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NitricEster	Posted - 2010.06.09 06:29:00 - [1] My corp has been war deced several times in the past few weeks. I'd have to say that it hasn't been fun! We aren't a small corp either. I ask that when there is a war dec all alts on the same account and all alts on other accounts created by the same person (billing or contact information) be valid targets. If the war is declared mutual then all alts be considered valid war targets on both sides. If the war is not mutual then only alts on the decing side are valid targets. I know that everyone is going to say that this has always been a part of eve but honestly in RL unless you are some sort of spy or identity thief...you don't get to have eyes on your target at all times. CVA fell because of similar issues. Haven't you heard of the fog of war? There is none in this game and no element of surprise. It's one thing to have a cloaked ship...it's another to have your enemy right next to you and able to sum up your entire fleet with the press of a button and for you to not be able to do anything about it. Without the fog of war everything comes down to numbers, skill points and types of ships. This would solve the remote repping problem...for an honest netural to remote rep is one thing...for some alt char to remote rep is just down right cheating.
IcanhasyouStuff	Posted - 2010.06.09 07:23:00 - [2] Originally by: NitricEster I ask that when there is a war dec all alts on the same account and all alts on other accounts created by the same person (billing or contact information) be valid targets. You pay isk to be able shoot everyone in a certain corporation or alliance. That is ALL you should get. If their alts bother you dec that corp/alliance too.
NitricEster	Posted - 2010.06.09 07:33:00 - [3] Originally by: IcanhasyouStuff Originally by: NitricEster I ask that when there is a war dec all alts on the same account and all alts on other accounts created by the same person (billing or contact information) be valid targets. You pay isk to be able shoot everyone in a certain corporation or alliance. That is ALL you should get. If their alts bother you dec that corp/alliance too. I"m not talking about the corp that does the war decing being able to shoot at any alts. I'm talking about the defending corp that was deced being able to shoot at alts. So the paying corp doesn't get to shoot at alts. Also most "eyes" are in noob corps so declaring a war on a noob corp with countless members probably isn't a good idea...if it's even possible??? At least one fleet that was roaming in CVA space right before they fell was nothing but neutrals cloaked up in completely random corps. So in a null sec example you'd have to war dec about 20 different corps just to be able to attack members of that fleet 24 hours after they already ganked you. (but null sec right so why bother?) My point is if you use alts to stab corp members in the back or if you use alts as eyes so no one knows who you really are...or if you use alts to form a fleet in null sec and attack your enemy (for corps that are NRDS in null sec this obviously is a problem)...there should be a way to track the connection between alts in game.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.09 08:13:00 - [4] It cant happen because of same reason you cant outlaw alts, you can never know which alts belongs to who for sure (and ccp earns too much money due to it). Originally by: IcanhasyouStuff Originally by: NitricEster I ask that when there is a war dec all alts on the same account and all alts on other accounts created by the same person (billing or contact information) be valid targets. You pay isk to be able shoot everyone in a certain corporation or alliance. That is ALL you should get. If their alts bother you dec that corp/alliance too. tbh he has a point. High sec wardeccers usually are telling the mining/mission running/rookie corporations they wardec that eve is a pvp game and they shouldnt complain, while at the same time they have alts for their own completely risk free isk making.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Xenogenesis Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.09 10:11:00 - [5] Let me get this straight. You want more war targets and your tired of war-dec's. Yeah... makes sense... PS: I dare you to have the foolishness to tell me that only you can shoot said alternates. That's just begging to get trolled. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.09 17:20:00 - [6] Yes, the game won't know it's an alt if it's on different accounts. This won't work.
NitricEster	Posted - 2010.06.09 17:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Drake Draconis Let me get this straight. You want more war targets and your tired of war-dec's. Yeah... makes sense... PS: I dare you to have the foolishness to tell me that only you can shoot said alternates. That's just begging to get trolled. I don't know how much more I can explain this. If a corp is going to try and defend itself from a war dec it needs to be able to attack the pirate corp that is attacking them. If the pirate corp can have eyes on you at all times and know exactly what your fleet is doing...and you have no way to stop that...how can you even consider building a fleet to counter attack when the pirate corp has spent every second of their eve time training their toons skills up for tech 2 guns and tech 2/faction ships. You come in with a fleet of all battleships and they have a fleet twice your size just waiting. You come in with 1 tech 2 recon they have a fleet of faction ships waiting. It's impossible to defend yourself because there is no element of surprise. At least if they don't know you're coming you may stand somewhat of a chance. It is entirely possible to link accounts based on whoever is paying it and whoever supplied their contact info for the account. You just have to carry that link into the game.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Xenogenesis Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.09 17:43:00 - [8] First off your completely missing the point. Secondly... did you realize that the "spies" your talking about are usually the ones in your corporation? Duh? Time for you to walk away... your wasting your time. You have no concept of war-decs... you barely understand the mechanics... asking CCP to change it to the way you suggested it would completely unbalance a already broken mechanic. We're done here... I'm not feeding this troll anymore. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
NitricEster	Posted - 2010.06.09 18:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Drake Draconis First off your completely missing the point. Secondly... did you realize that the "spies" your talking about are usually the ones in your corporation? Duh? Time for you to walk away... your wasting your time. You have no concept of war-decs... you barely understand the mechanics... asking CCP to change it to the way you suggested it would completely unbalance a already broken mechanic. We're done here... I'm not feeding this troll anymore. Yeah I think you're just mad cause you've used an alt for similar reasons yourself. This would solve the problem of spies in a corp as well unless someone wants to tarnish their ingame persona (which is not just one alt but all of their alts). The entire point of CCP not allowing a player to change their name is to show that what you do in the game sticks with you. I'm just trying to carry that to having alts as well. Your behavior in the game should reflect how all of your alts are treated. Seems simple enough. Honestly the only people that would have a problem with this are those that have cheated people in the game. Those that skip off to an alt why they war dec someone else. Those that form random fleets of random corps to attack a corp in null sec that has a NRDS policy. If you want to be a spy then by all means be one...I'm just saying that if eve is supposed to be like real life you shouldn't be able to pull the same trick twice. You shouldn't be able to declare war on someone and then choose your Battles based entirely on the fact that you always know what the enemy has at all times. Spies, eyes, corp hopping alts designed to not be targets to NRDS corps... I'm not sure why you're getting all emotional about this. I'm making a suggestion that makes perfect sense.


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