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Messoroz	Posted - 2010.06.07 01:03:00 - [31] Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Sunday afternoon, and once again I am unable to login to Jita because it is traffic controlled. While my tradeskills are sufficiently high that I can do most things from one system over, it's ridiculous that I can't login to my namesake. Why the hardcap? Jita was fine in Dominion, and wasn't Tyrannis supposed to solve some lag issues? You had weeks and weeks of "mass-testing" and even delayed the release of Tyrannis to "refactor code". Further, the client feels more responsive in Tyrannis -- I can see improvements. It's also frustrating that a large percent of the Jita population are simply scam botters that sit there all day and spam local with whatever the flavor du jour of contract or trade scam may be. Why doesn't CCP have GMs monitoring the system, removing people from Jita who are most likely afk and not actually doing anything in-system other than spamming local anyway. In fact, the way CCP handles the Jita traffic cap encourages behaviour such that the next time I can get into jita, I just idle there afk with the client minimized so that I can stay there. In short, CCP's handling of the system is terrible, and like most other terrible aspects of Eve, unlikely to change for the better anytime soon. It's pretty obvious that CCP wants you losers to stop depending on Jita so much, it is a bastard child that wasn't meant to happen.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.07 01:19:00 - [32] This guy. Hey, guy. You do realize that people like you are WHY Jita is so congested? If you spread out, the spam bots wouldn't be able to follow you as effectively - it's your choice to pack into a single star system that makes it so lucrative.
Kerfira The Scope	Posted - 2010.06.07 06:56:00 - [33] Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Whine If Jita is annoying you so much, isn't is damn foolish of you to go there??? You're part of the problem, not the solution... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
the gurgler	Posted - 2010.06.07 07:35:00 - [34] If you've been following the news recently, you know that I don't need to do a lot of research to be confident in stating that "censorious" is the least offensive adjective that accurately describes CCP. However, you might not know that CCP always says the most self-centered things. For starters, CCP plans to produce precisely the alienation and conflict needed to break the mind and spirit, castrate the character, and kill the career of anyone whose ideas it deems to be overweening by next weekend. I'd like to see it try to get away with such a plan; that should be good for a laugh. You see, most people have already observed that CCP's quips are merely childish attempts at ridicule. More than that, CCP's hatchet jobs are eerily similar to those promoted by madmen such as Pol Pot. What's scary, though, is that their extollment of officialism has been ratcheted up a few notches from anything Pol Pot ever conjured up. CCP's analects stink of cover-ups, stalls, diversionary tactics, legal maneuverings, and other measures that let down ladders that the soporific, refractory, and inarticulate scramble to climb. Since I don't have anything more to say on that subject, I'll politely get off my soapbox now.
RatKnight1 Gallente Mahdi Followers	Posted - 2010.06.07 07:44:00 - [35] Forget what happened in Jita... the line at the Jita gate in Perimeter was a suicide gankers dream come true... good thing I was in a shuttle... Lol [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=RatKnight1][/u
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.06.07 08:34:00 - [36] Jita has to be dealt with. It's a black hole, the more it produces turnover the more it attracts more people. Problem is, database transactions also grow exponentially and hammer the already reinforced server. Other - and bigger - problem is about scalability. Imagine EvE doubles playerbase again. One of the effects is that Jita will have up to 2800 in local. Perma-crash anyone? Jita needs what they have done with congested mission hubs: something to force people spread around it or (even better) to go to other market hubs. Sure it sucks being forced in a sandbox game but technology can do just so much, expecially when Microsoft powered (and no, it's too late to change that). - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2010.06.07 09:42:00 - [37] Jita is actually fine when you don't go there on weekends. I like it for my shopping trips, but yeah, do them from Monday-Friday, maybe Saturday morning. Never go there on a Sunday, especially not with a live feed cam infront of the undock.
Lumy Minmatar eXceed Inc. HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.07 10:20:00 - [38] Do you remember, when Jita was lagged to hell at ~500 people? Doog times... Joomla! in EVE - IGB compatible CMS.
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.06.07 10:52:00 - [39] Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Why the hardcap? Jita was fine in Dominion, and wasn't Tyrannis supposed to solve some lag issues? Jita was capped at 1400 in Dominion as well.
Lord Wamphyri Amarr Starside Lost	Posted - 2010.06.07 11:08:00 - [40] I miss Yulai My EVE Tattoo! My Second EVE Tattoo!
ovenproofjet Caldari Therapy. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.06.07 11:44:00 - [41] One of the best ways CCP could solve Jita lag is to prevent PvP in the system, yesterday just proves people we're killing each other to bring in the CONCORD spawns to lag the system even further. I know it defeats the purpose of the sandbox but Jita is the ultimate example of what the sandbox can produce given enough time
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.06.07 12:07:00 - [42] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/06/2010 12:06:55 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Jita has to be dealt with. Jita is bloody well fine. It hasn't been lagging for me in ages; and having a large central hub where you can buy and sell literally everything (and typically get it cheapest) is great. Superhubs are a cool thing. As for the "database load increases exponentially", you make that bold claim about how database load increases based on what, exactly? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Gwydion Telcontar Gallente Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.06.07 14:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/06/2010 12:06:55 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Jita has to be dealt with. As for the "database load increases exponentially", you make that bold claim about how database load increases based on what, exactly? If you dig far enough and long enough, numbers come flying out one's butt.
Dhaul Minmatar Agent-Orange	Posted - 2010.06.07 15:24:00 - [44] If EVE is a sandbox then Jita is like the dog turd rolling around in it collecting sand.
Illwill Bill House of Tempers	Posted - 2010.06.07 15:52:00 - [45] Edited by: Illwill Bill on 07/06/2010 15:53:08 Originally by: omgfreemoniez ... but it's almost mandatory to have at least one Baloney! Rens works just as well, as long as you have enough glass beads to trade to the Brutor. Edit: LOL, *******s is filtered out. Additionally, it really infuriates me, when people use some pointless rant about signatures as a sig.
Gunnanmon Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.06.07 17:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Mazzarins Demise ... its the trade bots that sit in jita 23/7 that are the problem. But they are paying accounts too. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Amrumm Rhetorical Devices	Posted - 2010.06.07 17:23:00 - [47] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Chribba Jita is capped at 1,400 atm, and 400 of those are infront of the Jitacam for the AT feed O hai, iz in mah shuttle, bein all big on screen Sorry, you are wrong, that clearly was my Caldari shuttle doing the cool stuff. Honestly though CCP should have Jita cam running 23/7.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.07 18:22:00 - [48] People who go to Jita and then complain about being in Jita... -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.06.07 19:47:00 - [49] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/06/2010 12:06:55 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Jita has to be dealt with. As for the "database load increases exponentially", you make that bold claim about how database load increases based on what, exactly? Database transactions due to trading increase by a linear amout as the players keep adding up. Then a further non linear increase adds up because the more the traders, the more often new transactions are made to outbid each other. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Aliea Konovalev Amarr	Posted - 2010.06.07 21:13:00 - [50] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Jita has to be dealt with. It's a black hole, the more it produces turnover the more it attracts more people. Jita needs what they have done with congested mission hubs: something to force people spread around it or (even better) to go to other market hubs. Sure it sucks being forced in a sandbox game but technology can do just so much, expecially when Microsoft powered (and no, it's too late to change that). Yes lets breakup the jita market hub, because that worked so well with yulia didn't it? Unless you make some major changes to how the market works trade hubs are going to happen.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.06.07 21:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Jita needs what they have done with congested mission hubs: something to force people spread around it or (even better) to go to other market hubs. Sure it sucks being forced in a sandbox game but technology can do just so much, expecially when Microsoft powered (and no, it's too late to change that). Something like say.. a hard player cap in jita to promote the training of remote trade skills hmmm? Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone! Originally by: Marchocias + = +
Terrax Norik	Posted - 2010.06.07 21:18:00 - [52] Originally by: Aliea Konovalev Yes lets breakup the jita market hub, because that worked so well with yulia didn't it? Unless you make some major changes to how the market works trade hubs are going to happen. Some just need a history lesson don't they. Jita isn't the first Market Hub. Jita formed because of what they did with the last one. It's human nature to create a "Market Place".
Wideen Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.06.07 23:04:00 - [53] Originally by: omgfreemoniez Jita's full because of market alts like you. EVE would be so much better without alts... but it's almost mandatory to have at least one I agree with this. But since CCP, like most companies, is profit driven they wouldn't limit people to only one account. It'd still be cool though
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.07 23:16:00 - [54] Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Sunday afternoon, and once again I am unable to login to Jita because it is traffic controlled. While my tradeskills are sufficiently high that I can do most things from one system over, it's ridiculous that I can't login to my namesake. Why the hardcap? Jita was fine in Dominion, and wasn't Tyrannis supposed to solve some lag issues? You had weeks and weeks of "mass-testing" and even delayed the release of Tyrannis to "refactor code". Further, the client feels more responsive in Tyrannis -- I can see improvements. It's also frustrating that a large percent of the Jita population are simply scam botters that sit there all day and spam local with whatever the flavor du jour of contract or trade scam may be. Why doesn't CCP have GMs monitoring the system, removing people from Jita who are most likely afk and not actually doing anything in-system other than spamming local anyway. In fact, the way CCP handles the Jita traffic cap encourages behaviour such that the next time I can get into jita, I just idle there afk with the client minimized so that I can stay there. In short, CCP's handling of the system is terrible, and like most other terrible aspects of Eve, unlikely to change for the better anytime soon. So you're saying you have the right to be in jita, just because its your 'namesake', but i dont have the right to be in jita and idle while i watch AT8? What if i call my character "Jita AFKer" am i allowed to then idle in jita since its my namesake also? Also, about the mass testing, nobody shows up for them. CCP advertizes them and really, really tries to get people to come, but nobody shows up. CCP specificly asks the major 0.0 alliances to come and playtest, and they fail to show up. And then the next day you see a post like this, from some 0.0 alliance member complaining that the lag still isnt fixed, even though they never bothered to show up and help CCP test it. Jita is closed off at 1400 people, im sure its a better idea then letting the node crash at 2000 people. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2010.06.07 23:26:00 - [55] Lsts be honest here. Theres no way for CCP to nerf jita in other way to separate hi sec empires through lo-sec. So instead they should adapt and make jita run with higher power. MORE POWER TO JITA !!!!!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.06.08 00:42:00 - [56] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 08/06/2010 00:43:42 Quote: Some just need a history lesson don't they And some others need a logics lesson, don't they? If the game keeps increasing subscriptions faster than new hardware can be thrown at supporting an ever expanding Jita, one day it'll have to be capped (till a new hardware iteration, which is far from often) or split in some way. Edit: "have to be capped = at a value that will not be the 90% of those who want to enter like today but at something insufficient like 50%" - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Arushia Nova Labs Labores Solis Insidiae	Posted - 2010.06.08 06:05:00 - [57] Whatever happened to the "Interbus delivery" option CCP was talking about for a while? Buy your goods in Jita, pay a small fee to a NPC corp, then they're delivered to Perimeter for you in a few minutes. New Eden Research, where your research gets eaten by a Goon!
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.06.08 07:31:00 - [58] Originally by: Arushia Whatever happened to the "Interbus delivery" option CCP was talking about for a while? Buy your goods in Jita, pay a small fee to a NPC corp, then they're delivered to Perimeter for you in a few minutes. I hope not! Since the cap on courier contracts was listed we now have a number of excellent player-run freight services. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Kerfira The Scope	Posted - 2010.06.08 07:40:00 - [59] Edited by: Kerfira on 08/06/2010 07:41:15 Originally by: Arushia Whatever happened to the "Interbus delivery" option CCP was talking about for a while? Buy your goods in Jita, pay a small fee to a NPC corp, then they're delivered to Perimeter for you in a few minutes. Most likely never going to happen! CCP is (probably) not stupid enough to kill off a player profession... If NPC hauling was to be implemented, it would have to be NO BETTER than player offered options, meaning: 1. NPC haulers had to be gankable (with player goods lost) 2. No collateral (otherwise too easy to 'game') 3. NPC haulers corp had to be wardec'able 4. Transport would take 1-3 days 5. Cost would be 0.5-1 million per jump And in that case, it wouldn't be worth implementing... So, most likely never going to happen! The player offered courier options are good enough! Use them! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Chasgar Northstar Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.08 08:03:00 - [60] Edited by: Chasgar on 08/06/2010 08:02:53 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UrIJpNXR4k :)

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