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Boxless
Secure Space
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:58:00 -
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Today I was at work spacing-out when I somehow connected alliance strength/stability to eve ships(particularly ship defenses).
Shields: In a group of players the Shield amount is measured in on-hand disposable isk of the group or of the individuals of the group. The more isk, the more buffer the group has. The more income a group has, the higher it's shields regen. Shield resistance in this analogy is expressed with pilot skill. The higher the pilot skill, the slower the isk/shield is lost.
Armor: Armor in the group is infrastructure; assets that have been put into place, sovereignty, or programs that are on-going and provide utility to the members of the group. The assets when lost do not get restored without active effort:an armor repper if you will. The armor is not usually hit until after shields have failed, but bleed damage can occur.
Capacitor: Simply Morale. If your members are in high spirits and are avoiding negative propaganda, MWDs are on full speed. With low morale your active hardeners may lapse a few cycles, your reppers may be slow.
Hull: Group Member Loyalty. How many members does the group have that will stick around when the shields and armor are gone, and all you have going is that you haven't gone "pop" yet.
Weapons: The compositions available to the fleet and the tactics chosen to use with those compositions.
Any thoughts? How is your group fit?
-áFREE Iamien !!!!! |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
4189
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:06:00 -
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And they can be destroyed, sounds about right.
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Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:09:00 -
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It's fairly easy to describe -A- as a hull tanked dominix with no weapons. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2077
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:11:00 -
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Hench Tenet wrote:It's fairly easy to describe -A- as a hull tanked dominix with no weapons.
They had a civilian railgun they paid 500m for.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
152
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:11:00 -
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I agree the analogy is appropriate.
Which is what many don't understand: a frigate can destroy a super-cap.
Eve forums official anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA-áReal men tank hull. Fake women shield-tank Gallente. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2077
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:14:00 -
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Crunchie Attuxors wrote:I agree the analogy is appropriate.
Which is what many don't understand: a frigate can destroy a super-cap.
Actually, no, it really can't. It can't tackle a supercap, and downtime would kick in well before it was anywhere near dieing, assuming the super had no shield regen and was AFK.
A frigate can beat a battleship however.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:16:00 -
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Greetings
Have to give +1 to new thoughts that are well thought out and presented in an intelligent manner.
IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!" |
Charles Baker
Federal Mineral Acquisition
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:29:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:I agree the analogy is appropriate.
Which is what many don't understand: a frigate can destroy a super-cap. Actually, no, it really can't. It can't tackle a supercap, and downtime would kick in well before it was anywhere near dieing, assuming the super had no shield regen and was AFK. A frigate can beat a battleship however.
Give me 10,000 Rifters and pilots stupid enough to fly them and i will bring you a Titan KM. |
Boxless
Secure Space
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:31:00 -
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Charles Baker wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:I agree the analogy is appropriate.
Which is what many don't understand: a frigate can destroy a super-cap. Actually, no, it really can't. It can't tackle a supercap, and downtime would kick in well before it was anywhere near dieing, assuming the super had no shield regen and was AFK. A frigate can beat a battleship however. Give me 10,000 Rifters and pilots stupid enough to fly them and i will bring you a Titan KM.
Neut-tackle, best tackle.
-áFREE Iamien !!!!! |
Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce
Masters of Flying Objects
1154
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:41:00 -
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Boxless wrote:Today I was at work spacing-out when I somehow connected alliance strength/stability to eve ships.....
(snip)
Any thoughts?
Yeah. Your job- what do you do and how is it that you have so much time for such deep thoughts about eve?
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Boxless
Secure Space
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:47:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Boxless wrote:Today I was at work spacing-out when I somehow connected alliance strength/stability to eve ships.....
(snip)
Any thoughts? Yeah. Your job- what do you do and how is it that you have so much time for such deep thoughts about eve?
I'm an in-house programmer to a small company with only one person who understands what the hell I do, a co-owner that always remotes from home and is thankful I am there to filter small requests.
-áFREE Iamien !!!!! |
Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce
Masters of Flying Objects
1154
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:55:00 -
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Your job sounds awesome.
-.- |
Jett0
Surface Warfare
The 99 Percent
168
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:44:00 -
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Don't join what you can't afford to lose!
Occasionally plays sober |
Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:56:00 -
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Charles Baker wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:I agree the analogy is appropriate.
Which is what many don't understand: a frigate can destroy a super-cap. Actually, no, it really can't. It can't tackle a supercap, and downtime would kick in well before it was anywhere near dieing, assuming the super had no shield regen and was AFK. A frigate can beat a battleship however. Give me 10,000 Rifters and pilots stupid enough to fly them and i will bring you a Titan KM.
10,000 rifters I bet would alpha a Titan if they all fired at once. figure using typical rifter design... that is 30,000 autocannons and another 10,000 rockets. that is a lot of "Dakka"
Of course if the Titan had a smartbomb that would kill the node.
Back onto the main feed....
the comment though about one T1 frigate can kill the whole thing is right though, one well placed spy can bring down whole alliances, I think there has been more than one "Crowning Moment of Awesome" in which a mere handful of people have crumbled EVE empires from the inside.
EVE is like swimming on a beach in shark infested waters,-á There is however a catch...-á The EVE Beach you also have to wonder which fellow swimmer will try and eat you before the sharks. |
dkbjitawhore
Riftside Breach
4
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Posted - 2012.07.18 00:48:00 -
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Test would be a Passive tanked Drake with lots of regen. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
154
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Posted - 2012.07.18 07:48:00 -
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dkbjitawhore wrote:Test would be a Passive tanked Drake with lots of regen.
Goons are a Battle Badger: preying on the stupidity of epeen.
Eve forums official anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA-áReal men tank hull. Fake women shield-tank Gallente. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
154
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Posted - 2012.07.18 07:51:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Crunchie Attuxors wrote:I agree the analogy is appropriate.
Which is what many don't understand: a frigate can destroy a super-cap. Actually, no, it really can't. It can't tackle a supercap, and downtime would kick in well before it was anywhere near dieing, assuming the super had no shield regen and was AFK. A frigate can beat a battleship however.
I refer you to a number of posts above that do seem to understand the non-literal nature of the comment, and see that I meant that the very small can indeed bring down the very big.
It isn't easy.
But it has happened. Even to the goons. That is the beauty of eve.
Eve forums official anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pudOFG5X6uA-áReal men tank hull. Fake women shield-tank Gallente. |
Random Celestial
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.07.18 12:52:00 -
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Very apt analogy. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
947
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Posted - 2012.07.18 15:32:00 -
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New Analogy:
Corporations are like breakfast cereal.
Some are healthy, some are chocolatey, some are rainbows of fruit flavors.
New ones spring up all the time, but they're just variations of the same things.
The older original ones are usually the better ones.
None of them stay crispy in milk after a couple hours.
Discuss.
Here's your sign... |
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