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Rodrigo Milani	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Natalie Caladan Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 18/06/2010 13:15:45 I guess you can start an internet shop that sells timecards? (no idea how they work though, I guess it's also with some code) Farm ISK -> buy timecards -> sell for IRL money in your webshop? Intersting idea but do u really think it could replace a real job? There is no space for eve and a real job, or at least not an hardcore eve playstyle, My job is EVE now... :), guess i've to replace it for now :(
Natalie Caladan Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:52:00 - [32] Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 18/06/2010 13:55:14 Originally by: Rodrigo Milani Intersting idea but do u really think it could replace a real job? There is no space for eve and a real job, or at least not an hardcore eve playstyle, My job is EVE now... :), guess i've to replace it for now :( I'm pretty sure there's lots of people who have 10+ acounts and use marcro miners to do just that. They just don't post it on the forums. CCP actually tolerates macro miners (I guess 75% of the Hulks and Mackinaws are in fact 23/7 botters - this is NOT a joke and being the case for years) so there's your chance to join the "big botting club". You can also buy big and rare ships with the macro miner money and sell them on your website for RL money. /sarcasm off
Lifelongnoob Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn Blood Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:08:00 - [33] the day ccp sanction isk farming as a rl career ill quit eve it wont be eve online then it will be chinese isk farming slave shop online
Rodrigo Milani	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:14:00 - [34] Originally by: Natalie Caladan Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 18/06/2010 13:55:14 Originally by: Rodrigo Milani Intersting idea but do u really think it could replace a real job? There is no space for eve and a real job, or at least not an hardcore eve playstyle, My job is EVE now... :), guess i've to replace it for now :( I'm pretty sure there's lots of people who have 10+ acounts and use marcro miners to do just that. They just don't post it on the forums. CCP actually tolerates macro miners (I guess 75% of the Hulks and Mackinaws are in fact 23/7 botters - this is NOT a joke and being the case for years) so there's your chance to join the "big botting club". You can also buy big and rare ships with the macro miner money and sell them on your website for RL money. /sarcasm off well but that's just an absurd way of making money, i asked for a fun, simple, linear way to earn them and agevolate us on doing them.(or a normal job would be better) If we have to live here why not accept this and further improve it? make it as a seriuos business, or it will be just a random game that will die in a near future. But instead if you make it a seriuos business it will attract more and more people, who cares about macroers if the price of everything goes low this will benefit all of us.
Asik Rova Gallente Manufact Co.	Posted - 2010.06.19 06:39:00 - [35] Eve would have been a REALLY good game if they did the RMT style gameplay, and ban scamming with RMT, like if you have ever played Entropia Universe, eve would have been a sh!t load more interesting.
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar Conflagration.	Posted - 2010.06.19 07:22:00 - [36] Good God NO
Sola Veritas Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.19 10:36:00 - [37] Originally by: Rodrigo Milani If we have to live here why not accept this and further improve it? make it as a seriuos business, or it will be just a random game that will die in a near future. But instead if you make it a seriuos business it will attract more and more people, who cares about macroers if the price of everything goes low this will benefit all of us. Because we don't have to live here. That's a choice. I would not want to live in EVE. I don't want to live in a country where democracy is a nonexistent deadend; where there is no such thing as accountability; where people can change identities at will; where backstabbing, betrayal, and political instability is not just normal, it's fun! Where war is waged "for the lulz" and most of the so-called "warriors" can't think past their ego-saturated cortexes. I wouldn't want to live in a country where there is no connection between ethics and intention, between virtue and action. Where 99% of "human" interactions are fake and completely non-physical. Where trust is rarer than Rutherfordium-258, and the markets are driven by egotistical maniacs who live in their parents' basement. Worst of all, everyone's immortal. No. Such a country, would be a ****hole, and I wouldn't want to move there. And I wouldn't want for such a place to be my full-time job. I'd rather work for BP. Live a life outside of EVE. Trust meùa day in the sun will make you so much happier than having a job "inside" Tranquility.
Rodrigo Milani	Posted - 2010.06.19 11:20:00 - [38] We can't do what we want to do when we want to do it, we are always forced to do something else :). This applies to RL & EVE. Isn't something wrong around here?
Alain Kinsella Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.19 11:30:00 - [39] Good Grief, not again... To the OP: NO. Never. And I'm not taking any SL-related suggestion seriously unless you supply your character name(s) inSL. Been an SL 'Resident' since June 2004. Seen the good, bad, and ugly - and dumped US $3,500 in it over an 18 month period [Land Market]. Anyone may eve-mail me for my extensive weblog posts on the subject (I post under my RL name). Eve is unique. It has ties to RL money, but in a way that only exchange ISK for game time, not for local RL currency. As Akita has mentioned, the market will tank overall, unless CCP does what LL did (cap the conversion rate). Even then the market will tank - bots exist in SL too, to get currency at a rate that does not even cover the electricity cost of running their computer! What no one has yet mentioned is that opening the ISK/RL$ connection also opens CCP up to lawsuits. Do you really want to see the alliance leaders trying to sue CCP for the loss of those titans in Y-2? It would be possible, and ironically, a couple of SL lawsuits are paving the way... Oh, and in before this thread ends up in OOPE.
Sola Veritas Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.19 11:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Rodrigo Milani We can't do what we want to do when we want to do it, we are always forced to do something else :). This applies to RL & EVE. Not at all. If you're smart enough, you can carve out your own life in such a way that you get to do what you enjoy. Part of the trap of the rat race is the belief that the rat race is the only race.
The Breadmaster	Posted - 2010.06.19 12:08:00 - [41] So CCP bans RMT'ers . RMT = real money trade? What if you were to trade Eve currency for WOW currency? Is that banable? I know a lot of people that enter MMO's via purchase of a character with real cash. Eve actually has support for this in the form of buy GTC for isk to purchase pilot or whatever. What CCP does to sell GTC has the same effect on the economics of EVE that a chineese sweat shop worker has on it. My crazy video-game-code-of-ethics tells me that no player should have an advantage based on the cash they want to throw at it. I think that maybe you should be out working if you need to buy plex with ISK.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.06.19 12:12:00 - [42] Originally by: The Breadmaster So CCP bans RMT'ers . RMT = real money trade? What if you were to trade Eve currency for WOW currency? Is that banable? Yes. Quote: I know a lot of people that enter MMO's via purchase of a character with real cash. Eve actually has support for this in the form of buy GTC for isk to purchase pilot or whatever. What CCP does to sell GTC has the same effect on the economics of EVE that a chineese sweat shop worker has on it. No, it isn't. GTCs have a limited ISK use per time, sweat shops want infinite ISK. Quote: My crazy video-game-code-of-ethics tells me that no player should have an advantage based on the cash they want to throw at it. I think that maybe you should be out working if you need to buy plex with ISK. You obviously fail at thinking, better leave that to people with talent in this. -------- All I want is a better mankind.
Rodrigo Milani	Posted - 2010.06.19 12:52:00 - [43] Melon Ice Cream is good.
Fuddan	Posted - 2010.06.20 05:15:00 - [44] Its a Job for me, reminds me of my old job "Mining" i sit day and day all day mining, at least 13 hours a day lol
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.06.20 05:31:00 - [45] Wont ever happen. Reasons are that CCP doesn't like competition. Legality...tax issues and you think the lag is bad now... -- "You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you." -John Wooden

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