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Snot Shot Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 12:18:00 - [1] With the claims by the NC that all ships lost in the 6NJ fight having been found ôfloating in space with no pilotsö, a few questions come to mind: 1.Is this a broken game mechanic or has a T20 ôincidentö occurred at this point? 2.If there has been no interference by CCP, such as spawning all the ships back, why would CCP allow the ships to stay in game this long and allow the speculation of their involvement to continue? 3.If itÆs a broken game mechanic that spawns entire fleets that died, how come this is the first time we have ever seen this happen? 4.If the ships are allowed to stay in game then why doesnÆt CCP spawn all of Playtex Legions Titans that were lost in the Y-2 fight? 5.Can CCP really expect to stick their heads in the sand and think this is going to go away? 6.With all the lag that happens in Jita along with the hundreds of ships that die their everyday, has anyone found the system a belt they spawn in after DT? Otherwise I figured 4-4 undock would be a goldmine every day!! c/d? Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!!
Greg DaimYo Caldari Biotronics Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.18 12:22:00 - [2] fish
Hidetsuga Caldari Secret Squirrel Readiness Group Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.06.18 12:23:00 - [3] SHall we feed this hungry troll? RAWR
Shamis Orzoz Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.18 12:51:00 - [4] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 18/06/2010 12:54:24 After y-2, we found about 20 capitals, dreads that we had lossmails for, floating in deep safe's in either y-2, or in the system they jumped out to before they died. I have no idea if this has actually happened again, but it definitely happened before, and we told the GM's all about it. Perhaps they never mentioned it to the devs, I dunno. I'm really starting to wonder if they have any devs capable of solving this problem. Maybe all the good devs are adding new content? Dominion was a pretty solid release...
Ayumi katama Minmatar Science Experts	Posted - 2010.06.18 12:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Snot Shot 1. Is this a broken game mechanic or has a T20 ôincidentö occurred at this point? broken game Originally by: Snot Shot 2. If there has been no interference by CCP, such as spawning all the ships back, why would CCP allow the ships to stay in game this long and allow the speculation of their involvement to continue? maybe cause they have no clue what happened and cba to read logs (waiting for tl:dr). Originally by: Snot Shot 3. If itÆs a broken game mechanic that spawns entire fleets that died, how come this is the first time we have ever seen this happen? Its not the first time something like this happened. If you dig enough you might notice similar incidents and reports of ppl board "ghost ships", repping them and keeping them in the past. This started with introduction of stuckless or what ever scripts name is even in empire like Jita (I found and boarded ghost ships more then few times) Originally by: Snot Shot 4. If the ships are allowed to stay in game then why doesnÆt CCP spawn all of Playtex Legions Titans that were lost in the Y-2 fight? cause reimbursement policies do not cover half of new conditions that occur in game these days. For example old policy was to not reimburse fleet battles, but when that rule was made servers kinda worked. today you get to show online for hours and hours after you log off, that kinda helps in losing stuff if you happen to be off in space. And CCPs Customer support dept refuses to update their rules to reflect new conditions. Originally by: Snot Shot 5. Can CCP really expect to stick their heads in the sand and think this is going to go away? Its their game and they are still making money on it. As long as number of subscribers keeps going up they will keep doing what they are doing, who gives a damn about few % of ppl (like 0.0 folks or FW ppl). On the plus side its too much effort to read all the logs etc to figure out what happened and should something be returned or not, much easier to ignore, it saves money :D Originally by: Snot Shot 6. With all the lag that happens in Jita along with the hundreds of ships that die their everyday, has anyone found the system a belt they spawn in after DT? Otherwise I figured 4-4 undock would be a goldmine every day!! you are looking at the wrong place, try emergency warp distance from Jita 4-4, thats where I accidentally stumbled on a navy raven half fitted with no armor and almost no hull few months ago.
Bismaru RELOADED Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:15:00 - [6] Currently there has been NO PROOF that they have been reimbursed,.. 1. CCP dont just reimburse by dropping titans randomly on gates,.. 2. Loot from titan kills IS STILL with the enemy,.. 3. CCP almost never reply to reimbursements that quick,.. So either Vuk has a very special friend in CCP or the more believable scenario he is trolling about how a GM gave his limited alliance special treatment which is still a bannable offence,.. Fortunately we wont have to wait long to find out, I doubt anyone would want to risk their job in CCP just so they can give bear hugs to Vuk,.. Besides that screenshot is different to the one on SHC, unless ofc the UI was changed on purpose,.. Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
Varesk Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED Currently there has been NO PROOF that they have been reimbursed,.. 2. Loot from titan kills IS STILL with the enemy,.. Loot will stay with whoever scoops it. The only things that are given back is what was destroyed and the hull.
Bismaru RELOADED Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Varesk Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED Currently there has been NO PROOF that they have been reimbursed,.. 2. Loot from titan kills IS STILL with the enemy,.. Loot will stay with whoever scoops it. The only things that are given back is what was destroyed and the hull. Well theres another inconsistency,.. According to the great PR, NC deliver not Originally by: Vuk Lau [.]only was the titan returned with enough fuel it was even setup to go for another round[.] So to add to my list,.. 4. CCP create DUPLICATE items or complex, faction, normal and officer,.. Story still sound believable?,.. Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
Vhaine Vhindiscar Caldari Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:40:00 - [9] Edited by: Vhaine Vhindiscar on 18/06/2010 13:42:40 Edited by: Vhaine Vhindiscar on 18/06/2010 13:40:51 I agree with the general premise of this topic. This is amateur hour crap. It can't be ignored. It's billions of currency units in a) 'ghost ships' b) insurance c) mods d) kms. If I'd found a way to intentionally do this for profit...I'd be banned by now. Cowboy up CCP and lets get some answers already. How does this entire debacle happen under your watch? This game gets soooo much horrible PR out in the world because every time you throw up a great eve feature the other guys come back with 'The games unplayable.' This is a PR nightmare. The titan incident showed up last night on the login screen. It's quickly becoming a conversation that even high sec carebears are noticing. Now it's filtering out into the gaming community at large. The fact that it's happened before and was allowed to get swept under the rug is unacceptable. Today it's NC getting their titans back because the game is unplayable and the code is so borked that crap just appears outta thin air after dt.. Great for NC, 100% sucks for everyone putting their hearts and souls into taking those ships outta the game. It's an unacceptable situation for every paying player who expects to login to this game and be governed by a set of rules that including "when buttons are pressed onlined modules do something" and "when thing explode they stay exploded." It's not an unreasonable request. It's the foundation of the entire game... Why are these basic rules apparently no longer in effect?
Metal Dude Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 18/06/2010 12:54:24 After y-2, we found about 20 capitals, dreads that we had lossmails for, floating in deep safe's in either y-2, or in the system they jumped out to before they died. I have no idea if this has actually happened again, but it definitely happened before, and we told the GM's all about it. Perhaps they never mentioned it to the devs, I dunno. I'm really starting to wonder if they have any devs capable of solving this problem. Maybe all the good devs are adding new content? Dominion was a pretty solid release... Funny how this only happens to PL and NC. It never happened to SC or anyone else. Maybe it's not a broken game, but a broken GM? The truth will set you free
JS LiamElms Gallente Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Snot Shot 4.If the ships are allowed to stay in game then why doesnÆt CCP spawn all of Playtex Legions Titans that were lost in the Y-2 fight? the titans nc lost were 'jumped out' and such, the server running slow had a ton of things to catch up on. these titans are found in the system they jumped too, so server after jumping them out puts them in there rightfull place. Now due to the mass of 'lag' in the source system, titans never left and got killed, however, as they were actually jumped out and black screened in target system, those routines still completed. now, from what i understand the tians PL lost were logged.... so the was no target system they jumped to, so no sever stacking up or backing up delaying. They lagged during logging or killed in time, when time is prob a little messed up anyway in awsome black screening. I was not in PL at this time, but from asking a few people was informed they were not jumped out. However i could have been informed wrong.
Jogyn Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 18/06/2010 12:54:24 After y-2, we found about 20 capitals, dreads that we had lossmails for, floating in deep safe's in either y-2, or in the system they jumped out to before they died. I have no idea if this has actually happened again, but it definitely happened before, and we told the GM's all about it. Perhaps they never mentioned it to the devs, I dunno. I'm really starting to wonder if they have any devs capable of solving this problem. Maybe all the good devs are adding new content? Dominion was a pretty solid release... I had forgotten about that. WTS triage fitted chimera in MN% / Fountain.
karttoon Amarr ElitistOps Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:33:00 - [13] Edited by: karttoon on 18/06/2010 14:34:05 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 18/06/2010 12:54:24 After y-2, we found about 20 capitals, dreads that we had lossmails for, floating in deep safe's in either y-2, or in the system they jumped out to before they died. I have no idea if this has actually happened again, but it definitely happened before, and we told the GM's all about it. Perhaps they never mentioned it to the devs, I dunno. I'm really starting to wonder if they have any devs capable of solving this problem. Maybe all the good devs are adding new content? Dominion was a pretty solid release... Some people petitioned the GMs because they received insurance ISK and retained the capital after it was killed in Y-2. From what I was told, they removed the capital, and left the insurance ISK (which was significant at the time since a lot of people had plat insurance). After that everyone else pretty much kept their mouth shut, so who knows if CCP checked for free ISK or capitals after that. The problem is most likely related to caching information causing conflicts when the TQ database is actually updated. I think they changed how they cache node actions for, or slightly prior to Dominion. If someone can figure it out you could probably dupe a ton of ****.
Lt Pizi Gallente Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:33:00 - [14] heavy heavy lagged servers and crossing server boundaries was the recipe for most dupes since UO but this ships have unique ID¦s to stop the system to create another clone so i cant see how this can happen D-R is recruiting
karttoon Amarr ElitistOps Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Lt Pizi heavy heavy lagged servers and crossing server boundaries was the recipe for most dupes since UO but this ships have unique ID¦s to stop the system to create another clone so i cant see how this can happen Dupe insurance payments. Dupe officer mods.
Faffywaffy Caldari The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.06.18 15:00:00 - [16] During the last NC vs. SC campaign I found about 30 NC ships floating mid-space in IPAY-2. The ships all had armor and hull damage and were half-fit.
Estios Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 15:01:00 - [17] The real question is why is point 6 in white text? So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.06.18 15:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Varesk Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED Currently there has been NO PROOF that they have been reimbursed,.. 2. Loot from titan kills IS STILL with the enemy,.. Loot will stay with whoever scoops it. The only things that are given back is what was destroyed and the hull. And how about the billions isk in insurance payout? I wouldn't mind a free billion either or more.
Interval Amarr DarkStar 1 Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.18 15:02:00 - [19] I think the problem is this. The jump process has multiple steps and it is not an atomic action. My guess is that this happened. 1.Jump command was queued. 2.Current ship state is cloned and placed at destination system under cloak. 3.Ship is removed from source system 4.User is placed in his ship on destination system. 5.Perform some sort of integrity check to make sure no duplicate ships exist. I think that between 2 and 3 the old ship gets killed and loot is generated for that ship, so by step 5 there is no inconsistency. The cloned ship stays cloaked in destination system waiting for a user to be put into it but because the user is not logged in it can't. When the server reboots cloak breaks and you have a floating ship sitting around.

CCP Navigator Minmatar C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:12:00 - [20] Thread locked. GM Grimmi has already made a post in this thread. More information will be made available when we have it. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Sephiroth CloneIIV Gallente Section 8 Industries Looney Toons.	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:13:00 - [21] They should change the whole logging off and logging in thing. Where your ship olny apears after you are finished loading the game, in general to prevent this gray issue in the future. Mabey just remove long time ships are hanging out in game when user quits/disconected, sure some abuse happens with logging off excessively to avoid fights, but this is a worse result of people dieing when they are not even playing. Signature removed for having inappropriate content. Zymurgist

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