After watching the alliance tournaments and mulling over the buffed blaster set up of the Gallente ships, I wonder if the Vindicator really is the most powerful subcap ship in the game right now.

After watching the alliance tournaments and mulling over the buffed blaster set up of the Gallente ships, I wonder if the Vindicator really is the most powerful subcap ship in the game right now.

I can't think of another ship that would equal it outside a Kronos (which sucks in regular PvP) in terms of raw DPS, anyone have a thought?

I can't think of another ship that would equal it outside a Kronos (which sucks in regular PvP) in terms of raw DPS, anyone have a thought?

Vindicator is pretty awesome, the big mitigating factor being the cost.

Cost is not a balance factor. See: Titans/Caps in general.

I'm pretty sure this has been stated on the forums like a gazillion times, but once more can't hurt:

Alliance Tournament does NOT in any way represent regular pvp. Trying most of those fits and fleet compositions on live would end... well, not so very well :p

Wasn't there a guy I while back who just owned in a Vindicator? He made youtube videos of himself solowtfpwning like 4+ BS's at once on losec gates...

If I can track them down I'll link them.

The vindi is great, but only really shines in situations like highsec wars where mobility isn't as key and facemelting DPS is even more important.

Wut? That web bonus is almost the only reason to use a Vindi. There are other much cheaper ways to approach the same level of DPS.

-Liang

I was referring to the mobility of the vindicator itself (i.e. being able to apply those 90% webs). In highsec, you see more close range engagements. Obviously the 90% web is very important, but I was referring more to the fact that in highsec it's going to be far easier/more likely for the vindi to be in/get in web range.

In low/null, I would prioritize a rapier/huginn/loki over something with a 90% web. In highsec, since a good portion of engagements are on station, a vindi can really become a top priority both for the web and the fact that it's already in range to apply DPS.

I won't presume to speak for the blobsville that is null sec, but the Vindi is more than mobile enough for low sec small gang engagements.

-Liang

I didn't say it was bad; it's an all around great ship (and viable for lowsec if you have the cash). I'm just saying that its #1 spot where it REALLY shines and melts faces left and right is highsec.

After watching the alliance tournaments and mulling over the buffed blaster set up of the Gallente ships, I wonder if the Vindicator really is the most powerful subcap ship in the game right now.

I can't think of another ship that would equal it outside a Kronos (which sucks in regular PvP) in terms of raw DPS, anyone have a thought?

Gets close in price, not sure about other stats, but a selection of very hurtful drones to taste.

[Dominix Navy Issue, Infernavy]
[a terrible idea]
raw stats (cold, unboosted and drug-free)

1723 dps
101K EHP
1177 hp/s

Sell plexes, plug in some hardwires, eat pills, have a Tengu, evoke fear on your nearest trade hub undock.

All hail ~Elite PVP~

If you want to look at it that way, it's pretty spectacular in WH space too. You're pretty well guaranteed that people are gonna show up at 5km from you.

TBH, not really.
Serious WH fights tend to be calculated based on how much your T3s can handle and if you throw no resist, massive sig BSs into that mix, youre just going to lose them when the enemy sneezes at them.
That isnt even counting any BS getting instapopped by dreads if theyre on field.

I'll take your word on that, but I spent 2 years in WH space and never saw a massive T3/Dread blob. But I did see countless times when a Vindi would have been The Ship To Have. Maybe it's a matter of scale and it would be a bad idea in the C5/C6 wars.

-Liang

This is why you always see tons of t3's in the large scale wh battlereports. Sometimes you will see a Vindi or Kronos, but you usually see triage carriers ect with them. You'd be surprised how fast things die when lokis and tracking dreads show up on grid.

Heh, I'm more than willing to learn if you'll take a max skill armor triage niddy pilot. :)

-Liang

if youre serious about running triage in a WH you need to cross train to archon.
(recovering thanny pilot here, been clean 5 months or so.)

God that's awful

You can slap (dual) ancil on anything, including the vindi if you so wish, and it'll be waaaaay better than that domi
Plus drone as major portion of dps is suck for PvP