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iTANKconcord
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:26:00 -
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Okay so here is the situation.
I am currently mining on an island (a group of systems in higsec only accessible by traveling through low sec)
If anyone has ever mined on an island they know the belts are rich and the market buy orders are depressing.
I personally take in about 2-3 million m3 in ore a day, and i get sell orders for my trit anywhere from 1.80 to 2.20, which is horrible compared to the 2.50 i see all the time in empire space.
My goal is to move across all my minerals to empire space (two lowsec jumps).
I have these options
1 Hire someone to do it (yeah right)
2 Get in an Itty V and spend the entire day hauling a mere 49k m3
3 Get in an obelisk and get my friends to escort me across (ECM support from those camps?)
4 Get in a jump Freighter (of which the game mechanics I honestly do not completely understand yet)
5 Get in an ibis and do some real hauling
From my understanding here is the problems with each senerio
1 Im way too greedy and untrusting to have someone haul about 200-300m in minerals a day and have to pay them
2 Im way too greedy to sit there every day hauling across lowsec with only about 50k m3, that would take me all day to haul my ore. Plus the big possibility of being ganked
3 Billion $ price tag, Ide probably have to pay my friends and I could still very easily get ganked if my friends couldnt defeat the attackers.
4 5 billion $ price tag, Ive brain stormed all the options and this is what ive come up with so far.
JF cannot jump into highsec, but they can jump into .4 and bellow space.
JF suffer a 10 min shoot me penality
When your cyno is placed, everyone in system can see where it is and jump to it and wait for you to come through.
I guess my real question is exploring the possibility of the following scenario;
I know that you are always supposed to place cynos within docking range of a station but not too close coz youll get bumped off.
Does that mean you can immediately dock if you are in docking range?
And also, what if i came though the last gate to empire space on my curse and dropped a cyno 2KM from the gate?
Could i jump to it and quickly use the gate to jump into empire space?
I am to assume my best option would be the freighter with paying my friends to escort me though. There is about 25-50% profit possibility to be had, and that on about a bill worth of minerals....
Money is not a problem. i pull in about 200-300m a day.
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Ludacrys
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:29:00 -
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why dont you build stuff in there and then haul that?
like large guns
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Dimdamm
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Dimdamm on 23/06/2010 21:35:52
Two options :
-If thre is only a few jumps and you can get get a few ecm ship and scout, use a freighter.
-If you can't, use a jf, cyno at station, and warp to the gate to high sec.
Don't cyno on a gate, or you will enjoy the gate-bumping.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:37:00 -
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Maybe living in the Molden Heath island just isn't for you.
Which translates to: If you can't figure out a purpose for your minerals, then maybe you should do something other than mining. Maybe. I like to buy underpriced items.
 Originally by: CCP Shadow
If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
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iTANKconcord
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:37:00 -
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thats a good idea, I am not really speced into manufacturing at all currently.
If someone could give me an example of the difference in lets say cargo of 1m worth of minerals vs cargo in 1m worth of Item X, and the necessary steps to make production of Item X feasible, i would really appreciate it.
It is my understanding currently that T2 manufacturing overheads have suffered a larger hit then raw mineral production overheads.
Overheads being profit margins.
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Ludacrys
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:46:00 -
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well just from the top of my head a 425mm Railgun I is what? 20-25m3
and uses around 1300m3 of minerals so you are looking at a huge volume reduction.
The problem is you need to haul in the minerals you dont mine yourself like zydrine and megacyte, but its not a terribly huge ammount
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Amrumm
Rhetorical Devices
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:51:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mineral_Compression
For a jump freighter the trick is to find a lowsec system bordering on highsec with a station with a huge docking radius. Place the cyno at the station, jump in and either dock up or warp to the highsec gate.
If money is no objection, you might consider setting up a carrier/dreadnaught production chain in lowsec (hauling could still be a ***** depending on how quiet your system is, but using mineral compression the minerals for a carrier compress down to 30-40k or so).
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israus
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:53:00 -
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Money is not a problem. i pull in about 200-300m a day.
only way your gonna do that is wth 5-6 alts going 7-8 hours a day. also to point out if you are pulling in that much ore a day 2-3 mil m3 your going to need 8-9 jump freighter jumps a day to get it out. which after a very short time any half decent pirate corp will see the pattern and start camps.
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iTANKconcord
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: iTANKconcord on 23/06/2010 21:56:41
@Ludacrys
i see. thank you for expanding my toddler level comprehension of the manufacturing processes.
Time to go look up crap about the benefits of POS manufacturing and BPO's and BPC's and all that other crap ive neglected looking at for the past couple of years.
@Amrumm
money is no problem, skills are.
;) and those 2 lowsec jumps have at least one gate camp on them at all times.
@israus
1 mill m3 of ore translates into about 250k m3 in minerals, which i would be hauling. so a freighter trip every other day about.
but yes the same goes for the patterns with the pirate corps in the low sec systems, there are about 4 of them that i am aware of.
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israus
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: israus on 23/06/2010 22:02:15
Originally by: iTANKconcord
Edited by: iTANKconcord on 23/06/2010 21:58:51
@israus
1 mill m3 of ore translates into about 250k m3 in minerals, which i would be hauling. so a freighter trip every other day about.
but yes the same goes for the patterns with the pirate corps in the low sec systems, there are about 4 of them that i am aware of.
and i only have 4 alts going about 6 hours a day all in hulks.
no you need to go read about jump frieghters mate there capacity is about 300k m3 so if your mining 2-3 mil m3 of ore a day your going to be making between 2-3 jump freighters trips with minerals a day. assuming your figures are roughly right :)
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iTANKconcord
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:04:00 -
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i was talking an obelisk being escorted with about 1m m3 in cargo mate.
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israus
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: iTANKconcord
i was talking an obelisk being escorted with about 1m m3 in cargo mate.
well thats where the confusion lies you reply to my post about your idea for jump freighters with a post about normal freighters. :)
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Nguyen Jinjer
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:30:00 -
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how about using the minerals to build a freighter or jump freighter and then using the freighter of JF to ferry the minerals out? then sell the freighter/JF too. bit of a production, but definitely doable. |
iTANKconcord
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:37:00 -
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exactly what i was looking at
from my understanding, total costs of making an obelisk
"Trit - 93,564,584
Pye - 12,394,909
Mex - 4,614,094
Iso - 669,704
Nocx - 197,479
Zyd - 30,956
Meg - 11,057"
I can use my own minerals for most of that, and the remaining hurtles are manufacturing time (i think its around 8 days) getting BPC's or BPO's
total cost for minerals to obelisk is like 100-200m.
800m profit and 300m profit from transported minerals.
I still haven't found out anything about the benefits of POS production.
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Frank d'Fairy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:46:00 -
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Why the "yeah right," by hire someone? Contracts can be great if you know how to price them and i'm not just talking about scamming. I don't mine on an island, but I do contract a lot of stuff and it tends to move as quickly as I need it to (24hrs for smallish and safish routs, 48-72hrs for risky business).
If you're serious about hauling yourself, good luck to you. I wouldn't bother with it considering the kind of ore you're mining, but to each his own. As I said, there are a lot of people out there who are willing to haul (in freighters, with their own scouts and escorts) for pennies. You should definitely check out the listed contracts at your intended empire destination and see for yourself.
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iTANKconcord
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:56:00 -
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@ Frank d'Fairy
Thanks for the input.
If hauling large amounts of my minerals is possible for me to achieve, i would very much like to expand my playing areas. Instead of just being at the bottom of the ladder and mining mindlessly for 6 hours a day.
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Malevolent Miko
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Malevolent Miko on 24/06/2010 15:33:20
As the title says i have a level 80 druid resto specced nearly full epic and a level 74 hunter on the same account on server: chamber of aspects EU
I would like either an eve char, post what you have or eve isk, make offers
thanks
P.S if you want to talk then you can catch me in eve online on malevolent miko or send aan evemail
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Unity Love
Caldari
Dissonance Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:16:00 -
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Fantastically against the EULAs of both games.
Good job there.
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