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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:34:00 -
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I like how the high sec dweller falls into the usual selfish, self-centered stereotype. Eve is a sandbox, if you don't like players doing something... stop them. Why are you folks always incapable of helping yourselves? You always run to CCP, begging them to nerf something, instead of taking care of the problem on your own.
You don't want gates camped? Stop thinking only about yourself for once, stop thinking about Eve as a solo venture for once, make some friends and go blow the campers up. It really isn't hard: something fast to scout the camp, something tanked to hell to bait them, a black bird tailored for their ships and some dps. Boom, boom, boom, dead pirates. They're just as cowardly as you are; they'll be too busy trying to flee to fight back effectively.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
711
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:36:00 -
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Danny Diamonds wrote:
This idea I really like. I have always felt that people with crappy sec ratings should not be able to continue douchebaggary in the same spot for 12 hours straight (like gate camping).
They only do that because none of you nut up and kill them.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:48:00 -
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Danny Diamonds wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:I like how the high sec dweller falls into the usual selfish, self-centered stereotype. Eve is a sandbox, if you don't like players doing something... stop them. Why are you folks always incapable of helping yourselves? You always run to CCP, begging them to nerf something, instead of taking care of the problem on your own.
You don't want gates camped? Stop thinking only about yourself for once, stop thinking about Eve as a solo venture for once, make some friends and go blow the campers up. It really isn't hard: something fast to scout the camp, something tanked to hell to bait them, a black bird tailored for their ships and some dps. Boom, boom, boom, dead pirates. They're just as cowardly as you are; they'll be too busy trying to flee to fight back effectively. OK, on that line of thought then I would simply ask for KILL RIGHTS on anyone who has gate camped in the past 24 hours. ANYONE. Also, I want KILL RIGHTS on anyone with security rating more than 4 points below my own (and negative). EVERYWHERE. Fair? You see, not all of us want our security rating to go to ****. Some of us actually want certain characters of ours to be on the good guy side of the game...
You don't get security rating hits for blowing up people in 0.0 space. And the vast majority of lowsec campers you're whining about are already -5.0 or lower anyway, so you don't get a security rating hit for blowing them up either. Any other excuses for not taking care of these guys yourself?
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
713
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Posted - 2012.07.16 16:54:00 -
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Barakach wrote:Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Heres an idea... Get in a ship and kill the people gate camping?
HUUURRRRRDUUURRRRRRWHOWUDATHOUGHTDURRRRRR Isn't that like telling an army recruit to fight a navy seal? Kind of like saying "1+1 = 2, now that you know math, here's some advanced physics". There needs to be a "some what" gradual process to getting into PvP. Not "You can fly an Ibis, now venture off into null and go fight a titan"
No not really. Goonswarm continues to have incredible success sending newbies off to war on their first day in Eve Online. Remember that Shrike's Titan died because a three day old newbie listened to his blood lust and burned straight at the spot he saw a cloaking Titan. Newbies can be an incredible asset when veteran players aren't busy spitting on them.
No one is saying you need to take on these camps by yourself. That's the last thing you should be doing. Even newbies can bust up a gate camp with ease if they bring numbers and smarts to the battle. ECM and guts let your fleet punch well above its weight, you just need to stop thinking of Eve as a solo game.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
713
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:01:00 -
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Frigates are not camping lowsec gates. You're beginning to get hysterical in your quest to prove you're somehow a victim. Everything you're complaining about is something you have the power to fix. You just need to stop being a victim and start shooting back, your security rating is irrelevant and easily corrected anyhow.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
713
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:03:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
... they would have banded together as an anti-Goon crusade and would have conquered Deklien by now lol.
This is the pipiest of pipe dreams. We can hope one day they'll try it. But that would require organization and the high-sec dweller plays Eve-Online as though it were a single player game with pretty good AI ships flying around and whines to CCP when they don't get their way.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
713
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:09:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
... they would have banded together as an anti-Goon crusade and would have conquered Deklien by now lol.
This is the pipiest of pipe dreams. We can hope one day they'll try it. But that would require organization and the high-sec dweller plays Eve-Online as though it were a single player game with pretty good AI ships flying around and whines to CCP when they don't get their way. Can't see that ever happening, you've become too big, when you add TEST, FA and whoever else bands with you these days.
That and the utter inability of the average high-sec dweller to think past their own wallets.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
713
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:10:00 -
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Danny Diamonds wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Frigates are not camping lowsec gates. You're beginning to get hysterical in your quest to prove you're somehow a victim. Everything you're complaining about is something you have the power to fix. You just need to stop being a victim and start shooting back, your security rating is irrelevant and easily corrected anyhow. Dodging the question, like most of the older posters I see. Must be a gate camper. Wouldn't want to get shot first. My security rating isn't for you to decide how important it is. I should start shooting back? Oh, after the gate camper shoots first? How strange an advantage... even a player from a seasoned alliance in SOV can't see past their own little world.
Three posts repeating the same hysterical crap. Try to vary your fake posting a little its getting stale.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
714
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:10:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:
What happened to Goon posts?
The last few days you guys keep pointing out how you cherish newbies, how you dislike renter alliances that treat their renters like cattle, make constructive suggestions and are generally helpful..
Where is the usual condescending "Y'all worthless pubbies"- rant?
Is this a new PR policy or have I just become so blunted over the time that I cannot find your posts offensive anymore?
Nothing has changed. A part of Goonswarm's culture is to cherish our newbies and has been since the day Remedial founded Goonfleet. All those pilots steam rolling the Soco with Tengu fleets and Super Caps, started the game by being handed a stack of skill books and rifters and being paired up with a mentor.
Same with the renter part. Rather than rent space we create strong alliances with other player organizations base on mutual respect and self-interest. Diplomacy is something we take very seriously at an alliance level. Turns out when you don't treat your friends and neighbors like dirt they'll be there for you when you need them. This is a concept that is so foreign to so many folks playing Eve-Online that they continue to call our allies pets.
Those of you who aren't blue or have spat on our olive branch? You can all go die in your own filth.
Edit: And not offering constructive suggestions when you have a decent answer is just petty.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
714
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:20:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Yeah the funny thing is the reason Goons arent falling apart is by all reports they DONT treat their renters like **** LIKE EVERYONE ELSE
funnily enough the Goons are the good guys in this case
We don't actually have renters. None of our allies pay us a cent to own the space they have, that space belongs to them; they fought for it alongside us, its theirs. Corporations that are a part of the Goonswarm Federation pay a small per-capita tax every month to cover their share of the alliance bill. Individual members do not pay anything to be a part of the swarm.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
714
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:29:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:What wonderful piles of bs being spewed in this thread.
People want easy kills on clueless noobs, what better place to get them.
If those newbies banded together they would be a rather frightening force. My first fleet combat action years ago was busting up a 3rd Front Alliance gate camp on the Reblier gate in 6-C. Twenty newbies in frigates most of us didn't have the skills to adequately fly took out a Megathron. The camp scattered leaving five of us still in ships. I had no idea what was going on other than things were exploding and I was orbiting this really big ship and shooting lasers. The exhilaration high afterwards was pretty incredible. Combat results back then were still measured in raw numbers rather that ship values so 3FA chest beat that it was their victory, but two week old newbies in with a fleet worth a fraction of that Megathron held the gate in the end.
I wish we had the fancy killboards we have today back then so that battle could be immortalized.
Newbies when properly motivated and mentored are dangerous, just ask Shrike or Malaku (Kill that rifter! Kill those rifters!). The Eve-Online community at large is too busy spitting on them to see the value of treating newbies respectfully.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
714
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:39:00 -
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ITT everything coming down to team work and the average high-sec dwellers inability to use it.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
714
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:35:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:
Well there's a lot of industry in high-sec, NPC corps, mining corps. I wouldn't say I know of many real PvP corps (except merc corps and RvB with their wargames), because there's no real PvP in high-sec (I don't count suicide jockeys and the wardecs in high-sec as being real PvP, maybe I've seen the wrong war decs). So you expect all the peeps from NPC corps, mining corps, solo corps, industry corps to jump in ships and tackle someone like the Goons and associates. Yeah right keep dreaming.
But its really, really easy. The sorts of folks the OP is complaining about are utterly incompetent at anything but gate camping. Busting them up doesn't require any major investment of money and you probably already have the skill points needed to do it. A shuttle can be used to scout the camp and then you have all the information to put together a small fleet of T1 cruisers and frigates that will not only kill them, but shut them down so effectively they will have to sit there helpless and watch as you kill them one after the other. The nice thing about gangs that hump gates is you know exactly what to put on your blackbirds.
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Is there any corp/alliance big enough to tackle Goons and all their associates now? I doubt it somehow and even if there was would they bother if they're not being bothered.
Big enough? Yes certainly. We're currently rolling up a coalition that can match us in numbers. They're not losing due to lack of pilots but due to utter lack of organization. Not to mention the massive and systemic mismanagement of their finances and politcal alliances. The team speak recordings of their head FCs yelling in fear of our newbie tacklers is particularly amusing. T1 frigate pilots... you terrify guys flying Tengus.
You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
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