I wonder if you can use the black ops bridge with, oh, lets say a crane. Logistics just got a lot sexier, awww yeah. Also, black ops work fine for what they were intended to do. Learn to work the mechanics.

First person in the thread to understand what blackops are for.

Hurf Blurf, I never once bridged into 319.

Blackops are for bridging bombers and covops around. Its their role. Combat is not.

lol
Is BE capable of a great efficinecy at it? Yes or No? Answer is obviously Yes.
So, remind me who does not know anothing about blops again
Just cos you suck at it, does not mean blops are crap

Ask yourself this question. Should all ships be expected to do as good as the others withing the same ship class? THATS IS NOT EVE and never has been! Why are other faction ships not used as much as others? Why are some carriers used more than others? Why are some supers used much more than others? Why some t3 crusers used more than others? Its all down to situations and tactics.

Also you should check out RK. They are good at fielding efficiently widows and getting nice kills. They are effectivly shown that widows can be used with different tactics.

Also i hav seen videos of solo panthers and you claim also to do well using panthers. Its all down to tactics and how you use them. They do not suck! It only means some are better than others in some situations.

Within the first 3 pages there is at least 5 people that have said that black ops do well atm. So is that means they are ALL trolls or do they happen to agree that they dont need a buff? Its not a troll, its a fact and the stats support it.

Check this out.
http://www.cyno.psych-corp.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=29294
I dont know exactly whats their strategy here thought. Maybe they know something we dont know or they simly have the balls to do it anyway. Well done by Suddenly Spaceships XD. I got to admit I love this alliance name

Counterpoints to a discussion will always be read as trolling in the minds of imbeciles.

Also don't forget this is just our long term plan for now, and things may change in the future. In all cases they are not forgotten, but will take time to get to.

Hope that helps!

Why not just do some basic number shuffling atleast on fuel bays and maybe a small bonus per level to reduce fuel usage more... its kinda nuts at this point atleast show them some short term love considering how negected they are, i mean no one expects a fix right now but a bandaid for the time being till you get around to T2 BS's would be cool.

Yitterbium...

So you're saying we'll see a T2 Abaddon/Maelstrom/Hyperion hull...

Now the sin is by many ways a good ship

It's funny that =AAA= is whining about the current standing of Black Ops when they have been the target of malicious black op strikes for the past 3 months.

Just saying....

a carrier or supers are capital class ships. I dont even know why you include these in this conversation cos they are a class way above black ops.

further, blackops is commonly know to be a class of ship used for jump and "snipe"(and i dont mean long rang).
Its a completely different approach to the game. Jump, snipe and jump out! They do this very very well. We got 4 years at least of data that proves it. Even the CSM for the most part agree with this as they clearly say they are good at what they do!

you cannot really compare frigate to capital or supers nor you can compare either of these with black ops. The way you wage war with them is completelly different. Even capitals, supers and blackops even when they can be cynoed in the mythology on how to use them is different. The reason is very simple. Its the only class of ship thats not capital and that can cyno in mass people even to a blocked system which is something capitals or supers cant be. This is a huge advantage believe it or not. If we buff these then why should anyone wanna fight with normal ships with other classes? It would be too easy to jump into a blocked system and kills without no loss. IT ALREADY IS THAT WAY, in many respects so why make it worst?
Have you not experienced what is like to be jumped by 6+ Black ops and recons and covert ships? Its terribly tought to deal with! Why make op more op?

CCP BO CSM Minuts:

"Finally on the Black Ops class, much to the joy of Trebor and Kelduum.

CCP Ytterbium quite bluntly stated GÇ£Black Ops are lameGÇ¥ and explained that they GÇ£try to do two things and fail at both.GÇ¥

Two step also added that their mass is anomalously high, and Aleks chimed in that the fuel consumption for bridging needed to be looked at as well.

http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf

-I have experinced many such BO fights with different techniques like the BE and Dirt Nap

-You claim CSM are no good at what they do, yet you quote them to support you "points" for buffs. Make up your mind please! You either support their decision and quote them or not support theur decision and not quote them. Dont be a hypocrite and tell me they are no good and at the same time quote them to support your views on black ops! Its terribly hypocritic from you.

-FYI you dont need logistic ships to use your blackops. Your remote repping drones will do that for you very well. 5 drones per black op ship is a lot of rep. You can also use your widow or blackbirds to jam and all the other EWARs to jam/disrupt enemy logies. Even AAA old allies Dirt Nap use this.

Yes the ability to jump a whole fleet into a cyno jammed system is a big advantage. I know it cos i have been there. It is very easy to jump, snipe and cloak for 4 minutes(capacitor recharge) and jump out. Many years of stats have show this to us and i have experienced it. I am not making it up and killboards from BE and many other factions prove it! I am not making this up as you claim by calling me a "troll".

I sincirelly dont know why you need to clarify to me what drakes are.

i meant falcon not blackbird. Yes that was my mistake.
its funny how you call everything I say a troll. I can do the same with all your points but I am not gonna lower myself to your level.
I bet you alliance with the "vast experince" or more directly "lack of experince" using black ops can say that black ops are bad.
Fact still is, AAA is not know for their effective use of black ops while others can. The ships are good, its only the pilots behind them that are bad! Build a bridge and get over it. Stop blaming the ship for your bad piloting skills
I am not the only one saying that black ops are good. Look in the whole thread and you will find many.

lol as if i care.
The fact is still fact the blackops are good at what they do and many well known entities have said so too in this thread and the CSM have said so too.
Enjoy that cookie
And yes AAA are not known for their black ops so you should be the last person to talk about black ops ... Laugh about that one too

CCP BO CSM Minuts:

"Finally on the Black Ops class, much to the joy of Trebor and Kelduum.

CCP Ytterbium quite bluntly stated GÇ£Black Ops are lameGÇ¥ and explained that they GÇ£try to do two things and fail at both.GÇ¥

http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf

if you would have read my posts, you would realise that I dont mind it doing what it is suppose to do. BUT when BO can do so well atm with freaking amazing kill ration, you have to realise its a problem.
My point is actually very simple. BOs have done bloody well for the last 4 years at least in the kill ratio department.
If we are to buff they jump range or other present functionality then we must nerf other areas of it. Otherwise its no longer a support ship . We already know that it is capable of tanking very well and unleshing dps (besides the Sin). Otherwise the whole package its too powerfull. The game is only gonna become even more based on jump technology! To me this is also wrong. Too many ship jumping too many and no actually going through gates. I mean e got jump bridges, we got titans and soon we will have an even better BOs jumping stuff in masses. Its too focused on jumping stuff in.

It is obvious I am not the only one that knows that BOs are very good. There is a lot of posts in this thread from other mayor alliances who agree that thy are very good atm.

what are you talking about bro? its not only me that has said this in this thread.
Its not hard at all to jump release remote repper drones spider tank and fire! Just cos you are too dumb to know how to operate BO effectively, it does not mean the rest dont get it. The above i posted is again related to how Burn Eden does it. And since you are well aware that noone atm does it better than BE at BO and they hav been doing it for like 4 years.

You can try and stirr it anyway you want from the truth but the fact is that BO are very powerfull. Just cos AAA does not know how to use them well, it does not mean BO suck. It just means AAA is not the best place for BO pilots!

With all your respect, I wont believe you have an alt in BE. The reason is simple. You whine too much man. You simply dont have the spine and therefore wouldnt last long before kicked. You simply wouldnt "fit" with the group.
And no, i havent upto date lost anything significant. Thank god for that.