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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.06.14 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess The Cat Poo is called players in NPC corps.
Why, oh WHY are people allowed to sit in those things, completely immune to honest war declarations, sitting smugly in their officer fitted faction battleships, committing wholesale racial genocide on generations and generations of helpless pirate faction entities in their insatiable pursuit of greed and ISK, knowing full well that Concord will race to their rescue if someone so much as target paints them?
Compromise: War dec only buys off Concord. Anyone who war-decs an NPC corp is also considered to be at war with all NPC and allied NPC factions and corporations. Which translates to being blacklisted by the relevant factions and corps. Meaning, no access to the faction clone/repair/industry/etc. services, no contracts, no market, and shot on sight (pods included) by the faction Navy and the sentry guns (and member players.) With no way to regain standing. (You don't see the Guristas and Caldari making nice, so why should any other pirate be able to either?) Anyone seen ganging with or who allows a blacklisted player access to a POS suffers a faction standings hit.
----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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Kyusoath Orillian
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.06.14 19:56:00 -
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the only fix thats needed is making npc corps subject to the same rules player corps are, that is allow them to be wardec'd.
put new players into 'starter' corps that basically act like current noob corps but kick them into a normal nc corp after 3 months.
i don't see the problem, as these noob corps have tons of members.
all it would do is force people to actually play the game not sit in a noob corp and run missions.
we are not a huge corp, and have about 6 wars active at a time, doesn't impair us at all.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.06.14 20:20:00 -
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If people in NPC corps are posing a problem for you, you're not much better than them yourself.
Join the big kids in lowsec or 0.0 instead of whining about your hisec playmates.
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loony thezoon
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Posted - 2010.06.14 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian
all it would do is force people to.....
Are you a religionist in real life?
How about if everyone forces you to conform to their little world view?
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Ick Ickagami
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.06.14 21:59:00 -
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I personally see no problem whatsoever with setting a 90 playing-day time limit on starter corp membership, after which time a player is simply given a choice to join a PC or be relocated into one of the non-starter NPC corps, with that corp subject to most all of the rules, etc. of any player corp, including the ability to be wardec'd. Obviously, some comparisons will not be able to be duplicated, but by and large, most certainly can.
I would go so far as to allow each non-starter NPC corp to be granted a single constellation of sov in a current NPC controlled 0.0 space, so that the NPC corp players may have access to some of the things currently NOT available to them, and having that sov as a permanancy. Certain system asset fine tuning would be necessary to prevent the systems from becoming invulnerable to invasion, of course. The idea is to preserve the sov.
If the players wish to remain in the NPC corp, that is all well, good and fine, it is only fair that they be subject to the same war declarations as any other corp, and yes, I am well aware of the large number of alts used by nullsec players as a safe means of making ISK when their corp is under wardec. This, I believe, is a source of most of the grumbling about NPC invulnerability to normal war mechanics. It is my humble opinion that it doesn't have to be that way.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.06.14 22:20:00 -
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Quote:
People try this game and run back to wherever they came from because this game, while beautiful in concept, just isn't finished.
This is the wonder of EvE Online. It's not finished. There's no "game over". There's not even a "game plot", an consequential history or whatsnot.
It's US who are the game and somewhat even drive CCP to aim to their next objectives.
How many other games can be unfinished and yet succeed like this? Sure, it takes some ding dong to forge your own future, thousands have proven it can be done. The sandbox *barely* gives you the basic, raw, unfinished tools, all the rest is you (and possibly friends) with or against the universe. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2010.06.14 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ick Ickagami I personally see no problem whatsoever with setting a 90 playing-day time limit on starter corp membership, after which time a player is simply given a choice to join a PC or be relocated into one of the non-starter NPC corps, with that corp subject to most all of the rules, etc. of any player corp, including the ability to be wardec'd. Obviously, some comparisons will not be able to be duplicated, but by and large, most certainly can.
I would go so far as to allow each non-starter NPC corp to be granted a single constellation of sov in a current NPC controlled 0.0 space, so that the NPC corp players may have access to some of the things currently NOT available to them, and having that sov as a permanancy. Certain system asset fine tuning would be necessary to prevent the systems from becoming invulnerable to invasion, of course. The idea is to preserve the sov.
If the players wish to remain in the NPC corp, that is all well, good and fine, it is only fair that they be subject to the same war declarations as any other corp, and yes, I am well aware of the large number of alts used by nullsec players as a safe means of making ISK when their corp is under wardec. This, I believe, is a source of most of the grumbling about NPC invulnerability to normal war mechanics. It is my humble opinion that it doesn't have to be that way.
The difference is that all player corps should be ready for war, members of an npc corp are not.
On the flip side, if normal rules were to apply, then only one or two corps could war dec a npc corp, due to war dec costs. In that case, the tuppence ha'penny little high sec corps deccing would get their arse handed to them, and come to the boards to whine, as you are now.
Real PvPers don't care, only the cowards who want to pvp but don't want to leave high sec whine about it. ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------ |
Th0rG0d
Omnimodus Operandi
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Posted - 2010.06.14 22:56:00 -
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Although it isn't perfect yet, with some tweaking of Faction Warfare, why not make all NPC corps belong to their faction's militia?
Will need some tweaking to allow rival factions better access to their enemies high sec space, but would be fun if they could get it to work. Might be what Faction Warfare needs to improve.
Just a thought...
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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
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Posted - 2010.06.14 22:59:00 -
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The most realistic solution I've heard is that all people above x age in an NPC corp are pushed into that factions factional warfare corp.
However, I'm undecided as to whether there is a problem.
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2010.06.14 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat The most realistic solution I've heard is that all people above x age in an NPC corp are pushed into that factions factional warfare corp.
However, I'm undecided as to whether there is a problem.
All non-PVP centric players will surely love this.
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Balsak
Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.06.14 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat The most realistic solution I've heard is that all people above x age in an NPC corp are pushed into that factions factional warfare corp.
However, I'm undecided as to whether there is a problem.
There is no significant real problem presented by anyone yet. So far it is only a problem for people wishing to war-dec people who won't be able to defend themselves.
The NPC corps are for those who wish to remain corpless or are in between corps. Forcing players into aspects of the game they do not wish will only serve to drive these people from the game and this is a very bad thing. These players in the NPCs are still susceptible suicide ganks in high-sec, pirates in low-sec and everyone in null-sec. These players already pay their 10% tax which is fair, let them remain in these corps free of the corp politics and wars until they feel they are ready to move on to a player run corp or militia.
Now if someone can present a well thought out reason as to why these NPC corps should be allowed to be war-decced I could change my opinion.
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Redpoppy
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Posted - 2010.06.15 00:14:00 -
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the only thing safe from a time limit on NPC corp accounts, OR in general, is a station trader alt? that way you still get to keep your $$$ maker alt and he doesn't keep getting blown up and loses assets and implants?
does this pretty much sum things up?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.06.15 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess The Cat Poo is called players in NPC corps.
Why, oh WHY are people allowed to sit in those things, completely immune to honest war declarations, sitting smugly in their officer fitted faction battleships, committing wholesale racial genocide on generations and generations of helpless pirate faction entities in their insatiable pursuit of greed and ISK, knowing full well that Concord will race to their rescue if someone so much as target paints them?
It is this broken part of the game that needs most direct, immediate addressing, in my not so humble opinion.
Go away noob
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.06.15 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess
Originally by: illy velo Yes, force people into PVP so they will quit playing. If you were a DEV or an accountant with CCP would you seriously consider this?
This 'argument' is tired, lame and fail.
There are too many people in the game now. Make NPC corps subject to wardecs like every other corp until there is no more lag.
There. A nice happy compromise.
i like this, remove NPC corps but on the condition wardecs are removed from highsec makes sense to me if you wanna pvp go to low or null
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Balsak
Minmatar Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.06.15 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Taxesarebad
i like this, remove NPC corps but on the condition wardecs are removed from highsec makes sense to me if you wanna pvp go to low or null
What exactly would this achieve ?
You would still have a group of players that are not in a player corp because they are in between corps or simply choose to not be in a corp. Those that will go to low or null sec would still get shot at regardless or being able to war dec them or not. Those that choose to stick in high sec would never be shot at outside of a suicide gank or can flip. All you end up doing is nerfing war decs.
How would you suggest handling the "removal of NPC corps" anyways ? Remove their common chat channel ?
The way I see this whole idea panning out is that you can do one or two of the following. A) Be allowed to war-dec the NPC corp B) Be able to war-dec individuals C) Remove the npc corp chat
None of these can be good for the game in any way without being too much of a detriment at the same time. The bad far out weighs any good from this.
Again I am not 100% against the idea as long it's properly thought out.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.06.15 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess The Cat Poo is called players in NPC corps.
Why, oh WHY are people allowed to sit in those things, completely immune to honest war declarations, sitting smugly in their officer fitted faction battleships, committing wholesale racial genocide on generations and generations of helpless pirate faction entities in their insatiable pursuit of greed and ISK, knowing full well that Concord will race to their rescue if someone so much as target paints them?
It is this broken part of the game that needs most direct, immediate addressing, in my not so humble opinion.
Just go club a seal why don't you.
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Tianzi Q'triann
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Posted - 2010.06.15 03:30:00 -
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Own up to the following facts.
1. Your a ***** who loves their security status so much that you need a wardec to keep it and love to troll under the arms of CONCORD because the big bad asses who "Didn't do it wrong!" own whole regions of space that you can't take it from them. Its called a gank.
2. CCP ****ed up bigtime with the concept harsh universe for everyone. Lets not forget, as above, your a ***** who is so risk adverse that you won't gank a faction fitted marauder with a faction fitted battleship of your own because you don't like the hit to the wallet. CCP can't even balance a concept of "Active tank skills, high dps sustained tank of PVE that requires months of training vs **** geared, passive buffer ships with an ton of level 3/4 skills after 30 days" after seven years because its just a stupidly slow version of Counterstrike. BANG! terroist dead, respawn, continue yet EVE puts the damper on fun because some basement rat on the otherside of the world who doesn't speak my languag had a bad day can station can any attempt at progession for me and ****ed in my cherrios making me wonder why I should pay a monthly sub to start over from zero again.
3. PVE players are paying to keep the server going so you can **** off into your kill mail tissues, lets not forget that you still can't unlock achievements with them. EVE almost died in the beginning and even CCP representatives said it wasn't sustainable until 35K+ active subs. Want an example of a promising MMO? Go look up Tabula Rasa, didn't make 8 months when made the announcement.
4. Instead of trolling the forums like some immature kid that needs attention See example who I want to smack in front of the parent, you can stop being so butt hurt over people who haven't done a thing to you and go make a difference. Maybe in six months of instead of fail LARPing some pirate in highsec like Logit Probit who won't take a T3 into lowsec but loves to polish his epeen with it against mission runners when they fire back because said fail pirate can't understand the concept of non-consential pvp and afraid to loose a T3 to concord, you can take a piece of null sec away from a huge alliance and gloat against those same highsec carebears that you did something they can't do.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2010.06.15 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian
i don't see the problem because i'm not very bright
agreed
Quote: all it would do is force people to actually play the game not sit in a noob corp and run missions.
if that's what some people want to do and assuming you're not paying for their accounts, what business is it of yours what they do?
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Desigre
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.15 09:31:00 -
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Hmm i wonder if op will feel satisfied if he gets to wardeck npc corp and has to face 10.000 angry mission runners all after his head?
PS. If eve is sandbox, lets leave rule makeing for builder of that sandbox, in this case ccp. My opinion its stupid to try to force people to play how you like.
What we all love about eve is freedom to do what the hell ever we want, with out anyone trying to force their opinion on us.
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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 09:35:00 -
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Fourscore and Seven Trolls ago...
Originally by: XenosisReaper
/me feels left out because he was ignored by the devtrain
Originally by: CCP Shadow
You are hereby "un-ignored". The name XenosisReaper will live on forever
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Sista Jaxx
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.06.15 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess blah blah blah blah blah
Dude. What is your problem?
pre-edit: And why aren't you in a player corp yourself?
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Estella Vance
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Posted - 2010.06.15 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess Stuff
Let me guess, in your childhood you enjoyed beating other kids in YOUR playground...
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Sol Halcon
Minmatar Black Aces AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2010.06.15 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tianzi Q'triann Edited by: Tianzi Q''triann on 15/06/2010 03:37:56 Own up to the following facts.
1. Your a ***** who loves their security status so much that you need a wardec to keep it and love to troll under the arms of CONCORD because the big bad asses who "Didn't do it wrong!" own whole regions of space that you can't take it from them. Its called a gank.
2. CCP ****ed up bigtime with the concept harsh universe for everyone. Lets not forget, as above, your a ***** who is so risk adverse that you won't gank a faction fitted marauder with a faction fitted battleship of your own because you don't like the hit to the wallet. CCP can't even balance a concept of "Active tank skills, high dps sustained tank of PVE that requires months of training vs **** geared, passive buffer ships with an ton of level 3/4 skills after 30 days" after seven years because its just a stupidly slow version of Counterstrike. BANG! terroist dead, respawn, continue yet EVE puts the damper on fun because some basement rat on the otherside of the world who doesn't speak my languag had a bad day can station can any attempt at progession for me and ****ed in my cherrios making me wonder why I should pay a monthly sub to start over from zero again.
3. PVE players are paying to keep the server going so you can **** off into your kill mail tissues, lets not forget that you still can't unlock achievements with them. EVE almost died in the beginning and even CCP representatives said it wasn't sustainable until 35K+ active subs. Want an example of a promising MMO? Go look up Tabula Rasa, didn't make 8 months when made the announcement.
4. Instead of trolling the forums like some immature kid that needs attention See example who I want to smack in front of the parent, you can stop being so butt hurt over people who haven't done a thing to you and go make a difference. Maybe in six months of instead of fail LARPing some pirate in highsec like Logit Probit who won't take a T3 into lowsec but loves to polish his epeen with it against mission runners when they fire back because said fail pirate can't understand the concept of non-consential pvp and afraid to loose a T3 to concord, you can take a piece of null sec away from a huge alliance and gloat against those same highsec carebears that you did something they can't do.
edit: Forgot to mention, while your so butt hurt I was able to help a dozen newbs over the course of the weekend with simple questions. There are veterans in newb corps that help out actual newbs so they understand simple basic concepts that they actually sub before 14 days to give CCP cash, otherwise most newbs will quit when the sub ends and never come back to EVE because it is so harsh and they got podded repeatedly trying to learn from asshats such as yourself who only want a kill mail regardless if its a 3 day velator or a 2 year titan. **** if you care though, its just to make yourself feel better while you stroke off to pixels at night.
Game over...OP is PWNed You can fly my wing anytime Tianzi <=========================================> Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world. |
David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.15 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess
Originally by: illy velo Yes, force people into PVP so they will quit playing. If you were a DEV or an accountant with CCP would you seriously consider this?
This 'argument' is tired, lame and fail.
There are too many people in the game now. Make NPC corps subject to wardecs like every other corp until there is no more lag.
There. A nice happy compromise.
how exactly would pushing players into player run corps reduce lag? lag is not determined by the corp your in its determined by a number of physical factors. A. your net connection B. your computer's hardware C. is the server node boosted? D. is a database about to fail over E. has CCP tuxford been let out of his cage? SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Bad Princess
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.15 11:31:00 -
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Wow. I mean, really, WOW!
It is so very blatantly OBVIOUS who the alts of nullsec players are in this thread. How DARE someone even MENTION the idea of disrupting their no-risk easy ISK mission running alts?
Just like PI was created to feed the POS structures of the big nullsec entities so they don't have to be bothered RISKING hauling goods to keep their POS structures running, so it is that nobody should ever make them RISK making isk with their mains........
And, of course, the blind clueless carebear nubs buy right into this garp hook, line and sinker because the whole no risk - easy ISK lifestyle is what they are all about anyway.
It's all 'multi-player' and 'cooperation' until it is time to get serious about making isk, then it's LEAVE ME NPC ALT ALONE SO I CAN MAKE ME RISK FREE ISKS!
Pffft.
Thanks for making my points nice and glaringly obvious.
So it has always been, and so it will always be. Hiding in NPC corps to keep the wallets stuffed.
Bah.
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Ringo Jeicha
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.15 11:37:00 -
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH They dont want to play the game like i want them to. My pvpskills suck so i can only handle pve players 10:1. WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH --- Braaaiiinnnsssssssssss |
Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.15 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess Wow. I mean, really, WOW!
It is so very blatantly OBVIOUS who the alts of nullsec players are in this thread. How DARE someone even MENTION the idea of disrupting their no-risk easy ISK mission running alts?
Just like PI was created to feed the POS structures of the big nullsec entities so they don't have to be bothered RISKING hauling goods to keep their POS structures running, so it is that nobody should ever make them RISK making isk with their mains........
And, of course, the blind clueless carebear nubs buy right into this garp hook, line and sinker because the whole no risk - easy ISK lifestyle is what they are all about anyway.
It's all 'multi-player' and 'cooperation' until it is time to get serious about making isk, then it's LEAVE ME NPC ALT ALONE SO I CAN MAKE ME RISK FREE ISKS!
Pffft.
Thanks for making my points nice and glaringly obvious.
So it has always been, and so it will always be. Hiding in NPC corps to keep the wallets stuffed.
Bah.
Post with your main, and when you do, don't troll.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.15 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess The Cat Poo is called players in NPC corps.
Why, oh WHY are people allowed to sit in those things, completely immune to honest war declarations, sitting smugly in their officer fitted faction battleships, committing wholesale racial genocide on generations and generations of helpless pirate faction entities in their insatiable pursuit of greed and ISK, knowing full well that Concord will race to their rescue if someone so much as target paints them?
It is this broken part of the game that needs most direct, immediate addressing, in my not so humble opinion.
Spoken like a true carebear. YOU are the coward of Eve. Not those you call carebears. Tired of being shot back at? And so you think the solution is to be able to shoot PVE ships with your PVP ship? Oh there definitely needs to be someone going back to WoW, but it isn't who you think it is.
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Star Chief
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Posted - 2010.06.15 11:49:00 -
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Oh, shut up, you Princess. You just want better loot drops without putting your Rifter at greater risk.
(I posted with my NPC alt just to **** you off).
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.15 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Princess The Cat Poo is called players in NPC corps.
Why, oh WHY are people allowed to sit in those things, completely immune to honest war declarations, sitting smugly in their officer fitted faction battleships, committing wholesale racial genocide on generations and generations of helpless pirate faction entities in their insatiable pursuit of greed and ISK, knowing full well that Concord will race to their rescue if someone so much as target paints them?
It is this broken part of the game that needs most direct, immediate addressing, in my not so humble opinion.
1. I don't think there's not a single mmorpg without some safe zone. EVE already allows you to kill even them - at a price. You can still happily suicide gank them, they're not invulnerable. 2. Removing NPC corps will scare away people, you may think EVE is overpopulated, I think CCP won't mind a ton of new subscribers. So they can a.o. improve the game at a faster rate - who would object to that?
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