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Kyo Haku Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2010.06.15 15:17:00 - [31] Try finding out about any big fleet battles that are/will be going on. Fit a cheap frigate (say, a Probe) with cargo mods, and loot the ships that are destroyed. When cargo is full dock and dump your loot, and go back and do it again until there are no more wrecks or you get blown up. (before you go, turn all overview brackets off and your graphics to low- I have a crap computer and I barley lagged when I did that.) then move it to a trade hub and sell it. I made 130mil off one battle doing that. :D -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.15 15:24:00 - [32] Originally by: ACY GTMI There seem to be an inordinate number of people playing who honestly don't have an answer for that question. I HAVE done a few constructive things in my life, and I know what the rewards are, and I bring that to the game with me. I hate to do this, simply because none of you really have any way of verifying anything I'm saying short of giving out a ton of personal info, but here's a small list of "constructive" thing's I've done IRL since you ask for it: I'm an eagle scout, for those of you not familiar with the boy scout organization, that means that I've totaled well over 160 hours of volunteer community service (among other requirements) just to get one rank below eagle. To actually obtain the rank, one of the requirements was to direct and lead a service project totaling over 100 man-hours of work. I had to come up with the project, raise the funding, get the volunteers, and lead them to complete the project. There was also a lot of first aid/lifesaving training in boy scouts. I'm confident that given a situation in which someone was in danger (e.g. drowning, car accident, etc.), I have both the skills and the motivation to make a rescue attempt. I also have a job doing internal desktop support. People will regularly ask for me specifically when their computer breaks. Mostly because I'm polite to them and I'll take the time to explain to them what went wrong and what I'm doing to fix it, even if the user honestly is a total idiot. Originally by: ACY GTMI You can describe it any way you want to: carebear, fool, etc., but I feel sad watching people flop around aimlessly in the game looking for something to do that will make them feel something. I'd be much happier seeing them set out to work towards a goal besides a few ISK and as many enemies as possible. I'm not sure if you're referring to scamming here, but I (and quite a few other scammers I know) definitely don't scam for only the isk. To use this recent thread as an example: linkage, that wasn't about blindly making isk (only a billion, and it was split between the people involved). It was about splitting up a good sized alliance in just a few days without firing a single shot. And believe it or not, I've made some pretty good friends in eve through scamming. There's a small group of us that will team up for scams if needed, or give advice. (remember the guy who stole your corp? I actually walked him through the process while he was doing it). To sum this monster of a post up: For most normal people in this game, the character they portray ingame isn't the person they are IRL. I can be a nice person IRL anytime I want, so I play the badguy in an internet spaceship game simply to mix things up a bit. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
ACY GTMI	Posted - 2010.06.15 17:38:00 - [33] Thanks for the reply. What did you gain from taking away my corp except some ISK? BTW. I've almost recovered and it's only been, what, 4 months. :) No scams, no can flipping. Basically I haven't done anything to anyone that would irritate me if it were done to me. The additional difficulty makes it more satisfying. As they say, the best revenge is to live well.
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.06.15 17:50:00 - [34] Originally by: ACY GTMI Thanks for the reply. What did you gain from taking away my corp except some ISK? Actually, from the sounds of it, he walked someone else through the process. So... he didn't personally gain any ISK. Instead, he was able to help another and pass along his knowledge. So he gained the satisfaction of being a successful mentor. Now granted, the fact that he was mentoring corporate theft kind of sucks in some view points. However, I'm betting, if you mentored some newer player in your style of playing the game (be it mining, mission running, PvP, etc) you too would have the same feelings he did as he watched his protegie perform the scam successfully.
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.15 18:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia However, I'm betting, if you mentored some newer player in your style of playing the game (be it mining, mission running, PvP, etc) you too would have the same feelings he did as he watched his protegie perform the scam successfully. This pretty much. And scams/thefts in general provide a pretty nice feeling of accomplishment if they're pulled off well. In the example of that alliance theft, it's kind of cool to know that I just dramatically altered the path of quite a few people's eve careers (for better or worse I have no idea). I'm pretty much a nobody in eve, yet I'm still able to effect changes on quite a few people with minimal effort, perhaps even more effectively than a giant nullsec alliance could have done. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
ACY GTMI	Posted - 2010.06.15 18:35:00 - [36] Well, good luck to you, but I'm afraid you're off my Christmas card list permanently. I figure that's suitable punishment. Any idea why the person who is running my old corp now didn't just clean it out and shut it down?
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.06.15 18:41:00 - [37] Originally by: ACY GTMI Well, good luck to you, but I'm afraid you're off my Christmas card list permanently. I figure that's suitable punishment. Any idea why the person who is running my old corp now didn't just clean it out and shut it down? No Xmas cards As for why they would keep the old corp open... possibly in the hopes of angering you, especially since you can't reclaim the name for a new corp. It's also possible they needed a corp themselves and figured staying in that one as CEO would look far better on their employment history instead of having a history filled with hoping from corp to corp. It's also possible they plan to sell the corp to another once something is setup. For example, I have the ability to start a 30 person corp, open to all races, and after a week solo in that corp, the standings would be high enough to station a tower in Caldari .6 sec space or below, and in Amarr Mandate and Khanid Kingdom in .5 sec systems. That is actually a corp that would be worth a small amount of isk to some people. It could be your old corp is simply being held till it's worth selling.
ACY GTMI	Posted - 2010.06.15 19:18:00 - [38] Interesting. I hadn't considered any of those possibilities. I do have to admit that I liked the corp name, but it really isn't appropriate any more. I hardly do any ratting at all now.
Snyderm	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:15:00 - [39] You know how to get back to level 4 missions and earn some isks in less than 2 days? 1. Buy a salvager module. 2. Fit it on any frigate. 3. fly to any highsec system with a lot of belts (.5-.8 sec) 4. salvage any wrecks that have been left behind. You should occasionally find armor plates from frigates that sell for over 200,000 isks apiece. Upgrade your frigate until youve got a swift operation going. Wont take long until you can buy a cruiser, BC, or BS. Then do whatever you want. Noobs should train salvaging before anything else. You can get 3 million an hour doing it in any highsec system. At least thats what I do. Because Gallante are the Washington Generals of EVE.
The Renner	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:37:00 - [40] Or fit a probe launcher and clean out some lvl 4 missions, Many people don't even bother looting anymore, so its often "safe" to even steal the modules. Should easily be 15-20mill an hour.
Daisuke Aoki Gallente Independent Coalition Primary.	Posted - 2010.06.16 01:30:00 - [41] Edited by: Daisuke Aoki on 16/06/2010 01:30:52 Originally by: wookie9 -cut- see OP Please stay. I think everyone gets scammed once or twice and you got caught in a recruitment scam, but now you know better. It might be a challenge but you can rebuild and regain your wealth. Plus your 15m skillpoints will play to your advantage when trying to find a real corp to join with people who actually want to help you out. (I hate to turn this into a plug but if you're staying and interested in actually moving to 0.0 with people who care and aren't going to rob you blind, read here and convo/Evemail me.)
Elastaros	Posted - 2010.06.16 17:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Malcanis A brand new player can make 1 billion ISK in his first month. You have a 15M Skill Point advantage, plus the additional advantage of knowing that it's possible to be scammed, so presumably you'll be a bit more careful in future. What's the problem? How do I make 1 billion? I'm poor!
Armtoe	Posted - 2010.06.16 20:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Malcanis A brand new player can make 1 billion ISK in his first month. You have a 15M Skill Point advantage, plus the additional advantage of knowing that it's possible to be scammed, so presumably you'll be a bit more careful in future. What's the problem? How would you go about doing that? For a new player the options seem to be grind missions (including acquiring and selling the salvage) or minning (belts and planets). It seems awfully slow going in raising the isk so far. What am I missing?
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.16 21:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Armtoe How would you go about doing that? For a new player the options seem to be grind missions (including acquiring and selling the salvage) or minning (belts and planets). It seems awfully slow going in raising the isk so far. What am I missing? Assuming ship trade scams (not much to it, you just need to be willing to act chatty), you only need to make 300k to buy a frig. Passing the frig off as a t2 variant will net you between 10-20m. Use that isk to buy a cruiser and do the same scam, that should get you 50-100m. Use that isk to buy a battleship and do the same scam again, that'll get you 200-400m profit. From there you just need to get 1-2 more people with a renamed battleship scam and you'll have a billion. At a rate of 1 scam per day that'll do it in under a week. If you're not into scamming, I believe the other guy who did 1b isk in his first month went to nullsec and salvaged wrecks for people. From there he bought a cruiser and just ratted in the asteroid belts/salvaged nullsec missions. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.17 00:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Dian'h Might Originally by: Zartrader I do find it strange that people throw away any trust they have in a game but that's their business I suppose. I would never deal with them in real life that's for sure. It's pretty ironic that you'd make a correlation between someones eve persona and how they behave irl in the same post that you point out this is just a game. I scam people in this game because scamming is one of the many viable and intended playstyles, not because I'm a psychopathic liar irl. uh huh... look at that guy who played the joker in the dark knight and tell me that acting doesn't affect you. The brain doesn't know the difference between real and fake, much as you consciously may know, the brain doesn't. setting up neural pathways of lying and defrauding people will still change you. the more you do it, the more itbecomes a part of your character. sorry, but thats the reality of physiology and psychology. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.06.18 01:24:00 - [46] Originally by: wookie9 I started playing Eve Online about four years ago and have been playing on and off since. I haven't played for about a year and decided to give the game another go today. I started of by announcing this and that I had 15mil skill points in the Recruitment chat channel. One of the first I talked to seemed a promising new corp which offered to help me move to 0.0 even. Now that I think of all this it seamed too good to be true, after hours of moving all my stuff around I got it it to one place, delivered it to who I thought was a corp mate only to be kick out of the corp. Obviously I reacted pretty badly after that. I can't help you with any advice that you haven't already gotten. What I can do, however, is offer you revenge. I ask you to mail me the name of the corp that did this to you. And in a month or three (or maybe never vOv), I may be writing you back with a link to the kills that they suffered for trying to let me into their corp. And the amount of ISK that they used to own that is now in my wallet. No promises, but the easiest players to **** over are the scammers themselves. Greed can be a powerful weapon when one knows how to use it properly. And I do. Mr Epeen
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts	Posted - 2010.06.18 02:55:00 - [47] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 Originally by: Dian'h Might Originally by: Zartrader I do find it strange that people throw away any trust they have in a game but that's their business I suppose. I would never deal with them in real life that's for sure. It's pretty ironic that you'd make a correlation between someones eve persona and how they behave irl in the same post that you point out this is just a game. I scam people in this game because scamming is one of the many viable and intended playstyles, not because I'm a psychopathic liar irl. uh huh... look at that guy who played the joker in the dark knight and tell me that acting doesn't affect you. The brain doesn't know the difference between real and fake, much as you consciously may know, the brain doesn't. setting up neural pathways of lying and defrauding people will still change you. the more you do it, the more itbecomes a part of your character. sorry, but thats the reality of physiology and psychology. What a load of crap... Armchair psychologists make me sick -------------------------------------------- Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
oodin Snuff Box	Posted - 2010.06.19 02:31:00 - [48] 50 mil sent.. why? because im a mean old pirate whos been getting too soft
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.19 11:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Armtoe Originally by: Malcanis A brand new player can make 1 billion ISK in his first month. You have a 15M Skill Point advantage, plus the additional advantage of knowing that it's possible to be scammed, so presumably you'll be a bit more careful in future. What's the problem? How would you go about doing that? For a new player the options seem to be grind missions (including acquiring and selling the salvage) or minning (belts and planets). It seems awfully slow going in raising the isk so far. What am I missing? Maybe the fact that you can make far more ISK interacting with other players than by ignoring them. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Avo Daith Mentors Administration	Posted - 2010.06.20 11:29:00 - [50] Edited by: Avo Daith on 20/06/2010 11:31:40 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 uh huh... look at that guy who played the joker in the dark knight and tell me that acting doesn't affect you. The brain doesn't know the difference between real and fake, much as you consciously may know, the brain doesn't. setting up neural pathways of lying and defrauding people will still change you. the more you do it, the more itbecomes a part of your character. sorry, but thats the reality of physiology and psychology. Acting doesn't afect you. Not in that way. Really, really bad and simplistic understanding how the brain works here. Take it from a Psychology graduate, the brain is a massively complex fractal algorithm and you cannot make sweeping statements like this about people's individual thought processes without looking like an ass. As for Heath Ledger, unless you are intimate with the case to hold him up as an example is tasteless and offensive. Even with my, many times removed, knowledge of the case I can see it has no actual relevence to what you are implying. _________________________ Join Channel 'Mentors' for PVP and PVE help and advice ingame without changing corps. Click Channels and Mailing lists > Channels > Join > Mentors

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