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SaintSebastian
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:03:00 -
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THE MACHARIEL DOES NOT HAVE HIGH DPS. How hard is this to figure out? It is all about alpha with them.
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Katja Saitou
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:05:00 -
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You never fitted Autocannons on one I see?
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McRoll
Minmatar Heatseekers
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:05:00 -
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you bad troll you
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: SaintSebastian THE MACHARIEL DOES NOT HAVE HIGH DPS. How hard is this to figure out? It is all about alpha with them.
25% rof bonus, 5% damage per minny bs level, 7x 800 II¦s about 1200DPS how the **** is that not high dps for a battleship?
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Liam Loook
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:08:00 -
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Writing things in caps on the internetts always makes them true.
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Lucius Rex
Minmatar Rex Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lucius Rex on 19/06/2010 20:11:50 I love my machariel.
I have all t2 fitted. with 1400, ab, 3 sensor boosters... ... and if necessary an armor tank.
I do l4 missions with it.
Lucius Rex
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SaintSebastian
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:16:00 -
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For a MAX DPS fit machariel (not realistic for pvp) you cant get more that ~1000 dps out of it. You can get the same dps out of a typhoon or torp raven. Thanks for playing, but you are wrong.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: SaintSebastian For a MAX DPS fit machariel (not realistic for pvp) you cant get more that ~1000 dps out of it. You can get the same dps out of a typhoon or torp raven. Thanks for playing, but you are wrong.
Max DPS fit machariel easily deals over 1200 DPS, and they ARE PVP fit that way because you can shield tank them.
Thanks for playing, but you are an idiot. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Illwill Bill
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:21:00 -
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Not really a good troll, but 8/10 for getting people to bite that ferociously. Additionally, it really infuriates me, when people use some pointless rant about signatures as a sig. |
SaintSebastian
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:40:00 -
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For clarification, high dps means 1400+ dps. Any regular battleship can get 1200 dps. Also without implants or hardwirings, a machariel cannot produce more that 1200 dps even with all lvl 5 and with the stupid stacking penalty. I would love to see a fit that can produce more than 1200 dps without hardwirings.
A max dps typhoon more easily puts out 1400+ dps with all 5s and no hardwirings.
Nice try at the troll though :)
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Rook Ares
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: SaintSebastian For clarification, high dps means 1400+ dps. Any regular battleship can get 1200 dps. Also without implants or hardwirings, a machariel cannot produce more that 1200 dps even with all lvl 5 and with the stupid stacking penalty. I would love to see a fit that can produce more than 1200 dps without hardwirings.
A max dps typhoon more easily puts out 1400+ dps with all 5s and no hardwirings.
Nice try at the troll though :)
phoon is not as mobile and doesn't have as much drones.
Your Troll,
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: SaintSebastian For clarification, high dps means 1400+ dps. Any regular battleship can get 1200 dps. Also without implants or hardwirings, a machariel cannot produce more that 1200 dps even with all lvl 5 and with the stupid stacking penalty. I would love to see a fit that can produce more than 1200 dps without hardwirings.
A max dps typhoon more easily puts out 1400+ dps with all 5s and no hardwirings.
Nice try at the troll though :)
Quote: [Machariel, Seriously?] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Domination 100MN MicroWarpdrive Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L Ammatar Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Ogre II x4
1216 DPS.
And "high dps" doesn't mean 1400 DPS, pretty much all battleships will struggle to deal that much DPS without hardwirings. A max DPS megathron, without implants, deals 1252 with 7 neutrons and ogres. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Commander Tigre
Minmatar Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:46:00 -
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The typhoon has more drone bandwidth than the macherial... "We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, you're already dead." |
Rook Ares
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Tigre The typhoon has more drone bandwidth than the macherial...
Shhh...if the commentators say it, it must be true
Also 1 more mid slot
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valerydarcy
Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 20:58:00 -
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well, nevermind the argument.. whatever the case, machs have done pretty horribly in this tourny. _____
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.06.19 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: valerydarcy well, nevermind the argument.. whatever the case, machs have done pretty horribly in this tourny.
Yeah I was surprised, I thought they would do better. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.19 21:03:00 -
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ITT Eft warriors who probably cant afford Machs -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!! |
Daki Razarac
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Posted - 2010.06.19 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: SaintSebastian For clarification, high dps means 1400+ dps. Any regular battleship can get 1200 dps. Also without implants or hardwirings, a machariel cannot produce more that 1200 dps even with all lvl 5 and with the stupid stacking penalty. I would love to see a fit that can produce more than 1200 dps without hardwirings.
A max dps typhoon more easily puts out 1400+ dps with all 5s and no hardwirings.
Nice try at the troll though :)
you must be using officer mods
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Alexandria Shodaru
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Posted - 2010.06.20 04:46:00 -
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IÆve flown the Mach for half a year now, so I was really surprised at their poor showing and apparent lack of dps today. I plugged TeriannaÆs fit into a tracking graph, and I quickly realized the problem. The problem with the Mach is that the majority of pilots are closing to point-blank range. Against targets with a sig of 400 and trans of a mere 50 m/s, a Mach looses half its dps at 1000m. Against a Scimitar (Paisti vs Thunderstorm), the 65m sig absolutely kills the dps. A transversal of a mere 26m/s cuts a Machs dps to about 10% within 1900m (trans of 70m/s does the same at 5000m). With the majority of shots fired within 5000m and all the bumping itÆs real easy to see why 3 Machs could not kill a Scimitar.
A Mach deals about 10% damage at 500m to a Curse (150 sig) with a 20m/s trans. You need a trans of about 12m/s to hit for 75% at 1000m. Add in even a single TD from the Curse and it is pretty much game over.
I think a lot of pilots are using the Mach as an uber oversized Hurricane. They may not be making the transition from Medium ACÆs to 400 sig turrets (and the way you think when using Large turrets).
HereÆs the site I used. http://eve.gloome.org/turret_damage.php
TLDR û Do not use Large AC (and Blaster) turrets at Point-Blank range against sub-BC targets.
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XY Zed
Caldari Taarakian Bellator Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.20 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandria Shodaru -stuff- TLDR û Do not use Large AC (and Blaster) turrets at Point-Blank range against sub-BC targets.
Thanks for that. As an avid mach user I am confused as to why 3 machs aren't just facemelting everything. In the AT its hard to know what ranges everyone is at from everyone else. Anyways they need to forget getting optimal... that 1.02 damage boost in optimal isn't worth it in autos, 30-22km is the sweet spot for EVERYTHING.
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SecTrade
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Posted - 2010.06.20 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandria Shodaru I think a lot of pilots are using the Mach as an uber oversized Hurricane. They may not be making the transition from Medium ACÆs to 400 sig turrets (and the way you think when using Large turrets).
You'll be surprised at how many people use EFT and focus on DPS / Alpha numbers, and pay no attention to tracking / range variables. I've seen Vaga's with nothing but 10k of Hail.
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sue denim
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:02:00 -
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machs are awesome dps ships, but you can see how terribly they were flown in one the matches today, forgot who vs who but it was the long one were the ishtars won out, those machs were doing great damage, till their pilots decided to go like 10 meters away from their targets and you could tell the dps fell off. that was terrible piloting :|
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Conmen
Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: SaintSebastian For a MAX DPS fit machariel (not realistic for pvp) you cant get more that ~1000 dps out of it. You can get the same dps out of a typhoon or torp raven. Thanks for playing, but you are wrong.
You must be new to pvp
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Max Tux
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:50:00 -
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UBER max dps ( full officer fit with hardwirings) goes over 1700 DPS....
With tech 2 Gyro's, and 800MM AC (RF EMP), no hardwirings and 4 berserkers
1 gyro : 920 DPS 2 gyro : 1060 DPS 3 gyro : 1166 DPS
If you go faction Gyro's
1 gyro : 936 DPS 2 gyro : 1097 DPS 3 gyro : 1221 DPS
considering you have 7 lows,
>shield gank, you can go 3 gryo, 2 TE, Nano, DC2 >Armor buffer, 2 gryo, 2 IN ENAM, 2 1600mm, DC2
^ example fits not amazing btw, but armor tank still allows you to fit at least one damage mod.
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