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Marlona Sky D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.13 07:26:00 - [1] So I'm going crazy with numbers here but I noticed that with each schematic that it requires double the mats of the previous one down the line. My question is, if I wanted to take the raw stuff from the planet and wind up with the finished product of say the Integrity Response Drones, how many of each processor do I need total? The end goal is to pump out one drone every cycle on the high tech processor, so how many of each processor for the whole schematic?
Glorious Pride Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.13 08:30:00 - [2] http://www.4ward-eve.ch/pi Raw(4)>PI(4)>P2(4)>P3(2) also takes 4 planets to make a p4 with elite CC's
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.13 08:34:00 - [3] Originally by: Marlona Sky so how many of each processor for the whole schematic? Yeah, because all processors extract exactly the same amount of resources all the time regardless of where they are or on what cycle they are, right ? If your goal is to pump out 1x Integrity Response Drone per hour, that means you'll have to pump out (in order) the following things on a per-hour basis: * 6x Gel-Matrix Bio-Paste * 6x(10/3) = 20x Super Conductors * 20x(40/5) = 160x Plasmoids *** 160x(3000/20) = 24000x Suspended Plasma * 20x(40/5) = 160x Water *** 160x(3000/20) = 24000x Aqueous Liquid * 6x(10/3) = 20x Oxides *** 20x(40/5) = 160x Oxygen *** 160x(3000/20) = 24000x Noble Gas * 20x(40/5) = 160x Oxidizing Compound *** 160x(3000/20) = 24000x Reactive Gas * 6x(10/3) = 20x Biocells *** 20x(40/5) = 160x Precious Metals *** 160x(3000/20) = 24000x Noble Metals * 20x(40/5) = 160x Bio Fuels ***** 160x(3000/20) = 24000x Carbon Compounds * 6x Hazmat Detection Systems *** and their branches * 6x Planetary Vehicles * and their branches So you'll basically need 18 branches x 24000 raw materials = 432000 total raw materials per hour** for 1 Integrity Response Drone per hour. That's 4320 m^3 of raw materials per hour, or in other words the carry capacity of almost 18 unupgraded links (18x 96% usage links, actually, one link can carry 25000 raw materials per hour). _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Glorious Pride Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.13 08:44:00 - [4] Hrm drones take 3 p3 products would take 5/6 planets in that case
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.13 09:24:00 - [5] Integrity Response drones have the biggest base of the high tech products by a large margin. To pull the resources, and run the production facilities to process up to that level you are probably going to need 6 planets or Elite Command Centers. I mean at the least you are going to have to run 18 Basic Processors and if you can keep them filled without being in Null sec more power to you. But what will probably have to be done realistically is buying a lot of the materials you need off the market. At least for another month and a half (or more) while you train of Planetary Consolidation and Command Center Upgrades to 5. (BTW there's 12 advanced processors and 1 high tech processor to think about in addition, and storage, and heavy link usage) -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
TLWE	Posted - 2010.06.13 13:38:00 - [6] To build 1 integrity response drone you need: 160 Bacteria 320 Biofuels 320 Biomass 320 Chiral Structures 160 Industrial Fibers 160 Oxidizing Compound 320 Oxygen 320 Plasmoids 320 Precious Metals 160 Reactive Metals 160 Silicon 160 Water But to be sure you get that 1 integrity drone get mats for 2 drones. With luck 1 of them will not vanish during transport on planet. You born very lucky you might get even 2.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.06.13 14:13:00 - [7] Here are some more crazy numbers, the numbers of planets of each type in EVE: Plasma Planets: 943 (1.4%) Oceanic Planets: 1256 (1.9%) Lava Planets: 6473 (9.6%) Temperate Planets: 7284 (10.8%) Barren Planets: 8113 (12.1%) Storm Planets: 8170 (12.1%) Ice Planets: 11251 (16.7%) Gas Planets: 23754 (35.3%) Total Number of Planets: 67244 Now you can do some more math. --
Marlona Sky D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.13 15:57:00 - [8] Soooo.... I know I need one high tech production plant that has the schematic of the drone. And it looks like I will need 6 advanced for the 3 materials needed for the high tech. But once I go down further towards the raw material things get crazy. 4th (final) phase = 1 High Tech Factor 3rd phase = 6 Adv. Factories 2nd = Adv. Factories 1st = Basic Factories <-- process the raw planet materials So anyone know what is the numbers for the two question marks?
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.	Posted - 2010.06.13 16:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Glorious Pride also takes 4 planets to make a p4 with elite CC's Um...what? I'm making a P4 with 2 planets, both with advanced cc Store
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.13 18:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Marlona Sky Soooo.... I know I need one high tech production plant that has the schematic of the drone. And it looks like I will need 6 advanced for the 3 materials needed for the high tech. But once I go down further towards the raw material things get crazy. 4th (final) phase = 1 High Tech Factor 3rd phase = 6 Adv. Factories 2nd = Adv. Factories 1st = Basic Factories <-- process the raw planet materials So anyone know what is the numbers for the two question marks? You'd need 36 Adv. running Refined commodity scripts and 72 Basic Processors to feed them. I believe, if your goal was to produce one Integrity Response Drone an hour. It would end up with a power grid draw of 87400 for these buildings alone, meaning 6 Advanced Command Centers just to run these without the launch pads required and without the links and without the extractors. 5 Elite Command centers could do the job of running this stuff with the links and launchpads probably, but to run extractors as well you'd need to have 6 Elites. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00

Marlona Sky D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.13 21:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Jin Nib Originally by: Marlona Sky Soooo.... I know I need one high tech production plant that has the schematic of the drone. And it looks like I will need 6 advanced for the 3 materials needed for the high tech. But once I go down further towards the raw material things get crazy. 4th (final) phase = 1 High Tech Factor 3rd phase = 6 Adv. Factories 2nd = Adv. Factories 1st = Basic Factories <-- process the raw planet materials So anyone know what is the numbers for the two question marks? You'd need 36 Adv. running Refined commodity scripts and 72 Basic Processors to feed them. I believe, if your goal was to produce one Integrity Response Drone an hour. It would end up with a power grid draw of 87400 for these buildings alone, meaning 6 Advanced Command Centers just to run these without the launch pads required and without the links and without the extractors. 5 Elite Command centers could do the job of running this stuff with the links and launchpads probably, but to run extractors as well you'd need to have 6 Elites. Thanks for the numbers. I was not going to do any extracting. Just adding the raw planet stuff from the customs office. So if no extracts I should be able to do it all right?
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: Jin Nib Originally by: Marlona Sky Soooo.... I know I need one high tech production plant that has the schematic of the drone. And it looks like I will need 6 advanced for the 3 materials needed for the high tech. But once I go down further towards the raw material things get crazy. 4th (final) phase = 1 High Tech Factor 3rd phase = 6 Adv. Factories 2nd = Adv. Factories 1st = Basic Factories <-- process the raw planet materials So anyone know what is the numbers for the two question marks? You'd need 36 Adv. running Refined commodity scripts and 72 Basic Processors to feed them. I believe, if your goal was to produce one Integrity Response Drone an hour. It would end up with a power grid draw of 87400 for these buildings alone, meaning 6 Advanced Command Centers just to run these without the launch pads required and without the links and without the extractors. 5 Elite Command centers could do the job of running this stuff with the links and launchpads probably, but to run extractors as well you'd need to have 6 Elites. Thanks for the numbers. I was not going to do any extracting. Just adding the raw planet stuff from the customs office. So if no extracts I should be able to do it all right? Depending on where you start your chain and if you really want to produce one an hour. But from the Basic to the top you'll either need access to Elite CC's spread out to 5 planets, or 6 Advanced CC's spread out to 6 Planets. Honestly though, taking the raw mats from market and shipping them is going to cost you more ISKies then strictly necessary (it'll cost more in customs) as well as is going to require large hauling space/time. Better to buy as much of the stuff processed to a basic level and then let your advanced factories chug away on 2 planets. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Lagisha	Posted - 2010.06.13 22:34:00 - [13]
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.14 00:20:00 - [14] I don't get it, why even bother with last-tier products if you're working the extraction level ? You're not getting any noticeable volume reductions from transforming P3s into P4s (unlike the case with lower-tier materials), and you have to bring in a lot of P3s on the planet where you make the P4 anyway, so it's not like you're saving a big deal of fees anyway either. Why not simply stop at P3s tops, and let some poor ******* in highsec run his spaceport-o-rama colony full of just those plus high-tech processors ? Just concentrate on whatever P3 pays the most (or, heck, even just P2s), and ramp up production of just that, let highsec people churn out the final tiers. This is also especially important right now, when some P3s and P2s are available directly from NPC sell orders at prices you could never hope to compete with (since in some cases, like, oh, say, Guidance Systems, the spaceport export fee alone is HIGHER than the NPC sell order price, so there's really absolutely no freaking way to make ISK from making it yourself). _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
menacemyth	Posted - 2010.06.14 00:21:00 - [15] Edited by: menacemyth on 14/06/2010 00:24:49 Originally by: Lagisha Edited by: Lagisha on 13/06/2010 22:47:22 Indeed, producing from start to finish without Elite CC's or 6 planets probably isn't possible, at a full-rate that is. My setup, making one Broadcast Node every other hour (half-rate) across 5 planets with Advanced CC's is something like: 1 x Broadcast Node High-Tech Production Plant 3 x L2.Advanced Processor(s) 1 Neocoms L2.Advanced Processor(s) 1 High-Tech Transmitters L2.Advanced Processor(s) 1 Data Chips L2.Advanced Processor(s) 12 x Advanced Processor(s) 2 Biocells Advanced Processor(s) 2 Silicate Glass Advanced Processor(s) 2 Polyaramids Advanced Processor(s) 2 Transmitter Advanced Processor(s) 2 Supertensile Plastics Advanced Processor(s) 2 Microfiber Shielding Advanced Processor(s) 24 x Basic Processor(s) 2 Precious Metals Basic Processor(s) 2 Biofuels Basic Processor(s) 4 Silicon Basic Processor(s) 4 Oxidizing Compound Basic Processor(s) 4 Industrial Fibers Basic Processor(s) 2 Chiral Structures Basic Processor(s) 2 Plasmoids Basic Processor(s) 2 Biomass Basic Processor(s) 2 Oxygen Basic Processor(s) And a smattering of extractors, 56 I believe. Producing at a full rate would require doubling everything after the high-tech production plant. In a null-sec system, you'd probably be able to get away with the same number of extractors or at most have to add a few more. Here in low-sec most of mine are pulling in between 1200 and 1750 units every 30 minutes on a 23hr cycle. Your forgetting that Simple Processors are on a 30 minute timer and Advanced are on a 1hr timer. So, more like 1 high tech, 15x2(for high tech to run every hour), and 24 simle processors, with at least 40 extractors(at 1800/cycle, which is what I average in nullsec). Because it's much harder to extract 3 resources/planet, I would use 9 planets with simple and advanced processors, and 1 planet with advanced and high-tech. Total, 10 planets to yield 720 IRS a month.
Lagisha	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:36:00 - [16] Originally by: menacemyth ....Your forgetting that Simple Processors are on a 30 minute timer and Advanced are on a 1hr timer. So, more like 1 high tech, 30 advanced processors(15x2 for high tech to run every hour), and 24 simle processors, with at least 40 extractors(at 1800/cycle, which is what I average in nullsec). Because it's much harder to extract 3 resources/planet, I would use 9 planets with simple and advanced processors, and 1 planet with advanced and high-tech. Total, 10 planets to yield 720 IRS a month. Sorry for the edits, but should be good now. No, I'm not forgetting, which is why I said half-rate as in one Broadcast Node every other hour, and not every hour. Also, as mentioned in the post, producing one P4 every hour would double everything below the high-tech plant, so 24 Advanced, 48 Basic (not 24, because although each basic does run at a 30 minute cycle, you still need 2 for each advanced processor, that is, one for each R0) and perhaps double the extractors (in my case, over a hundred!)
Lagisha	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Akita T I don't get it, why even bother with last-tier products if you're working the extraction level ? You're not getting any noticeable volume reductions from transforming P3s into P4s (unlike the case with lower-tier materials), and you have to bring in a lot of P3s on the planet where you make the P4 anyway, so it's not like you're saving a big deal of fees anyway either. Why not simply stop at P3s tops, and let some poor ***** in highsec run his spaceport-o-rama colony full of just those plus high-tech processors ? Just concentrate on whatever P3 pays the most (or, heck, even just P2s), and ramp up production of just that, let highsec people churn out the final tiers. This is also especially important right now, when some P3s and P2s are available directly from NPC sell orders at prices you could never hope to compete with (since in some cases, like, oh, say, Guidance Systems, the spaceport export fee alone is HIGHER than the NPC sell order price, so there's really absolutely no freaking way to make ISK from making it yourself). Hmmm, uhm maybe because at the current market prices, P4 items are selling for waay** more than what you could get for a P3/P2 regardless of your production level? I mean your post doesn't even make sense, lol. You're saying to ramp up P3 production, while at the same time (correctly) noting that the current market prices for some P3's won't even justify the export tax!! m'kay
Glorious Pride Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.14 06:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Brock Nelson Originally by: Glorious Pride also takes 4 planets to make a p4 with elite CC's Um...what? I'm making a P4 with 2 planets, both with advanced cc running 24/7?
Ka choop	Posted - 2010.06.14 07:55:00 - [19] Currently, the step where you make the second tier of products is destroying value, it's better to sell your T1 products on the market and buy the T2 products you need.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.06.14 10:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Lagisha I mean your post doesn't even make sense, lol. You're saying to ramp up P3 production, while at the same time (correctly) noting that the current market prices for some P3's won't even justify the export tax!! Well, DUUH, you will pick those P3s which are profitable to make (because not all can be made from NPC-sold things), and buy the rest from the (NPC) market. If you want, you can have a P4 assembly colony near where you sell the stuff, where you combine your profitable-to-make P3s and P2s with the other purchased-from-NPCs P3s and P2s. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _



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