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0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2010.06.04 16:52:00 - [1] Like in real life, it is apparently possible in Eve to spend more than you have, to incur debts. Some people are even spending billions of isk that they don't have and get their wallets into negative, proof (check the wallet) : http://eveboard.com/pilot/Kobalth Whenever I tried to buy something, that has a higher price than I have isk in my wallet, it doesn't work. Why is that ? Do I need a good reputation, valuable assets or a lot of SP as security for making debts ?
Lady Karma	Posted - 2010.06.04 16:55:00 - [2] 1/10
Kyusoath Orillian Haters Gonna Hate	Posted - 2010.06.04 16:55:00 - [3] thats what happens when GMs take away the isk that you bought
The DRUDGE	Posted - 2010.06.04 16:56:00 - [4] He most likely got caught buying isk
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.04 16:56:00 - [5] For 1 bill ISK I will explain and teach you this amazing technique -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!!
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.04 16:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian thats what happens when GMs take away the isk that you bought So with those 3 billion in minus, I presume he has to get positive first before he can buy anything Apply \| Sigs
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.06.04 16:59:00 - [7] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Like in real life, it is apparently possible in Eve to spend more than you have, to incur debts. Some people are even spending billions of isk that they don't have and get their wallets into negative, proof (check the wallet) : http://eveboard.com/pilot/Kobalth Whenever I tried to buy something, that has a higher price than I have isk in my wallet, it doesn't work. Why is that ? Do I need a good reputation, valuable assets or a lot of SP as security for making debts ? if you buy ISK vis RMT and the GM's see a "paper trail" to your account then they will remove the cash and leave you in debt. That's the only way I know of this happening, but there may be more. . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:04:00 - [8] better learn how to make lots of isk fast. your char. is basically useless. can't even u/d your clone. -- "One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic."
Hainnz Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:06:00 - [9] So if I buy ISK, all I have to worry about is a GM taking it away? These people should be banned and their accounts deleted.
Bad Princess	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:10:00 - [10] Edited by: Bad Princess on 04/06/2010 17:11:17 never mind, blonde moment.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Hainnz So if I buy ISK, all I have to worry about is a GM taking it away? These people should be banned and their accounts deleted. I agree, but I think this is what happens on a first offence. It's never happened to me but it's happened to a few corpmates and they always swear up and down that they haven't bought ISK via RMT (and sometimes I believe them) so I think GM's might also remove money from you if you have received RMT cash via a trade. . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
bassie12bf1	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:26:00 - [12] I've had negative isk before. Didn't buy isk though.
Hainnz Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Pesky LaRue I agree, but I think this is what happens on a first offence. It's never happened to me but it's happened to a few corpmates and they always swear up and down that they haven't bought ISK via RMT (and sometimes I believe them) so I think GM's might also remove money from you if you have received RMT cash via a trade. Thank you for that info Pesky. In another MMO (at least for a while when I played it) the company was hard on the gold sellers but far too lenient on the gold buyers (IMO). That always bothered me.
Aeternus IV	Posted - 2010.06.04 17:52:00 - [14] If you buy isk, you will have that much removed from your account as a first warning. If you spent it all you will therefore be put negative. GM's will also penalize a player who recieves isk from someone they "have proof" is an isk seller. Sell something via contract to an isk seller, it doesn't matter that you're a legitimate economist, they'll take it and you won't even get your item back. Happened to an old corpmate of mine, now granted he coulda lied to me but I believe him... and oddly... the isk seller wasn't banned
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.06.04 18:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Pesky LaRue It's never happened to me but it's happened to a few corpmates and they always swear up and down that they haven't bought ISK via RMT (and sometimes I believe them) so I think GM's might also remove money from you if you have received RMT cash via a trade. If the trade looked normal rather than like a 'trade', the GM's won't touch it. Sorry to say but your faith in those friends not RMT'ing is misplaced. ^_^
Germaldi's Daughter Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn Blood Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.04 19:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac better learn how to make lots of isk fast. your char. is basically useless. can't even u/d your clone. the only way to fix that is buy a few gtc and then sell them in game
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.04 19:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Germaldi's Daughter Originally by: Psychotic Maniac better learn how to make lots of isk fast. your char. is basically useless. can't even u/d your clone. the only way to fix that is buy a few gtc and then sell them in game Broker fees. Would have to be through trade window. And as we all know, who trusts the trade window? Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Germaldi's Daughter Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn Blood Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.04 19:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: Germaldi's Daughter Originally by: Psychotic Maniac better learn how to make lots of isk fast. your char. is basically useless. can't even u/d your clone. the only way to fix that is buy a few gtc and then sell them in game Broker fees. Would have to be through trade window. And as we all know, who trusts the trade window? yes but u can create a second toon on the account from which to sell them and then give the isk from one toon on that account to the skint one
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.04 19:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Germaldi's Daughter Originally by: Zions Child Originally by: Germaldi's Daughter Originally by: Psychotic Maniac better learn how to make lots of isk fast. your char. is basically useless. can't even u/d your clone. the only way to fix that is buy a few gtc and then sell them in game Broker fees. Would have to be through trade window. And as we all know, who trusts the trade window? yes but u can create a second toon on the account from which to sell them and then give the isk from one toon on that account to the skint one I stand corrected. Sir, I am a moron. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Ioci Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.04 20:31:00 - [20] I've had conversations in Corp vent about this and here it is plain and simple. Open an account for $20.00 Buy 5 billion ISK for $220. Send to new account. Steal from new account with old acount. Nuke $20.00 account with 5 billion ISK defecit. Why I have never done it? GTCs will buy me 5 Billion ISK for around $270. Why spend $240 in 3rd party run arounds when I could give it to the people who made EvE with all of $20 or $30 more added on?
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2010.06.04 20:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Ioci I've had conversations in Corp vent about this and here it is plain and simple. Open an account for $20.00 Buy 5 billion ISK for $220. Send to new account. Steal from new account with old acount. Yeah, that's gonna work. how exactly do you want to "steal" 5 bil ISK with it beeing damn obvious?
Ioci Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:02:00 - [22] Edited by: Ioci on 04/06/2010 21:06:33 Originally by: Nika Dekaia Originally by: Ioci I've had conversations in Corp vent about this and here it is plain and simple. Open an account for $20.00 Buy 5 billion ISK for $220. Send to new account. Steal from new account with old acount. Yeah, that's gonna work. how exactly do you want to "steal" 5 bil ISK with it beeing damn obvious? Scams are abundant in EvE. Stealing is one of the easiest things to do. - Add on: I didnt write that to give people a step by step tutorial on how to buy ISK. My point was, there is no point. Unless you are spending for 100 billion and in the thousands, its not in your intrest to buy from some hack job 3rd party company.
Jason Babbage	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:09:00 - [23] Edited by: Jason Babbage on 04/06/2010 21:09:15 Isn't this skill the most likely cause of a negative ISK balance? Margin Trading
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:11:00 - [24] Edited by: Breaker77 on 04/06/2010 21:13:06 Originally by: Ioci Edited by: Ioci on 04/06/2010 21:06:33 Originally by: Nika Dekaia Originally by: Ioci I've had conversations in Corp vent about this and here it is plain and simple. Open an account for $20.00 Buy 5 billion ISK for $220. Send to new account. Steal from new account with old acount. Yeah, that's gonna work. how exactly do you want to "steal" 5 bil ISK with it beeing damn obvious? Scams are abundant in EvE. Stealing is one of the easiest things to do. That would work until CCP checked and saw the IP address for both accounts is the same. Don't even say they don't store that information, just look at the forums when you have to type a character on the account if you rIP address changes. Originally by: Jason Babbage Edited by: Jason Babbage on 04/06/2010 21:09:15 Isn't this skill the most likely cause of a negative ISK balance? Margin Trading Margin trading doesn't work like that. Read the bolded part. Quote: The Margin Trading skill reduces the amount of ISK one has to reserve when making buy orders on the market. The money is still required when a sale is made. If someone fills the order and the buying pilot does not have the ISK to cover the transaction, the transaction is cancelled and the rest of the buy order is cancelled. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Market_guide#Margin_Trading
King Gore Sword and Pistol	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Ioci Edited by: Ioci on 04/06/2010 21:06:33 Originally by: Nika Dekaia Originally by: Ioci I've had conversations in Corp vent about this and here it is plain and simple. Open an account for $20.00 Buy 5 billion ISK for $220. Send to new account. Steal from new account with old acount. Yeah, that's gonna work. how exactly do you want to "steal" 5 bil ISK with it beeing damn obvious? Scams are abundant in EvE. Stealing is one of the easiest things to do. - Add on: I didnt write that to give people a step by step tutorial on how to buy ISK. My point was, there is no point. Unless you are spending for 100 billion and in the thousands, its not in your intrest to buy from some hack job 3rd party company. You should prepare to have your account investigated. - She holds me close and whispers wet, 'There are cannibals among us.'
Jason Babbage	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Breaker77 Edited by: Breaker77 on 04/06/2010 21:13:06 Originally by: Ioci Edited by: Ioci on 04/06/2010 21:06:33 Originally by: Nika Dekaia Originally by: Ioci I've had conversations in Corp vent about this and here it is plain and simple. Open an account for $20.00 Buy 5 billion ISK for $220. Send to new account. Steal from new account with old acount. Yeah, that's gonna work. how exactly do you want to "steal" 5 bil ISK with it beeing damn obvious? Scams are abundant in EvE. Stealing is one of the easiest things to do. That would work until CCP checked and saw the IP address for both accounts is the same. Don't even say they don't store that information, just look at the forums when you have to type a character on the account if you rIP address changes. Originally by: Jason Babbage Edited by: Jason Babbage on 04/06/2010 21:09:15 Isn't this skill the most likely cause of a negative ISK balance? Margin Trading Margin trading doesn't work like that. Read the bolded part. Quote: The Margin Trading skill reduces the amount of ISK one has to reserve when making buy orders on the market. The money is still required when a sale is made. If someone fills the order and the buying pilot does not have the ISK to cover the transaction, the transaction is cancelled and the rest of the buy order is cancelled. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Market_guide#Margin_Trading Interesting. Well then margin trading isn't as risky as I thought.
Ioci Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:24:00 - [27] Originally by: King Gore Originally by: Ioci Edited by: Ioci on 04/06/2010 21:06:33 Originally by: Nika Dekaia Originally by: Ioci I've had conversations in Corp vent about this and here it is plain and simple. Open an account for $20.00 Buy 5 billion ISK for $220. Send to new account. Steal from new account with old acount. Yeah, that's gonna work. how exactly do you want to "steal" 5 bil ISK with it beeing damn obvious? Scams are abundant in EvE. Stealing is one of the easiest things to do. - Add on: I didnt write that to give people a step by step tutorial on how to buy ISK. My point was, there is no point. Unless you are spending for 100 billion and in the thousands, its not in your intrest to buy from some hack job 3rd party company. You should prepare to have your account investigated. If they are willing to provide assets to do it with and it helps CCP to stop 3rd party ISK transfers I am more than happy to buy ISK and get away with it. If they want to 'investigate' my accounts, they are welcome to but it wont help because I have never applied what I know. I can still assure CCP that if I ever decided to, I could buy ISK and do it in such a way that they wont catch me. Again I will say. I see no need. The GTC system works. 600 mill isnt enough for me to spend $35 right now but the illegal companies play of the GTC system to set thier prices and they arent worth it either.
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Ioci Scams are abundant in EvE. Stealing is one of the easiest things to do. Yeah...char buys ISK and the gets "scammed". Not obvious at all. Im sure CCP would remove the ISK in that case even if scamming is viable. It's just too obvious and the scammer has, in that case, really no need for "protection". Originally by: Ioci Add on: I didnt write that to give people a step by step tutorial on how to buy ISK. My point was, there is no point. Unless you are spending for 100 billion and in the thousands, its not in your intrest to buy from some hack job 3rd party company. True that. there is no point in buying illegal ISK. CCP WILL get you sooner or later. I don't know about the prices those ISK sellers offer, but who in his right mind would risk his account just to save some 30$ when already paying 240$?
Qoi New Eden Warriors	Posted - 2010.06.04 22:23:00 - [29] Try to run a freighter full of drugs through highsec and get a 500 million bill from CONCORD. Not that anybody i know ever did that

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