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Larinioides cornutus	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Larinioides cornutus on 14/06/2010 01:54:17 I just realized something when recalling CCP's statement regarding NPC goods: If PI production does not mean their quota, they probably will hold off removal of NPC goods. Hopefully indefinitely. We all know that PI is borked. I personally do not like it. We could show out dissatisfaction by simply not support it, forcing them to keep NPC goods in place. Anyone not wanting to see their SP wasted can do the robotics production well illustrated by Akita here because it contribute nothing to the player market. It offers very good income comparing to the PI model CCP want us to do, btw (~20-30m per hour spent) Not supporting PI has serveral benefits: + Show our dissatisfaction with the way CCP handle PI, make CCP aware that they cant just do whatever crap they like and still get away with it. If this get on the news they'd be in serious trouble because the likelihood of new player joining will be greatly reduced. + Keep POS price low, what's overcharged by npcs will be supplemented by the people who like to keep their income low. + Provide income boost to newer players. The so called "exploit" actually give pretty low ISK/h comparing to other activities once you get the hangs of things. + Does not give older players who have stockpiles years and years worth in NPC goods supplies any bonus. + Force them to hold off DUST, and spend more resource on EVE. I probably have missed many points. Feel free to bash/comment.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:52:00 - [2] I agree please do not make anything with PI. Also tantrums are always the best way to prove... a point? -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Larinioides cornutus	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:59:00 - [3] Originally by: Jin Nib I agree please do not make anything with PI. Also tantrums are always the best way to prove... a point? Thank you for your support. I however wonder how you got the impression of me being angry? I found it a very reasonable movement. Kindly tell me where the wording has misled you and I'd have it changed.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.06.14 02:15:00 - [4] Originally by: Jin Nib I agree please do not make anything with PI. Also tantrums are always the best way to prove... a point? Nice tantrum, bro. CCP could have kept certain npc goods and removed orders for others but chose not to. This leaves silicon at 270 isk/unit of which you need 40 units to contribute to half the production of silicate glass which is worth 170 isk/unit. This also pegs the maximum value of felsic at around 0.8 isk not allowing for production "costs". Of which the last time I look at the jita value it was trading for 8.3 isk. PI itself if you're running extractors is rather click intensive for the income. A new player would be better off in a mining frigate for both income and the amount of clicking. Originally by: LADY MEGA because of the PI?
Zalafas Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.14 02:46:00 - [5] Yes, everyone do as the OP says. I want as much of the market to myself as possible.
Ari Chu Perkone	Posted - 2010.06.14 03:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Zalafas Yes, everyone do as the OP says. I want as much of the market to myself as possible. ^^This --- "The Galaxy is only as big as you make it." - presumably Eve Game Designers.
MX009 Marx Caldari Expeditionary Brigade	Posted - 2010.06.14 03:26:00 - [7] Edited by: MX009 Marx on 14/06/2010 03:29:41 yes i agree atm pi has left a very bad taste in my mouth, i was hope that with the new produtions we would see a vast improvement for smaller corp that would give them an a stable market much like moon mining(especally sine you can't find a decent moon anymore) has done for larger ones. at this point i find the bps for the pos extremely overpriced any yet again end production will fall in the hands of lg corp and alliances. we are given the shaft yet once again by the cccp
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.06.14 03:47:00 - [8] We may find that experimenting noobs are enough to keep the whole galaxy supplied with some of the PI good. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Sephiroth CloneIIV Section 8 Industries Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.06.14 04:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Sephiroth CloneIIV on 14/06/2010 04:29:14 For every PI product you don't make, i'll make 3. I got 3 extracting planets in nullsec, going to send jump freighters full of junk to jita. edit... im going to be rich, byotches, im going to buy carriers and jump freighers to fly around as my new standard ships just so I can show them off. Signature removed for having inappropriate content. Zymurgist
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Larinioides cornutus Thank you for your support. I however wonder how you got the impression of me being angry? I found it a very reasonable movement. Kindly tell me where the wording has misled you and I'd have it changed. Who cares as long as everybody steps out of PI I will be happy. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
xilithia Minmatar pSyChOTIC CareBears	Posted - 2010.06.14 06:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Ari Chu Originally by: Zalafas Yes, everyone do as the OP says. I want as much of the market to myself as possible. ^^This word
William Walker Amarr Skies Tis Moiras	Posted - 2010.06.14 06:29:00 - [12] I agree with OP, don't do PI, so there is more for me! (poet didn't know it etc.) ________________________________________________
Starbuck Caldari Goldadler Enterprises The Seventh Legion	Posted - 2010.06.14 06:35:00 - [13] I frankly think the biggest problem with PI right now is that there still are NPC seeds. So your logic seems flawed. The opposite is what would seem to be called for. However I will not make you engage in PI if you are not enjoying it. Judging from your tears it apparently isn't for you. --------------------------------------------------- Have Rail's. Will travel.
Gaius Clabbacus	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:56:00 - [14] All we need (for now) is a 500% price hike on NPC sell orders.
strcpy	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:18:00 - [15] If you are tech 2 producer just buy the PI products and raise the price of tech 2. end of chapter. PI will rise the price of tech 2 for sure and we will see the pvp comunity cry on forums ...cant wait
Krixal	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:59:00 - [16] I like PI. Therefore i will not stop because you are unhappy. War is not about dying for your faction, its about making the enemy die for theirs.
Larinioides cornutus	Posted - 2010.06.14 19:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Starbuck I frankly think the biggest problem with PI right now is that there still are NPC seeds. So your logic seems flawed. That's actually not the "right now" problem. NPC seeds indeed should have been removed, however removed much, much earlier then it is now. Like, at the same time they told us they are gonna remove the seeds. Alternatively, they could have changed the goods requirement for pos/T2 production so that it use a whole line of new goods produced from PI but not included in any of the current NPC goods. Neither of this happened. This led to people stockpiling their POS fuel/T2 production needs, lasting for several expansion and still some more to sell off. As NPC seeds get removed, the people with incredible profit shall not be any of the late/new players but these people. Does that ring any belt? Remember when T2 BPO no longer come into the market? A 2nd, "by design" issue with PI "right now" is that it favour 0.0 planets and bots. By design, before, even 0.0 corps still have to visit empire often for logistic matters. With PI, they can obtain all of their POS fuel needs within 0-2 jumps. They might still consider making empire trips though; to sell the PI products to smallfries in high sec, cause many wont be able to make enough for their poses. TL,DR: PI is feature that give old characters and big blocks lots of money, and either none or to take it from less rich people. You might find it fun now, but it is easy to see its pitfalls through the momentary, mundane pleasure. Afterall, eve is always about the economy.
Illrean	Posted - 2010.06.14 20:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Larinioides cornutus Originally by: Starbuck TL,DR: PI is feature that give old characters and big blocks lots of money, and either none or to take it from less rich people. You might find it fun now, but it is easy to see its pitfalls through the momentary, mundane pleasure. Afterall, eve is always about the economy. One problem with your reasoning. PI is individual based and not corp/alliance based. 0.0 corps have no way to force the income from players like they can on NPC bounties (corp taxes) or how Moon goo goes into a restricted access silo/hanger. Some CEO can say "You owe the corp half your PI income" and I can just tell him "Half of nothing is nothing" and run my little planets quietly in the background.
LonTas 5 Minmatar Sang Do Oligarchic Democracy	Posted - 2010.06.14 21:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Sephiroth CloneIIV Edited by: Sephiroth CloneIIV on 14/06/2010 04:29:14 For every PI product you don't make, i'll make 3. I got 3 extracting planets in nullsec, going to send jump freighters full of junk to jita. edit... im going to be rich, byotches, im going to buy carriers and jump freighers to fly around as my new standard ships just so I can show them off. And what happens the instant you undock in your shiny new jump freighter from a lowsec station? What do you do when your insurance didnt cover the several billion ISK in your cargo? Do we listen to your rant on C&P? No. PI stinks. Thats why i have only 9k xp in it and im NOT going to get any more. Originally by: aRidionn Wrote a petition about it, but got no answer yet...why does my invulnerability field not make me invulnerable??
Eno Lacigol Amarr Red Chimp Corporation	Posted - 2010.06.14 21:29:00 - [20] Originally by: LonTas 5 Originally by: Sephiroth CloneIIV Edited by: Sephiroth CloneIIV on 14/06/2010 04:29:14 For every PI product you don't make, i'll make 3. I got 3 extracting planets in nullsec, going to send jump freighters full of junk to jita. edit... im going to be rich, byotches, im going to buy carriers and jump freighers to fly around as my new standard ships just so I can show them off. And what happens the instant you undock in your shiny new jump freighter from a lowsec station? What do you do when your insurance didnt cover the several billion ISK in your cargo? Do we listen to your rant on C&P? No. PI stinks. Thats why i have only 9k xp in it and im NOT going to get any more. Hey guys, what's a pos?
Xearal Minmatar SOL Industries Kamikaze Project	Posted - 2010.06.15 01:58:00 - [21] Actually, a planeteer with CCU 4 and PC 4 can maintain several posses using high sec planets only. While high sec sucks compared to low, null and W-space, the production on these planets is enough for small scale operations. Oh.. and FYI, I consider 25M per day for half an hour work every 2-3 days hardly a pittance. Especially not for a character that's only been around since march. And I can spend 30 minutes every 2 days to keep that money flowing in, and still got plenty of time to do other stuff. <a href="https://eve-search.com/externalLink.asp?l=http%3A%2F%2Frumandmonkey%2Ecom%2Fwidgets%2Ftoys%2Ftestgen%2F6199%2F"><img src="http://stat.rumandmonkey.com/tests/9/9/6199/25764.jpg" title="Industrialist with teeth" alt="Industrialist with teeth" border="0"

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