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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.07 04:59:00 -
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Okay, so i did my bestest maths and used the AT7 rankings list as a precedent to make sure i minimized as many mistakes as possible.
Two teams scored more than maximum points due to the "if you win with less points fielded" rule. So don't ask about that please!
I think that wherever a question mark could be placed upon the ranking number, the schedule itself won't be affected, but i can't be certain of that (eg. Pandemic Legion and BANE are equal in all aspects, but they will face each other no matter how you sort the ranking - sorry BANE, that's just cruel luck tbh).
Another example of rank sorting where i had to use my best judgement, was with the PL, BANE and HUN situation. Seeing as The Tusker Bastards fielded only 99 pts and HUN fielded 100, whereas all the others all field 100 against each other, it made sense that HUN would rank lower than PL and BANE. Unless CCP see it as Tuskers ranking higher than Dead Terrorists and Unaffiliated, in which case it botches a lot of the schedule!
Anyway, as my corp/alliance mates know i can talk for billions of years without making a point, here are the possible rankings:
Rank | Alliance | W | L | QR1 Pts | QR2 Pts | Pts Total | Last Win (or Loss) vs. Rank
1Against ALL Authorities1012612637 2Rote Kapelle1012612657 3Agony Empire1012512533 4Ushra'Khan1012512534 5Dystopia Alliance1012512535 6The Kadeshi1012512536 7Cry Havoc.1012512539 8BricK sQuAD.1012512540 9DarkSide.1012512541 10RAZOR Alliance1012512542 11Pandemic Legion1012512543 12BANE1012512544 13HUN Reloaded1012512545 14Monks of War.1012512546 15Paisti Syndicate1012512547 16Majesta Empire1012512548 17THE SPACE P0LICE1012512549 18The G0dfathers1012512550 19The Wrong Alliance1012512551 20Negative Ten.1012512552 21Electus Matari1012512553 22WE FORM VOLTRON1012512554 23Circle-Of-Two1012512556 24Get Off My Lawn1012512558 25Atlas Alliance1012512559 26RED.Overlord1012512560 27R.A.G.E1012512561 28THE R0NIN1012512562 29SOLAR FLEET1012512563 30T o r m e n t u m1012512564 31death from above..1012012055 32Leguinea Romana1010510538 33HYDRA RELOADED0184843 34Old Intentions0166664 35Morsus Mihi0155555 36Pitch Black Legion0152526 37Perihelion Alliance0151511 38Electric Monkey Overlords01505032 39Plutonix0144447 40Panda Team0136368 41Curatores Veritatis Alliance0130309 42Manifest Destiny.01282810 43Dead Terrorists01191911 44Unaffiliated01191912 45The Tusker Bastards01191913 46The Important Internet Spaceship League01181814 47Mos Vape Heavy Industries01171715 48Beyond Virginity01141416 49Snatch Victory01141417 50OWN Alliance01121218 51Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate01101019 52Soldiers of Thunderstorm019920 53Veni Vidi Vici019921 54Honourable Templum of Alcedonia018822 55Noir. Mercenary Group016631 56Indecisive Certainty015523 57Silver Twilight Enterprises01002 58Arbeitaholics Anonymous010024 59Intrepid Crossing010025 60Erebus Alliance010026 61Eve Engineering010027 62Huzzah Federation010028 63Ivy League010029 64The Star Fraction010030
To explain the way i ranked the teams that scored zero points:
I looked at how many points the losing team fielded vs. how many the winning team fielded. Teams that put themselves at the HIGHEST DISADVANTAGE ranked the highest (Arbeitaholics fielded 97 vs 100, Intrepid Crossing fielded 99 vs 100) and vice versa (the rest fielded 100 vs 100, except Erebus, where both team disadvantaged themselves to field 99 each).
I hope that makes good sense.
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:03:00 -
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Kinda hoping CCP clears this up soon. Have seen us put at 1st, 2nd, and 3rd now in the span of an hour by three different sets of maths. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:06:00 -
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RESERVED
Working on schedule now...
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchanalian Kinda hoping CCP clears this up soon. Have seen us put at 1st, 2nd, and 3rd now in the span of an hour by three different sets of maths.
AAA vs. Rote Kapelle is a match i can guarantee, i'm very confident of that.
Both of your teams scored 126 pts and as nobody else scored higher, you will definately face each other. If you'd like, send me your email address in game and i'll happily send you the spreadsheet so you can check it up in a clearer format.
By no means am i suggesting that everything i've stated is a fact though, i could be wrong about some of the methods CCP use, but i'm certain the maths is spot on.
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Kay Rizen
Minmatar Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:19:00 -
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Doesn't "5. Unused points will be added to the opponents score." mean if Rote Kappel and Erebus both bring 99 points, and Rote Kappel wins, they get 99 points of ship kills + 25 points for winning + 1 point that Erebus didnt bring = 125 points? Just wonderin.
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Thresh Avery on 07/06/2010 05:34:02 Edited by: Thresh Avery on 07/06/2010 05:31:52
Originally by: Kay Rizen Doesn't "5. Unused points will be added to the opponents score." mean if Rote Kappel and Erebus both bring 99 points, and Rote Kappel wins, they get 99 points of ship kills + 25 points for winning + 1 point that Erebus didnt bring = 125 points? Just wonderin.
No, the rules state that you get +25% added to your score for winning, not +25 points. Though tbh i don't fully understand the question you're asking.
However you discovered a fatal flaw in my maffs! I used the AT8 website for the match results to work out the points scored for each team and didn't factor in the fact a few winning teams fielded 99 or whatever to add to their opponent's score. Back to ze spreadsheet!
EDIT: I made the changes, but it seems it actually affected nothing but Erebus and Silver Twilight Enterprises getting 1 point total. Lucky break...
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Kay Rizen
Minmatar Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:32:00 -
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OK so yea it's, 99 points killed + 1 for their opponent bringing 99 +25% for winning = 125.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.07 07:54:00 -
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I had the same question last year, and no, you can't break 125 points. The 25% is calculated on the amount of points you've won in the match, which is killed points + points not fielded by other team.
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sp3cial forc3s
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.06.07 08:05:00 -
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Nice work. I really hope you are correct with your schedule, my greatest fear was being drawn when England were teaching USA a lesson.
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A HOBO
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.06.07 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: A HOBO on 07/06/2010 10:24:20
ignore me
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.07 10:58:00 -
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Some rankings have MM vs Perihelion, this one has Pitch Black. Which one is right?
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Cividari
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.06.07 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: QwaarJet Some rankings have MM vs Perihelion, this one has Pitch Black. Which one is right?
Perihelion should be above Pitch Black since Perihelion's opponent has a higher score than Pitch Black's.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.06.07 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx I had the same question last year, and no, you can't break 125 points. The 25% is calculated on the amount of points you've won in the match, which is killed points + points not fielded by other team.
I believe you can get more than 125 points if you field fewer points than your opponent and win: Team A fields 90 points, Team B fields 100 Team A kills all of team B with no losses Team B receives 10 points (the 10 that team A didn't field) Team A receives 100 points for killing 100 points worth of ships, 10 points for bringing 10pts fewer and winning, and +25% for a total of (100+10)*1.25 = 137.5 points. Then again I've been wrong about this in the past - does this sound wrong to anyone? ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.07 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx I had the same question last year, and no, you can't break 125 points. The 25% is calculated on the amount of points you've won in the match, which is killed points + points not fielded by other team.
The rules are different this year. (handicap bonus points)
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.07 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cividari
Originally by: QwaarJet Some rankings have MM vs Perihelion, this one has Pitch Black. Which one is right?
Perihelion should be above Pitch Black since Perihelion's opponent has a higher score than Pitch Black's.
Ah, perfect, you're completely right. Sorry about the mistake - i've fixed it now.
I think that only affected two match ups though so it's not as bad as i thought it may be!
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.06.07 13:53:00 -
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Isn't rewarding a poor performance in the first round a poor way of making sure the best teams move on? Are there problems with rewarding a strong 1st round performance with a pairing against a team that had a weak 1st round perfomance? I admit I haven't really thought this through, but this just seems odd to me.
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Moir Mukkula
GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:05:00 -
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Added code tags for readability.
Rank Alliance W L QR1 Pts Last Win (or Loss) vs. Rank
1 Against ALL Authorities 1 0 126 37 2 Rote Kapelle 1 0 126 58 3 Agony Empire 1 0 125 33 4 Ushra'Khan 1 0 125 34 5 Dystopia Alliance 1 0 125 35 6 The Kadeshi 1 0 125 36 7 Cry Havoc. 1 0 125 39 8 BricK sQuAD. 1 0 125 40 9 DarkSide. 1 0 125 41 10RAZOR Alliance 1 0 125 42 11Pandemic Legion 1 0 125 43 12 BANE 1 0 125 44 13 HUN Reloaded 1 0 125 45 14 Monks of War. 1 0 125 46 15 Paisti Syndicate 1 0 125 47 16 Majesta Empire 1 0 125 48 17 THE SPACE P0LICE 1 0 125 49 18 The G0dfathers 1 0 125 50 19 The Wrong Alliance 1 0 125 51 20 Negative Ten. 1 0 125 52 21 Electus Matari 1 0 125 53 22 WE FORM VOLTRON 1 0 125 54 23 Circle-Of-Two 1 0 125 56 24 RED.Overlord 1 0 125 57 25 Get Off My Lawn 1 0 125 59 26 Atlas Alliance 1 0 125 60 27 R.A.G.E 1 0 125 61 28 THE R0NIN 1 0 125 62 29 SOLAR FLEET 1 0 125 63 30 T o r m e n t u m 1 0 125 64 31 death from above.. 1 0 120 55 32 Leguinea Romana 1 0 105 38 33 HYDRA RELOADED 0 1 84 3 34 Old Intentions 0 1 66 4 35 Morsus Mihi 0 1 55 5 36 Perihelion Alliance 0 1 52 1 37 Pitch Black Legion 0 1 52 6 38 Electric Monkey Overlord0 1 50 32 39 Plutonix 0 1 45 7 40 Panda Team 0 1 36 8 41 Curatores Veritatis Alli0 1 30 9 42 Manifest Destiny. 0 1 28 10 43 Dead Terrorists 0 1 19 11 44 Unaffiliated 0 1 19 12 45 The Tusker Bastards 0 1 19 13 46 The IISL0 1 18 14 47 Mos Vape Heavy Industrie0 1 17 15 48 Beyond Virginity 0 1 14 16 49 Snatch Victory 0 1 14 17 50 OWN Alliance 0 1 12 18 51 Interstellar Alcohol Con0 1 10 19 52 Soldiers of Thunderstorm0 1 9 20 53 Veni Vidi Vici 0 1 9 21 54 Honourable Templum of Al0 1 8 22 55 Noir. Mercenary Group 0 1 6 31 56 Indecisive Certainty 0 1 5 23 57 Erebus Alliance 0 1 1 24 58 Silver Twilight Enterpri0 1 1 2 59 Arbeitaholics Anonymous 0 1 0 25 60 Intrepid Crossing 0 1 0 26 61 Eve Engineering 0 1 0 27 62 Huzzah Federation 0 1 0 28 63 Ivy League 0 1 0 29 64 The Star Fraction 0 1 0 30
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steave435
Caldari Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.06.07 16:32:00 -
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Quote: Another example of rank sorting where i had to use my best judgement, was with the PL, BANE and HUN situation. Seeing as The Tusker Bastards fielded only 99 pts and HUN fielded 100, whereas all the others all field 100 against each other, it made sense that HUN would rank lower than PL and BANE.
I'd expect it to just be a random draw instead tbh. All 3 teams have the exact same points killed and lost without nothing else to properly distinguish them.
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Huan CK
Gallente GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: steave435
Quote: Another example of rank sorting where i had to use my best judgement, was with the PL, BANE and HUN situation. Seeing as The Tusker Bastards fielded only 99 pts and HUN fielded 100, whereas all the others all field 100 against each other, it made sense that HUN would rank lower than PL and BANE.
I'd expect it to just be a random draw instead tbh. All 3 teams have the exact same points killed and lost without nothing else to properly distinguish them.
Maybe time taken to achieve the victory? :D ---------
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Olivor
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Posted - 2010.06.07 18:22:00 -
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Rankings
Quote: If at any point, teams are level in Win/Loss and also level in points scored, the following will be used in order to determine ranking position.
1. If the teams disputing rank have fought each other at any point, the winner is higher.
2. The current ranking (W/L, then points) of the last team that you defeated. Higher is better.
3. The current ranking of the last team that defeated you. Again, higher is better.
So to be honest it's just best to assume all teams who have the same number of points, and their opponents have equal points are put at a "joint" position. E.G.
Get Off My Lawn, Atlas Alliance, R.A.G.E, THE R0NIN, SOLAR FLEET, T o r m e n t u m
are all joint 25th.
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Derwent
Free Lapland The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.06.07 21:00:00 -
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fukken post the real schedule already. i will **** my pants if i have to face dystopia
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.07 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Derwent fukken post the real schedule already. i will **** my pants if i have to face dystopia
ahaha thanks
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