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MrBinary
Minmatar
Binary Systems
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Posted - 2010.06.12 22:21:00 -
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Greetings all.
Relatively new since getting back into space after a long hiatus on Pator.
My question is regarding AA. I have a pretty strong system for playing EvE, even on my 42". When I left Eve years ago, AA wasn't working. Today still...I can't seem to get it working. Using nVidia for graphics.
Does it work? If so...how can I get it working. Even on a 42" at 1080...the jaggies detract so much from the artistic beauty of this game.
Any links to fixes or ideas? Suggestions?
Kind regards,
MrB
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
Mr. Orange
Gallente
Band of Freelancers
Turdz Asshatz N Grieferz
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Posted - 2010.06.12 22:40:00 -
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I run a ATI setup and force everything to max from my Catalyst Control Center. I can't stand jaggies!
So yeah... try forcing AA through your sys/card settings...
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.06.12 22:41:00 -
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well on ATI you can force it with catalist.
for Nvidia there is a tool called Nhancer which can force AA for you. no idea if it is going to work on a monitor that size though.
what is the max resolution that eve supports?
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Windows ME
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.12 22:43:00 -
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I can force AA on with an ATI card only with HDR and bloom turned off. I don't know if that is normal.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.12 23:19:00 -
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If you trust that kind of stuff, you can use a program called nHancer to force settings on nVidia cards for specific applications. Like forcing both HDR, Bloom and AA in EVE.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.12 23:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador
well on ATI you can force it with catalist.
for Nvidia there is a tool called Nhancer which can force AA for you. no idea if it is going to work on a monitor that size though.
what is the max resolution that eve supports?
5120x1600 is the highest I have seen anyone use but with an eyefinity setup with 3x30" screens you will get 7680x1600. I have yet to see a screenshot at that size but I'm 99.9% sure it will work just fine.
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Tavin Aikisen
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.13 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: MrBinary
Greetings all.
Relatively new since getting back into space after a long hiatus on Pator.
My question is regarding AA. I have a pretty strong system for playing EvE, even on my 42". When I left Eve years ago, AA wasn't working. Today still...I can't seem to get it working. Using nVidia for graphics.
Does it work? If so...how can I get it working. Even on a 42" at 1080...the jaggies detract so much from the artistic beauty of this game.
Any links to fixes or ideas? Suggestions?
Kind regards,
MrB
Until the game starts using DX11 AA and HDR will not work properly. Simple as that. Forcing it cancels out effects. Super sampling may help but it's pretty **** poor compared to pure AA.
ôRemember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home in peace.ö
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AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.06.13 00:32:00 -
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As other have said here - you have to force it.
If your computer explodes, its your bad as EVE does not support AA whatsoever, thanks to deferred lighting and DX9.
You can download my ancient profile etc here and nHancer here.
If you are using one of the new G100 chipsets for nVidia, it won't work...for now.
AK
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Ti'anla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.13 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ti''anla on 13/06/2010 01:45:06
As someone else said, EVE doesn't natively support anti-aliasing. I read it's chosen iteration of DirectX basically doesn't play very nicely when Anti-Aliasing and HDR are enabled at the same time, and I can only figure CCP chose to go with the latter.
So yeah,to have Anti-Aliasing, it has to be forced from outside - say, through the NVidia control, panel. However, HDR still overrides this, so the only was to get Anti-Aliasing in EVE is to make sure HDR is disabled. .. ANd to my knowledge, HDR disables AA for the duration of a run, so you have to restart the client after turning off HDR, too.
Certainly, AA 16x(forced) + Disabled-HDR works for me.
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Jeremiah Tameri
Azon Consortium
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Posted - 2010.06.13 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremiah Tameri on 13/06/2010 01:49:22
Originally by: Ti'anla
Edited by: Ti''anla on 13/06/2010 01:45:06
As someone else said, EVE doesn't natively support anti-aliasing. I read it's chosen iteration of DirectX basically doesn't play very nicely when Anti-Aliasing and HDR are enabled at the same time, and I can only figure CCP chose to go with the latter.
So yeah,to have Anti-Aliasing, it has to be forced from outside - say, through the NVidia control, panel. However, HDR still overrides this, so the only was to get Anti-Aliasing in EVE is to make sure HDR is disabled. .. ANd to my knowledge, HDR disables AA for the duration of a run, so you have to restart the client after turning off HDR, too.
Certainly, AA 16x(forced) + Disabled-HDR works for me.
Forced SSAA + HDR works fine here, Radeon HD5850, even have bloom on aswell to make the lasers look beefy, thanks to the way SSAA works I can have it all on without any problems such as white dots or patches.
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eFart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.13 04:30:00 -
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eve is w no aa u dont need it its slower
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AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.06.13 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: eFart
eve is w no aa u dont need it its slower
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Ti'anla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.13 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ti''anla on 13/06/2010 12:55:40
Originally by: Jeremiah Tameri
Forced SSAA + HDR works fine here, Radeon HD5850, even have bloom on aswell to make the lasers look beefy, thanks to the way SSAA works I can have it all on without any problems such as white dots or patches.
SSAA? What is this and how do I make use of it to further prettify my EVE? >.>
EDIT: Huh, apparently, prettify is actually a word.
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Jeremiah Tameri
Azon Consortium
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Posted - 2010.06.13 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jeremiah Tameri on 13/06/2010 13:24:47
Originally by: Ti'anla
Edited by: Ti''anla on 13/06/2010 12:55:40
Originally by: Jeremiah Tameri
Forced SSAA + HDR works fine here, Radeon HD5850, even have bloom on aswell to make the lasers look beefy, thanks to the way SSAA works I can have it all on without any problems such as white dots or patches.
SSAA? What is this and how do I make use of it to further prettify my EVE? >.>
EDIT: Huh, apparently, prettify is actually a word.
It's called SuperSampling Anti-Aliasing and is one of the most intense forms of AA there is, but it's also has the best image quality over other forms of AA because it applies to the entire image instead of certain objects like most other forms of AA - unfortunately it's only available on the Radeon 5 series I think.
It's so intense that setting it to just 4x reduces my uncapped FPS in eve from 270~ to about 80~ however 4x is huge for SSAA anyway and makes most games you apply it to completely jag free but run slow as hell unless you have a very powerful GPU and system to back it up, even the 5970 probably wouldn't be able to run most of the newer games with SSAA and get playable FPS. But if you do have a 5 series, you can find it in the ATI CCC, it's the last option on the anti-aliasing slider.
Luckily eve is a very light game on the GPU so todays high end cards can easily wack on all sorts of enhanced extras and still get 60+fps, it's a shame that CCP only caters for people with very low end hardware and forces lower quality graphics upon us such as when they nerfed shadows and turned them into moving blocks, if the graphics department wasn't lazy and added more graphics options to the game, Eve could look ALOT better for people who have the hardware for it (which most people do, even an old Radeon x1950 can run eve maxed without issue...)
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AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jeremiah Tameri
...if the graphics department wasn't lazy...
WTB: your balls.
OT: shadows are an issue purely because of the choice of lighting, and nVidia apparently fixed this with jittered sampling on the G100 GPU - not sure if this will only become useful when Trinity III is released using DX11...
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: eFart
eve is w no aa u dont need it its slower
With my 3 screen setup I get about 30 FPS (which is pretty god considering the resolution), and I don't notice anything different than playing on 60 FPS (1 screen).
So what
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Ti'anla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.14 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ti''anla on 14/06/2010 12:24:54
Originally by: Jeremiah Tameri
<Above>
I see..
Yeah, I can set Supersampling and Ant-Aliasing independent of one another, but not as a combined feature. Maybe 'cause I'm running a GeForce 260 GTS or so.
Thanks anyhow.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.14 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jeremiah Tameri
It's called SuperSampling Anti-Aliasing and is one of the most intense forms of AA there is, but it's also has the best image quality over other forms of AA because it applies to the entire image instead of certain objects like most other forms of AA - unfortunately it's only available on the Radeon 5 series I think.
Funnily enough, SSAA was also the first AA available on gaming cards back in the day ù can't remember if the GeForce 256 had it or if it came with the GF2 GTS cardsà
àah memories. 
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.14 12:37:00 -
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the Nvidia tool to force it just made eve crash all the time for me.
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Freddy Harddest
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Posted - 2010.06.14 14:02:00 -
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When i first joined the game, my AA settings only applied to some parts of the game. For example, some parts of a station would get nice AA but the others didnt. Same for ships and everything. Then, after few months a patch was released. It made my AA to fully work. I had nice AA with hdr. Then, suddently it turned in "half AA" once again. It seems like it had something to do with EVE and drivers. Its like ATi fixed it and CCP screwed it again. Im using a 4780x2 and getting just "half AA". Anyone did notice this?.
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eFart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.15 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 14/06/2010 12:25:28
Originally by: eFart
eve is w no aa u dont need it its slower
With my 3 screen setup I get about 30 FPS (which is pretty good considering the resolution), and I don't notice anything different than playing on 60 FPS (1 screen).
So what
so w 3 screens u get more fps out of it like 90 or so then w 1 sceen thats pretty good
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.06.15 12:13:00 -
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I'm using a Geforce 9800 GTX+ with additional options set in the Nvidia Control Panel for Eve. I've set it to use 16x antialiasing with supersampling. No problems running the game here but there are still jaggies. *shrugs* Though it has improved the image.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.06.15 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd
I'm using a Geforce 9800 GTX+ with additional options set in the Nvidia Control Panel for Eve. I've set it to use 16x antialiasing with supersampling. No problems running the game here but there are still jaggies. *shrugs* Though it has improved the image.
You need nHancer to get FSAA with nVidia cards.
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Deneth Vakorum
Vela Prime
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Posted - 2010.07.18 06:45:00 -
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It seems several people have been reporting that a recent patch has made forcing AA through nHancer no longer work. I'm experiencing the same issue. The lack of in-game AA really, really detracts from the visual beauty of the game (with the dreaded color banding due to color depth limitations a close second).
It sort of maybe looks like its just the nVidia folks with the issues of late, however. If any of you have AA working on an nVidia card, please do tell.
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.07.18 10:41:00 -
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sudo nvidia-settings -> Antialiasing Settings -> drop-down "Override Application Settings"
Whaaaat?! Why does everyone assume he's using Windows?! He didn't specify!
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Jeremiah Tameri
Azon Consortium
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Posted - 2010.07.18 11:46:00 -
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I've noticed that the latest patch seems to have weakened the effect of SSAA aswell, wtf is ccp trying to stop people from using AA completely???
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.18 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: JC Anderson on 18/07/2010 12:27:33
As with others, I force both AA and HDR successfully with NHANCER. I use 00000045: AA & HDR compatibility mode in the AA compatibility mode setting tied to an Eve profile in NHANCER.
Originally by: Deneth Vakorum
It seems several people have been reporting that a recent patch has made forcing AA through nHancer no longer work. I'm experiencing the same issue. The lack of in-game AA really, really detracts from the visual beauty of the game (with the dreaded color banding due to color depth limitations a close second).
It sort of maybe looks like its just the nVidia folks with the issues of late, however. If any of you have AA working on an nVidia card, please do tell.
Still works... For some reason you have to delete the eve profile in NHANCER, start up Eve with vanilla settings, exit Eve then create a new Eve profile and go from there.
At least that worked for me after reading the solution in a few threads.
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Heroldyn Yhamad
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Posted - 2010.07.18 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Heroldyn Yhamad on 18/07/2010 12:57:44
If you have an ATI Card you can forece it through the CCC.
However it will only work if you enable "Catalyst (TM) A.I." - If you do not enable this, your AA settings will be ignored.
Also note that having AA and HDR and Bloom enabled you will have some Artefacts especially in belts, where asteroids will then have "white flickering blobs" on them. |
Deneth Vakorum
Vela Prime
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Posted - 2010.07.18 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: JC Anderson
Edited by: JC Anderson on 18/07/2010 12:27:33
As with others, I force both AA and HDR successfully with NHANCER. I use 00000045: AA & HDR compatibility mode in the AA compatibility mode setting tied to an Eve profile in NHANCER.
Originally by: Deneth Vakorum
It seems several people have been reporting that a recent patch has made forcing AA through nHancer no longer work. I'm experiencing the same issue. The lack of in-game AA really, really detracts from the visual beauty of the game (with the dreaded color banding due to color depth limitations a close second).
It sort of maybe looks like its just the nVidia folks with the issues of late, however. If any of you have AA working on an nVidia card, please do tell.
Still works... For some reason you have to delete the eve profile in NHANCER, start up Eve with vanilla settings, exit Eve then create a new Eve profile and go from there.
At least that worked for me after reading the solution in a few threads.
Yeah I just tried the Delete/Reset profile method again with no success. Would you mind posting both your in-game and nHancer settings? Also what card are you using?
This is immensely frustrating. The next version of the Trinity engine better have native AA support.
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.18 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ascendic on 18/07/2010 17:29:55
Nvidia cards will not force AA in eve for whatever reason. I have gone through 3 generations from 7 series and up and none of them would do it. My ATI 5970 does though 
And for the record i can do 4x SSAA at 5760x1080
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