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Funky Lazers
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:09:00 -
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Hey there! I've been told many times that Gallente and Hybrids are good now. Is it true? This tells me no one flys them.
Am I missing something? |

McFukinPate
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:19:00 -
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Applying blaster damage is not as easy as fiddling with EFT to simply get the highest number. |

Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:20:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Hey there! I've been told many times that Gallente and Hybrids are good now. Is it true? This tells me no one flys them. Am I missing something?
15) Lachesis 17) Naga (hybrid platform)
Also blasters ranked in there too.
I think that list is not indicative enough of actual usage. If you get 2000 easy kills in a Drake blob and 1 good solo kill in a Talos, which is 'better' or 'good'?
Seem to be lots of Gallente ships in the AT X too, which might tell you something. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |

Planetmaster
Weekenders
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:20:00 -
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Yes its true. But its not "easy" mode like with missiles and AC. If you want be good in it you must switch your ammo more often with blasters and rails. hi-tracking ammo and DPS ammo or long range ammo.
But if you want to fly gallente ships you want to have drones. Gallente are really good now with new drones DMG modules. So it must be combined blaster and drones. and gallente are the best for small gangs of coz
I can't wait for ancillary armor repair :) |

Tore Vest
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:24:00 -
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Hybrid buff is good for caldari.... Look at naga and rokh  No troll. |

Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:28:00 -
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My best guess: Gallente ships weren't popular for a long time, so most players who PvP are already trained up for different races. I'd expect to see more Gallente ships on that list as people cross train, and as newer players get better.
I've spent a lot of time on projectile weapons training for the Rifter so I'm not planning on jumping into an Incursus, but if I started again tomorrow I'd certainly consider it. |

White Tree
Concordiat The Aurora Shadow
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:33:00 -
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Always fly Gallente. Former member of CSM6, Champion of the Gallente Master Race. |

Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:34:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:This tells me no one flys them. Am I missing something? 200 man Drake Fleet kills 10 Abbadons with 120 guys getting on each mail. Drakes kill count goes up by 1200.
If a Megathron on a gate solo pwns a Hurricane, a Rupture and a Merlin the Megathrons count goes up by 3. Most Gallente ships are good on the small scale with a tackler or 2 on on a gate fight where everyone is within 10-20km Gallente become High Tracking Damage Dealers. Since they don't get the range of Missiles and Artillery / There ships are not really fleet bonused / They have mixed slot layouts that promote midslot Ewar over Tank Damage they are shoehorned into small scale conflicts for the most part.
Everyone with a small gang who goes toe to toe with a Gallente with proper tackle knows how deadly they are. |

Funky Lazers
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:35:00 -
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Peri Simone wrote:My best guess: Gallente ships weren't popular for a long time, so most players who PvP are already trained up for different races. I'd expect to see more Gallente ships on that list as people cross train, and as newer players get better.
I've spent a lot of time on projectile weapons training for the Rifter so I'm not planning on jumping into an Incursus, but if I started again tomorrow I'd certainly consider it.
Well, Hybrid buff was long time ago. People could have trained them if they wanted. I mean long enough to train Hybrids and Ships.
For example, my corp fits still use ACs on Laser boats and on ships like Domi, Myrm and others. |

Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:44:00 -
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Small Hybrids: The Frigate change have made them quite good. Medium Hybrids: Any reason to pick a Brutix over a Drake or a Hurricane? Large Hybrids: Pretty devastating on a Vindictor/Kronos/Megathron, I guess.
Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |

Kisumii
Bio-Tech Research Luna Sanguinem
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:57:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:This tells me no one flys them. Am I missing something? 200 man Drake Fleet kills 10 Abbadons in a fleet fight with about 120 guys getting on each mail. Drakes kill count goes up by around 1200. If a Megathron on a gate solo pwns a Hurricane, a Rupture and a Merlin the Megathrons count goes up by 3. Most Gallente ships are good on the small scale with a tackler or 2 on on a gate fight where everyone is within 10-20km. Gallente become High Tracking Damage Dealers in those instances. Gallete ships: Don't get the range of Missiles and Artillery / Are not really fleet bonused / Have mixed slot layouts that promote midslot Ewar over Tank Damage so they are shoehorned into small scale conflicts for the most part. Everyone with a small gang who goes toe to toe with a Gallente gang with proper tackle knows how deadly they are.
Nailed it, gallente ships seem to be used more for solo/small gang stuff. If someone said we going on a BC fleet can guarantee 80% will turn up in drakes or canes...
Shame I only fly gallente :(
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Planetmaster
Weekenders
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Posted - 2012.07.17 11:58:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Peri Simone wrote:My best guess: Gallente ships weren't popular for a long time, so most players who PvP are already trained up for different races. I'd expect to see more Gallente ships on that list as people cross train, and as newer players get better.
I've spent a lot of time on projectile weapons training for the Rifter so I'm not planning on jumping into an Incursus, but if I started again tomorrow I'd certainly consider it. Well, Hybrid buff was long time ago. People could have trained them if they wanted. I mean long enough to train Hybrids and Ships. For example, my corp fits still use ACs on Laser boats and on ships like Domi, Myrm and others.
Yes but you are talking about the hardest to play race in Eve online (and most skill intense). Thats why. Arazu(damp) for example is most complex and hardest to play ship in the game... Sooo much modules and you must be carreful about range, know everything about your targets.. its hard to play but deadly for others.
Proteus - Highest DPS cloaked nulli Talos - Awesome Lach / Arazu - Best LR tackers Ares - For me The best INT in game domi - utility ship can do everything in domi :) Ishtar - same as domi enyo/ishkur - yeah bad ass AFs Deimos - Its new Vaga :) Helios - can be tackler and tanker :) +drone ! Nemesis - some ppl fave
So as you it not so bad as it was. Im happy with recent changes in gallente tree ppl are not bitching anymore when im undocking with gal ship anymore :) |

Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:01:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Hey there! I've been told many times that Gallente and Hybrids are good now. Is it true? This tells me no one flys them. Am I missing something?
Why you say no one flys them? From that list:
#11 --> Light Neutron Blaster II #13 --> 425mm Rails II #16 --> Light Ion Blaster II #17 --> Neutron Blaster Cannon II #19 --> Heavy Neutron Blaster II
...all hybrid weapons.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |

Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:05:00 -
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Gallante are awesome. If you fly their ships you get as much free poutine and croissants as you can eat! The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |

Funky Lazers
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:06:00 -
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Shameless Avenger wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Hey there! I've been told many times that Gallente and Hybrids are good now. Is it true? This tells me no one flys them. Am I missing something? Why you say no one flys them? From that list: #11 --> Light Neutron Blaster II #13 --> 425mm Rails II #16 --> Light Ion Blaster II #17 --> Neutron Blaster Cannon II #19 --> Heavy Neutron Blaster II ...all hybrid weapons.
Yeah, 11, 13,16, 17 and 19. Why not 1, 2, 3, 4, 5?! Also it only means that Caldari use those weapons. I don't see gallente ships within 1-10 range. |

Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:14:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote: Yeah, 11, 13,16, 17 and 19. Why not 1, 2, 3, 4, 5?! Also it only means that Caldari use those weapons. I don't see gallente ships within 1-10 range.
Alara IonStorm wrote:200 man Drake Fleet kills 10 Abbadons in a fleet fight with about 120 guys getting on each mail. Drakes kill count goes up by around 1200. If a Megathron on a gate solo pwns a Hurricane, a Rupture and a Merlin the Megathrons count goes up by 3.
Alara IonStorm wrote:200 man Drake Fleet kills 10 Abbadons in a fleet fight with about 120 guys getting on each mail. Drakes kill count goes up by around 1200. If a Megathron on a gate solo pwns a Hurricane, a Rupture and a Merlin the Megathrons count goes up by 3.
Alara IonStorm wrote:200 man Drake Fleet kills 10 Abbadons in a fleet fight with about 120 guys getting on each mail. Drakes kill count goes up by around 1200. If a Megathron on a gate solo pwns a Hurricane, a Rupture and a Merlin the Megathrons count goes up by 3.
So you don't miss it this time.
The Numbers on that site are skewed!
In other words. NOT ACCURATE!!! |

Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:16:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote: Also it only means that Caldari use those weapons. I don't see gallente ships within 1-10 range.
It could also man that Gallente are only slowly catching up now. People used Winmatar and Drakes for far too long now.
Also, as said before, Gallente are not good for big fleet ops. No good snipers, not as cheap and effective as drakes and not as easy to fly as Lokis or Minmatar in general. The top alliances in that statistic are 0.0 alliances, currently in a big war, so you will probably mostly see fleet ships and weapons.
But Gallente have good ships and awesome DPS in their specialized roles.
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:16:00 -
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You can't stop the Rokh! Don't like spaceships sandbox? then this is not the game for you. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:17:00 -
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I can't talk about blasters at all, but i can give you information i've gathered through experience.
One can easily attack a pod in a cheap tripple 150mm incursus and tank the sentries for a second volley to kill it. I can't do that *reliably* in a rifter with 280mm Artillery.
Rails are pretty cool, you know.
Takes five seconds to switch from close to pretty far range ... ... and one doesn't have to wait aaaageeeesssss for the next volley, aka Artillery.
Now if you believe that this makes not much of a difference ...
Missing a shot with Artillery forces you to wait *several seconds* until you know if you missed *again*.
With Artillery, this is a huuuugeeeee timewaster, because you need to wait until the next volley to be able to tell if corrections (range, speed, vector) had a positive effect on your hit-chance.
There's more data to gather using high RoF weapons, compared to low RoF weapons.
Confused ?
TL;DR:
Every time my 1400s miss... i cry a little inside of me.
Rails can be pretty awesome...
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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:29:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: So you don't miss it this time.
The Numbers on that site are skewed! It is not 1200 Ships destroyed it is 10 Ships Destroyed counted as 1200 Kills.
In other words. NOT ACCURATE!!!
Do you sometimes ask yourself WHY that is?
Why are there are Drake blobs, but not Myrmidon blobs?
Look at the last Tournament ship lineup. Do you see many Gallente ships there? Those qualify as small gang, don't they? And while we're at it, how many drone boats are there? Again, why? Arena combat is practically designed for Gallente, isn't it?
Look, I'm not saying Gallente are good or bad. I'm just saying if you ARE going to tell someone that numbers are not accurate because of X, you also have to address why they're not accurate. In example above, you have to explain why that fleet is all Drakes and not Myrmidons, and then somehow figure a way to explain how that makes Myrmidon at least as good as a Drake for most applications in the game,
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DrSmegma
Smegma United Asgard Supplies and Logistics
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:30:00 -
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naga what |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:39:00 -
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lol omg your name ! *yuck* xD
N-üga or, as a group term, Naga.
Also: He stole your bike.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:39:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Do you sometimes ask yourself WHY that is?
Why are there are Drake blobs, but not Myrmidon blobs?
No, Drakes have greater Range and Drones are not fast enough to apply damage, Drakes Bonus is to resists that helps Logi, Myrms is to active tanks which works in the small scale.
I do not ask why there are no Myrmidon Blobs, I know the answer.
Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Look at the last Tournament ship lineup. Do you see many Gallente ships there? Those qualify as small gang, don't they? And while we're at it, how many drone boats are there? Again, why? Arena combat is practically designed for Gallente, isn't it?
There are lots of Gallente Combat Ships.
Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Look, I'm not saying Gallente are good or bad. I'm just saying if you ARE going to tell someone that numbers are not accurate because of X, you also have to address why they're not accurate. In example above, you have to explain why that fleet is all Drakes and not Myrmidons, and then somehow figure a way to explain how that makes Myrmidon at least as good as a Drake for most applications in the game,
Okay, put 2 Drakes up against 1 Mrymidon and see what happens to them.
Myrmidons are good at different things that don't yield as high EVE Kill Numbers. I.E Small Scale Warfare. |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
167
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:40:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: So you don't miss it this time.
The Numbers on that site are skewed! It is not 1200 Ships destroyed it is 10 Ships Destroyed counted as 1200 Kills.
In other words. NOT ACCURATE!!!
Do you sometimes ask yourself WHY that is? Why are there are Drake blobs, but not Myrmidon blobs? Look at the last Tournament ship lineup. Do you see many Gallente ships there? Those qualify as small gang, don't they? And while we're at it, how many drone boats are there? Again, why? Arena combat is practically designed for Gallente, isn't it? Look, I'm not saying Gallente are good or bad. I'm just saying if you ARE going to tell someone that numbers are not accurate because of X, you also have to address why they're not accurate. In example above, you have to explain why that fleet is all Drakes and not Myrmidons, and then somehow figure a way to explain how that makes Myrmidon at least as good as a Drake for most applications in the game,
Myrm will eat a Drake assuming it can catch it.
Otherwise the Myrm isn't as, has less range, does less damage AT less range and otherwise needs its drones to be fully operational. Yes, you can nano-fit it with arties or whatnot then you have a ghetto Hurricane that isn't as fast, does less damage and lacks neuts ......all with less thank than ....wait for it.....a Drake.
There are so many drake kills because of the CFC, why? Because you can have 8mil SP and fly it effectively. So they put every swinging **** they can find in a drake and tell them to go zerg. Because its cheap, it works, and the only counters to drake blobs are generally battleships, which means they are vulnerable to getting hot dropped to blap dreads and tracking titans.
Drakes are as well of course, but its a drake, they are a 1/3 of the cost of a Hellcat Baddon, and require a quarter of the skill to fly. |

Planetmaster
Weekenders
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:44:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: So you don't miss it this time.
The Numbers on that site are skewed! It is not 1200 Ships destroyed it is 10 Ships Destroyed counted as 1200 Kills.
In other words. NOT ACCURATE!!!
Do you sometimes ask yourself WHY that is? Why are there are Drake blobs, but not Myrmidon blobs? Look at the last Tournament ship lineup. Do you see many Gallente ships there? Those qualify as small gang, don't they? And while we're at it, how many drone boats are there? Again, why? Arena combat is practically designed for Gallente, isn't it? Look, I'm not saying Gallente are good or bad. I'm just saying if you ARE going to tell someone that numbers are not accurate because of X, you also have to address why they're not accurate. In example above, you have to explain why that fleet is all Drakes and not Myrmidons, and then somehow figure a way to explain how that makes Myrmidon at least as good as a Drake for most applications in the game,
Well you can see Vindicators in AT10, Proteus, enyos, iskurs, why we cant see more of them ? Maybe coz neuting range ? and Speed ? and AT is a laboratory situation its arena fight. The best ship for AT is Slepnir
Drake is one of the best ship in the game. so why not ? you can fit drake with PERMA MWD and its awesome you cant do that with myrmidon. Also Missiles are very different weapon system, and yeah Active tanking in Eve sucks CCP knows about that was discussed on FanFest as issue "They are working on that will be done soon (tm)" Myrmidon and Brutix bonus is just sucky, Imagine drake with shield boosting bonus... |

Kisumii
Bio-Tech Research Luna Sanguinem
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:47:00 -
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The bigger fleets are in null ofc so I would not want to take a droneboat in a area they could get smartbombed in 2 seconds |

Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:50:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote: Also it only means that Caldari use those weapons..
Duh! Rokh. :\
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |

Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:51:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: So you don't miss it this time.
The Numbers on that site are skewed! It is not 1200 Ships destroyed it is 10 Ships Destroyed counted as 1200 Kills.
In other words. NOT ACCURATE!!!
Do you sometimes ask yourself WHY that is? Why are there are Drake blobs, but not Myrmidon blobs? Look at the last Tournament ship lineup. Do you see many Gallente ships there? Those qualify as small gang, don't they? And while we're at it, how many drone boats are there? Again, why? Arena combat is practically designed for Gallente, isn't it? Look, I'm not saying Gallente are good or bad. I'm just saying if you ARE going to tell someone that numbers are not accurate because of X, you also have to address why they're not accurate. In example above, you have to explain why that fleet is all Drakes and not Myrmidons, and then somehow figure a way to explain how that makes Myrmidon at least as good as a Drake for most applications in the game,
There have been some match-winning Vindicators as well as Proteus's (Proteii?).
Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |

Shameless Avenger
263
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Posted - 2012.07.17 13:00:00 -
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OP is just trolling.
Trolls are on the loose today.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" ~ The Story of the Ninja |

Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.07.17 13:00:00 -
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Look let explain something about how accurate these EVE Kill lists are. I do RvB from time to time, the highest users of low scale conflict ships.
Blue Republic Ships and Weapons Used
Look at the top Frigate and Cruiser. What are they? Punisher and Maller...
They sit on the field doing less damage with a higher tank so what is the enemy FC saying. Primary is Alara IonStorm in the Thorax, burst down ******* Thorax. I am one of the top damage dealers most of the time because of it but I die first. Once there is only Mallers left on the field that is how you know which side lost. They sit there doing bottom barrel DPS while never getting shot being generally unhelpful.
If they were the only ships in fleet and a Thorax gang warps in they would be slaughtered, but since everyone who brings a helpful ship actually fights the battle they sit there and rack up mails. I flew one recently and it did exactly that, I felt useless.
But EVE Kill says they are the most dangerous ship. Must be true. |
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