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nemmi
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Posted - 2010.06.11 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: nemmi on 11/06/2010 13:02:40 Hello!
I started some PI mining a few days ago, and I have encountered a quite strange thing. Yesterday at about 17:00 (my time, think it's 15:00 evetime) I started all my extractors on a 23h cycle, and now about 20-21 hrs later it says that it's still 18+ hrs left on all the extractors.
What's going on? Could it be that I placed quite alot of extractors close to each another? I have seen other people do the exact same thing on the same planet that I'm on.
Anybody know what I'm doing wrong? Or could it be a bug?
edit: Forgot to mention, I havn't noticed the same thing when using 5h cycles
edit2: Just found another thread, seems like I'm not the first one that have the bug, so ignore this thread.
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Imuran
The first genesis Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.11 20:51:00 -
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Bug report it
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.11 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Imuran Bug report it
Keep doing this!! For some reason the 23 hr cycles seem to rest themselves at DT. Not sure if it happens to all of them, but so far all of mine keep reseting.
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The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.06.12 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: The Huffarunier on 12/06/2010 00:23:36
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Imuran Bug report it
Keep doing this!! For some reason the 23 hr cycles seem to rest themselves at DT. Not sure if it happens to all of them, but so far all of mine keep reseting.
Well auto resetting wouldn't be bad! Tomorrow after down time I'll check mine out and see what I can tell you.
I have all my extractors to expire at or near 6:00pm CST so If they are killed at DT that makes me lose lots of extractor time.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:14:00 -
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Yeah I saw this too. I had started all planets at the same time, for 23hrs. Then later, all planets but one were done. One had 10 hours left. I figured it was just me not remembering what I had done, and now I see it today too, and still thought I was just not paying attention, though now starting to wonder.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:21:00 -
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Wait, you're all worried about free isk not coming in fast enough?
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Karox Lominax
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Posted - 2010.06.12 06:56:00 -
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I had a similar problem.
And no... its not a worry about free isk not coming in fast enough, its a concern about planning a window on each day (usually just after work) when I could log in and reset all the extractors ... now I cant do that since the 23 hour run takes 35 or more.
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Sexorella hotz
SexyCor
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:45:00 -
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And I thought I was imagining things, definitely observing the same thing.
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Durin Sarga
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:58:00 -
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I can confirm that this is happening in WH as well on 96-hr cycles. I set all my extractors on Tuesday night. By Friday night they should have shown 1 day left. Now this morning they still show 3 days and change. I am seeing a net reduction of about 2-hr per day.
However, I don't believe this is a bug. If you follow typical understanding of how a well works then it makes perfect sense.
Try this:
A source has 48,000 units as a maximum it can hold. It's regeneration rate (up to the maximum) is 15,000 units per day. If the 24-hr depletion guy comes and takes 1,000 units per half hour then the spot will run dry, his exractors will stop because there is no more to pull just yet. The day cycles, and the spot regenerates 15,000.
Now, if a guy running 96-hr depletion takes 1,000 unit per hour, then at the end of the first day the source would still have 24,000 left. The day cycles, and the spot regenerates to 39,000. Thus the timer seen by the 96-hr guy appears to increase.
I would agree that planets are receiving their regeneration at downtime. Thus some of the 23-hr people are seeing this phenomena too. However, my deposit in WH at the current depletion/regeneration ratio will run out in 1.5 MONTHS! And who said this was going to be a click-fest? lol.
Just thought I'd share my going theory with y'all.
Later
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.06.12 16:17:00 -
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The other day I noticed my extractors has reset after DT. I've not bothered to check since.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.06.13 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Durin Sarga I can confirm that this is happening in WH as well on 96-hr cycles. I set all my extractors on Tuesday night. By Friday night they should have shown 1 day left. Now this morning they still show 3 days and change. I am seeing a net reduction of about 2-hr per day.
However, I don't believe this is a bug. If you follow typical understanding of how a well works then it makes perfect sense.
Try this:
A source has 48,000 units as a maximum it can hold. It's regeneration rate (up to the maximum) is 15,000 units per day. If the 24-hr depletion guy comes and takes 1,000 units per half hour then the spot will run dry, his exractors will stop because there is no more to pull just yet. The day cycles, and the spot regenerates 15,000.
Now, if a guy running 96-hr depletion takes 1,000 unit per hour, then at the end of the first day the source would still have 24,000 left. The day cycles, and the spot regenerates to 39,000. Thus the timer seen by the 96-hr guy appears to increase.
I would agree that planets are receiving their regeneration at downtime. Thus some of the 23-hr people are seeing this phenomena too. However, my deposit in WH at the current depletion/regeneration ratio will run out in 1.5 MONTHS! And who said this was going to be a click-fest? lol.
Just thought I'd share my going theory with y'all.
Later
This makes sense.
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Durin Sarga
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Posted - 2010.06.13 18:13:00 -
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Extractors started on Tuesday night for 96-hr depletion. It's Sunday and still haven't shut off. Countdown says 2days 17hrs left. I really think my above theory is correct.
If so, then the 96-hr cycle provides a much longer lasting 'stable' form of PI. That, and no click-fest.
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DawkinsFan
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Posted - 2010.06.13 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: DawkinsFan on 13/06/2010 19:28:29
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.13 22:17:00 -
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Set my extractors going yesterday on 23hour cycles around 20:00 (8pm). Logged on this morning before DT (8am) and all running fine for with a 10:30-11:00 hours to finish. Logged on this evening around 20:00. All extracts still require 9 hours to go.
The extra time remaining was roughly from the start of downtime until when I logged on.
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Prospector Plum
King's Gambit
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Posted - 2010.06.14 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Durin Sarga Extractors started on Tuesday night for 96-hr depletion. It's Sunday and still haven't shut off. Countdown says 2days 17hrs left. I really think my above theory is correct.
If so, then the 96-hr cycle provides a much longer lasting 'stable' form of PI. That, and no click-fest.
Interesting theory, if it's true the only problem I can see is that there doesn't seem to be a way of shutting an extractor down if you want to switch cycles. =/
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Tsabrock
Gallente Circle of Friends
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Posted - 2010.06.14 19:53:00 -
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I've had this same problem on my extractors too over the weekend. However the strange thing is, I started everything again on a 23-hour cycle yesterday, and (so far at least) they seem to have the correct durations.
My brother and I were speculating that changing links and routes around might throw-off some sort of internal timer that eventually "clears up", but we're in pure speculation mode at the moment.
Now to see what tomorrow's cycles do? --- I don't read the forums all the time here - if you read something here and want to respond to me directly, EVE-Mail me, and I'll eventually read it. |
William Mill3r
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Posted - 2010.06.14 20:13:00 -
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I've got even better, I started my extractors yesterday After maintenance, they finished this morning right before downtime, I thought I could get around this bug making sure my 23h cycle would happen when the server is live, so I checked each and all of my extractors they were all idle. The server reboot, and all my extractors magically started with random hours remaining around 18h-20h...
So after all efforts I put in this, I ended up with all my extractors out of sync once again, with any luck, I don't have to start my extractors ever again, and they are gonna start by themselves that would be not so bad
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William Mill3r
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Posted - 2010.06.14 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: William Mill3r on 14/06/2010 20:27:17
Originally by: Durin Sarga
However, I don't believe this is a bug.
This is a bug, you can surely try explaining your theory on why it's doing this and you might very well be on a good track with the deposit amounts etc, but saying it's intended and not a bug is not true. They are working on this for a reason, because it's a bug.
I'm not sure if it's how you explained it, because I didn't very well understand your post but I'm inspiring from it, apparently, the way this PI works on extractors is that it's not looking into any sort of time, it's looking on the deposit amounts to calculate the time, which the replenishment going into equation, is making it longer time, and with different replenishment it goes into making it different longer time, that's still doesn't tell how an extractor saying it's stopped suddenly restart with over 18h
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Durin Sarga
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Posted - 2010.06.14 20:54:00 -
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I understand that with a new expansion come bugs. However I think this would be to quick and simple of an answer without first trying to rationalize other reasons this depletion phenomena is occuring.
For nomenclature I am saying the time-to-depletion (TTD) is the 23-hr, 96-hr numbers. The 'cycle' is actually the 30-min, 1-hr that each extractor does. So... for a 96-hr TTD the extractor cycles every hour.
Theory:
My current thought is the TTD is actually a calculated value, and not 'fixed'. I believe it is based on the 'amount remaining' in the deposit you are extracting.
I think we are seeing two different values at work here. The first is what your extractors see as the amount below them (i.e. 97,000 units of X material) when you first survey the deposit. The second is the overall amount in a deposit as a whole (Some unknown quatity probably in the millions).
During downtime I think an incremental amount is added to the overall deposit. A portion of this 'regeneration' is then reflected in the individual spots the extractors are mining. As a result, when the TTD is recalculated it shows a new (higher) number.
Evidence:
1. My extractors do go down during the day. I have watched them this weekend decline from 2days 20hrs to 2days 13hrs, etc. Also, this coincided with the exact amount which was extracted during that time for that extractor.
2. My 'amount' remaining between the time I went to sleep before downtime, and the time I woke up after downtime increased ( ~ 30k per extractor). I'm still trying to confirm exact amounts to see if it is quantifiable, however I am not awake right before/after downtime because I have a job to be awake for, lol. I'd love it if someone could monitor this in more detail.
3. I have heard from colleagues in hi-sec that extractors run on 5-hr TTD see miniscule change in their surveyed amount, it does appear to decline, albeit slowly.
I hope this explains my position a bit more. There may be bugs at work here which are causing the 'regeneration' to happen in a much more apparent way than intended. Who knows. Developers if you want to weigh in on this, please, by all means. This is just what I've seen.
Sorry for the long post.
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Leaping Tiger
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Posted - 2010.06.15 03:36:00 -
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The same crap is happening to me. My theory is that although "any sane company would have spent a year or two building planetary interaction."-CCPSoundwave CCP decided they'd do it in six months and let us sort out the bugs as we went along.
I've deleted all of my 95 hour extractors and created new 24 hour extractors at 45k(?) ISK each. There were only seven of them. At least the 1/2 rate extractors won't hold up my line any more and I'm sure I'll at least break even before CCP puts in a fix.
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Sexorella hotz
SexyCor
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Posted - 2010.06.16 11:53:00 -
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All this rationalization bs would make sense if this wasn't a game I suppose. But look at the cycle time, it's 23 hours, it's made so that you can keep an operation running by managing it at the same time each day with no time drift(otherwise they would've chosen the more obvious 24 hour cycle time and I believe they initially had).
The fact of the matter is, it's not working that way and it's a bug, and I'm baffled that it's that hard to fix and wasn't picked up on Sisi, but whatever, 5 hour cycles seem to work fine, and if you can be on to run two 5 hour cycles in a 24 hour time period, you've done better than the 23 hour cycle anyways(or at least close, can't remember exactly and server's still booting).
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Calcinus
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Leaping Tiger
I've deleted all of my 95 hour extractors and created new 24 hour extractors at 45k(?) ISK each.
QFT
Just happens to me every day and it sucks :/ already sent bug reports.
Greets
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