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Dr Fab
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Posted - 2010.06.14 20:07:00 -
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I have a faction fit CNR that EFT is telling me does around 360 dps with my skills, not counting drones or target specific damage. Currently I do missions for Caldari Navy. How fast do I have to blow through a mission before it becomes profitable to blitz them and skip looting? Lets say I have a hurricane salvager that can clean things up very quickly after the mission. How much DPS is needed before you can successfully blitz missions for LP? Secondly, Caldari navy is probably not a good corp to blitz for, right?
I can get anywhere from 10-20 mil from loot and salvage for a mission, especially if its something like damsel. Skipping this seems like I'd have to be pretty damn fast to make up for all that lost salvage.
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Backho
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Posted - 2010.06.14 20:20:00 -
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As long as you have a full rack of missiles, blitzing is alwys profitable.
I started blitzing even in a raven with 2m SP in hand.
The thing is, blitzing doesnt mean you cant loot. the only thing you miss is salvage.
As long as you complete most missions under 30 minutes its better blitzing then stopping to salvage.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.06.14 22:25:00 -
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The best salvage from a battleship is generally 4 armour plates or trit bars, but you usually end up only getting 2 on average. So if you can blow up the battleships faster than 400k ISK every 20 seconds, you're better off blitzing. If you take longer than that, your salvaging income will be equal to your mission-running income.
Flying marauders changes the rules of course, since you wait for the big fat bounties to get within 40km before blowing them up, and you tractor all the large wrecks to salvage and loot.
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Amarr Citizen178913543453
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Posted - 2010.06.15 03:54:00 -
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How are you only doing 360 dps in a CNR?
Can you show us your fit? I know this isn't the ships/mod forum, but you should be able to milk a LOT more dps out of that ship.
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Zxays
Caldari
Echolon Four Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Zxays on 15/06/2010 07:34:20
Edited by: Zxays on 15/06/2010 07:33:35
Actually u don't need to be pretty damn fast. Average dps of a CNR should be enough. Although there are some missions that I always loot and salvage, no matter how fast I was able to complete them. And 360 dps is no where near "average"... u should do at least about 600dps without drones. Till then I recommend to stay away from "blitzing".
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.06.15 10:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Zxays
Edited by: Zxays on 15/06/2010 07:34:20
Edited by: Zxays on 15/06/2010 07:33:35
Actually u don't need to be pretty damn fast. Average dps of a CNR should be enough. Although there are some missions that I always loot and salvage, no matter how fast I was able to complete them. And 360 dps is no where near "average"... u should do at least about 600dps without drones. Till then I recommend to stay away from "blitzing".
I believe OP listed his average effective dps against mission rats, as opposed to omg-600-dps spherical eft dps, which seems about right.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.06.15 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
I believe OP listed his average effective dps against mission rats, as opposed to omg-600-dps spherical eft dps, which seems about right.
Originally by: Dr Fab
EFT is telling me
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.06.15 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
I believe OP listed his average effective dps against mission rats, as opposed to omg-600-dps spherical eft dps, which seems about right.
Originally by: Dr Fab
EFT is telling me
Control -D.
You will be surprised.
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Asuka Hachimoto
Caldari
Secret Squirrel Readiness Group
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Posted - 2010.06.15 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Asuka Hachimoto on 15/06/2010 12:07:03
Blitzing is a "playstyle" for mission running, it can be done with any fitting, but to properly blitz missions, were taking under <20 mins your need atleast 7-800+ dps
Basically you go in, steamroll everything and then leave, theres usually advice on eve survival about some waves being skippable if your after LP, or learning what you can kill in one go before your pushed over breaking point comes from experience
How you do this is upto you,im only gonna talk caldari since you mention CNR, a Torp golem for example does 700-1100dps from 40km - 60km, and has great res for low tank fits slot wise
Cruise CNR can get respectable dps, but it wont beat a torp ship for sheer speed, and no, the range is not a issue, you shoot at things OTW to the far guys, pulling all aggro you can take, just laze them with a painter and let them close, no npc bs is faster than a AB bs when they start their orbit ****, and the 20-30km gives you enough time to spit torps at everything that moves
but generally speaking for ravens your looking at bare minimiun tank, and lots of dps, aka 3-4 bcu, 1 booster 1 amp 2 hardners and painter + AB, torps then missile speed and flight time rigs, salva,tractor, i think you may need faction for cpu, no EFT on me atm
cruise + tank is for low skill players imo, torps and gank ( or cruise if you like em that much) for older players
Certainly no cap stable fits, its all about killing things before they break your low tank. cap stable should only be for low sp tbh, because you need that cap to last out the rats with poor dps
Your cnr could easily do 700 with torps, fit a tractor and salvager and scoop bs wrecks as you go, soon as the last rat dies you warp out, you still gain some cash
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.06.15 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Lugalzagezi666 on 15/06/2010 12:09:19
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Control -D.
You will be surprised.
No, i wont.
Dps graph cannot tell you what will be your average dps to npcs...
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.06.15 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
No, im wont.
Dps graph cannot tell you what will be your average dps to npcs...
Its a good start.
should i point you also to npc database and eve-survival for the next logical step in computation of average mission dps for your boat ?
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.06.15 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Its a good start.
should i point you also to npc database and eve-survival for the next logical step in computation of average mission dps for your boat ?
So original poster definitely researched npc database and eve survival and proceeded into computation of "average mission dps" his boat does...
Originally by: Dr Fab
EFT is telling me does around 360 dps with my skills, not counting drones or target specific damage.
Next logical step for you - stop posting ****.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.06.15 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: Dr Fab
EFT is telling me does around 360 dps with my skills, not counting drones or target specific damage.
Next logical step for you - stop posting ****.
I would recommend to wash your mouth with soap voluntary before moderators force you to do it :)
By the way explain me what is that "target specific damage" ?
For raven boat all i am interested in - how my dps is affected by target's signature radius/speed, not resists.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.06.15 13:29:00 -
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It means, that op just looked on dps number in eft /= exactly what original post says/.
You posted, that he magically computed "average dps" he will be doing /ofc average for every mission caldari navy agent can give you/.
I pointed to that you are wrong when you think that.
You are now bitter you are wrong.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.06.15 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
It means, that op just looked on dps number in eft /= exactly what original post says/.
You posted, that he magically computed "average dps" he will be doing /ofc average for every mission caldari navy agent can give you/.
I pointed to that you are wrong when you think that.
You are now bitter you are wrong.
In fact i am annoyed by people who reference ship high in transit without much thinking. Such remark in bar for example would give you high chances of closed cerebral trauma. That's for the bitter part.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.06.15 14:55:00 -
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Np, next time pay more attention when reading original post so you can prevent yourself from such bad things /i.e. thinking/.
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Ethan Blue
Domine Noctis
Kamikaze Project
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Posted - 2010.06.15 17:23:00 -
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Get a room and get it over with. Don't forget to wrap your Avatar...
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Pantload
Gallente
The Underpants Gnomes
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.06.15 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
It means, that op just looked on dps number in eft /= exactly what original post says/.
You posted, that he magically computed "average dps" he will be doing /ofc average for every mission caldari navy agent can give you/.
I pointed to that you are wrong when you think that.
You are now bitter you are wrong.
In fact i am annoyed by people who reference ship high in transit without much thinking. Such remark in bar for example would give you high chances of closed cerebral trauma. That's for the bitter part.
What does this response mean? If you guys were in a bar together, you'd hit him in the head because of a discussion about the dps of internet spaceships?
Also, peak raw dps for a Cruise CNR easily exceeds 800 not including drones. 360 seems a wee bit off to me. OP should work on improving damage output for blitzing to be maximally profitable.
Cheers,
PL
TUG: The Underpants Gnomes.
Buy Corps here
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Kuso Tabeteshine
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Posted - 2010.06.15 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pantload
Also, peak raw dps for a Cruise CNR easily exceeds 800 not including drones.
Wrong. This is exactly why people get confused. CNR pilots tend to exagerate numbers and estimate with all skills at 5, uber hardwirings, 3bil+ fits, and drones included.
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Pantload
Gallente
The Underpants Gnomes
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.06.15 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kuso Tabeteshine
Originally by: Pantload
Also, peak raw dps for a Cruise CNR easily exceeds 800 not including drones.
Wrong. This is exactly why people get confused. CNR pilots tend to exagerate numbers and estimate with all skills at 5, uber hardwirings, 3bil+ fits, and drones included.
This is not wrong. It's not even an exaggeration and it's not using the All 5 toon in EFT. It's using my own toon. Admittedly my guy has a lot of level 5's but obviously not ALL level 5's. He does have hardwires but that amount of damage can be achieved with an all T2 fit except for faction BCU ( which are definitely a worthwhile investment for a RAven or CNR pilot ) and it does not include drones. The exact raw DPS for missiles only is 820 DPS. Would be 838 if I had Spec skill to 5.
You gotta check your facts, bubba, before you just call shenanigans.
Cheers,
PL
TUG: The Underpants Gnomes.
Buy Corps here
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.06.16 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pantload
What does this response mean? If you guys were in a bar together, you'd hit him in the head because of a discussion about the dps of internet spaceships?
Its more like, someone walks up to other guy at the bar stand and exclaims - man, you are talking ... !
The chances of getting hit in the head are high in such case.
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EMORAGEQUIT
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Posted - 2010.06.18 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Pantload
What does this response mean? If you guys were in a bar together, you'd hit him in the head because of a discussion about the dps of internet spaceships?
Its more like, someone walks up to other guy at the bar stand and exclaims - man, you are talking ... !
The chances of getting hit in the head are high in such case.
I take it you've been to numerous bars talking out of your rear like in this post.
Then quit going to bars as you found the forums more suitable for your brains wellbeing.
Ammirite?
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.06.18 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: EMORAGEQUIT
I take it you've been to numerous bars talking out of your rear like in this post.
Then quit going to bars as you found the forums more suitable for your brains wellbeing.
Ammirite?
you are either very good at assumptions or you have a first hand experience with behavioral pattern described. I believe it is second case, emorage
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Potato IQ
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:15:00 -
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Handbags at 20 paces
Not quite sure how this rubbish is helping the OP
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EMORAGEQUIT
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Potato IQ
Handbags at 20 paces
Not quite sure how this rubbish is helping the OP
OP was rubbish to beging with tbqh.
We're just here to enjoy the ride... At least I am anyways.
OP could afford a CNR but had no time to figure out how or why to improve DPS in order to "blitz efficiently".
Had to come to forums, for this?
No wonder people are so keen on verbal assaulting eachother on the forums.
Non-consensual forum pvp is best pvp, no? 
Pirate hats off to the guys posted actuall answers.
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