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Rythm
True Power Team Out of Sight.
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Posted - 2012.07.18 22:37:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Terje Teinturier wrote:So Chribba, Dotlan, and the first Alliance is PL. Don't you think maybe institutions like Eve University or RvB deserved this a little bit more? You are somewhat correct. Both of these groups are on our list for spotlights, however, we felt that Pandemic Legion are worthy of a spotlight in their own right, especially around Alliance Tournament time in which they have an amazing trackcheat record. corrected. |
Kaycerra
Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2012.07.18 23:24:00 -
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Really, I'm a bit sad to see this. The impression I was getting from the community spotlights was the contributions of members who have worked within the rules, to help the game, and foster a better community, featuring some of the most prominent do gooders.
And then, you shame them, and the entire project, by putting up Pandemic Legion, a group renowned for violating game rules (Inserting code, bypassing local, etc), a group known for prettymuch trying to cheat, or bend the rules to get the upper hand, including not using game-intended resources, to get their way.
Do PL have some really good pilots?
Sure
Are they good at combat when they have a massive highly expensive fleet present?
Sure
Do they get paid a ton of isk to help big name alliances out?
Sure
And yet, I fail to see the merit in those points, the points of which were highlighted in the community spotlight, making up for the blatant damages they have done to the community over the years. Yet, somehow, I suppose we should have all seen this coming, given that CCP can't seem to get the older grandfathered-in employees to stop creating bias by playing characters in major alliances.
Big thumbs down on this one, CCP. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
510
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Posted - 2012.07.19 01:14:00 -
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Just as an aside, why are we supposed to be going "bully-bully!" for some generic nullblobbers when there are a lot of people in this community infinitely more deserving, whose impact is genuinely lasting?
I really don't see what yet another wannabe-goon nullsec alliance really means/matters in the long run.
To name just a few (sorry, I'm purely awful at remembering names--besides the ones credited below know who they are) whom, on the other hand, do matter in the long run:
The creator of EFT -- arguably the most important and useful EVE-app ever. Also, the creators of EVE-Mon, EVE HQ, Pyfa, and EVE-Central.
The creator/designer of the original Tornado, a ship that is arguably becoming iconic.
The creators of the Talos and Oracle (IIRC, they also "placed" in the design-contest?), and if memory serves, the Naga, as well?
St. Mio (I believe it's her/him?), for this -- http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/ -- no-one who is even halfway serious about exploration leaves dock without that open in the IGB.
DeMichael Crimson -- creator of the Faction Standing Repair Plan from before all level 1 agents always being available to those with nuked standings, and probably no-one knows more about PvE in general that's still playing (as far as I know, anyway).
What has PL created, that has lasting impact?
Yeah, I thought so. In irae, veritas. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.07.19 02:18:00 -
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Wouldnt have been my first choice but i can see why CCP picked them, after all they are one of the most recognisable null sec groups, goonswarm being the other, plus winning the AT three years on the trot is a very significant achievement regardless of how it was accomplished.
I think CCP has demonstrated with the choices so far how broadly the net is being thrown when it comes to looking at potentials for this, I mean lets look at what theyve chosen so far.
1. Chribba - the most well known player bar none, in fact I challenge you to find anyone with even the most cursory knowledge of EvEs history who doesnt know who Chribba is and what hes provided for the community. This one was a no brainer and pretty much the only choice for the very first one.
2. DOTLAN - ranks alongside EFT and Evemon as one of eves most useful third party tools. I think they had to do one of the three early on and for whatever reason they chose DOTLAN. Having said that I have no doubt they'll get to the others down the line, theyre just too useful to be left out.
3. Pandemic Legion - one of the most well known and certainly one of the most succesful null sec entities, they could have picked goons but I think theyre as tired of the DEVswarm tinfoil bullshit as the rest of us (dont kid yourself that it wouldnt have come up if they had picked goonswarm) and they could have chosen BoB but i guess they prefered someone who still exists.
It also shows that they arent just looking at application writers and community personalities, that just being damn good at what you do in game for a very long time can also get a mention. |
Elektrea
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.19 04:21:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:What has PL created, that has lasting impact, especially a lasting positive impact on the whole community and/or game?
From the top.
LRhacs AFKposgeddons Sniper Dreads (plus 5 regional dread fleets) Gun Titans (Shamis was the first in the defense of Fountain to bring a combat fit titan on the field supported by carriers/dreads, soon picked up by IT) Bombers (Gobbins was the first person to successfully bomb with 7 dudes in delve war 2, pick up by vee who was there) ahacs (zealot and t3 variation) Hellcats (we made popular and better fitting) Firewall (Init ran the first firewall but we actually put it to good use with muninns/machs/abaddons) Tengus (we were the first to show they are better drakes) Slowcats Shieldcats
I'm sure I can find a lot more, but the tl:dr of this is pretty much every 0.0 fleet comp you saw in the past 2 years was made popular/better from us. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
831
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Posted - 2012.07.19 05:27:00 -
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Kaycerra wrote:Really, I'm a bit sad to see this. The impression I was getting from the community spotlights was the contributions of members who have worked within the rules, to help the game, and foster a better community, featuring some of the most prominent do gooders.
And then, you shame them, and the entire project, by putting up Pandemic Legion, a group renowned for violating game rules (Inserting code, bypassing local, etc), a group known for prettymuch trying to cheat, or bend the rules to get the upper hand, including not using game-intended resources, to get their way.
I assume you have any proof at all for any of these accusation? LIke actual proof right?
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:What has PL created, that has lasting impact, especially a lasting positive impact on the whole community and/or game?
As Elektrea said, most working fleet comps short of alpha fleet have been in someway shape or form taken from us, the current use of supercaps and their roles was in part developed off models that we use.
The outright usage of logistics ships in combat was developed first and foremost by us when we realized how crappy we were with RR BS and how we kept accidentally shooting each other when we wanted to rep.
I mean it may not seem like much to you but dictating the shape and pace of combat for an entire game for 3-4 years straight now is an achievement by any standards. |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.19 05:44:00 -
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People can bash on PL as much as they like, hell I would myself under normal circumstances.
Back when I started in 09 PL were THE force to be reckoned with. I recall great battles fought against pl`s sniper zealots.
They are there for a reason.
~ oh i mean TEST pets boooo, you guys are going down this alliance tourney rabble rabble.... "Were not elitists, were just tired of fail" - The Sorn |
Ron Bacardi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.19 06:47:00 -
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Kaycerra wrote: Pointless drivel
Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get yours in 4 or 5 years. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
466
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Posted - 2012.07.19 06:58:00 -
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Houm, interesting... PL is one of those names being thrown away each few posts but I didn't know until now who they were exactly nor why their name was being used so much. "We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
256
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Posted - 2012.07.19 07:12:00 -
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Cathrine Kenchov wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Interesting 1300 members is considered a medium sized corp. What is a large corp? Pl is the 28th largest alliance currently. All the top 10 largest alliances have over 2500 members. So, by Nullsec standard, they are a medium sized entity
OK I'' accept that answer... I bet the mediansized corp though is less then 50 An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
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Nig C
Project Stealth Squad Initiative Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2012.07.19 07:35:00 -
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Dear CCP Phantom,
I like your Community Spotlight's! So I have an other character for your list.
His name is Chruker and his page http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/ is worth to visit, not only by manufactor's.
And don'f forget the whole team at EVE - Development Network. In my opinion the best wiki for 3rd Party-Tool Developer's.
regards, Nig C |
Karim alRashid
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.19 08:44:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote: As Elektrea said, most working fleet comps short of alpha fleet have been in someway shape or form taken from us, the current use of supercaps and their roles was in part developed off models that we use.
It has nothing to do with PL spy network, right? Right?
Quote: The outright usage of logistics ships in combat was developed first and foremost by us when we realized how crappy we were with RR BS and how we kept accidentally shooting each other when we wanted to rep.
Did you use logistics in your team at AT VI?
-A- introduced logistics in big fleet fights and POS takedowns around January-March 2009, after AT VI, if my memory serves me right.
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R0ot
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.19 09:14:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Grath Telkin wrote: As Elektrea said, most working fleet comps short of alpha fleet have been in someway shape or form taken from us, the current use of supercaps and their roles was in part developed off models that we use.
It has nothing to do with PL spy network, right? Right?
Correct we only use that to collect the tears our fits reap. |
R0ze
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
6
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Posted - 2012.07.19 09:56:00 -
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Kaycerra wrote:And yet, I fail to see the merit in those points.. You fail to see the essence of this game - being cold, ruthless .. where pod pilots bend the rules by eating drugs and planting chips in their brains squeezing every last bit out of their space vessels.
It's what makes it attractive and CCP delivers.
Seing posts/reactions like yours means also PL (part of) has achieved their goal too .. Sphere works! |
pussnheels
463
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Posted - 2012.07.19 10:20:00 -
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just out of pure reputation PL deserved to be in the spotlight, no matter if you like them or not , they have a reputation and are involved in how EVE is shaped and they are very good at what they do
wel deserved and congrats on PL and hope to hear from them for many years to come I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Jogyn
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.19 11:03:00 -
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Great thread m8s )))
Also dont forget us being one of the driving factors in 90% of all the eve wars in the last 5 years.
Oh, and more or less leading every single major Coalition war. Delve 2, Atlas wipe out, Max 2, Both AAA sov removals, Killing NC etc etc.
Gf gf, xoxo |
lusifaka
Asian Interstellar development bank
0
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Posted - 2012.07.19 11:34:00 -
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Hi CCP Developer I didn't find place to give my suggestions, so I am write here . Actually, new player always want to use Battle ship ASAP. New player think big ship is strong ship, it is not right, But new player donGÇÖt know, They donGÇÖt know whatGÇÖs safe because they are first play EVE. Most new player leaving EVE because they were lost 1st CS or BS. So my suggestion 1 Can you add a new mission for new play when they have CS or BS skill 1? This special mission will give new player a CS or BS, and go to a special space, this space have some different small ships. And they can use different speed and distance and E-war to attack new player ship until ship be killed. Actually I think teaching new player big ship still easy killed by small ship. I want new player can feel when they lost 1st BS. I want to have more friends love and live in EVE. Suggestion 2 Can you add number setting in LP transfer? Every LP change item need click 1time now , it is troublesome when I need many items change.
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Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.19 11:40:00 -
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lusifaka wrote:Hi CCP Developer I didn't find place to give my suggestions, so I am write here . Actually, new player always want to use Battle ship ASAP. New player think big ship is strong ship, it is not right, But new player donGÇÖt know, They donGÇÖt know whatGÇÖs safe because they are first play EVE. Most new player leaving EVE because they were lost 1st CS or BS. So my suggestion 1 Can you add a new mission for new play when they have CS or BS skill 1? This special mission will give new player a CS or BS, and go to a special space, this space have some different small ships. And they can use different speed and distance and E-war to attack new player ship until ship be killed. Actually I think teaching new player big ship still easy killed by small ship. I want new player can feel when they lost 1st BS. I want to have more friends love and live in EVE. Suggestion 2 Can you add number setting in LP transfer? Every LP change item need click 1time now , it is troublesome when I need many items change.
Despite the hilarious broken English and it being out of place, those are actually valid points :) |
Freezehunter
209
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Posted - 2012.07.19 11:56:00 -
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ClusterFuck Coalition best Coalition. Goonswarm Federation best Federation. Pandemic Legion best Legion. Test Alliance best Alliance.
Everyone knows this. Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
lusifaka
Asian Interstellar development bank
0
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Posted - 2012.07.19 12:36:00 -
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Cass Lie wrote:lusifaka wrote:Hi CCP Developer I didn't find place to give my suggestions, so I am write here . Actually, new player always want to use Battle ship ASAP. New player think big ship is strong ship, it is not right, But new player donGÇÖt know, They donGÇÖt know whatGÇÖs safe because they are first play EVE. Most new player leaving EVE because they were lost 1st CS or BS. So my suggestion 1 Can you add a new mission for new play when they have CS or BS skill 1? This special mission will give new player a CS or BS, and go to a special space, this space have some different small ships. And they can use different speed and distance and E-war to attack new player ship until ship be killed. Actually I think teaching new player big ship still easy killed by small ship. I want new player can feel when they lost 1st BS. I want to have more friends love and live in EVE. Suggestion 2 Can you add number setting in LP transfer? Every LP change item need click 1time now , it is troublesome when I need many items change.
Despite the hilarious broken English and it being out of place, those are actually valid points :)
o/ maybe your chinese not better than my english. I just want to speak some suggestions. |
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Batelle
French Defence Union
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Posted - 2012.07.19 13:25:00 -
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funny, I dislike this blog post for being bad, but so many others are whining simply because its a 0.0 pvp entity. Many posters in this thread are showing some laughable ignorance in their criticisms. I doubt they'd be posting such things if the spotlight wasn't such a puff piece devoid of information.
+1 for doing a spotlight on St. Mio The Golem - The "Meh" of Marauders |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
949
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Posted - 2012.07.19 13:46:00 -
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Much butthurt this thread has.
Props to PL.
Good, bad or otherwise, once can't deny they've had an impact on Eve. Here's your sign... |
Selnix
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:26:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:The outright usage of logistics ships in combat was developed first and foremost by us when we realized how crappy we were with RR BS and how we kept accidentally shooting each other when we wanted to rep.
Did you use logistics in your team at AT VI? -A- introduced logistics in big fleet fights and POS takedowns around January-March 2009, after AT VI, if my memory serves me right.
To be honest, you are halfway correct there in saying that Grath was wrong. PL had incorporated Scimis into the LRHAC fleets all the way back in 2007 or so. We didn't use logis in POS shoots until the latter half of 2008 when we were purging all of BoB/BoB pet dyspro & prom moons with fleets of 10-20 geddons and my special snowflake laz0rhype. |
Karim alRashid
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:35:00 -
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I don't remember much LRHACs in 2007, more nano-hacs. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
514
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Posted - 2012.07.19 20:26:00 -
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Elektrea wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:What has PL created, that has lasting impact, especially a lasting positive impact on the whole community and/or game? From the top. LRhacs AFKposgeddons Sniper Dreads (plus 5 regional dread fleets) Gun Titans (Shamis was the first in the defense of Fountain to bring a combat fit titan on the field supported by carriers/dreads, soon picked up by IT) Bombers (Gobbins was the first person to successfully bomb with 7 dudes in delve war 2, pick up by vee who was there) ahacs (zealot and t3 variation) Hellcats (we made popular and better fitting) Firewall (Init ran the first firewall but we actually put it to good use with muninns/machs/abaddons) Tengus (we were the first to show they are better drakes) Slowcats Shieldcats I'm sure I can find a lot more, but the tl:dr of this is pretty much every 0.0 fleet comp you saw in the past 2 years was made popular/better from us.
Yeah, I'm sure they were the first ones to plate-up Abaddons and sniper-fit dreads, among all the other tactics/comps you list, that they were also the first to do...Christ.
You forgot to mention hacking the client so your pilot wouldn't show in local by the way, if memory serves.
More to the point, though:
How does this matter to the other 60-odd per cent of the player base who couldn't give two ***** about sov nullsec, and wants nothing to do with the grating ego ****-parade out there?
Hate to **** on your finely-honed delusions of importance, love, but most of the community really doesn't care.
Next!
In irae, veritas. |
jiantsquidz
I N E X T R E M I S Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.07.19 21:07:00 -
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I cant understand the negativity to PL beeing in the spotlights, since i play eve i heard of PL doing any kind of impact to players. If ur in an corp/alliance in 0.0 and u get other alliances fighting u its fun and good fleets, if PL is against u you know ur toast. Everyone in eve knows PL despite "false" accusations made against them for their quality in pvp both sub caps and massive capfleets. Most alliances use PL fleetfits because they just work.
Hi five for PL they deserved it. Formaly Lt Banaan/Runwithit |
Jack bubu
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
345
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Posted - 2012.07.19 21:11:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Elektrea wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:What has PL created, that has lasting impact, especially a lasting positive impact on the whole community and/or game? From the top. LRhacs AFKposgeddons Sniper Dreads (plus 5 regional dread fleets) Gun Titans (Shamis was the first in the defense of Fountain to bring a combat fit titan on the field supported by carriers/dreads, soon picked up by IT) Bombers (Gobbins was the first person to successfully bomb with 7 dudes in delve war 2, pick up by vee who was there) ahacs (zealot and t3 variation) Hellcats (we made popular and better fitting) Firewall (Init ran the first firewall but we actually put it to good use with muninns/machs/abaddons) Tengus (we were the first to show they are better drakes) Slowcats Shieldcats I'm sure I can find a lot more, but the tl:dr of this is pretty much every 0.0 fleet comp you saw in the past 2 years was made popular/better from us. Yeah, I'm sure they were the first ones to plate-up Abaddons and sniper-fit dreads, among all the other tactics/comps you list, that they were also the first to do...Christ. You forgot to mention hacking the client so your pilot wouldn't show in local by the way, if memory serves. More to the point, though: How does this matter to the other 60-odd per cent of the player base who couldn't give two ***** about sov nullsec, and wants nothing to do with the grating ego ****-parade out there? Hate to **** on your finely-honed delusions of importance, love, but most of the community really doesn't care. Next!
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Kaycerra
Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn
1
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Posted - 2012.07.20 05:09:00 -
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Ron Bacardi wrote:Kaycerra wrote: Pointless drivel Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get yours in 4 or 5 years.
I don't care about 'getting mine'.
What seperates the two of us, is that I openly admit that I haven't made any significant contribution to the community. You, on the other hand, go on the forums to troll, and make it out like you've ever really added anything more than a couple tongue in cheek jabs to eve. |
Velonad Tyldamere
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.20 05:59:00 -
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Bring out the popcorn. |
Elektrea
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:05:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure they were the first ones to plate-up Abaddons and sniper-fit dreads, among all the other tactics/comps you list, that they were also the first to do...Christ.
Well yes we were the first ones to use sniper dreads. Everyone at the time were still using close range dreads till we dropped on and completely wrecked record breaking amounts of capitals while taking minimal losses. Then people quickly switched to sniper dreads for the rest of the year. Sounds familiar? Yeah thats the cycle of almost every PL ship type we bring out.
Hey I even found a video for you :Youtube
I figured it might be easier for you to comprehend. |
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