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ExitStrategy
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Posted - 2010.06.13 16:58:00 -
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Ok 2 characters, 2 scenarios;
1) Gallente HAC/BS V, good drone skills but nothing larger than T2 medium hybrids, t3 cruiser, carrier 2) Caldari T2 HAM/HML, HAC, command ship, t3 cruiser, carrier, awful drone skills
what would be the best ship (and relating character) for pure DPS/isk per hour in both;
1) belt ratting (not much tank required) 2) sanctums (more tank than ratting)
thoughts -ishtar is great tank but lacking in drone dps (its what ive been using sofar but its a bit slow) -possible ships could be... raven / CNR nighthawk vindicator / mega navy issue
any tips would be appreciated!
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Lucius Lucrosus
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.13 17:51:00 -
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If you up your drone skills you can get over 500 dps with garde IIs and sentry drone aug rigs, while still maintaining nearly a thousand dps completely capless tank using only t2 shield mods.
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Posted - 2010.06.13 17:58:00 -
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get a tengu.
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Ghaylenty
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Posted - 2010.06.13 17:58:00 -
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i get 10-15m drops in a t2 fit nano deimos doing rats.. 9-12 in a sanctum but there you have the issue of travel time, however some people prefer an ishtar for this, but the skill point investment is significantly higher, not to mention the deimos is basically the worst hac in the game, therefore using it automatically awards you bonus isk per kill.
true story.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.06.13 19:36:00 -
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Im not sure what you are smokeing...
Sentry II Ishtars can do just under 550 dps to 50km with guarde/2x medium sentry dmg rigs, and are the most effective ships to 90km for gurista ratting esp in sanctums, The Domi can do even more since it gets the same drone bonuses and can use turrets. I can solo sanctums all day long in an Ishtar with no warping.
The Tengu can do more damage to 30km but outside of 30km the Ishtar/Domi walk away from the any Caldari ship for DPS.
[Ishtar, 0.0ratter Gurista] Medium Armor Repairer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Capacitor Power Relay I Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Sensor Booster I
Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5
550dps and just under 500dps stable tank
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Vorax Vorago
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Posted - 2010.06.13 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama Im not sure what you are smokeing...
The tengu can get over 800 dps with certain HML fits actually, not to mention tank more. The ishtar has a lower price tag and potentially better frig killing capacities than the tengu.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.06.13 20:12:00 -
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Not using expensive ammo you drop to 550 dps... Also under optimal conditions you can get an ishtar pretty close to that with a full officer fit... ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
MWDrive
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Posted - 2010.06.13 20:59:00 -
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Are you saying you have two chars but will use only one for ratting? If so thats a waste...
Anyway, T2/faction BS will outdamage both tengu and ishtar.
Originally by: Vorax Vorago 734 dps guristas tank, if you swap the ECCM for another CN SBA you get 944 dps tank, which is horrifically overtanked for the tengu...
734 dps tank is already horrifically overtanked. I have 800dps tank on my domi, which has 3 times the sig and no speed. You can easily cut that tank in half for sanctums.
And you can buy and fit 5-6 ishtars for price of that tengu. |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.13 21:28:00 -
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What's wrong with a Drake?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Vorax Vorago
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Posted - 2010.06.13 22:20:00 -
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To be clear, I was not advocating the use of a Tengu when an Ishtar can do the same job for much cheaper without relying on ammo, I just wanted to put out there what the Tengu is capable of. That being said, rage scourges aren't that much more expensive than t1 scourges.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vorax Vorago To be clear, I was not advocating the use of a Tengu when an Ishtar can do the same job for much cheaper without relying on ammo, I just wanted to put out there what the Tengu is capable of. That being said, rage scourges aren't that much more expensive than t1 scourges.
True I see we actually agree!!! And I will admit I was not aware the Tengu was that effective outside 30km, I was under the impression from Tengu pilots that they had range issues outside 30km when fit for max dps. I do concede that a Tengu may be the best 0.0 ratter for Gurista, but the price difference and most fits lack of flexibility tend to muddy the issue.
Originally by: Malcanis What's wrong with a Drake?
Nothing except they tend to be slow. Drakes in general when fit for 0.0 ratting tend to do under 400 dps, and have range or target sig radius issues. So 400dps vs 550 dps. An Ishtar can make 28% more isk per hour then a drake, A Domi which is similar in price and training to a Drake equals a Drake with low skills and exceeds with higher skills. Although there are pretty good reasons not to fly a BS hull in 0.0 ratting. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
ExitStrategy
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Posted - 2010.06.14 04:05:00 -
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thanks for all the replies
i might just try the drone-rigged version of the ishtar, but there's no way i see
Quote: Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
tank getting anywhere near 500dps? speed is excellent though :)
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: ExitStrategy thanks for all the replies
i might just try the drone-rigged version of the ishtar, but there's no way i see
Quote: Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
tank getting anywhere near 500dps? speed is excellent though :)
Swap the nano plate out for adaptive nano II it ups the tank alot. I have adjusted my ship to that. It ups gurista tank to about 500 vs Gurista. Remember to set your dmg profiles in EFT and then set to gurista ;-) you can google how to do that. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
MWDrive
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Posted - 2010.06.14 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama
Originally by: ExitStrategy thanks for all the replies
i might just try the drone-rigged version of the ishtar, but there's no way i see
Quote: Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
tank getting anywhere near 500dps? speed is excellent though :)
Swap the nano plate out for adaptive nano II it ups the tank alot. I have adjusted my ship to that. It ups gurista tank to about 500 vs Gurista. Remember to set your dmg profiles in EFT and then set to gurista ;-) you can google how to do that.
Uhm, I think you mixed a few items. Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II - 20% resists Adaptive Nano Plating II - 15,36%
Anyway, that fit gives you 427 dps tank vs. guristas, with sig of 140m and speed 625 m/s, which is more than enough for sanctums. Just orbit your sentries with AB, most ships won't even hit you. |
Footoo Rama
Gallente Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Footoo Rama on 14/06/2010 16:40:14 Edited by: Footoo Rama on 14/06/2010 16:37:54 swap the nanofiber(speed) for adaptive nano plate II (passive resist). SO tank is one EANM II, passive adaptive nano II, one kin active hardener II, and the MAR II.
Or this... Tanks 479 vs Gurista depending on skills. This build gives you range, and you do not need to run the AB when orbiting drones, It does have a problem with multiple elite cruiser hulls though, you need to watch out with those .25million plus isk elite cruisers, they put out alot of damage that cannot be sig radius tanked.
[Ishtar, 0.0ratter Gurista] Medium Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Capacitor Power Relay I Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Sensor Booster I
Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5
Another option that drops sentry and targeting range but gives you the ability to probe is this fit. It stable tanks 667 DPS vs Gurista
[Ishtar, Ishtar : Gurista exploration fit] Medium Armor Repairer II Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
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