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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.06 00:16:00 -
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The only reason people are complaining about this is because this is the most public occurance of metagaming in the tourny.
People, wake up, the tourny has have backstabbing/metagaming for all of it's tournaments, you just haven't heard about it because it's usually behind closed doors.
It's EVE, get over it ------------------------
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.06 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 06/06/2010 00:20:58
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig holy **** this is like the holy grail of trolldom
- Gob
Looks like Zoon was wrong about you - its not all about the ego.
You could have won and taken a famous victory, instead you turned your back on the w1n and gave hope to those that needed it.
Bravo, sir, Bravo.
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Nagapito
Gallente Victim Support
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Posted - 2010.06.06 00:21:00 -
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Its just nice to see who are most of the guys whining about this move!(Or their alts... Please, have some courage and post with your mains!!!)
Ppl are upset just coz this happened in front of their eyes!?!? If all this was set on a private convo and we only know this a few days later, no one would complain! And I say this coz this happened a lot in previous tournaments and no one complained! How many times he saw good teams getting on field just the worst fit for the battle and loose against weaker teams? Or we could talk about the previous tournament where big alliances created alt alliances and paied the 2 bil so they can had a higher chance of getting on the torney. Or selling their spot on torney for highest bidder...
I tell you why some ppl are raging about this: They didnt had the idea first!!!
It was a amazing match, I was loving it and when the commentator talked about the ransom I just laugh of hilarious and spectacular move from Garmon! It was great and I bet 90% of ppl loved it too! The other 10%, are the jealous ones who didn't had the opportunity to do it!
ps: In my opinion, it was the best match. How many of you sayed that Hydra was going to get stomped when you saw the fleets composition? And if they didnt self-destruct they would had win flawless!!! Its not every group of players that can do that!
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Kyusoath Orillian
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.06.06 00:24:00 -
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i love you garmon . i want you inside me . you and your alliance full of your alts.
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Tennents Supra
eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.06 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hun Jakuza Edited by: Hun Jakuza on 05/06/2010 18:39:37
Originally by: Tennents Supra
Originally by: Hun Jakuza
Originally by: Tennents Supra Smart isk isnt on you :brosef:
I scammed you many times, so smart isk come to me, dont worry. But PvP tournament not equal with ISK farming in game, dear "I'm so cheap ISK" warrior.
I can give 3 billion ISK for your alliance, if you guys dont shot in the next tournament game. Prize after match.
Obligatory :
You Mad?
With added :
Son?
I'm off to eat and then I'm gonna watch Lord of the Rings on C4+1 (yea I know I've got it on DVD, but the adverts just give it that added extra IMO)
/me wanders off to leave Huan gentley simmering in his personal pot of anger essence
You talk about too much, deal or not ? Cheap warrior ? 3 billions
3 billions? I make that in my sleep.
Go away and add a few more zero's to that (and by a few, I mean a lot) and we'll consider it (and by consider, I mean laugh at you even more).
Fly safe Mr Angry Huan Hung Low
o/
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.06 01:10:00 -
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Hydra seem to have played this rather well.
1) Hydra get an 'easier' opponent in round 2 and start off with 85 points. 2) Agony appears to have done wrong, which for an Alliance that trades on reputation is rather bad. 3) Agony get a 'tougher' opponent in round 2, despite being soundly beaten in round one. 4) As a psychological warfare tactic, this will take some work for the Agony Team to recognise and deal with.
Don't despair though, Agony have been through worse.
'easier' and 'tougher' are relative terms and refer to winners/losers from round 1. It's entirely possible that Karma will prevail and Hydra might just get the toughest of the losing teams.
Also: examine the chatlogs and the posted wallet images carefully. The evidence is there. Don't take everything at face value and question the motives behind these being posted. Look at the evidence objectively and make up your own minds. Me telling you Agony didn't pay isn't going to convince anyone.
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StinkRay
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Posted - 2010.06.06 02:05:00 -
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Mercurial Blood
eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.06 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Hydra seem to have played this rather well.
1) Hydra get an 'easier' opponent in round 2 and start off with 85 points. 2) Agony appears to have done wrong, which for an Alliance that trades on reputation is rather bad. 3) Agony get a 'tougher' opponent in round 2, despite being soundly beaten in round one. 4) As a psychological warfare tactic, this will take some work for the Agony Team to recognise and deal with.
Don't despair though, Agony have been through worse.
'easier' and 'tougher' are relative terms and refer to winners/losers from round 1. It's entirely possible that Karma will prevail and Hydra might just get the toughest of the losing teams.
Also: examine the chatlogs and the posted wallet images carefully. The evidence is there. Don't take everything at face value and question the motives behind these being posted. Look at the evidence objectively and make up your own minds. Me telling you Agony didn't pay isn't going to convince anyone.
Look bro, theres no shame paying for a win, but I understand if you want to cover it up. There is a lot of stigma connected to doing it . But don't worry man, we here in HYDRA won't judge, we love all of god's creations equally, and we love you guys especially for your loyal patronage.
-- Merc
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Donny Maurasi
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Posted - 2010.06.06 05:13:00 -
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If nothing else the tears in this topic are great..
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Corbeau Lenoir
ZER0. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.06 07:38:00 -
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Awesome move. Delicious tears. GJ Hydra.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.06 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: MoHawk Nephilium
Originally by: Othran Superbly played really. That one will stay in peoples' memories for a long time.
Can't fault Hydra - took Agony apart, played the metagame wonderfully and are now (rightly) the talk of the tournament.
Well played guys, really very well played
And to think, it took PL's winning bomber set up to do it... How original
Gobbies had a hardon for bombers before they could warp cloaked and used to run gangs with them regularly way back.
I don't know for sure because I didn't have alot to do with him during his time in PL but I'd put ISK on the fact he came up with the idea of the Bomber setup.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.06 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dodgy Past on 06/06/2010 09:30:59
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat BIG betting has cancelled all bet on this match and will be no refund I have heard in channel :D
Anyone taking bets that they were in on it?
This is the most likely theory as well.
Guessing they decided sand bagging was an option and found someone that would pay them to do it, loving the opportunity to troll Agony's e-honour.
To the Agony guys, take a leaf out of Teadaze's book and roll with the joke, anyone who knows you guys will stick up for you. Getting too uptight will do more harm than good.
Mixing the individual solo talents in Hydra with Gobbins is a scary combination, right now I'd say they are potential favourites. PL vs. Hydra final would be amasing, though hoping we get there instead of PL. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
RedLion
Caldari State Constructions
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Posted - 2010.06.06 09:47:00 -
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one for the history books
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Ecatherina W
Gallente AAA.FSI Holding Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.06 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Christina Bamar For the record Agony did NOT pay any money to Hydra, they did what they did of their own volition.
Your word should be worth more than the word of any member of that snake-organization. Knowing Agony, there is no way you guys would pay for a win. Any win.
Knowing Hydra - and sadly, having thought better of Gob years ago - is the other side of the coin. Taking their word would be hard for anyone. And that they managed to fake their proof so badly is just making me laugh. At Hydra, in case anyone was uncertain.
***** Empress of the Multiverse *****
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.06 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson
Originally by: MoHawk Nephilium
Originally by: Othran Superbly played really. That one will stay in peoples' memories for a long time.
Can't fault Hydra - took Agony apart, played the metagame wonderfully and are now (rightly) the talk of the tournament.
Well played guys, really very well played
And to think, it took PL's winning bomber set up to do it... How original
Gobbies had a hardon for bombers before they could warp cloaked and used to run gangs with them regularly way back.
I don't know for sure because I didn't have alot to do with him during his time in PL but I'd put ISK on the fact he came up with the idea of the Bomber setup.
I cant remember who first started conceptualizing using bombers as the primary ship. We might even have stolen it.
Gobbins did come up with the final setup though.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.06.06 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ecatherina W
Originally by: Christina Bamar For the record Agony did NOT pay any money to Hydra, they did what they did of their own volition.
Your word should be worth more than the word of any member of that snake-organization. Knowing Agony, there is no way you guys would pay for a win. Any win.
Knowing Hydra - and sadly, having thought better of Gob years ago - is the other side of the coin. Taking their word would be hard for anyone. And that they managed to fake their proof so badly is just making me laugh. At Hydra, in case anyone was uncertain.
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Easley Thames
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.06 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: RedLion one for the history books
Exactly what I was thinking, and by far the best reason to do it.
Money and "easy brackets" aside, they've created an instant-classic in tournament history that will be remembered for years. --------------------
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Maylin Li
Caldari interimo
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Posted - 2010.06.06 12:43:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Ecatherina W
Your word should be worth more than the word of any member of that snake-organization. Knowing Agony, there is no way you guys would pay for a win. Any win.
Knowing Hydra - and sadly, having thought better of Gob years ago - is the other side of the coin. Taking their word would be hard for anyone. And that they managed to fake their proof so badly is just making me laugh. At Hydra, in case anyone was uncertain.
Yeah, its not like Hydra has rules against dishonoring 1vs1s and ransoms, and its not like AAA dishonors them, nope, definately not, nothing to see here, move along...
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Thor Hun
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Posted - 2010.06.06 13:11:00 -
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Best winners fight best winners in early rounds??? Sounds ******ed to me... Hats of to Hydra,as for the clowns at ccp jumping on the bandwagon 14000 views he shouts,not that they were already watching.The format is floored back to the drawing board and keep your replys too WITHING THE RULES...
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Baske
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
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Posted - 2010.06.06 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nagapito Its just nice to see who are most of the guys whining about this move!(Or their alts... Please, have some courage and post with your mains!!!)
Ppl are upset just coz this happened in front of their eyes!?!? If all this was set on a private convo and we only know this a few days later, no one would complain! And I say this coz this happened a lot in previous tournaments and no one complained! How many times he saw good teams getting on field just the worst fit for the battle and loose against weaker teams? Or we could talk about the previous tournament where big alliances created alt alliances and paied the 2 bil so they can had a higher chance of getting on the torney. Or selling their spot on torney for highest bidder...
I tell you why some ppl are raging about this: They didnt had the idea first!!!
It was a amazing match, I was loving it and when the commentator talked about the ransom I just laugh of hilarious and spectacular move from Garmon! It was great and I bet 90% of ppl loved it too! The other 10%, are the jealous ones who didn't had the opportunity to do it!
ps: In my opinion, it was the best match. How many of you sayed that Hydra was going to get stomped when you saw the fleets composition? And if they didnt self-destruct they would had win flawless!!! Its not every group of players that can do that!
If this happened in private convo, everyone would ask "What the bleep is going on?" Everyone would complain / ask questions, not noone.
Think McFly, think !!!
It's was not like a match which maybe were fixed, it was obvious to even a 5 year old kid that something was wrong here.
Smart move or not a smart move.....I wont comment on that. I will only say that with this event, the honor of winning AT8 has dropped considerably IMO.
Shame on both teams I say !
PS. This IS my main :)
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Shiroi Okami
Gallente Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.06 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian i love you garmon . i want you inside me . you and your alliance full of your alts.
Confirming that we as an alliance are simply an army of Garmon alts, and the Agony team was in fact trounced by a single Welshman with a lot of monitors.
That aside, this thread just keeps on giving. HYDRA PROVAIL
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Olivor
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Posted - 2010.06.06 14:37:00 -
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Agony have so much e-honour that they will stand aside and let the 33rd place team go through next week though yeah?
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.06 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Thresh Avery on 06/06/2010 17:04:39
Originally by: MoHawk Nephilium What do I know, I'm just a noob, & now a hungery noob, thnxs :)
BTW, your guys did a nice job today ATA-BOY
Understandable mistake to make, i was just trying to set the record straight, so sorry if it came across a bit rude or something.
And thanks!
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente League of Gentlemen
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Posted - 2010.06.07 04:42:00 -
[234]
So...
did I miss something where EVE is about honor and not, as I've heard, "a game of Machiavelli, alts, politics, and accounting"?
Regarding high-sec mining:
Originally by: AmarrettoDiAmarr 3-4 million ISK/hr is perhaps .15 0r .20 US$/hr; not quite prison wages and you are around less honest people.
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Taicha Serrano
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Taicha Serrano on 07/06/2010 05:19:59 whoops, you missed something.
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Mr Management
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:12:00 -
[236]
Boring ....... wanted to see people fighting to the death ..... the rest is just poltical rubbish.
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Maylin Li
Caldari interimo
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:18:00 -
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It's not really "political rubbish", it's more of gaming the system to have the biggest chance of going through to the finals.
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DONJUAN v
Tarnak inc. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Halaster Blackcloak Everyone saying they should be disqualified should go back to WoW
did you feel orignal when you typed this?
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Spacetrucker46
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Villa Wolfsbane
Originally by: Spacetrucker46
I find samless that you as DEV off eve take that cant off playing how gone tel me now that rest is not also fixt Claw
Your post left just one question unanswered.
That is - Just what were you trying to say?
that I find this cant off play not belong in tournament or you win or loss when you not can take the lost stop play tournaments so I find take both out this tournament and when dev agree on this cabt of playing then stiop with thos tournaments
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Shotty1135
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Hydra seem to have played this rather well.
Me telling you Agony didn't pay isn't going to convince anyone.
Now I'm not sure what really happened, but if you truely were getting metagamed by Hydra why didn't you order your Proteus to fly out of arena once you realized what was happening. You easily could have tossed the match before Hydra was able to. So quit it with the pity, you'll get none here. You controlled your fate and decided to take the cheap win, now you're realizing it probably wasn't the best decision. Deal with it
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