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Renz Whiteheart	Posted - 2010.06.16 09:26:00 - [1] are Faction items you buy with LP's have literally worthless? I'm looking at making my Missioning Ship more effective by replacing the Armour Hardeners I have... yet, a faction hardener (Worth roughly 40 million isk according to local contracts) have exactly the same amount of resist bonus? Unless I'm going blind... what the hell? Can someone clear this up for me please Renz
Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.16 09:43:00 - [2] Main difference i believe between faction and t2 harderners is their fitting requirements, faction equipment doesn't use as much pg/CPU and capacitor.
Tub Chil	Posted - 2010.06.16 09:48:00 - [3] caldari navy invul 37% resists vs invul II's 30% imperial navy energized plating 22.5 % resist VS energized plating II 20% resist How are they same?
Jenny Cameron Caldari Ordo Eventus	Posted - 2010.06.16 09:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Tub Chil caldari navy invul 37% resists vs invul II's 30% imperial navy energized plating 22.5 % resist VS energized plating II 20% resist How are they same? I think he's going mad indeed!
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.16 09:55:00 - [5] yuppers. if its empire faction its worthless. if itsw pirate faction its better than T2. all faction should be better than T2 since their cost is so high, but faction < T2. go with T2 items when u can... is what I would say if this were still 2008-2009. now, if its not doing as much, send a bug report about it being out of line.. I ant find any bug report function through eve online s ite. its not readily available, but google eve online bug report and you will be able to get straight there. always always bug report something if its out of line with the rest of t he content in its group. the deluge of reports daily is the only way to make them fix nything, because that stops the reports from spamming them. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.16 10:01:00 - [6] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 yuppers. if its empire faction its worthless. if itsw pirate faction its better than T2. àand you posted this five minutes after people had shown why this wasn't exactly true. All faction stuff is better than T2 in some way. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.16 10:02:00 - [7] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 16/06/2010 10:06:44 Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 16/06/2010 10:02:32 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: 1Ekrid1 yuppers. if its empire faction its worthless. if itsw pirate faction its better than T2. àand you posted this five minutes after people had shown why this wasn't exactly true. All faction stuff is better than T2 in some way. and you posted this after not reading my post entirely lulz. btw about your sig, players need to be willing to fight for game balance and ship balance and module balance, or else they will lose it and desrve to I still love my navy slicer with gamma navy S. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.16 10:10:00 - [8] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 and you posted this after not reading my post entirely lulz. Nothing in your edited post changed what you said. Once again, you were just plain wrong about how things in the game works. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Kane Starkiller Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.16 10:30:00 - [9] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I still love my navy slicer with gamma navy S.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.16 10:42:00 - [10] Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 16/06/2010 10:42:23 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: 1Ekrid1 and you posted this after not reading my post entirely lulz. Nothing in your edited post changed what you said. Once again, you were just plain wrong about how things in the game works. yeah uh, then you missed how I said that was 2008-2009 and that things have changed a little since then so this module mustve gotten left behind. and btw I only added the alst sentence to my edited post. just be able to admit you didn't read it at least. -1 respect. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.16 10:50:00 - [11] Edited by: Tippia on 16/06/2010 10:52:07 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 yeah uh, then you missed how I said that was 2008-2009 and that things have changed a little since then so this module mustve gotten left behind. àwhich, like I said, doesn't change anything. Read the first answer in the thread. The one posted long before you answered (incorrectly) that faction < T2. The one that shows why you are wrong. The one that explains how it was not left behind. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Khors Amtek Inc	Posted - 2010.06.16 10:52:00 - [12] Oh no tippia, you are down 1 on respect! :o
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.16 10:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Khors Oh no tippia, you are down 1 on respect! :o Against Ekrid, I take that as a mark of honour and of actually knowing my stuff. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.16 11:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 16/06/2010 10:52:07 Originally by: 1Ekrid1 yeah uh, then you missed how I said that was 2008-2009 and that things have changed a little since then so this module mustve gotten left behind. àwhich, like I said, doesn't change anything. Read the first answer in the thread. The one posted long before you answered (incorrectly) that faction < T2. The one that shows why you are wrong. The one that explains how it was not left behind. I said in 2008-2009 that was more true, but now its less true and a module that is of the same setting as a T2 obviously got left behind in the buff patch. but you didnt read it so good on you for failing epically. There's 1, repeat 1, frigate in the T1 lineup designed to be a suicide tackler. the rest are for COMBAT. so don't tell me to tackle when I'm in a combat T1 frig. OR tell CCP to fix their mess.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.16 11:41:00 - [15] Originally by: 1Ekrid1 I said in 2008-2009 that was more true, but now its less true and a module that is of the same setting as a T2 obviously got left behind in the buff patch. àexcept, of course, that as everyone has pointed out: it hasn't been left behind. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Concubinia Scarlett	Posted - 2010.06.16 16:16:00 - [16] Faction stuff can be overheated for far longer before burning out. Even if the base stats were the same as T2, this alone would make it worthwhile for a lot of players.
Dodgy Past Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.06.16 22:23:00 - [17] Edited by: Dodgy Past on 16/06/2010 22:23:11 Potential benefits of Faction: Lower cap use. Better effects. Lower fitting ( PG or CPU ). Better for overheating. ------------ I can only think of 1 or 2 items that have a lower effect than T2, other than these all Faction items are better in some way or another. Also faction needs the skills for T1 items rather than T2, which can be a handy way of putting of Hull Upgrades V for a while when you're new for example. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2010.06.16 22:25:00 - [18] Oh my GOD this thread is a steaming pile... Google "Eve Fitting Tool" and look at literally every module in a catagory, that sounds hard but I bet it takes maybe two minutes total. Two minutes it what it takes to speak authoritatively on this matter.
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.06.16 22:55:00 - [19] Warning! attempt to derail thread But,but,, If you are searching for faction ammo for a dread, only empire faction with faction dread ammo is Minmatar! yelp! Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Soon Shin	Posted - 2010.06.17 02:34:00 - [20] Edited by: Soon Shin on 17/06/2010 02:34:15 Minmatar and Domination(Angel Cartel) Shield and Armor Hardeners, Missile Modules, and a few other stuff are teh suck. They have tech 1 stats with a slightly better fitting that are beaten by other factions. They have the best projectile weaponry modules(the only), Afterburners and Microwarpdrives, Target Painters and Tracking enchancers. Gallente and Shadow Serpentis have many similar items, but a number of the Gallente Navy Items are superior. They have the best hybrid weaponry modules(more powerful than caldari or dreads), arguably the best stasis web, Tracking Computer, Sensor Boosters, and Drone Mods. Amarr with Sanshas, Bloods, Khanid, and Ammatar are nearly all equal and the same. They have the best Laser Modules, Armor Modules, Energy Vampires and Neutralizers, and Smartbombs. Caldari and Dread Guristas are pretty much the same. They have the best Missile Modules and Shield modules.
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2010.06.17 08:36:00 - [21] Have you any idea why a raven is like a writing desk? ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.06.17 13:44:00 - [22] Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia on 17/06/2010 13:43:42 Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Have you any idea why a raven is like a writing desk? Because Poe wrote on both.

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