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Colonel Evans	Posted - 2010.06.14 23:25:00 - [1] Edited by: Colonel Evans on 14/06/2010 23:25:45 What do you guys like to hear from the commentators personally, i'm curious as to what characteristics you seek from your qualified-PvP expert-AT coverage personnel. In b4 'IQ above 30' and 'not idiots' btw
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.14 23:46:00 - [2] Ideally I'd like to see one commentator who's very knowledgeable about pvp and fleet tactics, and maybe one commentator who's just good at narrating whats happening and not driving me nuts. Ideally the pvp commentator will speculate as to what tactics are being used and provide a good knowledge base and some critique as to fittings and tactics. The non-pvp commentator will add filler/narration/ask questions to prompt the pvp commentator. He should also refrain from saying really obvious stuff, e.g. "now all they need to do is kill the other team while not dieing themselves and they'll win the match" (unless it's for humors effect). Highly inaccurate statements or claims in the field of pvp are a really big turn off as well. Both commentators should have their mics properly EQed and balanced, no clipping from too much gain, no massive base, no super think and hard to understand accent, etc. etc. Both commentators should work well together, at least enough that they're not constantly talking over each other. It's fine if they narrate whats happening on video, as sometimes I'll just be listening to the audio or concentrating on one part and not notice something else that's going on. Calling out what ewar effects and turrets they see is awesome, because it's sometimes hard to make out that stuff on the video, especially in lowres. Also, they shouldn't be idiots, shouldn't have an IQ less than 30, and shouldn't be named "Brianna" - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
Max Wilson	Posted - 2010.06.14 23:58:00 - [3] Originally by: Colonel Evans Edited by: Colonel Evans on 14/06/2010 23:25:45 What do you guys like to hear from the commentators personally, i'm curious as to what characteristics you seek from your qualified-PvP expert-AT coverage personnel. In b4 'IQ above 30' and 'not idiots' btw Apparently they are idiots. Some maelstrom was using arties for sure, and the commentators went: "I think it is arties, but I'm not quite sure" ----- open your eyes then.. No big fire effect, like 8 - 10 secs between shots. It is arties!! And then he started to blame them for not going close range. They would get in trouble tracking and they would be easier to kill if they went close range. Another one was some commentator wondering why they brought worms and not ishkurs. He claimed it was a point issue, but they are worth the same amount of points: " Frigate, Faction - 4 Assault Frigate - 4" And so far there has been no match without the explanation of the difference between shield and armour tanks. But they always forget the main reason to go shield: speed. But to be a bit positive.. The commentators have been very fun, and entertaining, but for the serious stuff on who's winning, I trust my corp mates more. I should go to bed now.. But real pvp'ers would be nice in the future.
Kil2 Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.15 00:02:00 - [4] that was my match and i just went to check to be absolutely sure- they were autocannons. they did needed to close range. maybe you should put a little more faith in your commentators in the future. i assure you that all commentators have plenty of pvp experience. check club-bear.com/videos if you want proof of mine.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.15 00:04:00 - [5] I would personally like at least one commentator who has taken part in the Alliance Tournament, so they can have a pilot's perspective on what emotions they may be going through at certain points during the match.
Kashimir Otoko no Baito The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.15 00:29:00 - [6] I'm really pleased with the commentators this year, although I pretty much have been every year. In my opinion probably the most important trait in anyone commentating anywhere is confidence to let out own views and character, and I think everyone of our dear experts tend to get this sorted out during the first days. Possibly the greatest moments in the history of Eve commentating for me have been the KIAEddz' absurd tension while he cheered for his team.
Whiny McEmokid	Posted - 2010.06.15 01:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Max Wilson Apparently they are idiots. Some maelstrom was using arties for sure, and the commentators went: "I think it is arties, but I'm not quite sure" ----- open your eyes then.. No big fire effect, like 8 - 10 secs between shots. It is arties!! And then he started to blame them for not going close range. They would get in trouble tracking and they would be easier to kill if they went close range. it must be embarassing being you.
TeaDaze	Posted - 2010.06.15 01:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Kil2 i assure you that all commentators have plenty of pvp experience. check club-bear.com/videos if you want proof of mine. Confirming that Kil2 knows his stuff when it comes to PvP. The arty argument has come up before because the 800mm repeating artillery have the single bang animation but are actually autocannons which usually have the burst of fire animation. I was keeping an eye out and most maelstroms were running ~3.5 second ROF so not "proper" arties. I've not looked at all matches yet though. Originally by: QwaarJet I would personally like at least one commentator who has taken part in the Alliance Tournament, so they can have a pilot's perspective on what emotions they may be going through at certain points during the match. That is a fair point, maybe for AT9 TeaDaze.net Blog \| CSM Database
BAteh We're Just Screwing Around	Posted - 2010.06.15 02:05:00 - [9] Edited by: BAteh on 15/06/2010 02:05:52 Originally by: Kil2 that was my match and i just went to check to be absolutely sure- they were autocannons. they did needed to close range. maybe you should put a little more faith in your commentators in the future. i assure you that all commentators have plenty of pvp experience. check club-bear.com/videos if you want proof of mine. You are easily rated #1 on AT8, Kil2. A bit nervous at start, which is expected, normal AND excusable. And you know your stuff. You can even pronounce most (if not all) the ship names correctly. Shame you're the ONLY ONE this year. Really, Brianna's "bale-gorn" and Darius' all-around bad jokes, bad humour, bad taste, and bad knowledge just make YOU look bad.
Halaster Blackcloak GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2010.06.15 02:33:00 - [10] Edited by: Halaster Blackcloak on 15/06/2010 02:36:41 I personally liked the statistics thrown around, ie: "100% of teams that fielded 6 players lost" those sort of things are useful, also i would like commentators to do their homework and research past tournaments or even past matches, i remember one of them didnt even remember how certain team did the previous weekend. Stuff like knowing how many points a team needs to qualify for example, or that "TEAM A" lost his previous match so he needs to **** in this one, or that "TEAM A" lost with 0 points gained so he doesnt really stand a chance. so tl;dr: collect more info, do your homework

5kyscreamx Mad Bombers HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.06.15 03:04:00 - [11] chribba for commentator =====
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2010.06.15 03:34:00 - [12] Kil2 and Verone are my favorites, you can tell the difference between those who have plenty of PVP experience by the speed at which they can relay what is happening in a coherent manner. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City'
TSX01	Posted - 2010.06.15 04:24:00 - [13] Just for the major lolz, I would like to see a match commented by Brianna and Darius Johnson together. 1 has nothing insightful to say, the other repeats what the other ones says, it would be pretty funny
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2010.06.15 04:40:00 - [14] Originally by: BAteh You are easily rated #1 on AT8, Kil2. the best out of 5 bowls of dog poo...is still a bowl of dog poo... _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
BFish Gallente Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.06.15 06:40:00 - [15] Edited by: BFish on 15/06/2010 06:43:14 Edited by: BFish on 15/06/2010 06:42:42 Originally by: Dian'h Might They shouldn't be idiots, shouldn't have an IQ less than 30, and shouldn't be named "Brianna" The above quote has been scaled down to a TL;DR version for your viewing pleasure. Anyway, I have to say that DariusJOHNSON's commentating has stepped up in the second weekend compared to the first, and although he's not as fast paced and skilled in PVP as Kil2 appears to be, they both compliment eachother well in commentating. This can't be said for Verone and Brianna however. Sometimes, just sometimes, when I listen to Verone laughing when Brianna asked him about what he thought about how the Tengu looked like a fish, I can hear a voice in his head going WHY AM I STUCK WITH THIS WOMAN. I was overjoyed on Sunday when I found out Brianna was not commentating. Some people have brought up the argument that "Oh, it's her first time, leave her alone" or "She's just nervous, how would you feel if you were being listened to by thousands of people". However, I myself am a Theatre student, I've performed in front of audiences of hundreds and I know what stage fright feels and looks like, how it feels to make a mistake or to mess up a line. Nervousness can cause underemphasis with words and an unwillingness to draw attention to yourself. Brianna, on the other hand, is constantly willing to draw maximum attention to herself with a great deal of emphasis. She seems extremely happy to go rambling on about fish and bugs and Balegorns and pointing out obvious things and repeating near everything her fellow commentator says. In all seriousness, I've got nothing against her playing Eve. I'm fine with her doing whatever she wants in the game to make herself happy. But when it's myself and the other thousands of people watching the alliance tournament, when it's our fun, our entertainment she's affecting, things are quite different. Anyway, rant about Brianna aside, I'd like to see more commentators like Kil2, Verone and Darius. Easy to understand, fairly knowledgable about various aspects of Eve, able to have a laugh when something's funny, and with personalities that I can really connect with when listening to their commentary. Ah well. Roll on finals weekend! Edit: As a side note, I'm even thinking of applying for next year as long as it doesn't interfere with the uni year, before anyone says "You do it then" ----------------- -----------------
Kadka STK Scientific The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.15 06:53:00 - [16] Edited by: Kadka on 15/06/2010 06:54:50 TotalBiscuit, thank you for taking the time to provide your "professional" two cents. You provide good insight and background knowledge, something lacking in the thread thus far. As far as the commentators go, here's how I feel it: Kil2, you generally know your stuff, but you come across as tense or nervous. Chill man, we're all hear to listen to you, and you do have a decent gist of what's going on on the field. Speak with conviction! Day 4 you were on your game much more and came across much smoother. Verone I personally like to listen to a lot, as he has a naturally smooth voice and a gentle, humble attitude. He exudes a sense of joy at just being able to do what he's doing, which is really nice. He would be a great balance against someone like Kil2, filling the dead space between analytical statements and bouncing jokes back and forth. Regardless of the mistakes he makes, he's a keeper. Darius might have been a decent leader ingame (c/d?), but his deadpan nature does not lend well to commentating. His jokes are flat and incredibly dry, and lend more to studio work (aka reading off a sheet). Switch Darius and Soundwave. AngelHun is fantastic. His situational awareness and informational fill-ins are spot on. His only drawback is the nature of his voice; couple him with a high energy voice (Kil2) or a smooth talker (Verone) and you'd have quite the duo. PL vs. MoW was brilliantly done by both parties, and they lended well to each other. Briana is not as terrible as people make her out to be, but she is by no means good in any way. All you crying sexism, you're a bunch of f-ing morons. Remove head from sphincter and actually listen to her. She is not a good speaker, and it has nothing to do with pronunciation (I don't care if you say bahl-gorn or bale-gorn), it has to do with delivery. Whether english is her first language or not, she needs lessons on smooth speech patterns. For future tourneys, I'd love to see some indication of EW on our screens. For you who say give the commentators a break, no, screw you, I will not allow my intelligence to be insulted simply because you have incredibly low standards. An enjoyable experience for all (read "most") means the standards of the studio need to be higher than that of the status quo. EDIT: BFish, QFT!
Arto Nupponen Caldari Rosvosektori Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.15 06:58:00 - [17] Very nice commenting on last sunday. In our match commentators spotted damps and TD's quite nicely. Other than that I guess it was somewhat easy match to comment too.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.15 07:17:00 - [18] Originally by: 5kyscreamx chribba for commentator I probably would be the worst commentator ever. PVP isn't my strong side Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

LoveKebab Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.15 09:30:00 - [19] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1336869 xVid4PSP MKV Encoding Tutorial
Kage Toshimado GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2010.06.15 12:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: 5kyscreamx chribba for commentator I probably would be the worst commentator ever. PVP isn't my strong side What if the was an Alliance Mining Tournament though? I think you'd be pretty good at that no? "Looks like Team A has pulled out the Hulk's and are going straight away for the Golden Omber. I don't think this belt stands much of a chance."

Doctor Mustaka Caldari Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.06.15 12:55:00 - [21] Originally by: 5kyscreamx chribba for commentator Yeah that would be smart. It would go something like "And in this match we have.... Oh look VELDSPAR!!!!!!!" from there all we would here is nomnomnonmnomnomnom and the odd belch and fart. Darius Johnson should go. All he ever says is "And pilot x is now at 3/4 shield". No **** sherlock. We can see that just as well as you can. Tell us why you muppet or GTFO!!! Kil2 your okay. You can stay but smack Darius upside the head would ya.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.06.15 13:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Kage Toshimado Originally by: Chribba Originally by: 5kyscreamx chribba for commentator I probably would be the worst commentator ever. PVP isn't my strong side What if the was an Alliance Mining Tournament though? I think you'd be pretty good at that no? "Looks like Team A has pulled out the Hulk's and are going straight away for the Golden Omber. I don't think this belt stands much of a chance." + I'd prolly declare the wrong team as winners beacause they win in the style class. Gonna be messy with me around for sure. Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

olo VonBorg	Posted - 2010.06.19 12:04:00 - [23] 1.The Proteus Plural made my day ! 2.K2 is the ONLY commentator Expert deserving that title - the rest is players having fun commenting the things they are familiar with. 3.More detailed comments please on scotch and cornflake ammo and please Brianna: I hope u did listen to your own commentary in a review fashion - did you like it ? 4- more StevieSG ( Thurman) footage !
Napro Caldari Buccaneers of New Eden death from above..	Posted - 2010.06.19 12:30:00 - [24] Can you shell out a few bucks and get a real commentator... Dennis Miller should be available
TeaDaze	Posted - 2010.06.19 12:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Napro Can you shell out a few bucks and get a real commentator... Dennis Miller should be available The trick would be finding a professional commentator with enough eve knowledge. Taking a commentator from one sport and throwing them into another which they don't have involvement in would be fail. Imagine a Nascar commentator trying to commentate on a Keirin cycle race. Yes both sports happen on oval banked tracks but without the in depth knowledge the commentator can't add anything past what everyone can see is going on. Back to the Eve tourney, things should be better this weekend because the commentators have had practice and (some) constructive feedback. Plus they get more freedom, due to the gaps between matches, to add value and discuss the tourney in more detail. TeaDaze.net Blog \| CSM Database
Napro Caldari Buccaneers of New Eden death from above..	Posted - 2010.06.19 13:01:00 - [26] Edited by: Napro on 19/06/2010 13:02:49 I see you read the first half of my post before your ADD kicked in. No worries, I'll explain it. Dennis Miller was a comedian. He was hired on to comment Monday Night Football. It is simply not that hard to get up to speed on a subject for an experienced commenter. As far as the player commenters getting better.... Big Woop. We still have to deal with the new shut-in neckbeards next year. Bring in a pro.
TeaDaze	Posted - 2010.06.19 13:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Napro I see you read the first half of my post before your ADD kicked in. No worries, I'll explain it. Dennis Miller was a comedian. He was hired on to comment Monday Night Football. I did read your whole post, but I discounted you actually being serious about CCP spending most of the tourney budget on hiring him for 3 weekends Plus one commentator (even with support) covering 16 matches a day - You'd need to get two Pros and alternate them. Originally by: Napro It is simply not that hard to get up to speed on a subject for an experienced commenter. As long as they have interest in the subject perhaps. Originally by: Napro As far as the player commenters getting better.... Big Woop. We still have to deal with the new shut-in neckbeards next year. Bring in a pro. I would be interested to see how that worked out TeaDaze.net Blog \| CSM Database
Zephirz Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2010.06.19 14:09:00 - [28] Who is the guy that keeps saying effectual instead of effective? Or is effectual an english word afterall? Im not sure, it really annoys me but i havent heard anyone complain about it so it might just me my english failing :P On another note, verone and kil2 give top notch commentary (club bear fanboi \o/ )
olo VonBorg	Posted - 2010.06.19 14:13:00 - [29] effectual \|iˈfek ch oōəl\| adjective (typically of something inanimate or abstract) successful in producing a desired or intended result; effective : tobacco smoke is the most effectual protection against the mosquito. See note at effective . DERIVATIVES effectuality \|iˌfek ch oōˈalitē\| \|əˈfɛk(t)ʃəˈw°lədi\| \|iˈfɛk(t)ʃəˈw°lədi\| \|-ˈalɪti\| noun effectually \|əˈfɛk(t)ʃ(əw)əli\| \|iˈfɛk(t)ʃ(əw)əli\| adverb effectualness \|əˈfɛk(t)ʃ(əw)əlnəs\| \|iˈfɛk(t)ʃ(əw)əlnəs\| noun ORIGIN late Middle English : from medieval Latin effectualis, from Latin effectus (see effect ).
Zephirz Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2010.06.19 14:29:00 - [30] lol, alright. It still sounds weird tho!



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