea for low-sec running though. Projected eccm seems like a better option than trying to make an active tanked local unprobable tengu. Not that hard to even make a passive tengu unprobable with it.
CaldariPilotman	Posted - 2010.06.09 12:31:00 - [9] As I mentioned I don't have just a single ship at my disposal, I can bring up to seven ships. So my question still remains aside from a t3 fleet what setup of ships & mods would allow my small group to safely complete non-angel level 5 missions with immunity to the mission & to external harassment?
wackamole	Posted - 2010.06.09 14:06:00 - [10] Edited by: wackamole on 09/06/2010 14:12:28 Edited by: wackamole on 09/06/2010 14:11:21 Edited by: wackamole on 09/06/2010 14:11:02 The reason everyone mentions tech3 Is because thier the Easiest to get "unproabable" without gimping fits. Most frigs can be unproabalbe with 2 eccms running. Standard cruisers would need more slots devoted to eccm. It is possible to get BC If you want to devote slots to Projected ECCM. Here is what you have to remember. -Your tank will have NO cap, period, It must have a buffer/high resists. So bring remote rep. -You can not shiled tank because the signature bloom. It will blow your silient running. -You can not use any drones, they get probed out too easily. -Webbers and target painters increase your signature so Quickly target webbers and DON'T run angel missons. Projected ECCM is quite powerful, It you have 7 ships to work with you can run lvl 5 silently quite easily. Here is a quick list of ships (remeber the above rules) -1 Tank (all you care about here is buffer and passive resists) the loki is great here, projectile weapons dont eat cap. high resists - 2 armor rep logis, (gaurdian, Oneiros) - 2 DPS (they need at least a buffer or active tank, I suggest zelot, cerberus) - 1 projected eccm (this person has to pay attention to whos webbed, you rembered not to run angel missions right , drake/combat recons works great here with the extra mids) -1 T3 salvager Know the missions your gonna run. If you get spawns on your Non tanks kill them first. Your DPS should have at least a 200-300dps tank. Know the missions that spawn nuet towers (aka destroy the carrier missions) It will be up to you if you kill the tower quickly or warp out and back in. As for mods that make help make you unproabale you need (MAke sure you pay attention to the racial needs of your ship!!!): ECCM - mids Sensor backup arrays - lows projected ECCM Hope this helps.

Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.09 16:40:00 - [11] It is not possible to safely passive tank a tengu for lvl5s after putting in the eccms needed for unprobeable. Period. Don't try. You need alt rr to make it work.
arbiter reformed Minmatar Reverse Psychology. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.09 16:53:00 - [12] tengu and scimitar s all you need, anything else is just extra dps
Cartheron Crust Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya	Posted - 2010.06.09 18:37:00 - [13] Originally by: wackamole Edited by: wackamole on 09/06/2010 14:12:28 Edited by: wackamole on 09/06/2010 14:11:21 Edited by: wackamole on 09/06/2010 14:11:02 -Webbers and target painters increase your signature so Quickly target webbers and DON'T run angel missons. Wat?
wackamole	Posted - 2010.06.09 20:44:00 - [14] Quote: Wat? Wow after all this time I thought Webers increased sig... Guess I have been overly concerned about them for no reason. I guess I am still learning too. Although I will blame a bad guide for my misinformation (*passes the buck) And for the OP I silent run lvl 5s with 4 ships 1 tank, 1 logi, 1 salvager and 1 dps. I stick to killing amarr (benifiet my em/thrm resists from armor tanking). I cherry pick missions and I always scout out gates if I have to cross systems. I have never had issues with pirates. I have had to wait out people sitting at the gates.
Dr BananaHammock	Posted - 2010.06.11 10:49:00 - [15] I don't know what kind of crack some people are smoking, but I've run 50+ L5's in high sec since Tyrannis dropped. And yes, you can solo the high sec ones in a passive Tengu just fine unless there's a carrier. The misinformation on the forums these days regarding this is getting ridiculous. Get 8.6 with Caldari Faction. Have access to all L5 Caldari agents. Take a shuttle and hit each one (takes about an hour) cherry pick your highsec L5's. Most of these will be anti-faction Gallente or Minmatar. Deal with it. And for all the L5's aren't in highsec anymore whiners. There are plenty to be had and done. STFU, GBTW.
Mashari Gordus	Posted - 2010.07.24 18:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Arbiter Reformed tengu and scimitar s all you need, anything else is just extra dps Confirming that level 5 missions are easy with this setup. I use a tengu and a basilisk with remote eccm and rep. Both ships are unprobable and allow me to run level 5s in lowsec without a care.
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.07.24 20:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Mashari Gordus Originally by: Arbiter Reformed tengu and scimitar s all you need, anything else is just extra dps Confirming that level 5 missions are easy with this setup. I use a tengu and a basilisk with remote eccm and rep. Both ships are unprobable and allow me to run level 5s in lowsec without a care. Mind sharing your fits? I am interested. Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Skyla Huron	Posted - 2010.07.25 04:46:00 - [18] You -can- pick up 5's from lowsec that lead to highsec mission sites, however, the time spent picking these missions up is a drain on your isk/hr. I've almost always made more isk blitzing 4's in a nightmare/mach than doing the handful of 5's I could get in highsec. Your mileage may vary, but imo it's not worth the effort unless you're just bored of blitzing and want something else to do.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.25 06:21:00 - [19] 2 Tengus One for tanking/damage, one for projected ECCM + logistics. Originally by: Lvl 5 First Ship Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Amplifier Caldari Navy Kinetic Deflection Amplifier ECCM - Gravimetric II Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Siege Warfare Mindlink Originally by: Lvl 5 Second Ship Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Gravimetric Backup Array II Gravimetric Backup Array II ECCM - Gravimetric II Cap Recharger II ECCM Projector II ECCM Projector II Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst First ship warps in, takes aggro + lays down damage. Second ship provides logistics + projected ECCM + 25m3 drone support if system is safe. Cloak is for activation on triggering next wave so your logistics boat doesn't get aggro. Will be slow, but toss in a couple more unprobable damage dealers and you could cruise through lvl 5s in relative safety. Just not sure if the tank is enough (2700 with 3 reps).
AFK Cloaker Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.07.25 06:39:00 - [20] Originally by: XXSketchxx 2 Tengus One for tanking/damage, one for projected ECCM + logistics. Originally by: Lvl 5 First Ship Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Amplifier Caldari Navy Kinetic Deflection Amplifier ECCM - Gravimetric II Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Siege Warfare Mindlink Originally by: Lvl 5 Second Ship Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Gravimetric Backup Array II Gravimetric Backup Array II ECCM - Gravimetric II Cap Recharger II ECCM Projector II ECCM Projector II Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst First ship warps in, takes aggro + lays down damage. Second ship provides logistics + projected ECCM + 25m3 drone support if system is safe. Cloak is for activation on triggering next wave so your logistics boat doesn't get aggro. Will be slow, but toss in a couple more unprobable damage dealers and you could cruise through lvl 5s in relative safety. Just not sure if the tank is enough (2700 with 3 reps). What happens to your projected eccm in the time when you hit cloak, wait for aggro, decloak and relock? Those probes will be off scan range set to warp on your mission on smallest radius. That's what will happen, because believe it they will be arsed to do that for two Tengu's.

XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.07.25 06:53:00 - [21] Then you're screwed. Nothing is 100% safe. Welcome to Eve
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.07.25 07:39:00 - [22] Try gank/tank tengu with spec resist amplifiers, rr tengu and 5 link boosting tengu /3 siege, 1 for sig, 1 for sensors/. Should be unprobable with hg implants /but looks like they are bugged little bit atm, so im not sure/.
landow calrissian	Posted - 2010.07.25 08:17:00 - [23] Ok I have to ask. How in the heck does ECCM have to do with being unprobable? If I'm not mistaken ECCM boosts your own sensor strength as a counter to being Jammed with ECM's. Projected does the same but to another ship right? As far as being unprobable, that is accomplished by reducing your signature radius right?
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.07.25 10:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 25/07/2010 10:20:00 Originally by: landow calrissian Ok I have to ask. How in the heck does ECCM have to do with being unprobable? If I'm not mistaken ECCM boosts your own sensor strength as a counter to being Jammed with ECM's. Projected does the same but to another ship right? As far as being unprobable, that is accomplished by reducing your signature radius right? As far as I understand it, it's the ratio of your sensor strength relative to your sig-radius that helps determine how easily probed out you are, making massively high sensor strength a good way to skew that ratio in your favour. Tiny sig-radius helps obviously, but it's the ratio of strength and radius that matters.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.25 10:36:00 - [25] Originally by: landow calrissian Ok I have to ask. How in the heck does ECCM have to do with being unprobable? If I'm not mistaken ECCM boosts your own sensor strength as a counter to being Jammed with ECM's. Projected does the same but to another ship right? As far as being unprobable, that is accomplished by reducing your signature radius right? Read more here. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Mashari Gordus	Posted - 2010.07.25 22:35:00 - [26] My basilisk has a sensor strength of 100, and a sig of 90. My tengu has a sensor strength of 183, and a sig of 165 iirc. Both are unprobable.
ULSTER MAN	Posted - 2010.07.26 15:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Mashari Gordus My basilisk has a sensor strength of 100, and a sig of 90. My tengu has a sensor strength of 183, and a sig of 165 iirc. Both are unprobable. can i see your fit m8?


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