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Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.16 13:14:00 - [1] - Quote I think youre missing the point. If you want to et into low/null you have to organised. Either you go in solo and at times and places where you avoid the camps OR you make friends and go break the camps.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.16 13:34:00 - [2] - Quote I think these old geezers are more against allowing everyone and his dog to roam around the space they work to protect/control. If you want to explore the game the focus should be to make friends and work as a team to do that. Isn't that what the campers have done to get to that position in the first place?
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.16 14:08:00 - [3] - Quote Danny Diamonds wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: I think these old geezers are more against allowing everyone and his dog to roam around the space they work to protect/control. If you want to explore the game the focus should be to make friends and work as a team to do that. Isn't that what the campers have done to get to that position in the first place? Are you saying it is too much work to actually have to hunt down infiltrators and fight them in a fair fight? No. I'm saying every Tom, ** and Harry shouldn't be able to move in and out of losec/nullsec with impunity when people are working as a team to prevent that. Both sides should always have to work to obtain the upper hand. What you talk about gives the upper hand to the gate crasher, especially the gate crasher who already knows what he's doing. Tipping the scales in the way you suggest ignores the fact that there are already people who know how to avoid/break/destroy said camps.** Also why does it have to fair? edit- bolded the important part.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.16 14:23:00 - [4] - Quote Danny Diamonds wrote: I only meant "fair" in terms of not taking advantage of someone passing a transition and waiting for a screen load. Hunt them down in a 20-man fleet or hotdrop a few carriers on their BS. That is all good. You do realise the player in transition is cloaked. Giving him ample to time to load and asses the situation on the other side, right? Now I'm not entirely sure where you point on fairness really stands. If the players not equiped to handle a camp why is he jumping into losec unscouted and unprepared? Players are using teamwork to camp a gate. Why should players be excused from requiring teamwork to break said camp? Danny Diamonds wrote: Note, AGAIN-- I have said like 5 times now my stance is in regards to HI-LOW transitions, NOT NULL. They are not the same. You do know the difference right? I read and understood that clearly. It just so happens that my stance doesn't differentiate between the two.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.16 14:33:00 - [5] - Quote Danny Diamonds wrote: Not asking CCP to make things easier. I am asking them to put RISK on the side of the gate campers. Instead of camping a gate and mindlessly playing whack-a-mole, let them scan down their prey. Make them get off their security blanket of abusing the gate jump mechanics and actually engage someone who is ready for a fight. Whats the problem, you don't want to be shot back while camping? Stop trying to twist this into some kind of "I am awesomer conversation, get skills". It is pathetic how gate campers want to sit in a low risk area and shoot fish in a barrel that cant shoot back as easily. Hiding behind the "dont make it easier" is laughable. I want it to be HARDER on the gate camper because they have little risk. HARDER, not easier. The risk on both sides is equal. The campers risk a prepared gang jumping in and taking them out just the same as the jumper risks jumping into a prepared camp.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.16 14:58:00 - [6] - Quote Danny Diamonds wrote: Do I think it is good for player retention to let gate campers sit on a gate and farm ships that have a disadvantage due to the nature of the zone transition? No. I think you need to elaborate on this point some more because I'm not seeing it.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.16 15:20:00 - [7] - Quote He's ignoring me. Does that mean I won?
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.16 17:36:00 - [8] - Quote Barakach wrote: Be bullies all you want, just stay out of our playground and we'll stay out of yours. If you want to come to our playground, then play by our rules. If you want to change our rules, then we should be free to change your rules, it's only fair. So what youre saying is your motivation, if any, to change lowsec mechanics is out of spite rather than a desire actually improve the game? Danny Diamonds wrote: The previous posts are proof enough that gate campers don't actually want a fight. They just want to gank without risk. Otherwise, they would have been all for the idea of allowing people with high security rating to shoot the gankers first. Bullies don't like fair fights; it is only fun for them when they can look tough in a tilted fight and pat each other on the butt when they kill a noob on alpha. They should get rid of gate guns in losec. That way the only thing holding you back from shooting first is a minor sec hit.
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.17 01:45:00 - [9] - Quote Did anybody else just feel the stupid in this thread go up?
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.17 01:49:00 - [10] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Did anybody else feel the stupid in this thread go up? Yeah, generally anytime Tarsus posts Thats funny because I was talking about you.

Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 199	Posted - 2012.07.17 02:13:00 - [11] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Aruken Marr wrote: Did anybody else feel the stupid in this thread go up? Yeah, generally anytime Tarsus posts Thats funny because I was talking about you. Its more funny you think I care Or that anyone does for that matter Oh dear. Youre clearly a rebel without a cause.

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