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just saaaaad	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:35:00 - [1] Edited by: just saaaaad on 14/06/2010 09:37:13 Edited by: just saaaaad on 14/06/2010 09:35:52 I know topic was very hot during hulkageddon and there were countless threads redgarding protection from suicide gankers, but im not sure if anyone actually suggested this idea : get your rookie ship and warp to a belt where you want to do some mining. As soon as you do that, target ANYTHING (by anything i mean anything that will get you GCC'd and CONCORDed) and start firing. Concord warps in, pops your ship and STAYS in that location. Now for a price of brandy new rookie ship (....) you have Concord ships right next to you, and instead 10 seconds - or so from the moment you are attacked to the moment when concord warps in and starts jamming the ganker you have an instant Concord response, thanks to those Concord ships guarding you. As soon as your GCC is finished you can go and mine there. I'm not exactly sure how Concord team dispatched to just one ganker would perform against multiple gankers, but even if they can jam just one at a time thats not much of a problem - as far as i know Concord sends one team per each ganker. So if you want to be extra careful against multiple opponents just get your buddy or mate to do it with you at the same time, and you have more Concord teams on stand-by. Security status hits would be a problem though... Anyway im not sure if its a valid method, maybe theres a catch i didnt notice. What do you guys think?
XenosisReaper Rising Ashes Inc. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:39:00 - [2] Its an exploit to purposely seed the belts with concord using an alt. Also WTS paragraphs
just saaaaad	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:41:00 - [3] Is it an exploit doing it using alt or doing it at all?
Ninetails o'Cat League of Super Evil	Posted - 2010.06.14 10:09:00 - [4] Originally by: just saaaaad Is it an exploit doing it using alt or doing it at all? My money's on doing it at all.
Jamie Banks Gallente Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2010.06.14 10:15:00 - [5] I'm pretty sure you are able to pre-spawn concord in your belt. However... The only part of this that is regarded as an exploit is you then 'Trash' that alt character when he reaches -5 sec status or whenever hes not allowed in the system of choice, and then make a new alt. Rinse-repeat for exploitation. _____________________________ EVE - Everyone vs. Everyone Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' Check my Bio in-game for good deals on Invention Packs
XenosisReaper Rising Ashes Inc. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.06.14 10:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Jamie Banks I'm pretty sure you are able to pre-spawn concord in your belt. However... The only part of this that is regarded as an exploit is you then 'Trash' that alt character when he reaches -5 sec status or whenever hes not allowed in the system of choice, and then make a new alt. Rinse-repeat for exploitation. This is (AFAIK) also the case with suicide ganking alts, but I was pretty sure that if you got petitioned after seeding a repeatedly seeding the belts with concord then you'd be warned by the GM's...might petition it and get back to this thread.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:53:00 - [7] It's an exploit and has been discussed to death.
Herufaia	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:54:00 - [8] Edited by: Herufaia on 14/06/2010 11:54:05 Recycling suicide alts is considerd an exploit - whether you use them to gank for profit, fun or to spawn concord in a belt as a protective measure. However - you would not need to keep rolling new alts, as a -10 alt in a friggy would be able to get down into the belt and get a shot off (thus triggering concord) before the navies catch up with him. Spawning concord in a belt is an old technique, and is semi effective. It will not help against smartbombers, alpha strikes, or large numbers of small craft
Minchurra Caldari Feudum Chalybis Primary.	Posted - 2010.06.14 12:20:00 - [9] I thought CONCORD dispatched a new group of NPCs for every agressive act, and that ones that had already spawned did nothing.
Miilla	Posted - 2010.06.14 12:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Miilla on 14/06/2010 12:48:59 It is NOT an exploit.... ... when you pay a new player to do it :) It is a perfectly valid form of gameplay to pay a player to do a "task". Suicide run or whatever. New players need isk, want isk. Pay them 20m.

The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.14 15:32:00 - [11] Its an exploit. ..and I can still kill you in the belt even though you spawned Concord.
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.14 15:41:00 - [12] Originally by: The Crushah Its an exploit. ..and I can still kill you in the belt even though you spawned Concord. I agree with my partner in crime, its an exploit. Just because Concord is at the belt does not mean you are safe. Many of my clients learned that fact the hard way. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Miilla	Posted - 2010.06.14 17:44:00 - [13] It is NOT an exploit.... ... when you pay a new player to do it :) It is a perfectly valid form of gameplay to pay a player to do a "task". Suicide run or whatever. New players need isk, want isk. Pay them 20m.
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.14 19:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Miilla It is NOT an exploit.... ... when you pay a new player to do it :) It is a perfectly valid form of gameplay to pay a player to do a "task". Suicide run or whatever. New players need isk, want isk. Pay them 20m. Sure, then add another 20 mil lost when the miner gets ganked anyways, it is still very doable to gank with concord present. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Spruillo Gallente Spruillo Corp	Posted - 2010.06.14 21:13:00 - [15] Threads like this should spawn CONCORD IRL.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.06.14 21:24:00 - [16] Originally by: Spruillo Threads like this should spawn CONCORD IRL. This tbh ^^ Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.14 22:03:00 - [17] Did someone say Hulkageddon? Also, Hulkageddon III, coming to a belt near you soon (tm) Am now accepting donations on the character hulkageddon jackpot to begin building the prize pot!
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.06.14 22:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Helicity Boson Did someone say Hulkageddon? Also, Hulkageddon III, coming to a belt near you soon (tm) Am now accepting donations on the character hulkageddon jackpot to begin building the prize pot! HOT **ING DAMN I HAVE A SEC STATUS TO INCREASE LEAVE NO HULK UNGANKED! Originally by:** CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow.
Mr ZVER Amarr The Knights Templar R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.06.14 22:55:00 - [19] Zions a Newb P.s this is going to be AWESOME! Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels. Zymurgist
Helmh0ltz The Devolved	Posted - 2010.06.14 22:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Helicity Boson Did someone say Hulkageddon? Also, Hulkageddon III, coming to a belt near you soon (tm) Am now accepting donations on the character hulkageddon jackpot to begin building the prize pot! AAAAHHAAAHAHAAHHAHEEHEHEHEHAAHAHHEHAHH!!!!!! HULKAGEDDON IS BACK BABY!!!!!! I shall be there. /salute ====== Your signature is freakishly huge for this forum. Please resize according to the forum rules, thanks. Shadow.

captain foivos	Posted - 2010.06.15 03:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Helicity Boson Did someone say Hulkageddon? Also, Hulkageddon III, coming to a belt near you soon (tm) Am now accepting donations on the character hulkageddon jackpot to begin building the prize pot! Their Exhumers will burn with the intensity of a thousand suns. Originally by: CCP Shadow If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.06.15 08:12:00 - [22] Eve Account Management > Log in > Cancel Subscription Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
Grunanca Final Agony B A N E	Posted - 2010.06.15 11:28:00 - [23] Originally by: just saaaaad Edited by: just saaaaad on 14/06/2010 09:37:13 Edited by: just saaaaad on 14/06/2010 09:35:52 I know topic was very hot during hulkageddon and there were countless threads redgarding protection from suicide gankers, but im not sure if anyone actually suggested this idea : get your rookie ship and warp to a belt where you want to do some mining. As soon as you do that, target ANYTHING (by anything i mean anything that will get you GCC'd and CONCORDed) and start firing. Concord warps in, pops your ship and STAYS in that location. Now for a price of brandy new rookie ship (....) you have Concord ships right next to you, and instead 10 seconds - or so from the moment you are attacked to the moment when concord warps in and starts jamming the ganker you have an instant Concord response, thanks to those Concord ships guarding you. As soon as your GCC is finished you can go and mine there. I'm not exactly sure how Concord team dispatched to just one ganker would perform against multiple gankers, but even if they can jam just one at a time thats not much of a problem - as far as i know Concord sends one team per each ganker. So if you want to be extra careful against multiple opponents just get your buddy or mate to do it with you at the same time, and you have more Concord teams on stand-by. Security status hits would be a problem though... Anyway im not sure if its a valid method, maybe theres a catch i didnt notice. What do you guys think? And all of this doesnt matter because of the lovely volley damage on tempests...
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.15 13:40:00 - [24] It is not an exploit if you use, lets say, a bantam to spawn concord. As long as you loose actual ISK. No matter how small. _______________________ We come for our people!
Miilla	Posted - 2010.06.15 14:10:00 - [25] Edited by: Miilla on 15/06/2010 14:10:34 As long as you are not evading any mechanics, its is a valid form of gameplay. If CCP have a problem with people exploiting mechanics, they can fix their mechanics to work as it should. Not pass off buck onto players. The blame lies with CCP, not the players if we want to get to the root cause.
War Kitten	Posted - 2010.06.15 15:59:00 - [26] Suicide ganks can never form a solution. One or more ships will always explode and form a precipitate.
howthefuq	Posted - 2010.06.15 17:39:00 - [27] Edited by: howthefuq on 15/06/2010 17:39:46 LOL at this idea. When i lived in Ihak and ran around with IDLE some 6 months ago, we popped 2 hulks with Concord sitting 10 feet away. http://idleempire.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=30237 is the proof. Theres still a delay from when they'll actually start slapping all the suicide gankers with the pwn stick.


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