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Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.06.22 21:18:00 - [1] As you are all aware CCP plan to execute lagg at 9am tomorrow, appeals were made but the execution will go ahead while this generally will remove a great evil from Eden it will sadly secure doors for a different evil Thats right Blob warfare will be so common in 0.0 except this time there will be no valiant warrior to stop it. I beg CCP to allow the lagg monster to live but be exiled to 0.0 only. Yours truly Musical Fist Defender of Lagg -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.22 21:22:00 - [2] Ehà no. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Nareg Maxence Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.22 21:24:00 - [3] One can wish... Honestly, with all the stuff that has been added, it looks as if the simulation engine is just stretched beyond it's limit. New yaaarrrdware unfortunately won't magically fix this.
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.06.22 22:29:00 - [4] Well I guess we will soon find out if 0.0 is stable, if it is it may not be a good thing ;) -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!!
Dzajic Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.06.22 22:46:00 - [5] I posted otherwise. I haven't been around at that time, but I see that Dominion changed a lot about sov and 0.0 stuff. The system upgrades for mining/ratting/whatever, plus the track of all sov units ticking and sov buster units... Of course it could have been some behind the scenes change in code that wrecked it all and above things don't have a major impact. One thing is certain, tomorrow is just a network upgrade, severs will remain the same, so lag improvements will be minimal if any.
Jurai Talar	Posted - 2010.06.22 22:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Musical Fist As you are all aware CCP plan to execute lagg at 9am tomorrow... At least there's one person who won't be disappointed tomorrow. Fear not, these "upgrades" will have minimal effect on gameplay since they are only setting up the framework for future performance-enhancing hardware upgrades.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.22 23:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Musical Fist As you are all aware CCP plan to execute lagg at 9am tomorrow [...] While I'm fairly optmistic overall about the server upgrade, it remains to be seen what effects it will have. Item DB \| Sigs
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.06.22 23:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Musical Fist As you are all aware CCP plan to execute lagg at 9am tomorrow [...] While I'm fairly optmistic overall about the server upgrade, it remains to be seen what effects it will have. Especially since CCP can't get rid of lag unless they plan on upgrading the entire internet infrastructure and connections of every subscriber all over the world.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.22 23:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Musical Fist As you are all aware CCP plan to execute lagg at 9am tomorrow [...] While I'm fairly optmistic overall about the server upgrade, it remains to be seen what effects it will have. Especially since CCP can't get rid of lag unless they plan on upgrading the entire internet infrastructure and connections of every subscriber all over the world. Wait - they are NOT doing that?! Item DB \| Sigs
Aristeia Cersei	Posted - 2010.06.23 00:01:00 - [10] I'm betting there will be a lot of disappointed people tomorrow at 1500 when the servers still aren't back online. That's a lot of work to do in 8 hours even if they have no major issues.

Batolemaeus Caldari Vauryndar Dalharil	Posted - 2010.06.23 00:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Breaker77 Especially since CCP can't get rid of lag unless they plan on upgrading the entire internet infrastructure and connections of every subscriber all over the world. Well guess what: Server performance isn't affected at all by one dude having shaky internet. It won't be affected at all by CCP moving their servers around either. It has to be battled on a software and game design level and CCP has been moving backwards on that front since Dominion.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.06.23 00:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Batolemaeus Originally by: Breaker77 Especially since CCP can't get rid of lag unless they plan on upgrading the entire internet infrastructure and connections of every subscriber all over the world. Well guess what: Server performance isn't affected at all by one dude having shaky internet. It won't be affected at all by CCP moving their servers around either. It has to be battled on a software and game design level and CCP has been moving backwards on that front since Dominion. While it is true that software and game design are crucial elements in the "lag war", hardware improvements are hardly of little consequence. Quote: Most of the traffic on the network in TQ is happening between the servers on the internal network. While the routers we use are quite powerful (Cisco 7600's with the RSP720 route processors), our internal switching needed a kick in the pants. With the move we are going to be adding about 800% capacity to our side to side network along with some really nice Cisco Distributed Forwarding Cards (DFC3) to the network blades themselves to help reduce the latency and reduce burden on the supervisor cards that run the switches. I have a feeling the software/game design changes you mention are probably what was being referred to later in the post as being discussed in upcoming dev blogs. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Dzajic Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.06.23 00:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Breaker77 Especially since CCP can't get rid of lag unless they plan on upgrading the entire internet infrastructure and connections of every subscriber all over the world. Irrelevant. "Lag" in EVE has almost nothing to do with /ping between client and TQ. That kind of lag might get you killed in CS:S, but its mostly irrelevant in EVE. Lag in EVE is node getting so overloading it starts delaying its responses to client(s) more and more until full collapse/node crash. Your request for sim update gets to server fast enough to not make difference. And servers reply message travel time would be same and negligible. BUT! Time it takes between server receives your request to the time it services it AND to the time the other parts of code get to transmit the reply to you. That is the critical loop and that is where the lag is.
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.06.23 01:37:00 - [14] I am actually going to contradict myself a bit here and hope to see alliances test my theory out of lagg dead Also I cant believe I forgot mass testing :( -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!!
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2010.06.23 03:33:00 - [15] I for one welcome our new thousands and thousands of overlords!
Messoroz	Posted - 2010.06.23 03:49:00 - [16] Edited by: Messoroz on 23/06/2010 03:49:03 Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Musical Fist As you are all aware CCP plan to execute lagg at 9am tomorrow [...] While I'm fairly optmistic overall about the server upgrade, it remains to be seen what effects it will have. Especially since CCP can't get rid of lag unless they plan on upgrading the entire internet infrastructure and connections of every subscriber all over the world. They should hook into the HARDON collider's network which was built from scratch and separate from the internet and spans a few continents to handle the petabytes of data it is going to be generating that would crash and burn the normal internet.
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.06.23 04:46:00 - [17] lagg was sitting in there base and saw a red dot in thier base! all of a sudden NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED! at first it seemed it was gone but a single drone survived. and the cluster was rebuilt
Libin Herobi	Posted - 2010.06.23 05:15:00 - [18] Edited by: Libin Herobi on 23/06/2010 05:18:49 Edited by: Libin Herobi on 23/06/2010 05:15:12 Originally by: Messoroz Edited by: Messoroz on 23/06/2010 03:49:03 Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Musical Fist As you are all aware CCP plan to execute lagg at 9am tomorrow [...] While I'm fairly optmistic overall about the server upgrade, it remains to be seen what effects it will have. Especially since CCP can't get rid of lag unless they plan on upgrading the entire internet infrastructure and connections of every subscriber all over the world. They should hook into the HARDON collider's network which was built from scratch and separate from the internet and spans a few continents to handle the petabytes of data it is going to be generating that would crash and burn the normal internet. Did you mean the Large Hadron Collider? I know it's great and how that can make you think about hardons. EDIT In before: I told you this couldn't affect lag even if someone's life was on the line.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.23 05:27:00 - [19] ^^Yeah, those hardon particles can fix anything. -------------------------------------- If you don't like my posts, then why waste your time commenting in them? --------------------------------------
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:35:00 - [20] Guess I was wrong, jumped into Jita, LAGG is insane much like 0.0 lagg when you jump into 10000000 people ah well -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!!

Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:40:00 - [21] -- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
Shiho Weitong Caldari Punken Dredophiles	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Taxesarebad lagg was sitting in there base and saw a red dot in thier base! all of a sudden NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED! at first it seemed it was gone but a single drone survived. and the cluster was rebuilt For that, I love you. Go zer... Erhm... LAG! ----------- Why is it called common sense, when it's clearly very rare. I had a mind once, but alas, I seem to have forgotten where I left it. Originally by: Tchell Dahhn You win, and thank you.


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