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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.06.06 15:26:00 -
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why?
Discuss.
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Alexi Blue
Serra Technologies
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Posted - 2010.06.06 15:27:00 -
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Deflation from P4 incident?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.06.06 15:31:00 -
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Well of course you should tank while doing plexes, I mean some of the harder ones (especially 10/10) you won't survive 30 seconds.
Furthermore, what are we talking about?
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Spruillo
Gallente
Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.06 16:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Brock Nelson
Well of course you should tank while doing plexes, I mean some of the harder ones (especially 10/10) you won't survive 30 seconds.
Furthermore, what are we talking about?
I lul'd
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Kephael
Caldari
SERENDIPITY INC
R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.06.06 16:36:00 -
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Tyrannis did not add anything of value so the players who rejoined are leaving.
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Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.06 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: clixoras
why?
Discuss.
Oh dear, the price dropped 7% since it peaked 10 days ago, the sky is falling!!!
Use your brain for once and do some research, instead of starting such a useless thread...
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Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
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Posted - 2010.06.06 17:02:00 -
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They aren't tanking but that graph screams "sell" to those listening.
Actually, the reason is quite simple. With the increased cost of ships post insurance (especially battleships) it costs a whole lot more to PvP. Which means the demographic selling PLEXes to fund eve gameplay (read: pvpers who don't grind) need to sell more to meet their ISK targets.
There may also be a decline in income from macro missioning (mission changes, longer hops for couriers) and macro mining (crashing low ends) which is placing downward pressure on demand.
Simple supply and demand here, nothing else. I've been liquidating my plex stores since the higher cost of battleships became apparent.
And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
Iridescent Moon
Caldari
Iridescent Dawn
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Posted - 2010.06.06 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
They aren't tanking but that graph screams "sell" to those listening.
Actually, the reason is quite simple. With the increased cost of ships post insurance (especially battleships) it costs a whole lot more to PvP. Which means the demographic selling PLEXes to fund eve gameplay (read: pvpers who don't grind) need to sell more to meet their ISK targets.
There may also be a decline in income from macro missioning (mission changes, longer hops for couriers) and macro mining (crashing low ends) which is placing downward pressure on demand.
Simple supply and demand here, nothing else. I've been liquidating my plex stores since the higher cost of battleships became apparent.
Holy crap! Hell must have frozen over. An honest, and accurate, post from Clair Bear. 
Speculators invested in PLEX prior to Tyranis expecting the normal rise in demand as a new patch is introduced. Even before the expansion launched PLEX began to drift downward in price. So, while Clair's commentary is partially correct it is not the entire story.
I think you have to add in the fact that overall Tyranis is the weakest expansion for Eve yet. So far all it has introduced is a series of nurfs (that were much needed for the most part). The big part of the expansion is PI and you still can't access it yet. Even then it is nearly a pure PvE addition to the game (for now). Slap on the fact that it is not well received by the player base. All that together means a lower number of people returning as well as adding/reactivating accounts. All that means less demand.
So, add my reason. Add Clair's reason. Add the fact that Clair is a speculator and say's sell. You now have 1 reason to add supply, one reason to remove demand and a reason for hoarders to dump. All that together equals lower PLEX prices.
PLEX for 200 million ISK by Christmas!!!
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Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
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Posted - 2010.06.06 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Iridescent Moon
Holy crap! Hell must have frozen over. An honest, and accurate, post from Clair Bear.
A bit unfair, no? I have posted plenty of useful, straightforward information in the past.
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I think you have to add in the fact that overall Tyranis is the weakest expansion for Eve yet.
There's been worse. The speed nerf patch was one where personally I took a 3 month break from eve. This patch has quite a bit to offer the 0.0 blob boys although you may be correct re: empire players, the "demand" side receiving less value than pre-patch and possibly taking a break until the next one. PI is a low reward click sink, I can't see it being enough of a draw to offset mission runners having to relocate to overcrowded mission hubs to make less isk/hour.
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Add the fact that Clair is a speculator and say's sell.
I simply pointed out that whatever time period you choose the plex chart is undergoing classic technical breakdown. If I saw that chart in the real world I'd be building some sort of short position on whatever it was. Since in eve that's not possible I don't mind sharing my observations.
PLEX for 200 million ISK by Christmas!!!
Probably too low of a target. As minerals slowly adjust down the cost of pvp will reduce and we'll be back to square one. Then again, if by some miracle the prediction of higher mineral prices and ships is true 150M/plex may just happen.
Oh yes, and the US is no longer in a massive recession. That might have something to do with supply as well.
And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
Iridescent Moon
Caldari
Iridescent Dawn
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:18:00 -
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While you have given a lot of info in teh past about PLEX most of it has been from a bearish stance, whether it was warranted or not. Your post, among others, was a contributor to the artificial rise in PLEX prices last year. Meaning supply was increasing and demand was not but prices rose because enough people fell for the "PLEX for a billion ISK" posts.
I was unsubbed last summer so I missed the nano nurf. I would disagree with your position there though. The Nano Nurf was sorely needed. PvP within Eve has improved so much since that change. Nano's created the "only" way to PvP, that needed to be fixed. Much like insurance and the Meta 1 Tech 0 BS loot that was delt with this patch. None the less it does not matter since this is a thread about PLEX not expansions.
As to the Quote:
PLEX for 200 million ISK by Christmas!!!
I ment that more as a joke. I was playing on your comments from last year of "PLEX for a Billion ISK by the end of the year!". Hence the LoL.
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Justin Conwell
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
Originally by: Iridescent Moon
Holy crap! Hell must have frozen over. An honest, and accurate, post from Clair Bear.
A bit unfair, no? I have posted plenty of useful, straightforward information in the past.
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I think you have to add in the fact that overall Tyranis is the weakest expansion for Eve yet.
There's been worse. The speed nerf patch was one where personally I took a 3 month break from eve. This patch has quite a bit to offer the 0.0 blob boys although you may be correct re: empire players, the "demand" side receiving less value than pre-patch and possibly taking a break until the next one. PI is a low reward click sink, I can't see it being enough of a draw to offset mission runners having to relocate to overcrowded mission hubs to make less isk/hour.
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Add the fact that Clair is a speculator and say's sell.
I simply pointed out that whatever time period you choose the plex chart is undergoing classic technical breakdown. If I saw that chart in the real world I'd be building some sort of short position on whatever it was. Since in eve that's not possible I don't mind sharing my observations.
PLEX for 200 million ISK by Christmas!!!
Probably too low of a target. As minerals slowly adjust down the cost of pvp will reduce and we'll be back to square one. Then again, if by some miracle the prediction of higher mineral prices and ships is true 150M/plex may just happen.
Oh yes, and the US is no longer in a massive recession. That might have something to do with supply as well.
I'm hoping Plex's don't go below 250 Mill. Also about the US is out of the recession, that may be true now but it might be heading for a second recession very quickly or at least my area could cause another recession due to what is going on with the current oil spill in the Gulf. I live in South Texas and my family works in the oil industry making the equipment.
Theres a lot of romurs floating around of the oil company leaving the US for South Africa, hense, higher gas pricing, and destroying the Houston area economy. Shutting down a lot of refineries.
This one along would cause another recession and higher pricing for a lot of stuff.
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2010.06.07 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Justin Conwell
Also about the US is out of the recession
Things were just starting to look up. What's killing us isn't fear of oil prices it's the f'uped EU market dragging us back down.
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Kephael
Caldari
SERENDIPITY INC
R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.06.07 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: PinkFish
Originally by: Justin Conwell
Also about the US is out of the recession
Things were just starting to look up. What's killing us isn't fear of oil prices it's the f'uped EU market dragging us back down.
My name is Ben Bernanke and I am going to quantitative ease into infinity.
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I CheckPrices
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:25:00 -
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I buy 1 plex a month, sometimes 1 every 30 days and when i'm feeling particularly frivolous i'll buy one just over every 4 weeks, true story.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: I CheckPrices
I buy 1 plex a month, sometimes 1 every 30 days and when i'm feeling particularly frivolous i'll buy one just over every 4 weeks, true story.
An interesting concept.
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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.06.07 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kephael
Tyrannis did not add anything of value so the players who rejoined are leaving.
Although i do agree with you that Tyrannis is kind of bleak i think quite the opposite is happening.
1. influx of new players (expansion and vacations are coming up)
2. high increase of alts for existing players (perhaps PI just gave some the push they needed to delve into industry. Also the Charisma based learning perhaps made people decide to get alts)
Quite a few of these 'new' players need some isk kickstart, hence the influx of plexes on the supply side. On the demand side, my feeling is that demand has stayed stable. In a (few) month(s) though, when the people start to get some income from PI/industry demand could rise.
IMO not a bad time to start buying plexes
The reason i initially got the idea that plexes where tanking is because not so very long ago they where 350/360, now 290/300 and still going down. In my book, that's quite a hit. If the RL stockmarket got hit that hard it would be all over the news.
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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2010.06.08 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: clixoras
The reason i initially got the idea that plexes where tanking is because not so very long ago they where 350/360, now 290/300 and still going down. In my book, that's quite a hit. If the RL stockmarket got hit that hard it would be all over the news.
It's possible that the price is crashing, but it could also be that they're just recovering from a short-term spike. PLEXes were at 260m not so long ago too (in March).
For reference, here are some daily The Forge averages for the past few months:
6/7/2010 - 299m
6/1/2010 - 312m
5/1/2010 - 307m
4/1/2010 - 286m
3/1/2010 - 262m
2/1/2010 - 272m
1/1/2010 - 259m
12/1/2009 - 297m
11/1/2009 - 278m
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Jean
Final Agony
B A N E
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Posted - 2010.06.08 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: PinkFish
Originally by: Justin Conwell
Also about the US is out of the recession
Things were just starting to look up. What's killing us isn't fear of oil prices it's the f'uped EU market dragging us back down.
Americans like you never seize to amaze me... Your government, run by coorporations, is cleaning out its citizens wallets and all you do is blame Europe?! You bought, chewed, swallowed and even enjoyed the crap your goverment is selling...
You are aware of the fact that the ever so mighty USofA is holder of the largest national debt in the history of humanity, right?
Zee Fakts
You could buy America several times over with that kind of money... In fact, if Europe, Asia and the Middle-East were to retract investments from US soil your country would be instantly bankrupted...
The only reason the EU market even got dented is because our money hungry banks were buying the sub-prime crap the USofA was repackaging in tinfoil and exporting to the rest of the world in an attempt to mitigate the eventual damage...
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marie claude
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.08 14:35:00 -
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i buy all plex you have for 25 isk
stop nerfing everything!!!
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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.06.10 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: marie claude
i buy all plex you have for 25 isk
troll school still have free places :)
In other news, set an low-ball buy order yesterday which i was sure of that it wouldnt fill. but guess what.. And that's 10m below it was yesterday. Volume has increased significantly as well since Tyrannis.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2010.06.10 08:19:00 -
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Off-topic content and posts have been cleaned.
Please keep all your posts on topic.
Thanks.
Applebabe
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